Top 10 Games that MURDERED other Games 

It's been 5 years, I'd like to see this list re-visted

I'd love to see a redo of this list in 2017.

Glad to see you guys back together. I have to say, the onscreen chemistry between you is a pleasure to watch. I always feel better after watching Zee, Sam, Tom and their banter!

Great Top 10 guys. This not only helps out me picking up some new games but you also did it with a lot of flavor :)

Han didn't shoot "first". Han shot. Greedo died.

I definitely agree that some games render older games obsolete by improving upon them, but I think there's a general notion that if you take a popular game and add more rules and mechanics to it, that it's somehow better. I'm glad to see their lists didn't always fit this way of thinking as there are many games I enjoy over others because I don't always want such a heavy game.

BTW you guys should totally do a "Top Ten Games that Need House Rules"! :D

Dominion can be played by people all ages 10 to 100. There is no way grandma & grandpa are going to sit down and play a game so heavy in nerd fluff like Thunderstone with the 10 year old but Dominion they play all the time.

Zee was amazingly hilarious in the first couple of minutes. Look at his expressions! :D

Top 10 card games...How could you not have done this yet? LOL

Interesting to see how 7 Wonders has risen from the dead to make people sell their copy of Among the Stars.

47:26 "Agricola replaces Caverna" ..thats a bold statement.

I kinda chuckle how people are like "the videos are too long!" or "I dont have time!" and most if not all of those people will sit in front of the tv and watch for hours.

Very entertaining & enjoyable, you guys have a really good chemistry going, keep up the good work! The best part is seeing the "friendship dynamic" that comes through in your vids, very refreshing! Hope that never changes!

Thanks guys. I know I asked for something like this and you delivered. I really appreciate it.

an updated 2019 version of this woud be awesome!

I enjoy these lists you make. Keep it up.

These are great video's Certanly make me aware of alot of game that are out there. Video length is great. For people wanting shorter video, just use the skip ahead video bar. Thank guys. Looking forward to your next one.

Totally agree with Zee on the house rule for Witch of Salem! Great game with bucket loads of foreboding doom and awesome thematics. This one will definitely kick your butt. Just don't follow the rule about not revealing the door tiles.

I'm only 3 minutes in and Zee already has me in stitches with sight gags and pantomime.

NICE!!!! I'm really looking for your next top 10 guys, in my gaming group, we're almost always 6-7 players so there is a lot of games we can't play often

How about a top 10 games that can be made far better with one or two house rules or top 10 games that need house rules to play

Thank you Sam Healey for succinctly describing my contempt for Dominion. I've tried on several occasions to play Dominion, even the different expansions and couldn't be more bored with the single mindedness of that game. Some people like it, I didn't.

Stone Age and Settlers of Catan are not even the same sort of game.

Zee, Tom & Sam. Your chemistry together is really entertaining. I can say from experience regarding Citadels, playing Citadels with 6+ people is eye opening and drags a little unless playing with a really fun & vocal group.

Looks like someone made a little mistake at 47:26: "Agricola replaces Caverna" ;)

Great video! I did a lot of LOL... loved it, thanks! :)

This pink drink is my absolute favorite soda. Also, it would be nice to get a redo of this list :)

This theme has legs: It will always trigger energetic debate, there are always lots of new game killers, and we players are Interested: More of this for 2020 please!

I played Dixit for the first time a couple weeks ago and said the same thing about the Apples to Apples comparison. Dixit was a lot of fun.

This video makes me want to play games with Zee Garcia because he has so much fun and is quite witty! Love the attitude and theme of this video!

"Everyone loves Apples to Apples when you first teach it to them." Ooh, no. I never really cared for it at all. Now Dixit, Dixit I like.

this was a really good one, thanks!

Escape was replaced in our group by Space Cadets Dice Duel. Same intensity with a better mix of stuff to do. Plus it lasts longer than 10 mins before having to reset everything.

Ok, let's see how Thunderstone replaces Dominion - Thunderstone #694, Dominion #98 - somebody was dreaming perhaps...

Tom... you have to show more of what these games look like. I wanna see more then just the box! great job with the Dice Tower!

Great review guys, found it very useful.

I was always agreeing with Zee, but now he jus broke my heart. Escape! is a game and a great one.

I realize this videos like 9 months old, but for me, now, I feel like Legendary Encounters: Aliens murders Marvel Legendary Deck Building Game. They're very similar, but with the tweak of having to scan rooms for aliens in Legendary Encounters just adds so much to the game. Most of the time you don't know what you're scanning. It could hurt or even "kill" you or it might be that object you needed to finish an objective. It adds a lot of suspense just by having the cards be face down. Plus. It really hits the flavor of the movie Aliens really well, where Marvel feels lightly comic book-ish (to me at least).

For me nothing replaces Citadels! A small fit-in-a-pocket game which could be played by 8!!!

THANK YOU SAM! Starfarers of Catan is one of my favorite games of all time.

so what is the ultimate Catan killer in the end? Is there such or did it just fade and better games arrived for different separate aspects within Catan?

These dudes are just awesome. Love watching their videos.

I would suggest "Top 10 Gateway games" or "Top 10 games for 6 and more players"

enjoyed watching this countdown even though I have played only a couple of the games mentioned.. So this was more of a future shopping list for me

Really getting into boardgames lately so i love your lists

I love the long Top Ten lists not just for the lists but for the camaraderie between the presenters. :)

is there a video where you guys compare spin off games, like there's 3 different versions of 7 wonders, 3 different settlers of catan, 3 Dominion. those were examples, idk how to phase this request

What was the version (or expansion) of Settlers did Sam say he would play? I couldn't quite make out the second one...

LOL you made me laugh really hard when you said Arkham horror had been killed by Yahtzee. Not what I expected. :)

Not only was this list an interesting topic and informative, but these puns and "murder" theme throughout the list was amazingly funny. Just "oozing" with theme. :p

While these picks were not all agreed upon, it was still a very helpful list! Thanks for posting!

47:25 There is a mistake because caverna replaces agricola.

I'd love to see this video redone for more recent games.

Please make an updated version of this video

Personally I've never had an issue with longer games, though having only played Arkham Horror once and never playing Eldritch Horror I can't say which I'd prefer though I do plan to give Arkham Horror and proper run through this coming weekend where I'll have to learn the rules and teach my friend. But on the subject of long games I ended up playing a 10 hour long game of Talisman 4th edition a few weeks ago and it was awesome. ^_^

Very interesting. I had been curious about Agricola, because I had seen many good reviews, but I'd never had a chance to play it. After seeing this, I'm thinking I can scratch that from my "to try" list, and just go straight for Caverna. Likewise, I had been curious about all three, Citadels, Libertalia, and Mission: Red Planet. Considering that you've all replaced Citadels, and MRP is virtually impossible to find, looks like Libertalia is on the list to try. Thanks, as always.

I would love to see a top ten list of the best games with a short play time.

9:07 "Diplomacy has that historical flavour, which disappears almost immediately because you're attacking---England can attack Turkey for no reason at all." I realize you were just searching for any old example here, but have you not heard about the Gallipoli campaign? England attacked Turkey for no reason at all in 1915.

I thought that GoT is the quintessential replacer of Diplomacy..

That Citadels hand of cards with all the roles actually makes sense. It would instead be played like Mission Red Planet. (I think) There wouldn't be a need for a first player, so instead the King would 'summon his subjects' and get cards back and the game would last 8 or 9 rounds depending on the number of cards used.

I always dug Diplomacy... and thankfully, I never had a game where one player was quickly wiped out. Always had good fun with this one, but have seen people get way pissed. lol

Replacing Catan with Stone Age... they aren't the same game... They have similar themes but the mechanics are completely different. odd choice

One difference between Dixit and Apples to Apples is that the latter one is actually fun

Make this TOP 10 one more time :D, more up to date :).

There is a typo with Zee's number two when it is listed going into number one.

I'm looking forward to the top 10 6 player games. My group is always whineing about how games are either 2-5 or 7+ like Werewolf.

You guys really role-played this list. Boom!

The Dice Tower are you guys gonna do the top ten deck building games? I think that would be cool!

Stone Age replacing Settlers is silly. I'm not really a fan of either game, but the core gameplay of Stone Age is worker placement... the core of Settlers is trading. There is NO trading in Stone Age... they're entirely different kinds of games.

It's true though. We've played Bang! a lot, but haven't played it since getting Ca$h&Guns. We played Ca$h&Guns at Tabletop Day even and Bang! was present. :)

Hey Tom you need to fix the number two summary screen before Zee kills you. You have that Agricola replaces Caverna.

God, Resistance. I love that game, but I agree that it's far too easy for the game to implode thanks to one awful player. Last time I played, myself and one of my other fellow spies were running that game, but the other spy, a girl who had never been particularly bright, completely blew up the great game we had going. I have rarely gotten that angry at a board game.

I'd very much like to buy Fury of Dracula, but it's sadly enough out of print. I'm hoping it comes back soon, though.

I want their "backdrop" in my living room. So many games!

I agree with your number 1. BANG!: The Dice Game was a sped up BANG!, but Cash N' Guns is a more fun BANG!. You get to be more of a prick in BANG!, and the bluffing has a lot more weight to it, especially when you have to keep track of who has bullets left, and who is bluffing.

Quite the entertaining top 10 list

“Kuh-knifed” 😂 😂 😂 I’m using that one!

I love you, more videos like this pls:). This episode top ten wos so funny :)

love the intro music so much

I agree with Z that Dixit replaced Apples. I'm not a big "Say Anything" fan. It's fine, but I love Dixit more.

Wait, there's a Bang Dice Game? That explains why the original always feels like Werewolf with additional random and overcomplicated mechanics.

Ashes, Rise of the Phoenixborn replaced Magic: The Gathering. I first played Magic: The Gathering in 1994, longer than many current players have been alive. I love MTG. But I really enjoy the game mechanics of ARP. With the magic dice there is no real issue with being mana-screwed (or mana-flood) and I think it is a great mechanic. I also enjoy the use of the spellboard. I like having different Phoenixborn characters with their own unique abilities and characteristics (similar to Android: Netrunner). I like passing the round back and forth with a single main action and an optional side action--it adds a lot of strategy to the game. And the game is fresh enough not to have the issue of power creep that is a major problem in MTG. And it's a LCG-style game so you don't need to take out a second mortgage to afford all the cards needed to keep up. There is nowhere near as much diversity of cards in ARP, but it's a new game and I expect that to improve as time goes on. I stopped playing MTG because I simply couldn't afford it anymore. But I am very happy with ARP.

R.I.P. Harvey Lee Osmond.

Item #3 on my bucket list: Spend an day in that room with you three and just pick random games to play off that shelf (except risk).

47:26 :Agricola replaces Caverna? looks like a typo. LOL

Relic replaced Talisman. Anyone who has played talisman knows about the problems that game had, When Relic was released it made Talisman instantly obsolete. The only reason you would play Talisman anymore is simply nostalgia

Yay. Oh and Burger Joint does not suck. Oh and because of Dice Hate Me's "It's no Twilight Struggle" review titled A few fries short of a happy meal, I am now boycotting all Dice Hate Me and anything the founder of Dice Hate Me has worked on. I believe Noe Huber is 1. Brilliant 2. Really good at finding lesser known games such as Olympia 2000 3. Completely successful at making what was intended with Burger Joint. It hurt my feelings to see the game downed in such a jovial manner (though I do the same sometimes okay a lot of the times) mostly because I have had prior interaction and a game I like on the shelf before I knew he created another game Burger Joint that I both respect and like. Look down on me if that is what is natural, but don't say ignorant things such as the quote listed above. Anyone that can write as well as what is on display in that review can tell it was never supposed to be. And even if it is evident that the author knew this, the downplay of the fun in the game critique is invalidated by the obvious bias of the author towards heavier games. I offer an opposing view point of Burger Joint, of the brilliance of huber, and a word of caution about the perspective of Dice Hate Me Games not appreciating lighter games as evident by the Burger Joint review. And also I add that I own Carnival which is a Dice Hate Me Game. And I promise to grade it as hard as it deserves. I will dissect it. I will heavily explore it. And if it is not better than Burger Joint I will most definitely compare the pros and cons of the two games side by side. Here is a tip. If you are a designer and care about sales of your multitude of games, don't sternly review other designers games or risk alienating some of your buyers. Or just pay the toll to be yourself and as open with your opinions as you want to be. It might be worth it anyway, it probably varies person by person.

Puzzle Strike murdered every other deck building game for me.

Aw that's cute. Tom doesn't know how to feed his family. For me it was the opposite, Caverna replaced by Agricola. I was like "This is the hardcore expert game I've been waiting for." I'll play whatever with whomever, but if you want to actually challenge high-level strategists you gotta play Agricola over Caverna

Resistance over Avalon replacing Werewolf? Any thoughts on Resistance vs Avalon?

Chaos in the Old World vaporized El Grande for me

For me, Agricola took the best elements of both Caylus and Puerto Rico, so it kind of replaced those, but I wouldn't say I'll never play them again. I DEFINITELY will play them again because they're amazing games.

I'm a big fan of Thunderstone, but whenever someone says that it "replaces" Dominion, it's immediately clear that that person probably doesn't have an understanding of Dominion. It's probably for lack of experience, as it can take many plays before a new player grasps the mechanics enough to start building skill, but Sam was way over the top in his dismissal of the game.

I watched this awhile back, but came back to comment. When I played Deadwood and liked it, and found out about Carson City, I was very interested. Took awhile to get it played. I had a 2 player game and knew quite quickly the game needed at least 3. So I refused to make any judgment until I played with at least 3 players. It took even longer to get 3 players, but liked it so much played another game right after with 4. An awesome game, better than Deadwood. I can see why Tom Vasal was perplexed when Sam and Zee said Deadwood replaced Carson City. Both are great games, and Deadwood is simpler, but Carson City is awesome and doesn't need to be replaced. I think Bang! gets a bad rap. If you choose your expansions properly it won't be a long game. We often finish a game in about 1 hour. If you use High Noon and/or A Fistful of Cards you set a kind of "doom track" in game length. Also if you do not use the Shadow feature of Gold Rush, you shorten the game as well. People want to use it to eliminate player elimination, but you gotta accept it in this kind of game, besides I offset this with 2 cards from High Noon and Fistful of Cards with the cards "Ghost Town" & "Dead Man". Dead Man allows the 1st player eliminated to come back, thus its not so bad, as it only brings back 1 player, and the 1st one out, so they don't feel they got the wrong end of the stick. And Ghost Town brings back everyone, but only for just 1 turn. BTW, sometimes these cards don't even show up, and most games end before we reach the end of this deck! I usually put in 12-15 cards in this deck. We have only reached the High Noon card 2-3 times! I also want to say the other half of Gold Rush speeds the game up because it encourages players to shoot other players, even their own team mates, to get gold. So I use this half of that expansion only. I don't own or use Wild West. So the use of the expansions I share here, helps and does not hinder the game. I also want to add I have lots of Bling for my Bang, which creates even more theme which everyone loves! And while I am not a country fan, I did gather themed music for the game, songs like the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. I really believe playing Bang! this way will fix most problems people have with the game, but it won't fix disinterest or dislike of mechanics such as player elimination. I own and have played Ca$h n Guns 2nd edition now. I thought it was okay, but it does not even come close to Bang! A couple of people in my extended family, I think, like Ca$h n' Guns better than Bang the Card game, not that it replaces it. As for Bang! the dice game, it is a great game but it will not replace the card game. I think the card game is better, probably for a few reasons. One, I prefer board games over card games, I prefer card games over dice games. Two, Bang! the card game is so darn fun in the way I have it tweaked, and especially using all the bling I have. Just sitting and playing the game with family has created fun times and memories, its a blast. Don't get me wrong, we are gonna play the Dice game, we love it, everyone said it doesn't replace the card game (not just me) but is a different fun game.

It's 2020 this top 10 needs a redo

I was about to go and purchase Agricola this weekend but you guys have made up my mind to wait and save up for Caverna instead. It looks like an awesome fun game.

Gotta say, I was rather surprised that Smallworld vs. Risk was not on the list. I feel that they have the same mechanic, except SW basically made it better. Risk is a classic, but I would never buy it while Smallworld is on the market.

I was surprised Quarriors replaced by Marvel Dice Game was not on at least Tom's list.

sam's heat on dominion and tom's suppressed reaction. Lol