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Top 10 Distortion & Overdrive Pedals Of All Time - (Agree or disagree?) 

Rob Chapman
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Let's rank the top 10 distortion/overdrive pedals of all time, why not - what else have you got to do?!
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@crappyfellow
@crappyfellow Месяц назад
I own a NOTAKLON from JHS. It's the best sounding overdrive pedal that I've ever owned and that's saying a lot. I'm 72 years old and started buying pedals in the 1960's. You guys should get one of these gems. You won't regret it.
@RobChappers
@RobChappers Месяц назад
Well it would be crazy of me to ignore the advice of someone with this much experience so I shall definitely try and check one out :-)
@capitanvonchickenpants8492
@capitanvonchickenpants8492 Месяц назад
Mine arrived today!!
@newgunguy4176
@newgunguy4176 Месяц назад
*notacentaur
@ekuzy
@ekuzy Месяц назад
Mine should be shipped in two weeks time!
@cuda426hemi
@cuda426hemi 26 дней назад
Of course at 72 I finger you can't hear over 6-7k Hz anyway so..... I kid, BUT Get your best cans and go online and take the test - mouseclick by mouseclick one Hz at a time; you'll be shocked is all I will say. I'm 70 and multitrack every day playing all instruments, can still speed pick n pluck and dreading the day I can't. Good on you, too. I heard a really good Klon clone is the Tumnus but I have my eye on Notaklon and even the Ghost kit from Stew Mac is intriguing. I'm Gibson SG guy (Tony Iommi Monkey is my latest SG) I'm wondering what guitar you are distorting or Notakloning..... 🎸
@HereticMonalith666
@HereticMonalith666 Месяц назад
Excellent video as always and amazing playing. Surprised not to see a RAT, JHS Morning Glory or Fulltone OCD in there but I guess there so many hundreds of drive pedals in the world. Thanks Rob
@Jonathan-L
@Jonathan-L Месяц назад
I too, expected the RAT.
@fingolfen01
@fingolfen01 Месяц назад
Thanks for the shout out on the Dimetrodon!!!!! :D The rest of the list is solid as well - though there are a couple I haven't tried yet!
@seancollins3106
@seancollins3106 Месяц назад
I love that you included an OG tube screamer, and 3 boss pedals (albeit, waza, but still)!! too many people forget that old school gear is still really good.
@gergemall
@gergemall 26 дней назад
St Louie Missouri l love the Blues driver pedal .
@dastardlydave1455
@dastardlydave1455 Месяц назад
Great list Rob!! You showed me the Mr Black Thunderhawk when I met you during the bus tour in Cleveland. I'm suprised it didn't make your list. Cheers!!
@sarniaguitarguy9405
@sarniaguitarguy9405 Месяц назад
I've had the MT-2w and the DSL 40 for 5 years now, both from the videos I watched of your recommendations. No regrets at all. Still practice with both.
@erickubica9998
@erickubica9998 Месяц назад
Great Video! I’m really liking the Revv G3 right now
@florisvanlingen
@florisvanlingen Месяц назад
The Boss Super Overdrive SD-1 should be on here just based on how great it sounds with most Marshall style amps(JCM800, SLP etc.).
@jerryhorton5708
@jerryhorton5708 Месяц назад
Nice selection here, Rob. Being more of a low gain guy myself, I was enamored of the Gritador (again. Like every time I hear it). Love Browne Amplification stuff. And the BD-2W is an astounding pedal.
@Gitfiddle
@Gitfiddle 10 дней назад
What a great video. Some new ideas and some old standards. Thank you for not simply picking the usual suspects. Great recording too. Sounded excellent
@Jacobus-or6vf
@Jacobus-or6vf Месяц назад
NICE one Rob. Much Appreciated. IF time allows, a Top 10 REVERB unit would be great. Cheers
@daemondsconcero
@daemondsconcero Месяц назад
Hey Rob, awesome looking guitar, best one of yours I’ve seen!
@steveweilhart2359
@steveweilhart2359 22 дня назад
very entertaining as always with the Chappers love the Chapman Tele style GTR beautiful sounding my favorite pedal on my board now is the Abasi Pathos
@fatseaturtle
@fatseaturtle Месяц назад
The Automatone looked CRAZY! My first OD pedal was a Klon clone and then a King of Kings. Lovely Top 10.
@deckert618
@deckert618 Месяц назад
My 'end of the world' never gonna get another pedal is Boss BD-2. I just can't quit it. :)
@Mr.Steve-O
@Mr.Steve-O Месяц назад
💯
@matijabo
@matijabo 27 дней назад
true!
@robertdonosobuchner3129
@robertdonosobuchner3129 Месяц назад
I think you can make another 100 videos about drive pedals... There are so many wonderful pedals all around the world. The most important thing is, that you find the one that makes you really happy. And after a while you will find the next incredible drive pedal that don't let you sleep....
@Idontlikethisever
@Idontlikethisever Месяц назад
The gritador spoke straight to my heart :)
@dvaoa2910
@dvaoa2910 Месяц назад
The Savage for the win. And good to see the MZ getting some love...whoever discovered that putting it through the loop is a game changer was a boni fide genius. My under the radar contender...EHX's take on the TS with the East River Drive. Also, the MXR Sugar Drive, the Blammo Blues Blaster and finally, for girthy metallic majesty, the Empress Heavy.
@aj45045
@aj45045 Месяц назад
From your list I have some pedals or clones of some as Tubescreamer and Bluesdriver. Ones that I'd like to have are Red Rox and Savage, that's the tone I aim for. My list of drive pedals that would make on my top 10 list (the ones that I've owned or tried): 1. Friedman BE-OD 2. Ramble FX Marvel Drive 3. Wampler Plextortion 4. J. Rocket Animal 5. Suhr Riot 6. Xotic BB Preamp 7. Lovepedal Purple Plexi 8. Hermida Zendrive 9. MI Audio Crunch Box 10. Mad Professor Sweet Honey Honorable Mentions: Fulltone OCD v1.3 Caline Mark 4 Digitech Bad Monkey Digitech Screamin' Blues
@chrisdee5032
@chrisdee5032 Месяц назад
I'm Irish but i lived in Trowbridge for a while about 20 years ago! I remember buying a Marshall amp from a music shop but i don't remember the name of it. I think it was near the post office and there was an old vinyl record store and a fishing tackle shop on the opposite side of the street. There was also a club round the corner called the Psychic Pig! Man that place was awesone lol!
@DreidMusicalX
@DreidMusicalX Месяц назад
I liked that Badcat. I need to get one now. Thanks for helping me spend more money. I have a lot of distortion pedals and later swang over to more of just OD pedals and one that stays on my board is under $50.00US. Its crazy good sounding and doesn't color your tone and just boosts that bottom end and tightens it up from being flubby. Caline Capt Silver CP-76. It has a TS9 and 808 switch and the TS9 is where my pedal lives.
@mattroach5382
@mattroach5382 Месяц назад
Here's my favorite. Klon KTR into a high wattage Black-face Fender with 6x 6L6 tubes (180 watts) and 12 inch speakers. Not because it's perfect, but because of it's unique marriage of perfections and imperfections. When I stand in front of that specific pedal /amp rig and play, it sparks a wonderful creativity. I started with a Timmy, then went to a Soul Food, then was lucky enough to get a demo and then buy a KTR. I've used the same one amplifier for the last 12 years, found it in a small guitar shop in rough shape for $500, slowly put money into restoring the wiring, tubes ect., and I truly love it. Six 6L6 tubes, and 180 watts. Stays clean even at volume 10. A true masterpiece, and with pedals even better. I hope everyone out there finds their favorite pedal and amp
@guilletjean-jacques5107
@guilletjean-jacques5107 Месяц назад
pour ma part j ai acheté la Warm audio centavo qui etait tres bonne , puis j ai renvoyé et acheté la marshall blues braker qui etait pas mal mais je l ais renvoyée , et j ai finallement commandé une Decibelclics Golden Horse , qui est juste exeptionnelle , a present je cherche une pedale de distortion , j hesite a acheter la Marshall guvnor .
@johnmundt7834
@johnmundt7834 Месяц назад
Pretty solid list, drive is such a personal taste but lots of great ones in there
@mortonwilson795
@mortonwilson795 9 дней назад
Fun stuff - some there I hadn't come across. Paul Crowther's Hot Cake or Double Hot Cake also well worth a look - been using them since the mid '70s, still my 'go to' in the studio.
@nohillforahighstepper
@nohillforahighstepper Месяц назад
I'm currently running a Fulltone OCD, Nobles OD1, Keeley Nobles Driver and a Walrus 385. I can get a wide variety of OD and distortion tones by stacking those in different configurations. I took the 808 off my board this winter and put it in my showcase. Maybe it will make my grandkids rich...lol. I'm considering replacing the OCD with a Wazacraft Blues Driver...
@gigaha
@gigaha Месяц назад
Never heard of Gallows - thanks for the tip! Enjoyed your list. My favorite for recording is the 1981.
@gigaha
@gigaha Месяц назад
Just an update: I was able to track down a Gallows, and the reverb is surprisingly good. The drive section is crunchy, but I was hoping it would get fuzzier on the Brazen setting.
@glennjoslyn385
@glennjoslyn385 Месяц назад
Great Video.. However.. If you've never tried the Friedman Dirty Shirley Overdrive Pedal.. You're missing the Boat! Give it a Go! Thanks, Glenn from Colorado
@erik.liebenberg
@erik.liebenberg 12 дней назад
Would love to see a podcast style episode with you and Rabea talking about your years gigging together and stories of the road.
@eb7912
@eb7912 Месяц назад
The sd1 from boss is also wonderful. Greetings from France 🙌
@damasterkarej
@damasterkarej Месяц назад
I have Marshall DSL. I love the sound. That's why I use only and exclusively TC Spark. Just cookin' dat tubes, man.
@RobChappers
@RobChappers Месяц назад
Koocindatubes
@andydalton4463
@andydalton4463 Месяц назад
Sick t-shirt and album to match :)
@clarissaanaferreirasieiro2127
@clarissaanaferreirasieiro2127 Месяц назад
I love the Boss DS1 my first ever gain pedal , i just got the Boss OD3 definitely a pedal that i will ever get rid off , sounds amazimg
@Jonathan-ih7qp
@Jonathan-ih7qp Месяц назад
As I was watching I was wondering if you were going to include one of the Snake Oil Pedals, and in my opinion you may have sold yourself short a little bit with only an honorable mention. I currently own about 425 boost/OD/distortion/fuzz pedals and The Very Thing is seriously one of my favorite ones.
@GoCreateSomething
@GoCreateSomething 21 день назад
Love the green box and the Metal Zone. Have you never tried a Friedman BE-OD? Gain for days with a trim pot inside if you want it to be kinder and gentler. Plus it literally has a knob labeled 'tight' so you can excise the flubby bottom end. Or leave it in. Suit yourself. When I was trying it, my choices were it or the Soldano pedal. Both sounded good but the BE-OD is the one that got the prom date.
@filtermat
@filtermat Месяц назад
Ok Boss Ds-1w and Blues Driver, I would have considered also Revv G3, Soldano Slo, Nobels Odr-1, J rockett The Dude, Ehx Glove and Walrus Fundamental Drive
@sajisguitar
@sajisguitar Месяц назад
I wondered why you didn't mention Snake oil Very thing, and here you are! You didn't disappoint!!!!😃😁
@fendafred
@fendafred Месяц назад
I might try out a Browne Gritador or a Gallows in the morning drive (I dig the embedded reverb). There are lots of drive pedals out there but the Way Huge Saucy Box is also worth trying as it stacks very well in front of any drive pedal and sounds good whatever the amp (even my Fender '57 Pro Amp and its 15" speaker). Benson preamp is a great always on pedal to turn your clean amp into Marshall and Tonecity King of Blues is a bargain that works very well with the Benson. T-Rex Mudhoney II is also great if you need two shades of distortion in a compact pedal.
@mikehutton3937
@mikehutton3937 10 дней назад
Admittedly I'm an eviolinist, but the best distortion pedals I've tried (and I've tried a few) are the Source Audio Soundblox Pro Classic Distortion and Multi-Wave Distortion pedals. Not cheap, and I do understand people have had bias against digital, but they're super adaptable, with built-in EQ, and presets! Wouldn't go anywhere without one or the other.
@heavybrett-al4082
@heavybrett-al4082 Месяц назад
😂 I've got a tiny addiction for distortion pedals, I love them all...but so many times I always end back on the Boss mt2 (my head is always in the zone)
@5hane_
@5hane_ Месяц назад
The Wampler Euphoria has to go in here for me. Works everywhere on any amp
@jea783
@jea783 Месяц назад
Very interesting and useful. However as a Canadian, i was surprised that there is no mention of REVV pedals .
@stockholm1752
@stockholm1752 Месяц назад
Paul Cochrane Timmy, Boss SD-1, RAT, Marshall ShredMaster, TC E Dark Matter,… The list goes on and on, and on. So many good ones. A Top 10 List can only be decided by personal preference and experience.
@reverendg5937
@reverendg5937 26 дней назад
Where is the Rat Pedal? No list at all. SMFH
@LordoftheSnakes
@LordoftheSnakes Месяц назад
Personal choices are great, but would love to compare ones you love and ones you hate. Would be interesting to hear ( and can you hear that on phone speakers)
@andrewpappas9311
@andrewpappas9311 Месяц назад
Definitely happy to see the DS-1 and BD-2 on here, the DS-1 alongside my Boss OD-1X were my first two guitar pedals (I got those simultaneously) and are still some of my absolute favourites and not to mention it’s an absolute classic pedal used by everyone from Kurt Cobain, John Frusciante, Peter Steele, Dave Navarro, Joe Satriani and numerous other people and a friend of mine has a BD-2 that she uses as her primary drive pedal and absolutely swears by it saying it’s the best gain pedal she’s ever played and her favourite pedal in general. Definitely some of the GOATs of guitar pedals, Boss stuff is always built like an absolute tank and I still love it.
@MSNGR415
@MSNGR415 Месяц назад
First pedal mod I ever did back in 99 was named the red rock. Only I painted it red and threw a bunch of sand grain in the paint to make it feel like a rock.
@hailmaryrecordings8255
@hailmaryrecordings8255 Месяц назад
I bought a Boss/JHS Angry Driver & just couldn’t vibe with the Blues Driver side of the pedal, but the Angry Charlie side was great. I sold it because it just collected-dust & use an OD-3 into a JHS Notaklon for drive now.
@odyssey6684
@odyssey6684 Месяц назад
What is your signal chain for the recording? I didn't hear a bit of harshness in the treble that I've heard in the past. Great to see some classics from Boss and Ibanez. The low end of the Blues Driver is amazing. The Metal Zone I've been able to get some good sounds with so long as the tone controls aren't set too extreme. One of my favorites is the Jam Pedals Rattler. There's something about the thing that makes me smile. Sounds like it's coming apart - really cool.
@RobChappers
@RobChappers Месяц назад
Pedals straight into my Victory RD1, I tweaked the EQ of my amp just slightly warmer
@jamescrum668
@jamescrum668 Месяц назад
Rob, the pedals sound great but that's one sweet sounding guitar!!!!
@I.M.Guitar-Nerd
@I.M.Guitar-Nerd Месяц назад
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Kernom Ridge.
@TheDenfender
@TheDenfender Месяц назад
OCD V2 working for me at this time , paired with a boost (Pettyjohn) or a milder drive that is treblier… an older Nobels ODR-1 used to work wonders thru an 80’s JCM 800 50 watt … you’ll find that certain amps and pedals seem to work better together … earlier I was getting good tone straight into a Boss Katana 100 …. astounding amps imho for little money ,I paid $200 for mine in a pawnshop … tone is in the ear of the beer holder
@pinkcricketer1921
@pinkcricketer1921 27 дней назад
While I don't hear many others talk about it, I have always been a fan of the DOD Super/Supra Distortion.
@t3hgir
@t3hgir Месяц назад
Never owned a RAT style distortion but in Fractal-land I LOOVE the sound of the "Fat Rat" just run through the Axefx mic preamps,cab and delay/reverb, no amp required... Great lead tone for me.
@banksy_5150
@banksy_5150 Месяц назад
JAFOD... Just kidding you gotta love them, I was always a fan of the old T-rex alberta 🔥🤘🎸
@keithb5612
@keithb5612 Месяц назад
Might be an idea to do a OD and Distortion Effect Pedals list separately.... The Keeley Filaments snd and Walrus Audio Eras are nice distortion pedals.
@CSchribbzzz
@CSchribbzzz Месяц назад
I wonder how these boss pedals compare to their katana counterparts. I remember when that amp came out, you and Lee were just blown away, especially with the MK2.
@plantagenant
@plantagenant Месяц назад
Never found a distortion pedal I liked. I find it easier to get the sound out of the amp as much as you can and then a cleanish boost when you want "more".
@musicalruss
@musicalruss Месяц назад
Glad you’re keeping the memory of Stagg Music alive, happy days
@kendickinson8307
@kendickinson8307 Месяц назад
I have a few dirt pedals (LOL) and I've gotten to the point where I feel that most of them are rather interchangeable. Then... out comes the Gritador. Yes, it's another dirt pedal, but listen to the harmonics that are popping out of that thing when you play double stops. That is supreme.
@RobChappers
@RobChappers Месяц назад
Agreed the Gritador is insane
@shanedingz
@shanedingz Месяц назад
Wampler triple wreck. Ran through a custom silverface Twin. All the gain you’ll ever need, with the warmth of the sun…
@Smart-Alex
@Smart-Alex Месяц назад
Took me a lifetime to finally realize that a Tube Screamer in front of a crunchy amp is my favorite OD sound. Fun fact: Sammy Ash (RIP), grandson of Sam Ash, named the Tube Screamer.
@juliochingaling5824
@juliochingaling5824 23 дня назад
Excellent
@geoffcorb
@geoffcorb 6 дней назад
Would have been interested to hear your thoughts on Boss Waza craft v Boss, only because some of the big stars who swear by Boss pedals had them and toured them before Waza craft was born.
@wellyforpm
@wellyforpm Месяц назад
I think I have been playing an evh 5150 for too long, the only gain pedal on my board is a mesa boogie boost pedal and an old boutique fuzz pedal I picked up a few decades ago.
@333lefty
@333lefty 4 дня назад
Ya need to add an number eleven...the MI Audio Super Crunch Box V2...or the previous ones.....they pretty much do what all the others do in one package.
@caelenselke-minogue
@caelenselke-minogue Месяц назад
TS808, Klon, Blues driver, Rat, DS-1, MT-2, SD-1, blues breaker, 5150, be-od
@francoislouw181
@francoislouw181 4 дня назад
That pot plant standing on the couch bothners me
@adamfstewart81
@adamfstewart81 Месяц назад
Looking good, buddy! Been working out?
@pinkcricketer1921
@pinkcricketer1921 27 дней назад
I don't disagree with any of your selections! Others I am sad not to see; the Hotcake, or better yet, the Double Hotcake. The Blues Breaker is my all time favorite overdrive sound. The Summer School Science Fair is a dual pedal that is a Rat and a Tube Screamer, and you can blend them. The Tsakalis Six is an amazing combination of a boost, a Timmy, and a Blues Breaker. Finally, the Double Barrel, Notaklon, and Pack Rat from JHS.
@brianschiller4053
@brianschiller4053 Месяц назад
Wampler dual fusion is my favorite
@LDACG
@LDACG Месяц назад
Cannot disagree with any of them. That said, it seems that the really good ones are best left to the pros. I would love to add any one of these to my board, but for what purpose? I cannot play well enough to make the guitar sing through thee pedals.
@jerrymartinez2160
@jerrymartinez2160 Месяц назад
you should consider checking out the duelist by jesse davey....holy smokes. have it on my board for almost 5 years and nothing comes close
@santiagomujica-vh3kx
@santiagomujica-vh3kx 6 дней назад
Hey Rob, BOSS rules forever. Chapman guitars are awesome and incredible Quality and Sound. Very Collectibles. Have You Chapman guitar pics for free ? Thanks.
@samhealey7603
@samhealey7603 Месяц назад
This came at a perfect time whilst i'm shopping for my first ever OD pedal. I am, however, thinking of an OD/boost combo pedal to go into the Blues Jr. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks!
@RobChappers
@RobChappers Месяц назад
Boss EQ
@samhealey7603
@samhealey7603 Месяц назад
@@RobChappers Thanks, Rob. Will check it out!
@vorpalblades
@vorpalblades Месяц назад
DOD BiFet Boost NuX Lacerate Boost
@kenphillips3282
@kenphillips3282 25 дней назад
Try the Unobtainium by Crazy Tube Circuits… awesome and on Pete Thorn’s board… I have 3 boards and therefore 3 Unobtainium. Would not be without them, just sayin’.
@JammoJay
@JammoJay Месяц назад
No mention of the Tone City Golden Plexi's yellowy golden goodness?!
@sazen5987
@sazen5987 17 дней назад
What do you think about vintage mxr Distortion+ ?
@tonitepponen5321
@tonitepponen5321 Месяц назад
What tuning are you playing? Or did I miss it?
@jeffreystayman375
@jeffreystayman375 Месяц назад
I don't know what to do with a list like this that leaves off the Rat, the Klon, but includes the Metal Zone. Different strokes I guess. I did like the Savage, which I never heard of.
@boomba64
@boomba64 Месяц назад
Love the skindred shirt
@GabrielSkolderblad
@GabrielSkolderblad Месяц назад
The best I've ever tried is the Boss DS1X
@LDACG
@LDACG Месяц назад
The one exception to my previous comment is the one form Seattle.
@GuitarBailey
@GuitarBailey Месяц назад
You didn't mention any of the dsp overdrive from any of the multi units??? Hmmm. Seems pedals still do it better
@ryanspencerlauderdale687
@ryanspencerlauderdale687 Месяц назад
Not even gonna lie or use a product ad for this comment. That Chapman Chris Robertson looks insane. I might check that one out.
@jakollee
@jakollee Месяц назад
No love here for the OCD, or the Plimsoul?
@z4570
@z4570 Месяц назад
How bout the Visual Sound"s Son of Hyde?
@stefpenfield5918
@stefpenfield5918 Месяц назад
Couple Voodu Valves online for $300 right now. Rocktron baby.
@RobChappers
@RobChappers Месяц назад
Ffffffffffff
@thepeetjournal4469
@thepeetjournal4469 Месяц назад
I miss the Rodenberg Luke pedal
@shadyburnike264
@shadyburnike264 Месяц назад
Revv G3 is my favorite
@matth2868
@matth2868 25 дней назад
The main thing I hate about these videos is that there's been enough time to dissect all these pedals. Back in the day they just sounded cool. Now I'm at an age where I second guess myself.
@aris9125
@aris9125 Месяц назад
Why not the Tight Metal Pro 2?
@thejustinkates
@thejustinkates Месяц назад
Empress heavy menace dude
@shanewalton8888
@shanewalton8888 Месяц назад
Funny how none of the pedals that won the Andertons blindfold challenge were on your list. ( Diesel, EVH, Metalcore, Friedman)
@coryjones
@coryjones 3 дня назад
HHAHA that intro got me good
@tboyz1
@tboyz1 Месяц назад
Marshall Guvnor2 - alive and well in New Zealand 👍
@ezencrow
@ezencrow 5 дней назад
I was here for the RAT! Where is it now!
@walterppk1989
@walterppk1989 Месяц назад
Grrrrrrreeeetings!
@user-ci3hb4qo2u
@user-ci3hb4qo2u 21 день назад
Believe it or not the Boss metalcore is a very good pedal 😮😊!!!!!
@orionasgardzero7793
@orionasgardzero7793 Месяц назад
Bogner Ecstasy Red and Blue, Friedman Be Od, Tsakalis Room 40, Diamond Fireburst, Rodenberg SL-OD
@electricmeatpuppet
@electricmeatpuppet Месяц назад
Some top tier choices there!
@Jonathan-ih7qp
@Jonathan-ih7qp Месяц назад
Love the Diamond Fireburst, but never hear anyone else talk about it.
@WoodsyGuitars
@WoodsyGuitars Месяц назад
The Rodenberg is class
@GundogJake
@GundogJake Месяц назад
The Rodenberg TB Shakedown is also class… 808 and 909 with bass switch in one box. My fave 👌
@MrJamesthefrog
@MrJamesthefrog Месяц назад
Bogner blue is fantastic
@ericolson326
@ericolson326 Месяц назад
I wouldn't have known you were changing pedals if you hadn't told us. Sounds like one consistent amp tone with the guitar's volume knob rolled up or down a bit from clip to clip. 🤷
@rodolpheponthus2948
@rodolpheponthus2948 29 дней назад
The more it goes, the more I can't cope the super heavy mid hump of Tube Screamer type pedals. I find them boring and no good sounding in the long run. They're good in a certain mix context where you need to cut thru a busy orchestration
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