You missed the moment in the last episode of season 2. At the school dance when "The Night We Met" song played and Clay was literally falling apart, and his friends rushing to find him cause they all knew he couldn't handle it alone. That was heartbreaking. And it's my n.01.
That character is fantastically written and acted. It's a study of the highly successful psychopath. Bryce knows exactly what hide from and what to reveal to whom, and how to manipulate everyone to make himself untouchable. After what e later learn of his and Justin's history, his casual "what's mine is yours, bro" to Justin just before raping Jessica was shown as a brilliant, yet completely casual and nonchalant, piece of manipulation. He knew Justin too well and he knew that that remark would put Justin in an impossible situation emotionally that would make Justin shut down and pretend not to see or hear anything. But the best of Bryce's scenes is when he confesses to Clay. "Call it rape if you like, it doesn't make any difference." To Bryce, it really DOESN'T make any difference. Rape and sex are the same thing to him. One is just more overt than the other.
In real life though he seems rly kind. I watched a video where the cast read a letter from someone who had watched the show and he got the most upset and started to tear up
He reminds me of Jack Gleeson, who played Joffrey in Game of Thrones. Joffrey is quite possibly one of the most hated characters ever, but Jack is a really awesome guy. Bryce isn't as bad as Joffrey, but he's still a piece of shit. And Justin Prentice, again, is a wonderful guy in real life.
What about when Justin was strangled by Seth and was crying and said “Mom” but she just turned and walked away :( I felt that was more sad than some of the clips at the beginning 💔
Hailey Matthews exactly!! And i was also really really expecting the scene of Alex feeling really bad and thinking he was the cost of hannah's death that he fell into the pool, wanting to kill himself. Why arent those scenes here?
When I watched this moment i started to feel really bad. My head started to spin, my stomach hurt and i almost vomited. Despite that fact that i watched lot's of trash movies with disgusting scenes, this moment really affected me
In a word, Jeff. Despite getting only about 8 minutes of screentime, he proves himself to be one of the only nice guys in the show, aside from Clay or Tony. Plus, he's a Clannah shipper, which is just beyond adorable!
I could tell something was wrong with the Jeff character when he was first introduced, because he seemed to nice and compassionate. It made it that much sadder when you realized he died.
Mekyas Getahun True, there was the fact that he appears only in the flashbacks, and not mentioned in the present day. Also, in an early episode, one of the teachers states that the school have recently lost two students, which could be an easily missed line the first time you watch it.
Jun* Tae* No, I liked him too. True, he resorted to petty behaviour to get back at Hannah after she rejected him, but he did feel remorse for his prior actions. It's also hinted that he will outgrow his immaturity, unlike his other jock friends.
honestly if Jeff didn't died, the whole show wouldn't end like this. He would've made Clay talk to hannah and she would have someone to talk to and didn't kill herself
@@brucetucker4847 he DID (sorta) kill her, its just all of them combined disappointed her. It wasn’t just him. And plus, Clay was about to jump off a cliff ofc Tony wasn’t gonna pile on more guilt on Clay.
"Why didn't you say this to me when I was alive?" That hit me hard. Clay listening to his tape was throughly sad though. Jeff's death was sad as well. It seemed he was one of the few good people in the town. And the Hannah death scene. I still am not over it. I knew it was coming, but just watching it was something different. Even sadder watching after hearing Tony talk about it with Clay on the rock too. Genuinely one the saddest moments in tv history. Even with all the sadness 13RW is still one of the best shows/ series I've ever watched. It has such a deep meaning and really shows the affects of many issues. Season 2 comes out next week and I'm really looking forward to it.
Yep. Honestly can say it’s one of the hardest scenes to get through that I’ve ever seen on a screen. It’s so sad that people push others to this point of ending their life.
I don't mean to upset you, but I am just answering your question on why people care about Jeff. He was a decent person in the show out of everyone who was scare to show the skeletons in their closet. He was a jock, but he knew it doesn't give him the title of being a jerk. Clay tutored Jeff in math whereas Jeff tutored Clay in life. Sometimes we lose the good people in life because someone was too scared to speak up to their wrongdoings. Thats why people are upset about his death and say JEFF DESERVES BETTER because well he does.
Hayley Gorham I was crying like a baby....and every1 was worried what the heck is up with this guy LET ME TELL YOU PEOPLE IT SEEMED LIKE MY CHILDHOOD DIED WHEN SPIDEY DIED Though I know he will be back but at that time I wasn't rational to think it through it tears stars pouring the moment he said "I don't feel good Mr stark something is happening to me "
Being someone who’s been suicidal and now also being a mom, the scene where they find Hannah absolutely destroys me every time. Because I’ve felt that low that I wanted to just be gone and also because I hope my daughter never feels that way. Finding her or my son like that would kill me. I’d have a heart attack and die on the spot. That scene fucked me up beyond belief. But I think it’s important. It shows that just because you’re gone doesn’t mean you’ve stopped existing and how hard other people that care about you will take it. I think more people need to see that. When you’re depressed and suicidal no matter how much you hear people saying they care about you, you don’t believe it. It’s good to show that people who are supposed to care.... do care.
I lost my mom to suicide.... My brother was the one who found her body and had to call 911. He doesn't talk about it but I remember the night he called us and said my mom was in the hospital. I wish so bad I could go back and tell her everyday how much I loved and appreciated her for being my mom and my dad. She wanted so badly for me to have both parents that it hurt her physically and emotionally. I never thanked her for all her hard work and that's what kills me. It kills me that I didn't spend enough time with her and that I didn't call her. She was the one who called me and talked with me for hours to talk me out of taking my own life. I'm crying so hard writing this. My own family doesn't tell me these things. They're ignoring the fact my attacker lives in the house with us and makes me scared to leave my room. It sucks. I hope no one has to lose someone they love this way
@@Kakmanmartinez666 I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope you and your family get the help that you need. I may not understand what you are going through but I pray that your future is more bright.
YAHYE sTudios honestly if Jeff didn't died, the whole show wouldn't end like this. He would've made Clay talk to hannah and she would have someone to talk to and didn't kill herself
This show is not mostly aimed to those that are suffering depression. Its aimed to those who dont understand what their actions do to a person. Everyone person is different and everything that happens to a person changes and shapes then. Hannahs story was tragic filled with rape and anxiety. She was someone who felt like they didnt have a voice. And some people are like that. Rather keep to oneself. I am like that. But you have to see this is an illness. People who say everything was a choice are wrong. When you suffer from a mindset like hers its not. This show was made yo enlighten the ignorant people who think they dont affect a person. Remember to always be kind. Sympathise with others. Care for people.
Long ShotBTG hiya, so that message could have been shown relatively easily without showing the actual act of suicide, which has been proven before to have a negative affect on people who are already suicidal. There was so much sensationalism to the actual suicide that it rips the emotion out of it for shock value, it's gross.
Long ShotBTG if you have not experience suicidal thoughts or had someone close to you be suicidal you will never understand it, hell no one ever really understand it. Doesn't mean teens should watch literal suicide and rape for entertainment
Listen, until you have walked in someone else's shoes, don't judge. This series was serious and didn't pull any punches. It had to be because of the seriousness of the issues at hand-bullying, rape, victim blaming, depression and suicide. You can't sugarcoat it anymore. It's become an epidemic and the only way to stop it is 100% real and in your face. You need to walk away from this show and think. Maybe none of these things have happened to you, but I guarantee you they have happened to someone you know whether they say it or not. You need to feel the anger, the disgust, the anguish, the heart break, all of it so that if it does happen to you or someone you care about, you can make different types of choices. This isn't about entertainment. It's about awareness and getting a message across that too many people take lightly or think it's a joke. It's not. This is happening every day somewhere in America and if we don't start being kinder and protecting people who have been raped, it won't stop. Quit protecting rapists, bullies and victim shames and start protecting their victims.
LyingLipsToo um hi love, I have attempted suicide multiple times in my life. I have experienced it and experienced people I love attempting too. This show has caused copycat suicides. It IS entertainment, it is not a PSA, it is not an example. It may be comforting to some people, but we have to remember these are scenes written by people with the intent of taking your money, not saving your life.
I thought the most saddest part was when Hannah finally went to the social worker and she started breaking into tears and she said “I need it to stop.” That scene should have been on there
“I cost a girl her life, because I was afraid to love her” -clay “You can’t love someone back to life” -mr.porter “You can try” - clay I stg every time I hear those lines, it sends chills through my body...
Poor Clay. A girl to whom he tried to show love chose to take her life, and rather than take responsibility for violently pushing away the one person who was always decent to her, she instead chose to dump her pain and guilt onto him posthumously.
The people that say that this series “romanticises suicide and mental illness” really aren’t understanding the purpose of this show; to start a conversation. Everything in this series; rape, anxiety, depression and suicide are portrayed scarily accurate and people are too afraid to see that
The show does make suicide seem like the best option for bullying and does make it seem good which is a bad thing. I don't like trigger warnings and that stupid stuff but this show really should not be shown to someone who is suicidal as it will justify suicide when it is never the answer.
I would hope anyone watching would not the effect of her suicide on her parents. The trouble with conversations started by this show is that a lot of them are going to expose some not very pleasant or popular or PC truths that we don't like to face about how we as human beings behave and interact and especially about social-sexual interactions.
I honestly don’t understand how anyone can watch the pain of Hannah’s abuse, the pain of her actual suicide, and the horror on her parent’s face after finding her lifeless body and think that this is GLORIFIED. There was absolutely NOTHING glorious about Hannah’s life or death.
SAME. Like, how TF does this show glorify suicide?! Some girl at my school actually told me that I needed to see, and talk to a damn PSYCHIATRIST, because I told her that 13RW actually helps me, because I have depression and anxiety
Simone Oliver But was she seeking revenge or was she simply explaining the trauma she endured & how each person’s actions contributed to her loss of will to live? The characters may have felt like it was revenge because most of them didn’t want to accept accountability for their behavior, but that’s not the point Hannah is making. I think the greater point of the show is that you can’t always look at someone and see the pain they’re going through, so you may not understand how your actions-be it something small or great-may affect a person. Hannah didn’t want to die-she just felt that she had absolutely no other choice and no where safe to get help. The tapes were her way of finally getting to tell her story. If anyone was out for revenge, that person is Clay. He did things to the others to hurt them because of how they hurt Hannah and because he thought Hannah deserved justice that she would never get. And in terms of showing her depression, not every person that’s depressed sits at home in pajamas all day or turns into a recluse. Some people are highly functioning depressed people. Some people hide it so well that no one, including their family, can tell until something major happens. And in that, I’m speaking from experience. I was depressed for all of high school and college, but no one knew because my grades were amazing, I was active in service organizations, and I knew how to fake a smile better than Beyonce coming off the elevator. I did all of that as an attempt to distract myself from all of the pain I carried from years of sexual abuse, unreported sexual assaults, and other traumas that I experienced. On the outside I was an average teen, but on the inside I was screaming and crying and fighting for myself, which reminds me a lot of Hannah as she seems to maintain her witty personality, her smile, and her desire for friendship despite all the bad stuff that comes her way-That “be strong” mentality. My point is, depression is more than sadness; it’s emptiness. And it’s that emptiness, the lack of hope that things can and will get better, that leads to suicide for some. Personally, I’m happy that the show runners depicted this kind of depression because it’s the most unrecognizable. They illustrated how everything that Hannah experienced took a part of her away until she felt like she had absolutely nothing left: her failed friendships, the bullying, her stolen positive notes, her unrequited love for Clay, her continuous sexual assaults, and the back-to-back traumatic events that she experienced (I.e. witnessing Jessica’s rape, Sherri knocking over the stop sign which caused Jeff’s death, Hannah losing her parent’s bank deposit, and Hannah being raped by Bryce) plus Mr. Porter’s poor handling of her final plea for help. Each of those experiences snatched a piece of Hannah away until she felt she had nothing left, nothing left of herself and nothing left to live for, which made her commit suicide. And I will admit that I probably have a different understanding of the show because I read the book when I was a junior in high school, and Hannah’s story let me see that I wasn’t alone but that I also had something she had lost: hope.
ChristInGreta I could not agree more with absolutely everything you said. As a survivor of some trauma of my own I lived with depression until I tried to kill myself. My family and friends had no idea becuase I was always getting good grades, always smiling, always "happy", and it really hurt them when I almost overdosed... This show helped me realize along with my experiences that suicide hurts everyone I love and sometimes that is the only thing keeping me here.
In my opinion, this show raises awareness for teen bullying and depression. I haven't seen the show myself, mostly because I would be a crying mess identifying with Hannah's suffering remembering all the shit I went through in school that caused my depression, anxiety, and PTSD.
If you're a depressed/suicidal person, you should not watch this show. This show was not made for people who are contemplating suicide because things do not get better for the suicidal person. If that was the case, Hannah wouldn't have killed herself. The show was made to show people how the things you do and sometimes the things you DON'T do can really affect someone. If you're depressed or suicidal, please talk to someone. ❤ I think if Hannah told someone what she was going through, she probably would have survived. Things always get better when you open up.
That's something that really bugged me about the show is how Hannah has multiple times where she can try to fix things but keeps quiet, then gets mad at the person that she lashed out against.
Same. Hannah's rape hit me hard. I was bawling my eyes out after the scene was over. I just wanted to help her so bad, but I couldn't do anything😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔
I just don't care that much since it's fiction. The story isn't even written that good and Hannah especially is written poorly. Most of the acting was good and camera work was great though.
They took the scene out of the series now, her looking in to the mirror and then her mum going into the bathroom seeing her dead calling her. Then calling her dad and saying he is okay lots of time and ring a 999
Man... I really don't hope she did lie Xd - all that time I've span watching it if you remove a and v in Alive it spells lie * well she can't lie now when she is dead
it wasn't. the original book was called 13 reasons why and the series was too. when translating the series for the german audience they had to change the name of the show for (to me unknown) legal reasons, due to which the original title couldn't have been kept.
Did she lie about Zach balling up and throwing away her note, or did she really think he did? Was she lying about who stopped showing up at Monet's, or was Jessica? Hard to say and I think that's intentional.
Scenes that hit me hard 5. The flashback 4. Jeff’s death 3. Jess Finds out she got raped 2. Clay listens to his tape/ hannahs death 1. The rape scene (it made me hat bryce 2x)
Clay hearing his tap was when I cried my heart out. As he was saying "no... No.. " And he told hannah "I'm not leaving not now not ever. I love you. " And hannah goes "why didn't you tell me this when I was alive" And he wrapped his arms around her and cried. I lost it
What I loved during Clay’s hallway meltdown in ep 7 was the fact that when Justin grabs for Clay to try to stop him and Clay shoves Justin, Justin actually looked a little scared of Clay which makes sense after you learn about his home life.
This show also make people see that you can never know what's going on in other people's life. Never judge others. Never jump into conclusions. Period.
As the husband of someone with bipolar who was bullied all her life And having been bullied myself, please watch what you say and do to everyone around you. You never know when someone has gone through too much until it's too late
It's not easy playing someone who's that evil in a real world way (as opposed to a supervillain where you can have fun). Some actors really find it traumatizing.
It's because they are two separate characters that have literally nothing to do with each other. Most of the acting is really good and that's one of the few things I can actually say is good about it.
That actor is fantastic at portraying Bryce, and the character is very well-written. He's pure evil, but he's a very cunning, subtle, evil. He plainly likes sowing hurt and discord with every minor gesture. And he's an absolute master manipulator. Telling Justin "what's mine is yours"? With what we later find out about Justin that was just diabolical. He knew EXACTLY what string to pull to turn Justin into jelly, and he knew how to toss it off so casually Justin wouldn't think much abut why he said it, and he probably even knew how horrible it would make Justin feel later. And why was he raping his friend's girlfriend, IN FRONT OF HIS FRIEND, to begin with when he could have his pick of any girl in the school? In addition to the thrill from the actual rape, it was a way it was his way of raping Justin without being "gay". Showing him who the top dog was. You can bet nobody ever laid a finger on Bryce's girlfriend.
Honestly hate me if you want but it was so wrong of Hannah to put such a burden on Clay, she basically blamed him for her death and now he feels guilty and is filled with regret. But I can see where she is coming from but it could have been said in a nicer way if possible.
I'd say it's worse than that. She never thought for one second about how her actions might make HIM feel. Her first kiss ended badly? What about HIS first kiss? How's he going to remember that night? And if that wasn't enough she kills herself after setting in motion a scheme that will dump all her pain and guilt on him. How's he going to feel about that when he's 60 years old? You think he'll just forget it? Get over it and move on, like she said sarcastically to Mr. Porter? She did a horrible, hurtful evil thing to the one person who never treated her with anything but decency and respect, and it's going to go on hurting him until the day he dies. You get over being snubbed by the popular kids or doing something horribly embarrassing in gym class, you don't EVER get over being made to feel responsible for your first love's suicide. And yeah, she had a lot of trauma that led her to that point. Guess what, so did Justin, and so did Tyler, and so did Courtney, but we don't forgive them for what they did to her, do we?
1st season was a masterpiece! Even though the last 3 seasons got worse as they went on I still needed them to say goodbye to such an amazing 1st season. The Hanna Clay dance scene with Lord Huron playing in the background is in my top 10 scenes of all times. If Hanna had only stayed with Clay that night everything would've been so much better.
The book helped me survive my Senior year of high school. I can't watch the show, but I hope it helps someone else who is considering taking their own life. Take it from someone who was so close to death his body went cold ... it's not worth it. Your life, however, _is._
I don't know about the book but the show is really bad at some points. I don't know if the book had the same feeling but the show makes Hannah one of the worst characters for me.
Anyone suffering with suicidal thoughts just know you mean a lot you are meant to be here and cannot let negative emotions consume your life and happiness you got to keep strong no matter how hard it may seem
I cried so hard at Jeff's death, he deserved better I didn't even realise he wasn't around in present time until the beginning of the episode he died in, but it never occurred to me he was the one in the accident When I saw it was him I literally broke down
