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@@Blackblade-NeX absolutely agree. Messmer’s assault is beautiful especially. I also love radahn’s 5 hit bread and butter combo as well as the meteor + lightclones ability in the second phase
@@Vengeance_I_m best phase transition of any boss tbh. Though midra has a beautiful transition too. As well as gael’s third phase or both of isshin’s second phases
@@Vengeance_I_m cinema doesnt make it good though. It looks cool but the mechanics are just like placidussax, floating in the air regaining posture and wasting time
It's refreshing to see a youtuber actually enjoy the boss design in this game and the dlc, I personally really enjoy the more complex movesets because of the added replay value. They seem so absurd at first but you can really perfect them with time. I can't enjoy dark souls 3 the same way anymore because the bosses don't really challenge me atp.
I have enjoyed all the souls games and eventhough the ds3 bosses might not be as challenging today i still adore its boss lineup and how most encounters have top tier music and a moveset which is not the most complex but atleast very fair
@@drpeepee05Define fair? What does that mean exactly? Because I always hear this made up category from players, but this word doesn't seem to have a consistent and exact meaning. People use this word to describe everything they don't understand about the boss. For me most of the Elden Ring bosses seem fair after mastering them, same thing with DS3. I honestly don't see how Elden Ring bosses can be less "fair", maybe it could seem that way when you're bad against Elden Ring bosses, was the case for me back when I was only starting. Like I genuinely want to know what would make bosses like Messmer, Rellana and Bayle feel less "fair" than Friede, Gael and Midir for example
@@Vengeance_I_m love this comment. Although this wasn't directed at me, I classify "unfair" bosses or moves by if they are clearly cheap or broken. Examples when Bayle transitions to 2nd phase sometimes he flies through the wall and your camera unlocks and it messes you up badly. Also things like the camera in the golden hippo fight and not being able to see what he does because half the time ur stuck in his body. Gaius charge is technically fair if your light rolling and relatively easy and consistent to dodge, but I'd consider this charge overly punishing and unfair if you are medium rolling. Despite pointing out a few moves from the DLC the bosses are extremely fair and the people saying they aren't do not understand the boss mechanics well enough. Some people bitching about massive AOEs clearly don't even know you can just them with a single roll or jump and the timings on most are very forgiving
@@Luxuriouswhite you can dodge it easily with med roll. and also jumping makes aoe attacks a joke, even that massive placi style bayle attack when he blows up a lightning spear in the ground is funnily enough, jumpable. no joke you can just jump in front of his face when he does that attack and he'll miss, it looks funny af and you'll get a huge window to kick his ass.
Messmer to me is the coalescence of all of fromsoftwares learnings over the years. Each piece of their iconic catalogue served as the springboard for their next. Messmer has, in my opinion, their best combat design, amazing character design, and a lore driven OST which compliments his character perfectly. Messmer and Malenia are both my favourite bosses in elden ring. This DLC was amazing.
@@jordan.d1475 Yes, 💯. He's essentially Malenia done right, basically a fluid dance and thrilling, peak, anime-like battle. Both would be similar in quality and regarded as the best bosses ever if Waterfowl Dance attack didn't exist. Malenia's still fun fight though, but her immeasurable potential was ruined due to that move. Honestly yes Messmer is such a great boss and imo is the best boss in SoulsBorne history. This DLC gave us so many banger bosses it's insane
@@Vengeance_I_m to be honest when you learn the dodge pattern of waterfowl it really isn't that problematic. I think they are difficult for different reasons. Malenia has the ability to delete you if you do not measure your aggression but she also provides lulls in her overwhelming aggression. Messmer's attacks in isolation are very manageable however he is very aggressive in both phases incessantly.
@@jordan.d1475 The problem is that the attack is 100x harder than others in the fight and can come out at any point in time + has no limit on how many times it can happen. She can also instantly animation cancel into the attack which can make you unable to run away and you have to use the extremely unintuitive way to dodge by rotating around her. Essentially her difficulty is entirely rng. You might have a fight with 0 waterfowl and she's one of the easier bosses in the game.
@@hachikuji_mayoi100% agree but i have to say i havent seen many people talk about it but i see alot of mohg in messmer his delayed attacks and direction specific dodges are the clear inspirations i see
Midra is my favourite boss in Elden Ring. It's proof that an amazing boss isn't just about difficulty, but about spectacle and flow too. He's not too hard but he's fun and the setting helps too.
@@dtanobo Midra is an amazing boss fight with great spectacle and clean moves, but he's too simple and easy to learn imo, still harder than almost any DS3 boss, but according Elden Ring bosses' level of complexity and variety, he seems to be the very easiest moveset wise. But yeah honestly just as you put it, boss' quality isn't always about the difficulty and Midra is a great example of it. Definitely an S tier boss and up there with greatest bosses Fromsoft has ever made
@@Vengeance_I_mI agree , I much prefer the likes of Bayle, Maliketh, and even Melania over Midra. Midra is awesome but he just didn't challenge me enough. He's just lacking that little bit extra that would put him in the S tier for me.
@@grimreefer213 +++. Although Malenia has one big issue (waterfowl dance), overall she's in my top 5 favourite boss fights and I always enjoy fighting her, fight is like a dance. Messmer is the same for me (except it's one of the cleanest fights I've ever seen, where every move is dodgeable). Maliketh, Radagon, Mohg, Godfrey, Morgott, Rellana. All of these are absolutely great fights, one of the best bosses in all of SoulsBorne imo. Midra would be an S tier, the best fight in any other Fromsoft game, but unfortunately for Elden Ring he's too simple and easy to be at the very top. Like it's funny that Margit, literally the first major boss in Elden Ring, is slightly more complex than freaking Midra, really goes to show how much Fromsoft cooked with bosses in this game
@@Vengeance_I_m For real, I understand Melania is not for everybody and she's very clearly overtuned and has a lot of issues, but it's that she's overtuned that kinda made it special to me. I spent so much time mastering the perfect punish windows and learning how to dodge waterfowl dance and the spirit clone attack perfectly, it made the fight so much more engaging and memorable for me. Midra is very nice to fight and flows well but it almost feels like a DS3 boss in Elden Ring. I get that a lot of people will like it for that reason in that it's pretty intuitive and you get a lot of big punish opportunities, but it's these other bosses like Maliketh, Margit/Morgott, Godfrey, Melania etc. where you have to work a little bit to unlock the best punish opportunities that makes them more interesting I think. Of course there are ways to trivialize bosses especially in the base game so your mileage may vary, and I still need to fight the DLC bosses more.
I always thought that he should still be mid-life in his second phase but only on the first try you put him in phase 2. When you come back, only Maliketh remains with a full health-bar
@@DeltaRaven97 Yep one of the best bosses ever made, very underrated imo. Also, funny how Margit version, literally the first major boss in Elden Ring, is one of the most complex and detailed boss fights we got in all of Fromsoft.
@@DeltaRaven97 for me he Is the best boss in the game, he Is Just peak elden ring gameplay with positional openings, jumpable tail swipes and delayed Attacks with can let you get AN hit inbetween. As his low health i Simply use a +0 weapon and i actually really enjoy it
@@bigchonc1 yeah imo should've been vice versa. Maliketh is very rough for newbies due to extremely high amount of damage he deals to a player but he has very little HP and poise. Would be much better and more balanced if his damage output was slightly tuned and he was more tanky
Messmer was the first boss since Slave Knight Gael where I actually felt goosebumps throughout my whole body while fighting him. That should tell you all you need to know about how epic his fight truly is
Amazing tier-list! Man Elden Ring boss roster especially after DLC is freaking unmatched, FromSoft have outdone themselves with it. Most of my top 10 Souls bosses are from Elden Ring. Just amazing.
@@HeyTarnished Yup same with me. Elden Ring has some of the best boss fights in the whole genre. They're so underrated and overhated imo, eventually after Elden Ring hate train is gone, after a few years a lot of players will recall and appreciate how awesome, engaging and fun the game and bosses are. After multiple Elden Ring playthroughs I'm so thankful that the game has honed my skills so much and has taught me so much about strong mentality/ways to approach problems. After I mastered Elden Ring every other game including Sekiro was so easy, because I've learned from Elden Ring that you see the enemy -> you learn (instead of whining, giving up and going hollow), you endure and prevail. Funny that Berserk's philosophy is essentially the same, moving on and staying strong no matter what, Myiazaki is big Berserk fanboy after all :). I hope more people where chill and could see the true beauty of the game, instead of their ego getting in the way
@@Vengeance_I_m So true I agree with everything, seems like more and more people are starting to see the real value of Elden Ring’s bosses and they’re like “Oh…that’s why” with it now and are loving it.
@@HeyTarnished Most of these cry babys are old fans who didn't adeptet to the new mechanics. Fans who played ER as their first game don't even complain that much.
@@xvimpexgg6853 Fans who played ER as their first game likely also used spirit summons and some other cheesy weapon, meaning that they have nothing to complain about boss wise because they do not need to learn patterns.
Honestly if Midra had a phase 3 he would probably be the best boss in fromsoft history eclipsing gael and isshin. Especially since they kinda just scratched the surface with the frenzy idea. Still a phenomenal fight, just wish they went crazier.
Rellana puts both swords by her side when shes finished a combo. Thats how you know, if they arent by her side she has a chance to combo into more. There are patterns to it people need to learn them and not just complain. Speaking in general not to you bro 😂
@@Nightwalk2 i think your top 3 are based btw. Deffinately the best 3 fights from the dlc. I actually have a soft spot for Gaius now that iv done a few no hit fights on him 😂 but i think my favourite 3 are bayle malenia and messmer
@@zaynthemane great advice. But unfortunately average gamers won't do that specifically and won't be able to appreciate Midra that much because he's too easy for their broken meta builds, which is very sad imo. Very great and underrated boss.
The first time I beat Messmer I died dozens of times and yet I never once got mad, it felt not only fair but also super fun. The OST for messmer is probably my favorite of the entire dlc and base game, that choir that plays during his phase transition cutscene is probably my favorite part. He’s just fun and the only other bosses fromsoft made that felt like this were Slave knight Gael and Holy Blade Ludwig. Truly some of Fromsoftwares best work.
Bayle was the first time since gael that i came away from a fight absolutely stunned with how amazing it was. Messmer was close, but to me he just couldnt match the absolute spectacle. Bayles 2nd phase transition still gives me shivers every time i see it
i like mohg a lot because you can get to him faster than to any other endgame boss. literally 1 simple questline and you're there. and that gives you an opportunity to get to level 80 really fast and he's fairly easy to fight. he's sort of like four kings from ds1, that you can get to real quick and reach endgame level requirements before fighting any other hard bosses, or like dancer of the boreal valley in ds3. i know that he's hard but id'd say he's the easiest out of all endgame bosses and if you have +10 somber and like 40 vigor you'll be able to defeat him quite easily.
@@static4802 i find godfrey and radagon to be harder because they're much faster, and maliketh cus he hits like a truck, and malenia yeah, malenia is the hardest.
The top 3 couldnt be more correct. These 3 run chills through my spine. Messmer, especially, with all the OST's desperation and sorrow it sears me in two while pumping my adreneline to 100. Brilliance
In an age of so many critical or even negative youtubersI absolutely love your enthusiasm. It helps after checking out your channel you love Black Country, New Road 😂 you need a discord bro
I do have one for my music channel, I’ve abandoned it though as it was a bit much to manage haha. Glad you enjoyed. I know, I’m just here to talk about games I love, simple as that :)
The thing i like about bayle is if you do like to attack the feet and legs, his stump takes more damage similar to the results you'd get from hitting his head
Great list, Elden Ring has so many unique encounters that everyone will have shuffled top 10s. I completely agree on number 1. My list would look like: 1. Messmer the Impaler 2. Morgott the Omen King 3. Maliketh the Black Blade 4. Bayle the Dread 5. Rellana, Twin Moon Knight 6. Mohg, Lord of Blood 7. Godfrey, the First Elden Lord 8. Malenia, Blade of Miquella 9. Divine Beast Dancing Lion (It's difficult to explain why i like this boss' theme, design and moveset so much lol) 10. Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame It's painful to omit so many great bosses, but it just shows how great Elden Ring's overall catalogue is now. Love your videos, keep it up Nightwalk! I still remember you reacting to In Rainbows for the first time, feels like ages ago.
@@static4802 it's a bit messy are but you just gotta be aware of the surroundings. The camera is only really a problem when the boss pushes you back to the walls bringing the camera closer. Otherwise it's not too bad. And the ost and its fluid but freaky animations and AWESOME spectacle really sell it for me
I always find it crazy that torrent is more afraid of the flame of frenzy than he is of fighting a giant cosmic outer god that can change the landscape at will lol
the dlc was so hard for me on my first playthrough that i had to change my build several times with rennala. in the second playthrough with all of my fragments, it was way more managable but way more fun so i decided not to use a summon and fighting rellana, bayle, messmer, midra, and consort radahn was amazing leading them to be some of my favorite fights of the dlc,game , and series
I am happy Elden Beast got some love, a very overhated part of the final boss. It looks beautiful and the music is majestic and honestly, the boss running away has never been an issue, i love the feeling of running towards this being we cannot comprehend at the end of the journey.
I don't think Rykard should be here. He can only be fought using a weapon you find in his arena, meaning you can't use the build you've worked so hard on. he also has some really stupid, undodgeable attacks. My pick for a number 10 would be Divine Dancing Lion from the DLC. It is sort of a Margit fight in the sense that its early game but quite difficult and punishing, making you explore more before you come back. Has amazing design and 3 seperate elemental phases, making every fight with him different. Soundtrack is also amazing
All of his attacks can be dodged, but the upheaval is the only one where a case for unfairness can be argued. But even then, that can be dodged by running to the right and jumping. Moreover, you're very much misrepresenting the boss, stating things that outright aren't true, such as the spear being the only way to be able to fight him; It feels like intentionally or not, you're downtalking the boss to elevate the dancing lion. There are still very viable ways to fight him without the Serpent Hunter, such as shard spiral (very deadly against very large enemies like Rykard) and frostbite procs, which could easily be used by any build. Take this from someone who actually fought him without that great spear and has video proof; If you know what you're doing, it's more than possible. Moreover, the gimmick weapon is a part of the appeal of the boss. Like Storm Ruler with Yhorm or the Storm King. Not to mention an important bit of lore. It was a weapon DESIGNED to kill the likes of Rykard.
I love that at a certain point, if you accept the frenzied flame (no matter how bad it is) and stop fighting it it goes from making you frantic to making you seem calm, gracious and content
For Messmer and Midra being the best bosses in the game imo they both need a lot more hp Messmer should have had two full health bars like malenia And midra should have like 20% more hp
Man I'm listening to this video while walking and I thought I'd be able to make my own list but this game has so many great bosses that I just can't make a top 10 list
Bro that’s like my top 10 too. My only complaints is Morgott and Maliketh feel waaaay too squishy. But gameplay wise that’s my top 10 as well. Mira would be lower I think but aside from that identical order too.
My top 10 elden ring bosses goes 10.Godrick 9.Rellana 8.Midra 7.Godfrey 6.Radabeast 5.Bayle 4.Morgott 3.Messmer(top 3 are super close) 2.Malenia 1.Promised consort
@@D0verking69 funnily really outside of Malenia and pcr the other bosses I find super hard are no where near as high Those two are just such a perfect mix for me of super fun but all super hard so I feel like a god when I beat them
I am really sad about the Promised Consort Fight. It is just a wee bit from perfection. Just removing Miquella's hair anf the cross slash would make the boss the best of all time imo.
@@xvimpexgg6853The cross slash is fine, you just need to position yourself right after each of his combos so you don’t get caught by it. If you try to end up behind Radahn to his right (your left) then one more roll to the left when it comes out will let you dodge the first two hits and then you can safely dodge the follow up. Radahn isn’t just about dodging his combos, it’s about dodging them in a way that won’t get you punished by whatever he does next too
I fought rellana again last night as a spell blade and it was FUCKING sick. Its my second playthrough of the dlc using my mage and i made the build entirely around the weapon based spells complimenting the milady. Man it was so cool..we both fired glint blades at each other. I parried her and danced between her moves and the icing of the cake was completely erasing her projectiles with carian retaliation and launching them back at her. One of my favourite fights ever
1 Messmer the Impaler 2 Maliketh, the Black Blade 3 Bayle the Dread 4 Rellana, Twin Moon Knight 5 Divine Beast Dancing Lion 7 Promised Consort Radahn 8 Morgott, the Omen King 9 Radagon of the Golden Order + Elden Beast (Torrent!) 10 Malenia, Blade of Miquella But that's me
My top 10 ER bosses post DLC: 10. Promised Consort 9. Rellana 8. Malenia 7. Bayle 6. Mohg 5. Morgott 4. Midra 3. Maliketh 2. Messmer* 1. Hoarah Loux *I am still unsure where to place Messmer in the top 3 but I’ll put him there for now since I absolutely love his fight in a similar magnitude to Maliketh and Hoarah Loux, which were my top 2 and 1 respectively in base game.
@@thebluehood35 Did you like Promised Consort Radahn more than OG Radahn? For me personally, the OG Radahn seems like the much better designed boss fight
@@Vengeance_I_m personally yes. After some time fighting OG Radahn, I didn’t enjoy him like I used to upon consecutive kills, especially since I tend to nohit bosses now (Though I’d give him credit tho. One my first playthrough he was an excellent experience but after nohitting him thrice with style builds, I don’t really enjoy him as much anymore). Consort Radahn on the other hand; I really love the entirety of the fight except for that one frame trap move that just forces you to play the game of positioning most of the time. He actually made me push myself into greater heights in skill and I love that about him (After my 1st kill, I aimed for hitless, then no aux hitless and finally Level 1 hitless; all without parries). I really enjoyed figuring out how to flawlessly dodge the illusions and I personally feel like they are actually really fun to tackle after figuring everything out. But yea, if it weren’t for the Frame Trap, Promised Consort would easily be in my top 3. So yea, for reference, Starscourge Radahn would be around my top 11 or 13
@@thebluehood35 Oh I see. Yeah I can see how Promised Consort could be much more fun, since that fight requires much more skill, essentially timing and positioning. OG Radahn has one of the best build ups and presentations ever, has a really neat gimmick of summoning your own small army to take him down and his initial ranged attacks after entering the arena. Like by first impressions, Starscourge Radahn is one of the best fights ever. But for me too, the fight became boring, repetitive and annoying on consecutive playthrough. Now I simply always make it so he stops shooting arrows by running out of reach, never summon and simply hide close to Leanoard and hit Radahn's crotch, while not having to see what he's doing and his attacks flying over me. Simply unfun fight mechanics wise. Humanoid bosses with legs are much more engaging and fun. So yeah I could see why Consort could be better for some people. But still imo a lot of things in his fight need to be tweaked for the fight to be really fun and balanced
@@Vengeance_I_m speaking of, I’ve tried the Vanilla Plus Radahn mod and that fight made Radahn a lot better for consecutive runs. You should give that a try if you’re on PC
not really to say ER boss design is reactive, it's more so that there is just more to learn due to added complexity. you can still learn a boss to the point where you know what's going on
I loved Rykard’s voice acting, it sounds super pained and forced, like this abomination has to try hard to do something as unnatural as talk in its current state.
I am stilll unsure on torrent I really liked them without it tbh Will have to see when I fightt hem But as one of the few eb glazers hope torrent will make people like the more
The only problem I had with Messmer was that he was too easy. I was around midway through my SotE playthrough, and notably underleveled but I could still script his second phase down to about 15% health with the right gear somewhat reliably. I would also have included both iterations of Radahn in this top 10. SC Radahn has a buildup on par with Bayle, and one of the most epic arenas and battles. PC Radahn is challenging but mostly fair, like malenia, and a visual spectacle.
Bayle the Dread...personally is the strongest boss in the dlc, and the best boss I have faced in the entire souls series, maybe in all video games tbh.
Solid list, SOTE bosses were amazing, they really cooked with this dlc. Imo the lineup of major bosses after the dlc is now the best in the franchise. My rankings would go like: 1. Malenia, Blade of Miquella 2. Messmer the Impaler 3. Bayle the Dread 4. Godfrey, First Elden Lord 5. Mohg, Lord of Blood 6. Radahn, Consort of Miquella 7. Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame 8. Radagon/Elden Beast 9. Maliketh, the Black Blade 10. Rellana, Twin Moon Knight Sad I cant include more than 10 in my top 10, so many good fights
Rellana's become my favourite fight in the whole game, precisely because she has a great learning curve. She hits hard and fast, so at first you play a bit defensive and look for obvious openings, but they're so rare you almost always - unless you're one of those hitless pro players - likely to take a hit of some kind if you play that way. Once you figure out that you need to be going for hits, before she goes for hers, it becomes brilliant. You see her popping her glintblade phalanx? Run in, get those hits, run out. That's literally how I beat her, after many tries. Got her low, dodged the moons, just bursted her in a crazy trade-off as she phalaxnx'd. Not a clean win, but goddamn it was a fun one.
I don't really like Bayle that much because of the camera and all the craziness in phase 2 (I already dislike dragon fights), but I mostly agree with the rest of the list. Midra, Mohg and Messmer are my top 3.
I think that bayle is one of their best dragon fights and is a great fight but I kind of agree about dragon fights just not being as good as the other types of bosses. Theres something about them that just doesnt let them achieve the same level of bosses like slave knight gael or messmer
very random thought, but you briefly mentioned how combat n mechanics in general is maxed out. and though I do sort of agree, within the context of Elden ring ofc. I think introducing the jump and crouch mechanics and NOT having many attacks that require those was intentional (I hope). gives us time to familiarize ourselves with these mechanics within combat, and get used to using them if we feel like it, though not necessary for any attack. however I hope the next game pushes it further and has attacks that you HAVE to jump over or crouch under. otherwise the hitbox will pull you with and eventually you get hit even after your roll ends. I feel like it’s the next logical step in turning up the difficulty. we’re all getting better at souls games as they continue to become more challenging, and a lot of people will be disappointed if the trend of getting more challenging doesn’t continue, so obviously some change is needed for the next entry.
"Now I fight as Hoarah Loux: Warrior" is the only thing keeping this man from the number one spot This line is so so so bad. I can't embrace it, no matter how much I love this boss fight
Melania absolutely deserved to be at least number 10 above Rykard. I do not like Rykard really at all, Melania has so much more replay value despite some attacks being overtuned, I still enjoy fighting her way way more than Rykard. But of course that's just my opinion. I do agree that Bayle is easily top 3 in the game though, and my personal favorite boss in the entire expansion. Also Midra above Maliketh and Godfrey is very questionable imo, it's a cool fight but not nearly as good gameplay wise
I don’t get the Midra hype. I think he’s a great boss but above Godfrey and Mogh AND Maliketh is crazy. Top 3 in all of Elden Ring is a stretch. I do agree with most of this list though
Idk why everyone says that about Rykard's voice🤣 I think it's awesome! "A serpent never dies." Chills. Also. Imma let you all know. I 100% use Torrent to dodge Elden Beasts' circle attack. So much easier to dodge that
