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Top 10 Greatest Defenders of All Time 

Jonny Arnett
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A breakdown of my top 10 greatest defenders in NBA history.
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@jonnyarnett
@jonnyarnett 10 месяцев назад
Top 2 defenders of all time? GO...
@reikage8564
@reikage8564 10 месяцев назад
Hakeem Bill
@GweanBeans
@GweanBeans 10 месяцев назад
Rodman and Draymond
@Dottor_J
@Dottor_J 10 месяцев назад
Russell first, Hakeem second
@moralesglitxhh27
@moralesglitxhh27 10 месяцев назад
bill russell n hakeem
@cnothegoat23
@cnothegoat23 10 месяцев назад
Bill russell and Hakeem Olajuwon
@august6281
@august6281 10 месяцев назад
Despite Pippen on being known for his defensive prowess, he is ALL OFFENSIVE now
@jonnyarnett
@jonnyarnett 10 месяцев назад
Lmao 🤣
@user-hf6py5ks7s
@user-hf6py5ks7s 10 месяцев назад
Lol 😂
@legrandelysee98
@legrandelysee98 10 месяцев назад
Sheesh🤣🤣
@kingpin785510
@kingpin785510 10 месяцев назад
He was a horrible player, he was horrible to play with
@mistameff3528
@mistameff3528 10 месяцев назад
​@@kingpin785510Not true at all, where do you got that from?
@terencemackay1990
@terencemackay1990 10 месяцев назад
Personally I’d take Hakeem as the greatest defender of all time a center who’s in a category of blocks and steals is impressive
@gswonlocks
@gswonlocks 10 месяцев назад
Bill Russel stopped Wilt... Nuff said
@johntregellas3152
@johntregellas3152 10 месяцев назад
There is far more to defense than stats. Hakeem is for sure elite tho
@LuisLRC
@LuisLRC 10 месяцев назад
​@@gswonlockswilt averaged 30 and 28 against bill on 50% FG, bill averaged 13 and 22 against wilt on 37% FG. The CELTICS and their 11 hall of famers stopped wilts TEAM, not wilt
@steezsteezsteez
@steezsteezsteez 10 месяцев назад
​@@gswonlocksabsolutely not 😂
@bigwoke686
@bigwoke686 10 месяцев назад
Yh but can he switch on to guards?
@vb2388
@vb2388 10 месяцев назад
The fact that 3 of the Greatest Defenders of all time played in the same team is mindblowing..
@jonnyarnett
@jonnyarnett 10 месяцев назад
Kinda makes sense why they went 72-10. Imagine an inside presence more impressive than Luc Longley. Wouldn’t even be fair. Lol
@bezllama3325
@bezllama3325 10 месяцев назад
​@@jonnyarnetthow Close Was Payton to making your list?
@MrABN86
@MrABN86 10 месяцев назад
That’s crazy. And it’s crazy that both Pippen and Rodman were waaaaaay better defensively, and Jordan was far from a slouch on defence. Easily the best defence of all time. Those years Jordan rarely had to guard superstars on a regular basis which meant he could preserve a lot more energy for the offrence then previous years.
@reimixo
@reimixo 10 месяцев назад
​@@MrABN86and harper was good too, they could switch 1-4
@Marlowe10100
@Marlowe10100 10 месяцев назад
@@jonnyarnett Yet, no one wanted Rodman at the time. He was on his way out of the league after San Antonio.
@kingpin785510
@kingpin785510 10 месяцев назад
It's videos like this that make me so thankful for alternative sports media. There is so much more that can be discussed than MJ vs LBJ. You tend to forget about some of these other player's greatness because the mainstream media won't touch any of these topics. Thinking about how Rodman could literally D up anyone, no matter the position, is crazy.
@brandonszczech6516
@brandonszczech6516 10 месяцев назад
PAUSE
@guyfromnewyork5236
@guyfromnewyork5236 10 месяцев назад
​@@brandonszczech6516 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@michaelhaydenbell
@michaelhaydenbell 10 месяцев назад
My guy it's a "top 10 ____ of all time" video, which is about the lowest brow debates you can have in the sports world, because it's all completely subjective and you're comparing a bunch of guys who most never even played one another and played in completely different eras of basketball with different context. I'm not even knocking the video at all, just saying even the creator would probably tell you it's not exactly the most intellectually demanding kind of discourse.
@thsu8
@thsu8 10 месяцев назад
@@brandonszczech6516 Are you gay?
@RevoluShaune
@RevoluShaune 9 месяцев назад
@@brandonszczech6516😂😂😂😂😂
@RatedRex1
@RatedRex1 10 месяцев назад
In 1987 Jordan was the first player to record 200 steals and 100 blocks. But he did not make the All-Defensive 1st or 2nd team. His defense was completely ignored because he had such a great offensive year becoming only the 2nd player to score 3000 points. Michael Cooper won the DPOY as a 6th man. Cooper recorded 78 steals and 43 blocks. The following year Jordan again recorded 200 steals and 100 blocks. The voters, embarrassed that they overlooked Jordan in the previous year, voted him DPOY. So actually, Jordan should have been on TEN 1st team All-Defensive team instead of 9.
@samuelhicks1268
@samuelhicks1268 10 месяцев назад
True true!!
@Fonz23
@Fonz23 9 месяцев назад
2 DPOY in a row and runner up on a couple more occasions really.
@kyngothegei3212
@kyngothegei3212 9 месяцев назад
Bro i think MJ came from all of that meat sucking
@jingqi9106
@jingqi9106 10 месяцев назад
One addition to the top 10 I'd make is The Logo, Jerry West. West didn't have the benefit of the all defensive team until the end of career but when it came along, West was on it. West had long arms, he was super quick, he was fast, and he had an extremely high basketball IQ. West was also an excellent shot blocker at the guard position because of all the above reasons. West is listed at 6'2" or 6'3" depending where you look but he was actually around 6'4" barefoot so with shoes on (as players were measured from '73 on) he was over 6'5". Mr Clutch made a lot of big defensive plays when it mattered most and there were times when Elgin Baylor was hurt and West carried the Lakers on his back and great defense was part of how he did that. West is one of the greatest guards of all-time and definitely one of the greatest I ever saw.
@thsu8
@thsu8 10 месяцев назад
Jerry West and Kobe Bryant were both the best defensive guards in the league for 12 straight years. Why did you only mention Jerry and not Kobe?
@jingqi9106
@jingqi9106 10 месяцев назад
@@thsu8 My mention of Jerry West is not a knock on Kobe, Kobe was a great defender, of course. West tends to not get the attention he deserves because he played in an earlier era and recency bias is prevalent. I understand because younger fans didn't have the opportunity to see Mr Clutch, but I did and West was great on both sides of the ball.
@richardjackson5670
@richardjackson5670 10 месяцев назад
Great list. I would’ve had Jordan above Pippen for the simple fact he had a DPOY award, and MJ wasn’t just blocking guards. He was blocking centers as well.
@Slapshot544
@Slapshot544 10 месяцев назад
That's bad logic though. Rudy Gobert has multiple DPOY awards and Duncan doesn't have one but nobody would say Gobert is the better defender
@coreythomas3633
@coreythomas3633 10 месяцев назад
​@@Slapshot544EXACTLY 😅😅😅 THEY OVERHYPE THAT DPOY NONSENSE
@shaquille7414
@shaquille7414 10 месяцев назад
Something that’s not talked about enough is the fact that Mj actually guarded magic in most of the series in 91 even the last dance didn’t include that
@TheShiningMewtwo
@TheShiningMewtwo 10 месяцев назад
Exactly. Jordan guarded Magic for the majority of that series yet Scottie’s greatest defensive claim to fame is that he guarded the best opposing perimeter player more than Jordan. Jordan girded the opposing best perimeter player during their bulls tenure together just as much as Scottie did (20/39 series they played together). They were certainly equal defensively during their time together except Jordan was much better during his time without Pippen than Pippen was during his time without Jordan.
@michaelbarnes2126
@michaelbarnes2126 10 месяцев назад
@@TheShiningMewtwoMagic was cooking MJ tho 😂😂😂😂 Pippen was the one actually disrupting him
@moety2
@moety2 10 месяцев назад
Thank you. When I first heard bout this year ago, I was like huh. I watched those games live. I had to rewatch it so I didn’t think I was crazy. What Pip did do was pressuring Magic early messing up his flow. In his later years, MJ would pace himself. He played smart defense and went into lockdown mode at key moments. That change in intensity threw players off. It was beautiful to watch. Also, there is no doubt in my mind that MJ would have had 11 defensive selections if he didn’t retire the first time and came back at the end of the following season.
@g24deez
@g24deez 10 месяцев назад
​@michaelbarnes2126 right and Pippen had his hands full guarding James Worthy lil fella. Jordan guarded Magic majority of the Finals Series fella. Pippen guarded Magic in game two because Jordan got into foul trouble in the 1st quarter lil fella. Jordan started all five games against Magic lil fella lol. Don't 4get about James Worthy lil fella lol
@TheShiningMewtwo
@TheShiningMewtwo 10 месяцев назад
@@michaelbarnes2126 saying Pippen guarded Magic more or better than Jordan is like giving Andre Iguodala finals mvp in 2015. It’s giving undue credit to a lesser player for overachieving in their limited role.
@STONESGAM
@STONESGAM 10 месяцев назад
Sad to see Alvin Robertson didn't even make the honorable mention list. He was 3x steals champ and a 6 time all defense and a former defensive player of the year. Averaged almost 4 steals a game one year. I guess he wasn't a big enough name this list was basically all mainstream well known stars.
@joshuastinson3013
@joshuastinson3013 10 месяцев назад
This is a good call. Alvin Robertson was a MENACE defensively and a tough s.o.b.
@hakeemolajuwon4352
@hakeemolajuwon4352 10 месяцев назад
That's what I'm saying bro, these videos are influenced by so much personal bias and pressure from subscribers or the algorithm.
@hakeemolajuwon4352
@hakeemolajuwon4352 10 месяцев назад
Only player in history to record 300+ steals in a season the only player to record a quadruple double with steals, and there hasn't even been a player record 200+ steals since 2009
@STONESGAM
@STONESGAM 10 месяцев назад
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Michael Jordan himself said he thought Robertson was the best perimeter defender in the league in the 1980's.
@jonnyarnett
@jonnyarnett 10 месяцев назад
That’s fair. He should have got a mention. I might do a video like this in the future, but just for Guards. It’s way too hard for the smaller perimeter players to stand out amongst the rim protecting stars
@coolfool64
@coolfool64 10 месяцев назад
Jerry West should be worth an honourable mention as well
@petriberndtson153
@petriberndtson153 10 месяцев назад
I agree! I thought the same! I was actually even thinking that he could have been part of the top 10.
@kevinjohnson4498
@kevinjohnson4498 10 месяцев назад
Anyone else notice that most of Wilt's block highlights are hard blocks out of bounds, with the other team keeping the ball. But most of Russell's block highlights are soft blocks to himself or a teammate to start the fast break. Its the little things that separate Bill and Wilt.
@TheHaas123
@TheHaas123 10 месяцев назад
Well you also have to consider the momentum that a hard block brings in. Like I’m gonna be a lot more demoralized if I got swatted into the stands vs if someone taps it away
@kevinjohnson4498
@kevinjohnson4498 10 месяцев назад
@@TheHaas123 IDK I'd say that Russell soft blocking a shot to himself and then taking the ball down the court for a quick dunk is more demoralizing than your shot getting sent to the 2nd row.
@Mik-xq2co
@Mik-xq2co 10 месяцев назад
I bet you watched the video snippet of coach Auerbach, where he commented on this exact same topic. Auerbach is a great coach, no debate about it! He was also blessed with an absolutely stacked team from the late 50s through the entire 60s. He was also the biggest homer coach I have ever heard. If you did not play for Red, you were then sh*t to him. Auerbach’s beef with Wilt goes way back to his late high school and college days. Red would have absolutely LOVED having Wilt on his team. Don’t believe me, then read the following: Auerbach wanted Chamberlain to go to a New England university so the Celtics could draft him as a territorial pick. However, Chamberlain did not respond and went to Kansas instead.
@jingqi9106
@jingqi9106 10 месяцев назад
Having seen Wilt play, he did not block all shots out od bounds. For example, in '72 when wilt was the Finals MVP, quite a few of his blocks started fast breaks.
@kevinjohnson4498
@kevinjohnson4498 10 месяцев назад
@@jingqi9106 Wilt finally figured it out late in his career. But you are right, the few highlights that are soft blocks came in a Lakers jersey. I would rather have '72 Wilt on my team than '62 Wilt, despite the stats.
@BasketballJones48021
@BasketballJones48021 10 месяцев назад
Bobby Jones deserves AT LEAST an honorable mention… He can easily be argued as being a top5 all-time defensive forward! In 10 seasons, Bobby made the All-Defensive team 9 times (that’s tied for 6th all-time), and he was 1st team 8x, with 9 being the most! He would’ve been named DPOY if the award was given out back then! In 1977 he was 1st in votes for the All-Defensive team, anchored the best defense in the NBA, was 1st in the league in DRtg, 2nd in DWS, 1st in Defensive Box plus/minus, 6th in steals, 9th in blocks. Just one of the GOAT defensive seasons. You got Rodman at 3rd.. well, Bobby was like a young Rodman when it came to being able to lockdown players on the perimeter while also being great at guarding the post; both being lanky, long, and athletic. Bobby was also a beast at racking up those steals and blocks though. One of the most underrated players ever! And he offered much more than “just” defense. And yeah, Bill Russell is the GOAT defensive player, no doubt. Also got Hakeem at #2!
@jackearl5093
@jackearl5093 10 месяцев назад
Not to mention his teams were always very good.
@BasketballJones48021
@BasketballJones48021 10 месяцев назад
@@jackearl5093 I think he (or the teams he was in) ALWAYS made the Playoffs, every season of his career. Also was great in the ABA (in his 1st two years), and had a very good college run.
@ric2097
@ric2097 Месяц назад
Exactly...The Secretary of Defense ..says it all
@anthonyrashadmd
@anthonyrashadmd 10 месяцев назад
I just wanted to say that I know that you put a lot of time into these videos and I don't know how often you're appreciated but thank you for consistency, hard work, and dedication to your channel 🙏🏾
@labiodentale
@labiodentale 10 месяцев назад
The fact that Moses Malone wasn't even included in honorable mentions tells us how much he is underrated
@tomsinsky5548
@tomsinsky5548 10 месяцев назад
I was also thinking about Moses. So dominant!
@richardrawlins7803
@richardrawlins7803 8 месяцев назад
His defensive ability was greatly overrated by his rebounding numbers.
@jaceking5938
@jaceking5938 10 месяцев назад
Hey dude, i have watched so many hours of your content when im just zoning out but you have a really calming voice and have solid basis for all your opinions. Enjoy your channel immensely!
@camerenrandi
@camerenrandi 10 месяцев назад
Bobby Jones.........Bobby gave everyone the business on that side of the ball.......Cooper and Moncrief during that time held it down but the Secretary of Defense for those Philly teams, plus his ABA time........shout out to Mo Cheeks as well........Come on man!!!!! Love your content Bro!!!
@laz0rama
@laz0rama 10 месяцев назад
Good call on BJ, he was a beast
@BasketballJones48021
@BasketballJones48021 10 месяцев назад
No doubt, Bobby deserves AT THE VERY LEAST an honorable mention!
@jjohnson4013
@jjohnson4013 10 месяцев назад
Kobe and Gray Payton as graud 9x all defense still pretty good
@teejaye6226
@teejaye6226 10 месяцев назад
Aways surprising to see MJ at #10 of a top 10 list...but it's accurate. I'm always dubious about comping from the 50's and 60's. It was literally a completely different set of rules and athleticism. I've only been watching the NBA since 1982....but my eye test of the last 41 years says The Dream is #1.
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
The age doesn’t denote the impact or value. They deserve their love just as much as anyone else. Defense wouldn’t be where it is without them. And they are placed correctly because of HOW those guys dominated. We can’t look at bill russel any different than anyone else because of when he was born. Especially considering all the things bigs that guys like Hakeem were great at only exist because Bill quite literally invented modern day defense. There would be not shot blocking records if bill didn’t start the trend of vertical shot blocking. That alone earns bill and wilt their places in history. Not even mentioning just how accomplished overall they are as defensive anchors even without having the privilege of their major defensive stats counting. The advanced numbers and game film showcase defensive abilities and iq that translate to any time in history, not just theirs.
@teejaye6226
@teejaye6226 10 месяцев назад
@@TheIcemanthomas Great points ALL ☺️ Obviously great thought was put into ur comment....i respect that 😜
@javigar133
@javigar133 10 месяцев назад
Mate, I did not watch Bill Russell either, but when you look at the accomplishments, hear the opinions and watch a few old games on RU-vid, not giving him the top spot feels wrong. Hakeem is a great number 2
@high-defRJ
@high-defRJ 10 месяцев назад
All these guys are worth mentioning, but Alvin Robertson, and Sidney Moncrief are worth mentioning. Mark Eaton deserves a top 10 spot when he’s kinda like Dennis Rodman, built his career solely on defense and rebounding. And he was quite durable for most of his career until his last season in the league.
@blowc1612
@blowc1612 10 месяцев назад
Yeah this list is straight trash.
@OscarGomez-pq2em
@OscarGomez-pq2em 9 месяцев назад
Michael cooper
@dantealoving
@dantealoving 7 месяцев назад
Eaton was a great shot blocker but wasn't a great rebounder.
@FrokuBabayy
@FrokuBabayy 10 месяцев назад
Why does everyone think Pippen was the one guarding Magic the majority of the time for the 1991 NBA finals? His whole claim to fame against MJ as a defender rests on guarding the teams best opposing player for the majority of the time AND IT EVEN ISNT TRUE. MJ was the one guarding Magic. MJ was the one guarding Drexler. MJ was the one guarding Gary Payton.
@bryanttisdale2446
@bryanttisdale2446 10 месяцев назад
Because if you watch the series. Magic was posting up Jordan scoring over either shoulder. Pippen turned the series in Game 3. Pippen up Magic full court at times . Disrupting Lakers offensive. That's why!
@FrokuBabayy
@FrokuBabayy 10 месяцев назад
@@bryanttisdale2446 Uhhh Magic in gm1 dropped 10pts on Jordan on 4/5 shooting. What are you talking about? He literally averaged 18fga, and 20ppg dishing out 10apg against Pippen
@bryanttisdale2446
@bryanttisdale2446 10 месяцев назад
@FrokuBabayy I said game 3. Lakers where in finals with most efficient offensive in the NBA. What are u taking about. Watch gm 3 . Slow deliberate offensive replaced the showtime offensive showing how great Magic was. He could get to the Finals either way.
@bryanttisdale2446
@bryanttisdale2446 10 месяцев назад
@FrokuBabayy magic finals stats 19pts , 11 as ,10 reb 14pts, 10 as , 7 reb 22pts, 10 as, 6reb 22pts , 11as, 6reb 16pts ,20as , 11reb Classic Magic series. 🎩
@javigar133
@javigar133 10 месяцев назад
I watched those series recently (again), and Pip guarded Magic ... So, what are you hating about?
@alex4833
@alex4833 10 месяцев назад
Great video and list, Jonny! I knew Hakeem was great at stealing the ball and was familiar with Robinson's blocks and rebounding, but did not know that Robinson was great at steals. The late Harvey Pollack the one who unofficially tracked Wilt's blocks, correct? I learned about him through your videos :) Awesome video, Jonny! I felt some nostalgia as you discussed the players, especially Jordan, Duncan, and Garnett 😊. Have a nice week.
@robs9237
@robs9237 10 месяцев назад
The Bulls 96-98 had 3 players from this list. Wow. I think Rodman, Pippen, and Garnett are the most versatile defenders ever. Alvin Robertson deserved an honourable mention.
@RatedRex1
@RatedRex1 10 месяцев назад
Pippen was a great team defender. But not a great man-to-man defender.
@robs9237
@robs9237 10 месяцев назад
@@RatedRex1 Magic would disagree lol
@hristijandimitrovski8664
@hristijandimitrovski8664 10 месяцев назад
Ow about Hakeem???? Pippen isn't the most versatile, he can guard only from perimeter, he wouldn't be good defender if he was asked to guard centers.
@robs9237
@robs9237 10 месяцев назад
@hristijandimitrovski8664 Pippen was able to defend the 1 - 4 positions. That's versatile
@hristijandimitrovski8664
@hristijandimitrovski8664 10 месяцев назад
@@robs9237 Hakeem was able to guard all possitions. He just does everything that KG does, but better
@petriberndtson153
@petriberndtson153 10 месяцев назад
Great list. I truly agree with your top 4. The list after top 4 could have been different order. But top 4 was exactly correct!!! Thanks for your absolutely amazing BBall videos. I love them!
@homerthompson416
@homerthompson416 10 месяцев назад
Wildest thing about Russell was he was so quick off his feet he'd often tip the ball straight up on his blocks and then catch it for the rebound. Can't imagine how he knew the guys he was guarding so well to be able to anticipate their shots so accurately before the days of videotape, which is a lot of the reason Rodman was such a great rebounder for example.
@hakeemolajuwon4352
@hakeemolajuwon4352 10 месяцев назад
It helps when nobody was leaping up for high jump shots and nobody was dunking in the game
@reimixo
@reimixo 10 месяцев назад
They played like 10x Times against the same team every season
@michaelbarnes2126
@michaelbarnes2126 10 месяцев назад
He was beast of a defensive player and insanely athletic. Imagine if his blocks and steals were recorded he might have averaged a triple double in blocks at least close to it 😵‍💫🐐
@hakeemolajuwon4352
@hakeemolajuwon4352 10 месяцев назад
@@michaelbarnes2126 no he wouldn't. If he was playing against real athletes he would not even be mentioned
@michaelbarnes2126
@michaelbarnes2126 10 месяцев назад
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 sure buddy 😂😂😂 he was an Olympic high jumper but whatever you say lmao
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud 10 месяцев назад
Probably the hardest list to compile When Kobe, Gary Payton & Sydney Moncrief dont make the cut. Shaq is underrated defensively because its too complex to measure his defensive contributions but Shaq just being in the paint or Even Rotating altered Shots or even prevented them... Shaq cant block shots if no one drives the lane. Shaq could play defense on most centers because he just cancelled most out except of the Elite Ones and they play Stretch 4's & 5's when ever they faced him. Joe Dumars should have made Honorable list.
@MrReese
@MrReese 10 месяцев назад
I did not know Robinson was such a good defender (but I do know playing the Spurs in the 90s was always really tough). You always learn something new from Jonny.
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
How? That’s most of what he’s known for. Lol
@thecensoredmuscle563
@thecensoredmuscle563 10 месяцев назад
​@@TheIcemanthomashe's also known for scoring leader over Shaq, 71 point game and the quadruple double, which includes both offense and defense But if I recall, Robinson. Scored more points in his quadruple double than the other 3 guys who got quadruple double did.
@antwan1357
@antwan1357 10 месяцев назад
Great content keep up the good work.
@Irfanhill
@Irfanhill 10 месяцев назад
Great video as always! My top 10 is slightly different but yours is great and absolutely arguable.
@jooyichen
@jooyichen 10 месяцев назад
Imagine the "weak" era having the most best defenders of all time. The fact that the Jordan era misrepresented the 90s and made alot of players underrated makes me appreciate that era even more.
@AustinMulkaMusic
@AustinMulkaMusic 10 месяцев назад
Not weak just different. Couldn't double team on the perimeter. But you could be more aggressive in the paint. There were lots of rules that both made the era weaker and stronger. The game was just different. It was much more ISO oriented with man to man play.
@ashuprice9719
@ashuprice9719 10 месяцев назад
@@AustinMulkaMusicthe players were undeniably less skilled though
@othgmark1
@othgmark1 10 месяцев назад
Not a weak era of players but definitely of weak owners. Patrick Ewing did not have a single guy on his Knicks teams that could have even been a sixth man on the Willis Reed Knicks. He was not the only star player left alone on an island.
@romanramirez7847
@romanramirez7847 9 месяцев назад
⁠@@othgmark1Agree with this. The 90’s Knicks teams were really good, but weren’t nearly as elite as the Willis Reed Knicks. You have to think about just how LOADED the Reed Knicks were as a team. Reed had so many great wingmen on those teams (Walt Frazier, Dave DeBusschere, Earl Monroe, Jerry Lucas, Cassie Russell etc) and no one on the Ewing Knicks were really on that level the Reed Knicks were aside from Ewing himself. Oakley and Starks were both solid, but I’m going Frazier and DeBusschere here in terms of backup.
@mrlitl06
@mrlitl06 9 месяцев назад
@@ashuprice9719depends on how u define skill. Most of these defenders are in the “less skilled” era, but defense is definitely a skill.
@bballanalytics1552
@bballanalytics1552 10 месяцев назад
feel like actual defense skill isn't adequately represented by steals & blocks alone... defense is really a black box that has so many more intangibles that are ignored in terms of analysis
@alecboulton3537
@alecboulton3537 10 месяцев назад
All top 10 should be bigs, all. MJ isn’t a better defender than Dwight Howard. Even if you wanna do stats and DPOYs he wins 3 straight with league leading block and rebounding numbers. But if you know ball you know it’s all bids j off of impact. Love Jonny and his content and channel but I gotta disagree with him here
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
Duh
@beerpigs9764
@beerpigs9764 10 месяцев назад
Jonny pumping out the fire content ❤
@balbin0329
@balbin0329 10 месяцев назад
Great video.... you should do a video on the best perimeter defenders of all-time❤
@bballanalytics1552
@bballanalytics1552 10 месяцев назад
Johnny, have you considered an episode on ranking leaders by "secondary" assists, "screen" assists, deferred defensive rebound chances, contested defensive rebound percentage, value over replacement player (VORP), etcetera. I.E., categories beyond 5 major statistical categories?
@HiThere-ju3wg
@HiThere-ju3wg 10 месяцев назад
Day 1 of asking for a video on who would be your top basketball team of all time. 15 players, 3 players per position. It's not just about talent, but also chemistry. To make it more interesting, you can also pick which year of that player you'd decide on. The ultimate dream team.
@EdbergTan
@EdbergTan 10 месяцев назад
Great video as always! Any plans for best two-way players in history as well? And while breaking down the best of the best defensive players is already daunting enough, I can only imagine what it's like for top two-way players; criteria might be be subjective though, but it would put the shine on players with the total package.
@Cam101077
@Cam101077 10 месяцев назад
So great! Love it
@donshults7772
@donshults7772 10 месяцев назад
Michael Cooper was an exceptional defender who was frequently asked to defend much bigger players (Bird, Doc J) than Coop was
@eddie1680
@eddie1680 10 месяцев назад
I’d want to add John Stockton to the honorable mentions due to his multiple all defense team selections, 2x steal leader and all time leader in steals
@MurkDaMonsta
@MurkDaMonsta 10 месяцев назад
I wouldn't have left off Kobe, Dwight, or Coop. But, if we talk about Rodman's impact on Defense. You can't not talk about his rebounding. He was 6'8 and lead the league in rebounding multiple year's during the Era of the big man.
@anthonyurso3554
@anthonyurso3554 10 месяцев назад
Nah. I’d put in Wade to have more blocks than MJ is crazy. If comparing to Kobe Howard and what not but really if we had to add someone it would be Mutombo. Had 4 defensive player of the year awards
@MurkDaMonsta
@MurkDaMonsta 10 месяцев назад
@@anthonyurso3554 facts. He was a serious presents aline in the paint. But, he might get left off because if that 2001 finals. DPOY, said he didn't need help guarding prime Shaq. And well, that might kinda hurt your case.
@onlyfacts3178
@onlyfacts3178 10 месяцев назад
@@anthonyurso3554 Thats a myth..stop saying that lie.. Jordan has 893 blocks Carter 888. Wade has 885.
@FirstnameLastname-qb2bg
@FirstnameLastname-qb2bg 10 месяцев назад
@@onlyfacts3178you’re wrong Wade is first.
@onlyfacts3178
@onlyfacts3178 10 месяцев назад
@@FirstnameLastname-qb2bg ??? SO i am going to believe when you bring 0 FACTS 🤣🤣🤣🤣 WHY is he 1st??? JORDAN 893 CARTER 888 WADE 885 MAYBE you skip math classes or maybe you are the typical american who REPEATS what others say without THINKING. "DUNCAN is a PF" "WILT never lead the league in assists" Those are other MYTHS that people repeat like parrots without THINKING...
@slimypickle19
@slimypickle19 10 месяцев назад
Shocked the Glove didn't make the list, but it's very hard to argue against any of those top 10. Great list.
@tdude3164
@tdude3164 10 месяцев назад
I love the video after seeing timmy d on your list i didnt think you would include the admiral so mad respect that you did. Im not sure who id remove from your top 10 but not having kareem in the top 10 feels wrong to me
@reimixo
@reimixo 10 месяцев назад
Rodman is the ONLY guy I Saw guard Magic, bird, Jordan, shaq, Malone, barkley... He is my NR 1 defender and rebounder, dude was AVG 17 rebounds with David Robinson on his team!
@ItzJustJP
@ItzJustJP 9 месяцев назад
Great video!
@showtimenick824
@showtimenick824 10 месяцев назад
Jerry West and Walt Frazier both absolutely need to be honorable mentions!
@normanfrazin9851
@normanfrazin9851 10 месяцев назад
Add Jerry Sloan from that era
@joseignaciodelariva2039
@joseignaciodelariva2039 10 месяцев назад
Great list and video, as usual. Would have liked separate lists, one for guards/wings and another one for bigs. BTW, guys like Wallace and Rodman had the "advantage" of not being required to contribute much in the offensive end. Can you imagine Rodman being the same relentless defender if then he had to give his team 20 points as well every night?
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
That’s not really a good case considering we don’t do that in the opposite direction.we don’t talk about the guys that benefit from only scoring to downplay them. They play the role they are tasked with. Nothing wrong with knowing ur role.. that’s the point of a team in the first place. That’s why guys like Duncan, kg, Hakeem, etc are a luxury. Being elite on both ends isn’t normal.. most players are really good at ONE or two things. Very few are good enough at multiple things to have the responsibility of being not the teams top scorer and defender.
@jeremywashington4889
@jeremywashington4889 10 месяцев назад
I can respect this list, but Joe Dumars deserves a mention. He was a switch guard that could lock up both positions.
@cjc2010
@cjc2010 4 месяца назад
The Dream is criminally underrated. It’s actually disgusting how little he’s talked about.
@davidgavriel7963
@davidgavriel7963 10 месяцев назад
Love your videos!! You wrote Nate Thurmond twice Keep up the great work 👍
@jasonic-ks2tm
@jasonic-ks2tm 10 месяцев назад
As a very old man I remember mookie Blaylock being right there with Payton for the steals lead. Was a huge pest
@Rakeemgrant
@Rakeemgrant 10 месяцев назад
Mookie was a beast
@92GSXtacy
@92GSXtacy 10 месяцев назад
I'm glad to see the admiral getting love! Severely underrated player.
@BenniekdaReal
@BenniekdaReal 9 месяцев назад
Great list. 🙏🏾👍🏿
@vision910
@vision910 10 месяцев назад
Great list
@floydparr8006
@floydparr8006 10 месяцев назад
I feels like Jerry West is getting short changed because the NBA didn't track steals until his last season. As an old player struggling with injuries, he averaged 2.6 per game. He was definitely the best defender of his era after Bill and Wilt (when he was motivated to play defense).
@onlyfacts3178
@onlyfacts3178 10 месяцев назад
West is One of the best defensive players ever..but you Also have G.payton and Alvin Robertson at Guard positon. At Forwards people are forgetting Ron Artest and Kirilenko and B.Bowen..
@melvinhhcp3615
@melvinhhcp3615 10 месяцев назад
Jerry West is a great mention.
@thsu8
@thsu8 10 месяцев назад
34 year-old Kobe Bryant was also an "old player struggling with injuries" in the 2012-13 season while killing himself on both ends to will the Lakers into the playoffs as he made his 12th all-defensive team. Why did you only mention Jerry and not Kobe?
@onlyfacts3178
@onlyfacts3178 10 месяцев назад
@@thsu8 because in the 2000s all defensive teams were a popularity contest with no fixed positions..if it was by positions like for example when Kobe got in the NBA (97) Kobe would never got an all defensive team.
@onlyfacts3178
@onlyfacts3178 10 месяцев назад
@@thsu8 all defensive teams are for low IQ people.. Kirilenko one season was by far the best defensive player and he wasnt even named all defensive because he was Rússian. And how can you explain a center averaging 4 blocks per game not making all defensive teams in the 90s? All defensive teams are like i Said really dumb argument..it was ok to use it for Guards and Forwards untill the 00s.
@juliothom2408
@juliothom2408 10 месяцев назад
Sidney Moncrief and Dikembe are pretty tough omissions...
@itznotdatserious99
@itznotdatserious99 10 месяцев назад
I have no problem with your list! Very good list!
@Zamppa86
@Zamppa86 10 месяцев назад
I think Mutombo should have made into the top 10 over Duncan or Pippen. If Ben Wallace is in top 10, then Mutombo should be aswell because they are both 4x DPOY winners. Mutombo is also 2nd in all time blocks. I would have added Sidney Moncrief into the top 10 aswell. He won the first 2 DPOY awards and was one of the reasons the whole trophy was created. The stories tell that Moncrief was so good and versatile in defense that the leaders of the league decided they need to come up with a trophy to give to Moncrief and DPOY was thus born.
@keithjoseph128
@keithjoseph128 10 месяцев назад
Being voted "dpoy" became irrelevant when Gobert "won" three times while giving up twice as many ppg than he averaged.
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
I need the drugs you’re on. Dikembe isn’t anywhere near the defender that Duncan was. Dpoys and blocks don’t denote impact on the game. Timmy’s impact on defense was far greater than blockiny a bunch of shots. Check the numbers, check the metrics. Watch some games. Ben and Duncan led some of the most dominant defenses in basketball history in the 2000s. Dikembe did no such thing. Great rim protector. But that’s about all he did. Duncan did a lot more on that end than camp under the basket and swat shots all game.
@keithjoseph128
@keithjoseph128 10 месяцев назад
@@TheIcemanthomas you saying you want to do drugs makes everything else you say irrelevant.
@percivalpineda3219
@percivalpineda3219 10 месяцев назад
Mutombo can block shots like Gobert and Eaton but they are not as versatile and mobile like Duncan, Garnett, Wallace and Pippen. Guys like Mutombo, Eaton and Gobert can be made ineffective by playing the perimeter since they camp under the rim to block shots but defenders like the guys I have mentioned can really shot your whole team down by their aggressiveness, versatility and work ethic on defense.
@javigar133
@javigar133 10 месяцев назад
Mutombo over Pipen or Duncan??? Are you for real??? No mate, no
@user-jw5qj8kv2y
@user-jw5qj8kv2y 10 месяцев назад
Dikembe Mutombo and Patrick Ewing didn't win a championship in their playing days, but they were very good centers. In particular, Mutombo was a very strong center who won four NBA Defensive Player Award and six NBA All-Defensive Team award during his Hawks days.
@romank.5261
@romank.5261 10 месяцев назад
Ewing was good but not that great on the defensive end despite he averaged 2+ blocks. Do you remember the 6th man movie when Marlon Wayans said about him that he's only 7' who makes layups 😄 It is so he wasn't too agile to be mentioned as a good defender here.
@sideshowbobsaget8876
@sideshowbobsaget8876 9 месяцев назад
​@@romank.5261casual. Ewing is a top ten defender that led some of the greatest defense in NBA history
@romank.5261
@romank.5261 9 месяцев назад
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Show me some video proofs of his defensive prowess. I'm 40 y old so i saw how Ewing was playing. During that era his defensive abilities were average to extent that even Zo overshadowed him.
@lydellconner7451
@lydellconner7451 9 месяцев назад
​@@romank.5261you just haven't been looking,Ewing played defense,he was known for his defense before his offense when he first started playing basketball.
@romank.5261
@romank.5261 9 месяцев назад
@@lydellconner7451 i know he did play D. I'm telling his ain't the top 10 greatest
@drh3b
@drh3b 10 месяцев назад
Michael Cooper, I do see you gave him an honorable mention. Bird said he was the toughest defender on him, not Rodman, and he was generally guarding the other teams star. I know there's a clip of Cooper, in his last year, doing a pretty good job on Jordan.
@GenghisClaus
@GenghisClaus 10 месяцев назад
Michael Cooper more like Diapel Pooper
@tuntuu
@tuntuu 8 месяцев назад
Great list.
@averyce2
@averyce2 10 месяцев назад
AWESOME list! This was virtually impossible to dispute, but lets give it a try: #9 - Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1.0 SPG/Playoffs; 2.4 BPG/Playoffs; 4x Block Leader; 5x All Defensive First Team; 6x All Defensive Second Team)
@Trich174
@Trich174 10 месяцев назад
Draymond tearin his house up rn😂
@talesfromthetrip
@talesfromthetrip 9 месяцев назад
I love your takes because you are very unbiased. Even when I disagree with you, you still bring up solid points that I can’t deny.
@poooky321
@poooky321 10 месяцев назад
Scottie Pippen is the greatest on ball defender I have ever seen. Injuries ruined Alonzo Mourning's chance of making this list, but he was the shortest of the great centers in the 90s and he more than held his own defensively. He would challenge every shot. Loved watching him play.
@Mik-xq2co
@Mik-xq2co 10 месяцев назад
I would put Wilt number one as he not only had to carry the team on offense but as well as defense. He did not have five other HOFers around him like the great Russel did. Russel had one primary job and that was to defend.
@thsu8
@thsu8 10 месяцев назад
I came to the comments looking for the most casual take. Here it is.
@TheOGHoopByTheBook
@TheOGHoopByTheBook 10 месяцев назад
Great Video
@normanbell1410
@normanbell1410 9 месяцев назад
Excellent. I had Payton on my list. Didn't have Rodman, but you sold me with his versatility. Some really fine defenders on the near misses. I forgot all about Howard. He was a monster.
@jacksports7
@jacksports7 10 месяцев назад
Honorable Mentions - Dikembe Mutombo (Mt. Mutombo) - Gary Payton (The Glove) - Kawhi Leonard (The Claw) - Tony Allen (The Grindfather) - Draymond Green (Dray) - Rudy Gobert (The Stifle Tower) - Dwight Howard (Superman) - Sidney Moncrief (The Squid) - Kareem Abdul-Jabber (The Captain) - Michael Cooper (Coop) - Bruce Bowen
@mybestnugget7514
@mybestnugget7514 10 месяцев назад
You telling me Kawhi and Tony Allen are not in this video👀 I’m shocked
@maryshaw9541
@maryshaw9541 10 месяцев назад
Sad to see Tony Allen have no mention Kobe, KD, and Curry have said he was the toughest defender they went against.
@alecboulton3537
@alecboulton3537 10 месяцев назад
Almost all of these are better than mj lmao I love Jonny but idk why he’s inflating mjs defensive impact
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
Giannis, mark eaton, bill Walton, Nate Thurmond, Ron Artest, shaq,Bobby jones, hondo Havlicek, moodier blaylock, Alvin Robinson, cp3, jrue holiday, mo cheeks, dr j, Dave debuscherre, Walt Frazier
@mongoslade277
@mongoslade277 10 месяцев назад
​@@TheIcemanthomasBobby Jones AKA The Secretary Of Defense. Very good
@deepwaterrehab7685
@deepwaterrehab7685 10 месяцев назад
Tim Duncan is also one of two players (Bill Russell) with 100+ defensive win shares and he’s one of six players with 3,000+ blocks. Tim was a beast.
@spideysense1847
@spideysense1847 10 месяцев назад
Real hoopers know Timmy D the true 🐐
@d.ferris3964
@d.ferris3964 10 месяцев назад
I love the list! My only change I would make is bumping Garnett into the Top 5 based on his insane versatility (effective at guarding all 5 positions if needed) and intelligence on the floor…I might just switch him and Robinson. Hard to argue with the top 4. I like you had Rodman high, as his intelligence on defense is off the charts AND played the perfect role to what his team needed. One thing I will say, and this is not hating on Lebron, he isn’t even an honorable mention to me. I think he has more off seasons then seasons he was on…quit on his team way too many times.
@gideonnartey1262
@gideonnartey1262 10 месяцев назад
sound like you hating my guy
@andgar923
@andgar923 10 месяцев назад
I agree 100%. While some players can switch or slightly guard most positions, KG could literally guard EVERY position on the floor as his main assignment regardless of their height in an ‘elite’ level. KG can legit guard small/quick PGs the entire game and shut them down. KG can shut down elite perimeter defenders with no problem, then switch on 7 footers and shut them down as well. It wouldn’t be just a few plays or on switches like many players on this list. It wasn’t like he just sagged off players and used his length on smaller ones. He got up on them, moved his feet with them, then recovered like a 2 guard. Shit was unreal, unlike I’ve ever seen before even Hakeem didn’t do this as well. And huge eye roll on LBJ being included. I believe he did so to appease the onslaught of LBJ stans.
@javigar133
@javigar133 10 месяцев назад
Agree on LeBron should have been mentioned, but then I think those guys in the list played consistent D all their careers,vand LeBron kinda cool It off since 2017
@kylankendrick
@kylankendrick 10 месяцев назад
I've been waiting for this . I love defense , its what made me truly love this game . 1 bill russell , 2 scottie pippen
@nathanlawson313
@nathanlawson313 10 месяцев назад
Spurs had beautiful offense. Pistons with Ben Wallace had BEAUTIFUL DEFENSE! It should be mandatory that every coach teaches their attacking team defense. Five guys rotating simultaneously? 26 blocks verse Pacers game? Clamped Lakers into 11 shot clock violations in Finals game? Held Nuggets 22 straight possessions without a FG made? Held five Consecutive NBA teams UNDER 70pts? Locking down 06 West All Stars - literally? ...Tear in my eye just thinking about it.
@idiverse3457
@idiverse3457 10 месяцев назад
Best times to be alive as an NBA fan. As a kid, I was glued to tv during that playoff run. Matter, fact I still go on RU-vid those moments.
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
The spurs also had beautiful defense. They were typically one or two right with Detroit l.
@idiverse3457
@idiverse3457 10 месяцев назад
@@TheIcemanthomas it was but not as Electric and fun as Detroit's defense.
@AtlasAdvice254
@AtlasAdvice254 10 месяцев назад
Given the era of guards that he played in, I really think Kobe should be on the list. He holds the most all defensive team selections among all guards. Additionally, most of the defensive importance of centers in past eras came from the fact that a lot of offenses were paint and big man focused due to the lack of spacing. So if a guard in the post 2000s era was considered one of the best defensive players in the nba consistently as a guard then I think it’s fair to say that he has a place among the centers who were placed on the list for the same reason
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
Over who? Just saying he should be here doesn’t really say much because there’s plenty of players that u could make a case for. Who would he be over on this list?
@nicholashackie1407
@nicholashackie1407 10 месяцев назад
Factsss.
@nicholashackie1407
@nicholashackie1407 10 месяцев назад
​@TheIcemanthomas I think more so this list which just like nba dpoy voting, I feel is a lil bias toward big men and rim protection and not so much on ball defense. There is really only 3 legit on ball defenders ok this list which to me, shows that people don't seem to value on ball defense. I definitely feel kobe and Gary Payton should've made this list and I feel you can remove David Robinson and Ben wallace in my opinion.
@AtlasAdvice254
@AtlasAdvice254 10 месяцев назад
@@TheIcemanthomas I personally would put him around the 6-8 range
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
@@nicholashackie1407hat’s because no matter how valuable a on ball defender is, the front line will always be more valuable given that the most efficient and most utilized shot in the game is a layup or dunk. Therefore defense will always favor bigs. And that’s fine. Why can’t it be that way? Offense favors guards nowadays far more than bigs and no one complains that bigs don’t get as much mvp love because they don’t play as much on the perimeter to score in huge spurts like guards. We’ve taken enough from them. The one thing that they’ve always ruled over is defense. And that isn’t gonna change. They just cover more ground and effect more space than a guard can.
@NickPR87
@NickPR87 10 месяцев назад
I'lll keep bringing it up any chance I get, Hakeem is the most complete center in NBA history. He had the deepest offensive bag out of any big and controlled the paint, while being comfortable switching to defend perimeter players and disturb the passing lanes.
@shmoga
@shmoga 10 месяцев назад
kareem the GOAT center. skyhook all day RIP hakeem
@tropicmix8765
@tropicmix8765 10 месяцев назад
​@@shmogaoh you mean like when Hakeem on a team of John smiths beat the showtime Lakers in 5 in 86 and bitched Kareem?
@shmoga
@shmoga 10 месяцев назад
@@tropicmix8765 hakeem still had worthy and better depth then the lakers. what makes sports great is any team can win on any day. no doubt hakeem won that matchup. we alomst splitting hairs but kareems slighty better imo. tbh chaimberlains maybe the GOAT and were not even mentioning his name!
@javigar133
@javigar133 10 месяцев назад
Totally agree mate, Hakeem is the most complete, and the best IMO. but when It Game to D, Bill Russell is the GOAT.
@javigar133
@javigar133 10 месяцев назад
​@@shmogaskyhook, yes, but Hakeen was nowhere near the defender The Dream was. Both have a strong case
@cadecrusader3940
@cadecrusader3940 10 месяцев назад
Thanks Jonny!
@fortynights1513
@fortynights1513 10 месяцев назад
Video idea: If there had been an all defensive third team, just like All-NBA, what players would get recognized for their defense? Could be recently, or you could go over some specific years you find interesting.
@colebanville3372
@colebanville3372 10 месяцев назад
Shawn Marion is the first name to come to mind
@akkronym48
@akkronym48 10 месяцев назад
Considering that basketball reference has all-defensive vote shares going back to at least 1991, this wouldn't even have to be that speculative - there's 3 decades worth of data he could comb through and present to see who gets extra selections and how that changes their totals. I'd love to see a video like this!
@timtresch4848
@timtresch4848 10 месяцев назад
Shaq probably would have snagged a few of those. As it stands he got 3 all 2nd team nods, between his raw BLk/REB # and his name recognition he would have gotten a lot of votes from people scratching their heads looking for people to vote for 3rd team all defense. I don't think a 3rd team all defense is a nessacary award/accomplishment I think limiting it to 2 puts some extra merit on making the cut.
@bezllama3325
@bezllama3325 10 месяцев назад
​@@colebanville3372yup same for me
@akkronym48
@akkronym48 10 месяцев назад
@@timtresch4848 definitely agree considering how hard it is to evaluate season long defensive accomplishments via the eye test without something like raw counting stats to give you somewhere to start with apples to oranges comparisons (steals and blocks are obviously insufficient on their own). We don't need a third team all defense, but it would still be interesting to see folks who were regularly considered worth recognition by some and if that runs counter to or better supports the narrative of their careers.
@tones.melodies
@tones.melodies 10 месяцев назад
Dope video man! My View: I personally believe it's way harder to be an excellent all-time defensive guard than center/pf. As a guard you're literally chasing people all around the court, and defending again many more moves and skilled players. As a center (especially in older eras) you're only guarding post ups and lay-ups, so of course they'd have better stats.. Like, if you put some of the centers on this list on island with a point guard they are getting cooked. Stats aside, so thats why I'm including people like Kobe, Tony Allen, Bowen and Payton on the list instead of KG and Timmy.
@classicrockbeagle
@classicrockbeagle 10 месяцев назад
You nailed the top 2. Well done
@chidiokoro934
@chidiokoro934 10 месяцев назад
Been waiting on this video for 2 years
@AhsanAli-lt5rj
@AhsanAli-lt5rj 10 месяцев назад
One thing I disagree in is Pippen taking Magic in 1991, it was Jordan who guarded him for most of that series Pippen only took game 2
@jonnyarnett
@jonnyarnett 10 месяцев назад
Sure, but to be fair, I did describe that as a “moment”.
@AhsanAli-lt5rj
@AhsanAli-lt5rj 10 месяцев назад
@@jonnyarnett fair
@andgar923
@andgar923 10 месяцев назад
@@jonnyarnett Bro, that’s a poor take. Even in that “moment” Magic was scoring on him. Go back and rematch that “moment” and while Pip did good in 2-3 possessions he was getting beat the rest of the time. There’s a reason why MJ continued to guard him my dude. There’s TONS of moments in their career in which MJ had to cover Pip’s man as instructed by the coaching staff because Pip was getting beat. Pip was a free safety that roamed the floor, that was his strength not being a suffocating defender like you described. Sure he was still good, but he’s become highly overrated. It’s just disappointing that you made this oversight based on disproven narratives and myths. Still appreciate your effort tho.
@markjackson6431
@markjackson6431 10 месяцев назад
@@jonnyarnett PLEASE a video on Dream Team 2 (94 FIBA Team)
@bryanttisdale2446
@bryanttisdale2446 10 месяцев назад
Look at bill Simmons rewatch a bulls. Lakers vs Bulls. Pippen turned the series guarding Magic. Jordan was getting scored on. Phil gave the tough playoff assignment s to Pippen when it was on the line. Pippen guarded magic 91 finals. Pippen guard Gary Payton 96' finals (when Seattle won games 4,5) Pippen guard John Stockton the end of 97' finals. Jordan was unbeatable or without flaws.
@acornsucks2111
@acornsucks2111 10 месяцев назад
Good list. I'd rather go against Duncan or Russell than a prime Shaq. Can't believe you forgot Alvin Robertson.
@travismcnamara8919
@travismcnamara8919 9 месяцев назад
I would add Michael Ray Richardson to the honorable mentions, but great list and great video as always!
@chrisbrown9071
@chrisbrown9071 6 месяцев назад
I feel like dikembe should b in the top 10, but I can’t find anyone in your top 10 who should b bumped out! Great video yet again Jonny!
@bpsactclass2218
@bpsactclass2218 10 месяцев назад
According to a lot of reporters who observed Wilt play, Wilt also got a lot of steals. It's too bad Wilt's blocks and steals were not recorded for his entire career. His numbers would have been off the chart! He would have been Defensive Player of the Year multiple times had they had that award back then. There will never be another Wilt.
@HailKingCeezer
@HailKingCeezer 10 месяцев назад
Super unfortunate how much people overlook Dr. J's defense. He's the best defensive SF ever over Pippen, over LeBron, over Kawhi.
@RatedRex1
@RatedRex1 10 месяцев назад
I agree. He is the only player with 2000 steals and 1000 blocks.
@Sscr4pped.
@Sscr4pped. 10 месяцев назад
@@RatedRex1 hakeem,karl malone, and bron are the only players with 2k steals and 1k blocks
@javigar133
@javigar133 10 месяцев назад
Dr J was not the defender Pippen was, so stop it
@HailKingCeezer
@HailKingCeezer 10 месяцев назад
@@javigar133 Depends on what you value more-on ball or off ball. In todays switch everything, Julius is the best off ball defending active defender at his position and the best help defending /weakside shot blocker ever at his position-something LeBron gets known for and doesn't come close to Doc. Dr. J doesn't need to be allowed to play physical to be a good defender. All that said, Pips on ball defense has been overrated a tad. People rememebr the 91 Finals vs Magic. People remember him fronting Chuck. People remember him picking up point guards full court. Issue is, that Magic narrative is hype over 1 play where he picked up Magic 3/4 court and yet Magic still got by him and Pip needed help D to stop magic from scoring at the basket. Michael defended Magic most of that series. Chuck is shorter and could be fronted by any taller longer mobile F. He was a the mercy of the entrance passer. The point guards Pip would pick up weren't exactly explosive guys. We're talking Mark Jackson, Derek Harper, John Stockton. Mike on the other hand had to constantly run around screens and stay active off ball to defend his man of that era. Mike is the best off ball defender at his position and on ball, the stocks, advanced stats at his position. Mike meets more(all) criteria at his own position as best defender at his position ever than Pip does his own position b/c Pip is neither the best off ball(Dr.J), nor the best shot blocker(Dr.) nor the best def. win shares(DR J), nor the most versatile(LeBron), nor the best on ball(Kawhi). At his position, Pip is only the best at steals at his position.
@shamonbest106
@shamonbest106 10 месяцев назад
Great list! No argument from me. My only question is, do you consider the 96-98 Bulls post-prime trio of Jordan-Pippen-Rodman as one of the greatest collection of defensive players ever?
@michaelallen7961
@michaelallen7961 3 месяца назад
Good list.
@bballanalytics1552
@bballanalytics1552 10 месяцев назад
another video idea - who are the best "Box Out" guys, not necessarily best rebounders but players who prevented offensive rebounds and indirectly contributed to defensive rebounds.
@gavincampbell7488
@gavincampbell7488 10 месяцев назад
Hey Jonny; love the list! Would like to know why you didn’t include Dikembe Mutombo in your top 10? He is a 4x DPOY! Keep up the great content man! God bless!
@mookeychase0907
@mookeychase0907 10 месяцев назад
Great vid as always J, Sidney made 4 1st teams All D teams, Tony Allen made 3 plus he won 2 DPOY awards, Tony never won DPOY,Alvin made 21st team All D and four 2nd he also won DPOY in the 80s era of the big man either of thwm could replace TA prob Sid because od what hw did on the offensive side other than that the list is fine keep teaching bro you are a historian a student as a young guy thats quite rare and I love it bro👊🏽👊🏽
@joshjacobs4948
@joshjacobs4948 10 месяцев назад
Great top 10. Mo cheeks and Alvin Robertson on HM as well
@yuriykhasidov1626
@yuriykhasidov1626 10 месяцев назад
You do understand a center is always you’re best defender at least it was the case till the age of position-less basketball. Ewing is a must in a list like this but once again he is missing replaced with people like pippen and others. You should of looked at Defensive win shares and defensive ratings. Ewing makes top 10 in both!
@greysengarrard6497
@greysengarrard6497 10 месяцев назад
I think that Dikembe should’ve made the list because he was blocking dudes a lot and made scoring difficult for the other team
@Zoot004
@Zoot004 10 месяцев назад
This casual left out a fucking four-time DPOY.
@alecboulton3537
@alecboulton3537 10 месяцев назад
Also left out Dwight Howard. Put in MJ though.
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
Blockiny is great but it isn’t the only thing that defense entails. He wasn’t as impactful a defender as anyone on this list.
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
@@alecboulton3537do I have any real reason Dwight should be over mj? Just saying it doesn’t make it true. U gotta have something to back that up.
@Zoot004
@Zoot004 10 месяцев назад
@@TheIcemanthomas Dwight is a three-time DPOY. That alone should put him over MJ, imo. MJ was not even the best defender on his team.
@rafaellemkedepaola515
@rafaellemkedepaola515 10 месяцев назад
Besides underrating tim duncan the list is on point. Great vid.
@gardenballer6619
@gardenballer6619 10 месяцев назад
Great job giving Five O so props. Drob was freakishly quick and was an absolute monster on D.
@omez23
@omez23 10 месяцев назад
Jordan was actually a better on ball defender than Pippen. In the 98 season, Pippen got schooled by Iverson and Grant Hill. Phil Jackson switched and put Jordan on them, and he shut them down. He is the best perimeter defender of all time. Pippen was more of a help defender and plays great team defense.
@dododump3144
@dododump3144 10 месяцев назад
Jordan isn’t the best perimeter defender of all time that goes to either Walt Frazier or GP
@etanabu2232
@etanabu2232 10 месяцев назад
@@dododump3144 fr im so confused why hes on the list
@homerthompson416
@homerthompson416 10 месяцев назад
Didn't Pippen have back injuries in 1998? Never seemed like he was the same player after them.
@dododump3144
@dododump3144 10 месяцев назад
@@etanabu2232 because the list is mainly based on steals blocks and reputation as a defender and not how they actually played defense
@docallentv
@docallentv 10 месяцев назад
He did not shut down iverson. And how can Kobe and GP have the most all the defensive teams but not be on the list ?
@baileyv5239
@baileyv5239 10 месяцев назад
I find it mind blowing that Kawhi wasn’t even an honorable mention, he and Scottie are the two greatest perimeter defenders ever
@zxcvb3772
@zxcvb3772 10 месяцев назад
He was there though? Under Gary Payton.
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 10 месяцев назад
Kawhi played3 years at that level. Not anywhere near enough time to be on that list. And he is NOT the greatest or even second greatest perimeter defender. Stop it.
@ila83
@ila83 10 месяцев назад
@@TheIcemanthomas kawhi has made the all defensive team 7x along soth 2 dpoy .. stop it
@javigar133
@javigar133 10 месяцев назад
Kawhi is not better than MJ... And he was 10th
@javigar133
@javigar133 10 месяцев назад
Brilliant list Jonny! I dont have much to add except Tim could have been ranked higher than KG, but OK. Jerry West and Wade could have been mentioned. Great clip
@c99kfm
@c99kfm 9 месяцев назад
I'm missing Jason Kidd, at least on the honorable mentions. 11th all-time in defensive win shares, 9 all-defensive teams, 4 of those 1st team - pretty nice for a point guard.
@vernonleewarren280
@vernonleewarren280 10 месяцев назад
Number 1 is absolutely correct!
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