The Snow Queen (Frozen) Rapunzel (Tangled) The Bear and the Bow (Brave) Someone working at Disney: You know what would make these titles better? Adjectives!
I know I never saw it coming (You could tell something was off about King Candy, but you could never tell exactly what). I legit couldn't sleep that night because how they did it was done so creepily and shocking and at an already high tension moment.
I never saw it, and when it happens I was so surprised and also kinda happy because it didn't seem like there was a true villan until then, or at least when he was messing with codes and such
Oh come on....they couldn't have made Hanz being the bad guy more obvious, unless they were jumping up and down with a picket sign. "the perfect new stranger comes into town, and Anna falls in love right away. On an adventure, you see Anna not fall in love with Kristoff right away, and let the witty banter pursue.". What part of that have you not seen 1 million times
Those were lots of cliches that I've seen several times. "Cliche" isn't to complain, just saying. And when first viewing, by the time we got to Olaf's song, I was a little tired of the music and for reasons I don't know, bored with the direction. (Not trying to insult Frozen fans. There was still stuff I did like in that movie). So having a weird twist wasn't expected, I was just like "They're throwing that in? Okay." Anything off or weird wasn't a surprise by this point, I guess.😊
"Love is an Open Door" is what tipped me off completely to the twist in Frozen. It was TOO happy and TOO perfect and I just thought, "He's totally gonna do something wrong." I couldn't watch the rest of the movie without anticipating the inevitable, and I admit, the narrative did try to throw me off, but I still couldn't shake it. And then it happened, and I was probably the only "yep," in the sea of gasps around me in the theater.
hans never even mentioned love... he never said anything about love in that song. He talked about his 12 elder brothers, and how he wanted to rule. Frozens twist wasn't really a twist for me.
something that doesn't make sense in the way Ray dies is that he is a fly and he was crushed by a boot. he would not have had a body anymore. he would have gone splat you know. but i guess leaving him as a yellow stain on the sidewalk would have been a bit too dark...
+Line Poulsen Petty nit-picking on my part, but fireflies are a touch more robust than most flying insects, so he would've been relatively intact. Although, even with that in mind, all of his glowing juices would've been splattered out of his body...and he wouldn't have been flickering like that, just gradually fading out like a glow stick.
***** I was more surprised about the Hans being the villain , then king candy being turbo :p But I knew there was something with Hans, I just tough their love wasn't meant to be and Anna would be living happely ever after with Christophe :p I was just choqued at the way how he turned out to be the villain :p I think if you watch the movie for the first time, you know there's something wrong with Hans, but not that he's the bad guy I think (sorry for the bad englisch)
I agree with these but how is King Candy is actually Turbo from Wreck-it Ralph not on here? We all knew King Candy was the villain, but the fact that he was Turbo actually really shocked me. I never gave any mind to the flash back as I thought it was just a way to show exactly what'll happen if they don't find Ralph. Also I can agree with that Toy Story 3 moment. I started to lose hope that they would make it.
I wondered the same thing. I remember when I first saw Wreck-It-Ralph, that scene is full of enough tension as it is, but when I saw King Candy begin to glitch I just remember thinking 'what?'. Then the reveal happened and my jaw couldn't have hit the floor any quicker. It completely took me off guard, and to this day it is one of the reasons it is my favourite Disney films. The plot is great, but the masterful way that this twist was done still blows my mind.
To this current day, I think the one Disney animated moment I found the most jaw dropping was when Assistant Mayor Bellwether revealed herself as the villain in Zootopia. Seriously, throughout the whole movie, we don't see her convey a hint of evil. She just comes across as the nice, helpful character who supports Judy all the way. So, I was absolutely shocked when Bellwether revealed her true colors later on. It was an even bigger shocker to me than it was with Hans in Frozen.
+Florica Anderson True, I got spoiled on the movie that she was the villain but if I didn't get spoiled then I probably wouldn't have seen it coming.. My cousin knew it from the start though, said she was a little TOO nice And my mom who is an expert at revealing twists got it too
I was watching Toy Story 3 with one of my best friends in the theaters. at the "the incinerator" scene, we both start crying and holding hands until it was over! greate memories :"3
Man, I saw it in theaters too and that incinerator scene had me hooked! It looked super amazing on the big screen and I knew that it was the last Toy Story movie so I had an actual thought wondering, "Is this going to be the end of them?" Which was saying a lot because when did Disney ever kill off their main characters, but still, I couldn't help, but wonder! Then the claw came in and I was felt super relieved! :)
To be honest, I really like Brave. Maybe the reason why is because I never saw any trailers for it, so I never got into the hype or set up my expectations- But besides that, it's a pretty great daughter-mother movie. With the right audience this movie can honestly connect people.
Galactirabbit that's exactly my reaction. I didn't really know anything about it, though I thought Merida was the one who was going to turn into a bear. But I watched the movie with my mom, and it was a great experience.
Honestly Brave is some much more, she change her fate, Disney made a strong female who didnt want a man, and it showed that the mom finally understoud her daughter. Alot of Diseny doesnt show mothers and if they did they are step moms and so this was a real love movie between mother and daughter, unlike frozen that showed sister and sister love. But its more then love its a bad ass chick wanting the change the fact that she has to be slowed down by a man. a Princess can rule with out a man at her side and no other Disney movie shows that, in that of an intensly way. If you had a chance to change your fate would you.
Nathan Schubert The early trailers were meant for entirely different type of movie, before they rewrote it. It was supposed to be called The Bear and the Bow, but was found too dark or something so they had to change it. The original writer was mad.
All I remember is how Brave and Princess and the Frog were my fave movies. I never watched the Brave trailers and I still adore the movie, and I also love princess and the frog.
Cerise4697 Awww, man. I've found my people! c: Nobody that I know in real life likes this movie as much as I do...they only watch it with me because they know it's my favorite.
Many will disagree with me here, but to me Hans is still the best Disney villain ever. Why? Well for one it was unpredictable after seeing how well he cared for the people of Elsa's kingdom, his determination to save Anna, and his overall nice tone, but it's all just a ruse to hide what he really is. Finally he's realistic. Believe it or not this kind of thing happens to a lot of women, a man lures them into a state of acceptance and love and then just completely takes advantage of them.
He's definitely one of the most realistic villains! Frollo could give hans a run for his money though, a tyrant who uses peoples own beliefs against them as well as forces his own beliefs among others, one who sees error in all but himself, who gets control by taking it. He's got the traits of a rapist, he's all about power, he didn't even want Esmerelda for love, but he liked the idea of having control over her.
Ally Gator Animator Mother Gothel is actually one of my favorite villians! She was the most effective villain for me to because i couldn't help but want her to be good. She seemed so motherly and kind until the end and that shocked me so much!
Another great list Lewtoons. Oh and for Number 8, those who say "That's not the devil!!" if we've learned anything from Nostalgia Critic, that is indeed the devil. When I first saw the beginning of the movie Up I was like, "What the F*** Pixar!?" But now I find myself jaw dropping over the idea of Spongebob getting another movie as well as Dumbo getting a live action movie. Yea, no joke. D=
There's gonna be a live action Dumbo?! Why?! SO many stupid movies coming in the future...I heard that they were going to make a movie about those little easter peep candies. Also power rangers, sonic the hedgehog, and even ratchet and clank are getting a movie. Seriously, not everything has to be a movie these days! And yeah, the live action spongebob will be really bad. Nickolodeon already screwed up TMNT and the fairly odd parents will horrible live action movies (Sad to say it, but I kind of liked the TMNT one). Nick really needs to get their act together.
That's not all. Alvin and the Chipmunks are getting there own CGI cartoon on Nickelodeon in 2015 or 2016 maybe. I can't wait to see what they do with it.
Y'all know that Evangeline is the star Geppetto wished upon, AKA the Blue Fairy. And once they are finally together in that big black sea of a sky, they make Neverland.
Even if it wasn't much of a jaw-dropper for me, Ray's Death was a major tearjerker, not because of the actual death, but when the new star appeared in the sky (If that was actually it; I haven't seen the movie in a while). I usually cry more out of happiness than out of sadness, anyway. Maybe you could to a Top 10 or tearjerking moments in Disney? Even if some of them were probably in this list, it could be nice to see.
The incinerator scene got me so upset, I was choking on my tears. It was so emotional and just amazing, different from most Disney deaths, or scenes that make you think that they actually die.
Yes, I spend my days off watching Disney and cartoons. I am a big fan of Spongebob. If you like Spongebob, we should meet up and watch one day. And as for young master, he shall get his evening tea WHEN I'M FUCKING READY TO GIVE IT TO HIM.
YAY Disney Month is back!!!!!!!! To be honest I had completely forgotten about it until just now seeing this video show up in my subscription feed and I gotta say, great list to start it off on. I definitely agree with many of the choices on this list. Also really glad to see that Hans' backstabbing Anna made it on here. I still remember when I first saw it in theaters the weekend it opened. When it got to that scene, I shit you not, the entire theater just gasped out loud(including me). That has got to go down in the Hall of Fame of Greatest Movie Plot Twists In History right up there with Empire Strikes Back, Planet Of The Apes (1968), and The Sixth Sense among others. Anyways loved this video and looking forward to more Disney themed countdowns this month.
LewToons It truly is one of those movies that in 15-20 years from now will be an immediate Disney classic if it hasn't already which I'm inclined to think it has.
TheRainbowPlanet i can understand why. i think it would take away from the feeling of the movie and it wouldn't be as strong but i'd probably still like it
As two honorable mentions, I wanna add Flynn's death (Even though he's later revived. I mean, c'mon, HE GETS STABBED), and Jim Hawkins backstory in Treasure Planet, just the way that they show how his dad left his family. There's no words at all, just the imagery and an amazing music choice show it. On a side note, was I only one that liked Treasure Planet? ...Yes? Well that sucks.
I love Treasure planet it is probably in my opinion the most underated disney movie, It is one of those rare disney momments where abandonment is driving plot point of our characters and it doesn't turn out just to be because of love or just "It's better this way", It is a serious scene of neglect which never gets addressed that is ballsy for disney
Jonarrthan I totally agree! It would probably be in my top ten favorite Disney movies, really. And I really do agree about the abandonment being a plot point thing. *reaches out for fist bump*
Zero Wat Returns the first bump. (no Idea how to do bold). I think the only other example I can think of is the openning to Oliver and company but that is just natural for kittens
Bro, I've never seen Oliver & Company. Number 4 made my jaw drop. THAT NEVER HAPPENS, WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY DO THAT?! And I respectfully disagree, I love Brave, shes been my favorite Disney Princess since 2012. And the original title was going to be The Bear & The Bow, which sounds much better to me, personally. And number 1 made my jaw drop as well.
grillingdrugs It really was! I mean, you knew he was up to no good, but it wasn't really clear why. And then the big reveal and everything just clicks together!
i have to point out that without that plot twist actually i don't think the movie would have been so successful..without Hans, who is the villain? Elsa? O.o seems to me that there could have been a lack of conflict and a really childish plot..
I really liked Hans too, but the movie does hint that he is the bad guy when he says how many older siblings he has. For me that was a giveaway, although I spent the rest of the movie hoping that he would decide to become one of the good guys in the end.
Mikoto Chan The bad guys could have been the villagers like in beauty and the beast. Then there could have been a whole rescue plot where the characters each learned their important lessons as they saved Elsa from being burned at the stake or something. Hans could have realized that tricking Anna wasn't worth being king and could have confessed. Then Anna would learn that she needs to take her relationships slower and they could finish the movie as friends. Christoff could have fit in there somewhere. Endless possibilities.
Mulan was my favorite for a while until I watched Princess and the Frog. ^_^ Tiana's my favorite now, with Mulan a close second. I've only seen Brave once, but I remember liking Merida, so she'd probably rank higher if I saw the movie a few more times.
I love the Princess and the Frog and Brave. They are some of the most underrated Disney films besides The Emperor's New Grove, Lilo and Stitch, The Great Mouse Detective, and The Rescuers Down Under.
I once heard that, some guys bought the Toy Story 3 movie and edited it, so when the toys all hold hands at the incinerator, the movie fades to black! And then they showed to someone ( their parents, I think )! XD SO FUNNY
You are correct in your theory that "Brave" was originally called something else and was changed to more appeal to the male demographic. Early in production, the film was referred to as "The Bear and the Bow" before it was changed to make the title more vague. Much like "Tangled".
Joseph Ferri Then leave. If you did not get teary eyed or even feel sad then what kind of heart do you have? The "hard to impress" kind I'm guessing? Yeah... sure... whatever... Stop watching them anyways if you think they're bs.
Yaaas every time!!! The first 8 minutes and im already crying! When i first saw it I completely blocked out the rest of the movie bcuz i was crying so much! And then the end! And like every part, its totally my favorite movie.
Was I the only one who actually expected Hans to be the bad guy? Like as soon as soon as Anna was all like "Hans I leave Arendelle in your hands while I'm gone" I knew he was going to be the antagonist.
As brave is one of my favourite Disney movies I feel the need to clear these things up. The fact is that brave was a very fitting name for the movie itself as it shows how she had to understand her destiny and given line of life , and stand but her mother at the time and save her mother when she turns into a bear that was caused by meridians selfishness
Mother Bear was probably the original title. : P A rip off of Disney's own animated movie. : P Seriously when I saw this movie, that's what popped into my head. Brave is basically Brother Bear all over again with some slight changes. :/
GaarasIchibi88 Yeah...Brave has got to be the biggest let-down in movie history for me. If we HAD gotten the film the trailer promised us, it could have been one of the greatest animated features of all time! The epic feel, the fiery protagonist, the gorgeous backdrop of the Scottish lowlands...but instead we got a stupid family sitcom. Merida was nothing more than a whiny brat, and the beautiful setting was wasted. I mean, the story could have taken place at any time period and in any location and it wouldn't have made a difference! Brave can be summed up in two words: WASTED POTENTIAL. It was the first film the writer/director had spearheaded, and hopefully, it'll be the last. She hasn't made anything since, thank god.
"I dislike my destiny, so I'm going to give my Mom a cake to force her to change my destiny. I have no idea if this will kill her, sap away her free will, possess her, or what, but my Mother's safety is not as important as me changing my destiny."
Me too!! When they were going to kiss I was like, "OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" And then, BOOM. HE LEAVES ANNA TO DIE!!?!?!!??!?!?!!??!?!!??!??!?!?!!? I was foaming at the mouth by then.
XD But honestly, in a way, Kristoff and Anna seem to fit better. It's kind of a cliche, you know, a lowly guy getting married to a princess. Same thing with Tangled. A thief later gets married with a lost princess.
Since it's Disney month again, will you make a Top 10 Disney Sequel List or a Top 10 Disney Prince List (based on how interesting they are and what they actually do).
The Facebook page voted on which list they wanted to see most - - and they voted on "Top 10 Disney Princes" so look forward to that towards the end of the month :)
Up is one of my favorite movies because of that first bit, it really showed you how close they were in a matter of seconds. It really does make the trailer look better!
My jaw dropping Disney moment would have to be The Destroyed Village scene from Mulan, i didn't really realize that much of it but then when I watched it when I was older I just was like😳, with the atmosphere, the color scheme, and the Score done by the Legendary Jerry Goldsmith it makes it even more Dark, plus there are even DEAD BODIES of the Imperial Army and horses, FREAKING HORSES, and the real reason this is Jaw dropping and dark is because it shows something that Disney hasn't touched upon in years, The reality of War, and that's was my Jaw Dropping Disney Moment P.S. I think that that scene might have been Darker than Mufas's Death P.P.S. Don't judge me and don't call me a Monster, I'm not Heartless unlike Donald Trump, everyone has Different Opinions and this is mine
Oh my goodness it was so obvious!! Story time!: My sister and I were at a local Target about two months before Frozen was released and we were both worried about the film. Then we picked up a children's book for Frozen and just looking at the cover with the four main characters and I jokingly pointed at Hans saying "oh he's gonna be the bad guy!" Then we read the storybook and what d'ya know, I was right! Then we watched the movie when it came out, and I still thought it was obvious but I was surprised coming out of it really liking Hans. By the time he sang Love is an Open Door, I really wanted to be wrong! I thought he was great and really didn't want him to be "bad"!! But whatever he's still good in my eyes...and in some fanfiction. The Duke of Weselton was the real bad guy!! He should atone for his crimes for attempting to murder the Queen! The whole town wanted her dead to stop the winter!! But he was the one who got blamed why? Because he hurt pwoor Anna's fweelings! And what did the Duke get? Oh you're not our trading partner anymore bye! Wtf!! And Hans was a heck of a better ruler than they could ever be. And Anna and Elsa's parents were terrible! Like seriously... Oh now I've started ranting.
Littlekitty567 I am kind of confused by this statement as Frozen was based off of the ice queen which the villain is the actual ice queen. If I remember correctly the only Hans in that book is the auther. Also if memory serves the original script for frozen also had elsa has the villain until they composed "let it go" and then the sound was liked so much they redid the script to fit it in.
To be honest, one of the biggest jawdropping moments, with Frozen, for me was the climax of Let it go when Elsa single-handedly raises her ice palace. I remember seeing this movie in theaters for the first time and thinking the first half of the film just looked beautiful as any Disney or Pixar film would. But the combination of camera mastery, stunning visuals and gorgeous music in this one scene had me in actual tears by the song's end, still does. And that one scene inspired me to pursue a career in animation.
When I went to watch Frozen and that scene came up with Hans I swear I heard like 2 guys go "NO YOU DIDN'T!" and "WHAT A BASTARD!" then one little voice said "Daddy!"
Gosh, I've been watching a few of your Disney countdown videos here, and now I really feel like putting in all my Disney DVDs and VHSs (yup) and having a great old Disney marathon.
I watched "Frozen" on opening night and during the Hans reveal there was this collective gasp throughout the theatre. I on the other hand was mildly suspicious of him because...reasons.
When I had already seen frozen before watching it with my Mum. and she was also rooting for Hans and was getting really annoyed how Anna and Christoph's characters were getting closer. She said things like "what's wrong with that other guy? Are they forgetting the fact she's already engaged to him?" etc. It was so funny keeping it a secret for the whole film waiting for her reaction.
Mufasa's death the most iconic death in Disney movies? I dunno, I know quite a few people still bawling their eyes out over Bambi's mother that may not agree with you.
Sad to say I really can't agree with number 4. I thought the plot twist was handled really poorly. For it to really work, there needed to be some kind of hint, however subtle, that Hans had sinister motives. But there were NONE. Hans was a thorough good guy for the first half of the film. In fact, he was such a good guy that many of his actions make LESS sense after the twist. For instance, Elsa would've been killed by the Duke's henchmen if it weren't for Hans. He could've let her die. He should've let her die. His whole goal was to bump off both Anna and Elsa and take over Arendelle. If he'd let the Duke's henchmen finish her, she'd be out of the way and the Duke would take the fall instead of him. And yet he helps save her life, for no reason! The King Candy plot twist in "Wreck-It Ralph" was MUCH more well done. :(
The reason he doesn't let the Duke's henchmen kill Elsa is because he didn't know where Anna was or if she was even alive. If Anna was dead and Elsa was killed by the henchmen, he wouldn't be able to take over because he wasn't an heir yet.
FanOfAnimation How does leaving Elsa alive help get him to the throne? She's the one on the throne! She's the number one thing he needs to remove. If Elsa dies, then the throne goes to Anna. And he's engaged to Anna. So there you go. He literally could not have asked for a better set-up than the one fate handed him, and he threw it away. Besides, if his reason for keeping Elsa alive was because he wasn't a proper heir yet, then why did he try to kill Anna before they were married? He's in no better position to inherit the throne after he saves Elsa's life then he was before. Why didn't he, at the least, wait until he married into the family before betraying them? This character just makes no sense to me.
Raving Rando I don't know. I figured that since he didn't know the whereabouts of Anna, he wanted to keep Elsa alive as a backup. And when he left Anna for dead, he could have tricked them into believing they had gotten married.
If you watch that scene again, more closely, you'll notice that he actually peers up for a second before re-aiming the henchman' bow. He purposely AIMS it towards the chandelier in the hopes that it will look like he tried to save her, but out of sheer "bad luck" the chandelier falls on her and kills her instead. However, that spur of the moment plan didn't succeed, so he needed to lock her up alive instead.
Silver Samurai26 I'm sorry, but it still doesn't make sense. Hans and the soldiers barge into Elsa's chamber to see her apparently murdering two guards. All Hans had to do was act stunned by what he was seeing, for just one second; then Elsa would've succeeded in killing Wesselton's assassins and she would've been exposed as a killer in front of everyone. Both Hans and Wesselton could have exploited that angle to no end. Second, Hans could've acted like he didn't notice the assassin was aiming for her; Elsa didn't notice, so it would have been believable. While he may have had reason to act like a hero in front of the soldiers, there was *no reason* for him to actively save Elsa from the assassin... other than to convince the audience that he was still a good guy, and I'm sorry, but that's really bad writing. In any case, it would have been much harder for Elsa to dodge a speeding arrow she wasn't prepared for, than a falling chandelier that she noticed. And even if I was to buy that excuse, think about it. In the span of half a second, Hans manages to grab the guard's arm, and (without looking down the sight, mind you) aim it perfectly at an inch-wide chain, 50 feet above him. That is nonsense. Not even Legolas could have pulled that off.
+TanaVlogs The first time I saw Frozen in theaters, a lady gasped really loudly at that line. I can't remember seeing many movies where someone audibly gasped at a plot twist.
The mother daughter relationship in Brave is the main reason I love it so much. Probably because my mother and I fought a lot when I was younger, but now we get along fine.
The toy story one sure had me crying and heart pounding and ok, this isn't disney-related one,but my most current jaw dropping scene has to be THAT one particular scene from How to train your dragon 2 ;_;
I can't stand that series, because they just used the books name, redesigned some of the characters and then created an entirely new plot with different characters. It just makes me sad because the book series is so good.
***** That's my main issue - it shouldn't have been called how to train your dragon. It should have been anything else, but naming it after the series then completely ignoring the books was pointless. I do enjoy it, but I can't like it because I know that the only reason I went to watch it was because they called it how to train your dragon and tricked me into watching something that was not that.
*SPOILER* When I watched that part I was crying. My Aunt was sitting next to me and kept complaining about it. She was saying things like, "No way! They can't kill off the father! Can they? Nooo! It's a kids' movie! What?? He's dead??? WHAT??" *SPOILER*
I saw the twist in frozen coming a mile away. There's no way Disney would make TWO guys who are both good. That's CRAZY. One's has to be good and one has to be bad. Because then the woman would have to choose and Disney isn't going down that road. This way the decision is made for her.
I honesty just thought that Hans would end up with Elsa, so that the love-triangle would be settled that way. Like for instance the scene where Elsa is about to kill some mofo and Hans wisely is all like "no bitch, dont act like a monster and shit cause that would totally suck!" I thought the movie was setting up for them to become a pair.
Great list! Hanz was sort of ruined for me, but I loved the plot twist with Goob in Meet the Robinsons. I so didn't expect that! And god damn Toy Story 3. Combine that incinerator scene with that ending and that movie ruined me like no other animated movie had in a LONG time.
Oops I should have finished the video before commenting because HOW COULD I FORGET ABOUT RAY! Besides Toy Story 3, that scene was the first in a long while to make me cry at an animated movie.
I ended up going home from the theater and digging out my old favorite beanie baby and playing with her for twenty minutes after toy story three... and I was 22 at the time (I think... what year was the movie again?)
Chad, I'm... gonna have to disagree on #9... especially compared to another moment from that same movie. You think Frollo sniffing Esmeralda's hair is shocking? How about the scene BEFORE that where we all see Quasimodo getting crowned the King of Fools in thunderous cheers, only to have tomatoes tossed in his face and have his body roped to a spinning table, while everyone is making fun of him? You mean to tell me that THIS moment wasn't jaw-dropping enough? Dude, poor Quasi goes from having fun, to being exposed, to being crowned and then to being humiliated in public. Phoebus tries to help but in vain; Frollo, despite his hatred for gypsies, lets them continue; only Esmeralda stood up to protect him. Like... ouch... just... ouch... I'm so sorry, but that moment shocked me a lot when I saw this in theaters, especially after a nice musical number.
Yea, that scene with Quasimodo TRAUMATIZED me!! Like even to this day, I either skip that scene or look away. But yea, I'm agreeing with JUDGMENT on this - the entire movie is jaw-dropping!! - Frollo about to kill baby Quasimodo, the humiliation of Quasimodo, Esmerelda basically pole-dancing (she is!!), Frollo LUSTING over Esmerelda on multiple occasions, the mass murders of innocent gypsies, the burning at one of the most famous cathedrals in the world, and Esmerelda and Phoebus getting together instead of with Quasimodo (which, honestly, was a big shocker to me)...yea this movie might as well have your mouth open the entire time!!
I mean, yeah in The Black Cauldron he comes back, but I feel like the thing people forget about is the fact that IT WAS A LITERAL SUICIDE. IN A DISNEY MOVIE.
AnneNicole It's a bit different I think, before he jumps he's talking about how he should be the one to do it because no one likes him. It's a really depressing scene. Anna sacrifices herself out of love, Gurgi sacrifices himself out of depression.
