David Lynch originally made a 4 hour movie (the material was so dense), and then the studio told him to cut in in half. That killed any flow Lynch was going for
It's difficult to say if the film would've been significantly better without studio interference, but it was nevertheless unwelcome. Regardless, a single 4-hour film was clearly out of the question, in terms of being commercially viable, so it would've been better to make 2x 2hrs films instead.
I saw the 1984 version (which had Sting in it) and I didn't understand a single thing about it. On the other hand, I saw the film "1984" in 1984 and it was oppressive, probably because it was meant to be.
I completely agree. It is a singular movie. Unfinished and a creative adaptation certainly, but every line delivered by the cast resonates, every scene throbs with unrealised power. It’s greatness will never be realised, but some of us seem able to recognise what it was trying to do.
To be fair but I've read the book and personally I felt it did have a grand scope with the action set-pieces it did end up having, particularly in the second half which is ripe for an adaptation to make as epic in scale as possible. Herbert may not write 100 page action sequences but he knows how to describe a scene and what takes place in it. Imagination went wild with a few of them which is why I'm glad to see the new Dune depict some of those action scenes in as grand a way as possible.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays....
@@a.c.8470 Yes I know the documentary. This could have been an awesome movie if it was ever created. But I also understand why the project was never finished. :D
@@haydendutton6916 Don't understand me wrong. I really like the books. But if someone who doesn't know the books would expect an action story like e.g. star wars it could be a little bit disapointing.
People "talk" about how much this film is hated but over the past 30 years I've not run into anyone that "hated" it. Even those who think the adaption isn't true.
I remember being enthralled by this movie as a teenager. Still love it on it's own merits. I read the book after. Enjoy them both,as seperate bodys of work. I've yet to read a book and see a "faithfull adaptation"
I read the series when I was 14, having randomly come across it on my grandfather's shelves, and was blown away. The movie was utterly disappointing to me. I guess LotR had set a high bar for movie adaptations, but I hated it so much I could barely finish watching it. So cringey. Pretty amped for the new movie, even though I fear it may be a lil too "action movie", I'm heartened by the casting of Chalemet as Paul.
I love the 1984 movie.... it did not have the special effects because they didn't exist back then. I love the costumes (especially Lady Jessica's), the internal monologues, the score, and the acting, even though Paul Atreides character is not played by a 16 year old boy. All of the dialogues are pretty much verbatim the way they are in the Dune book. I've watched it a million times.
Having read "Dune" twice and, consider it one of my Top Ten novels of all time, I know that the 1984 "Dune" has many problems. But, I still love the film.
I just finished reading it for the first time. I'm 29 and have about 100 books both fiction and non fiction, on my shelves and I found Dune to be incredibly overrated. What about it puts it in your top 10?
Yes I agree that the film was good then it got chipped away from the theater from HBO and the regular TV 📺 with commercials there are some scenes missing from the theater and HBO when it aired. Not so much as to Patrick Stewart playing his space guitar but the value of water and respect for it that is missing, if anyone has a version of that I like to know we're to get it for my science fiction collection.
Well, I just watched the 1984 film after watching the 2021 remake which is indeed a master piece! The 1984 starts OK and the film goes well during the first hour and twenty minutes. Then, it goes into this run of scene after scene that doesn't connect well and doesn't makes sense either. Say, in one scene Paul meets Chani, then they are making out in the next scene and declaring their eternal love to each other, Jessica meets the Fremen in one scene, then she is drinking the Water of Life in the next scene... During the second half, the movie loses all the pace and acceptable construction that it had carried during the first half... I would definitely give it 2 and a half stars out of 5 and those 2.5 starts are because of the first part only!
I've read Dune a few dozen times over past 20 years, I still don't like it and I wouldn't admit that I read the book or recommend this book or film to anyone I know.
Princess Irulan's commentary isn't internal monologue, it's narration: She's reading from her own writing on the history of the universe and the emergence of Muad'dib.
Watch syfy channel’s Dune mini series. Irulan’s narrations works much better there. The production value was low, costume design was hokey, but the source material is there and the acting is good. Still the best attempt so far.
No one hates 1984 Dune. I love it but I love campy nonsense. So most people either love if for that reason or they are lukewarm on it or just don’t care. No one actively hates this movie though.
Its clearly a deeply flawed film but its also fascinating... the amazing set designs and the overall level of creepiness make it unique and almost mesmerizing at times
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
For such a "hated" movie there is a torrent of favorable comments here and on IMDB, while it's not perfect ( nothing is) it resonates with me and others.
I was a kid when I watched the movie, but it struck a cord with me. I love the prayer, "I must not fear. Fear is the mindkiller". I used it myself during times of stress to remind me that I need to keep my wits about me and not let fear rob me of my faculties. I later read the books, and while the movie and the books don't jive, there are still parts of the movie that I love, such as the box scene. Mohiam has a commanding voice and powerful presence on screen. The same scenes from the trailer for the new Dune don't quite live up to my expectations. So the 1984 version is flawed, but there's something I really enjoy about it.
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
I was disappointed by Dune at release in '84 because it wasn't what I expected but I have grown to absolutely love this film. The casting of Siân Phillips as the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, Brian Eno's score, and yes, the haunting voiceovers make this one of my favorite movies of all time.
I couldn't disagree more with you on these 2 version comparisons... Lynch's 1984 version is miles and miles and miles ahead of the art nouveau Villeneuve's version.. which is admittedly pretty but feels empty and unconvincing. Dune isn't meant to be a story that's supposed to be portrayed in a subtle and delicate way... but outspokenly brutal and all encompassing mirroring the vast universe. In the 1984 movie I feel in an far away galaxy... in Villeneuve's version I just feel on a remote movie set in Africa.
Despite being an avid fan of science fiction as a teenager; reading Clarke, Asimov, Harrison et al - it was this film adaptation that lead me to seek out the original books.
What Watch Mojo failed to understand is that Yes it can be annoying in the movie But Allot of internal dialogue it is indeed in the book. They blamed it on the producers and director leaving dead spots and not knowing what to do work it. Shows Watch Mojo’s lack of understanding the novel Also. Lol
@@adamlee2550 Kurt Gabuya just followed the same mental arc that most Trump supporters do, according to research on the phenomenon. See everyone criticising something for legitimate reasons, they decide to defend that criticised thing without understanding anything, just to be edgy, get shot down in flames, but their liking for Trump or watchmojos remains. It's because these people are fucking stupid and have been made to feel stupid by the rest of us since school, they need to own the clever ones somehow, like by defending the indefensible.
A lot of people don't understand good art. A lot of people said that the film have gain a classic cult following. So its up to viewer to like it or not.
Just watched the Spicediver edit (2022 version), its brilliant in that it builds a bigger universe and tells a more complete story, doesn't seem disjointed now.
@@kinetik68 Right? It's like David Lynch had a vision, crafted all the pieces, and it just needed someone to come along with the creative freedom to put it all together in a coherent manner free from studio meddling.
I love the Lynch version of Dune. As a fan, I was just excited that he attempted to film the story. The book is amazing and cannot be filmed. But Lynch was a brave attempt. I look forward to the new film.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
If it inspired you to read the book… kudos to the film. I find that most people who have a love for the genre actually enjoyed the movie. I got a lot of questions from friends later since I was the only one who read the book at the time.
To each their own, but Dune is one of my favorite sci fi. Although I think the list is thoughtful and informative I think I disagree with many of the the evaluations it gave as a movie in general. Loved the clarity though. 👍
I don’t know why everyone hates Dune 1984, I think it was one of the best sci-fi movies ever. I loved everything about it-the acting and the score is amazing.
The novel is one of the greatest SciFi books ever written. Lynch’s film changes the story so much it should have also changed the title. Calling it Dune is grossly misleading.
@@iamthesayyadina That is a fair point, I never read the book to be honest but did enjoy the film. Normally if a film is good I am temped to read the book. Normally if I read a book before watching a film then the film is a bit of a let down. I my seek out the book on your recommendation.
Yes indeed! I've always been impressed by it. The tune I really like is the Desert Theme; it sounds so grand and It has that Toto vibe to it. Not in the least due to Lukather's trademark sound.🙂
I felt the voiceovers were excessive though otherwise in line with use of italics in the novel. They also clearly were necessary in order to fit feature film time constraints.
I loved book and movie and felt it was a great effort considering the restraints. Nothing will ever match the book (or its sequels) except a long series and that would be far too cerebral to last more that a season.
The 84 Dune is still my shit . This film helped me get through Afghanistan. Nothing helps you get through a day of sitting in the tower like imagining a giant sandworm tearing up the long range and hitting some UXO .
It had more style than the new one. The new one does some things better though. For example, the Imperial Sardaukar shock troops are much more impressive & threatening than the cheap Hazmat suit ones in 1984 Dune.
@@ShakaCthulu yeah there were some things about the original I preferred. For example they mention the spice alot more and you get the impression everyone's got a hard on for the stuff.
Yeah. I think they still had Jodowrosky on their minds when choosing a director. They got someone just as weird. But, they approached the project with different passions. AJ might have made a film just as derisive in retrospect. They both would have looked great but lacked the true nature that makes the source material great. Lynch definitely had better actors for the project. The weird choice of fellow directors, surreal artists, rock stars and probably foreign speaking actors would not have meshed well. AJ’s choice of Conceptual Designers was second to none and probably influenced every sci fi project in its wake. Geiger, Foss and Moebius alone are sci fi gods in my book.
This wasn’t even the movie he intended to make, the studio hacked it to shit and he hates the end product. This was the project that turned Lynch off Hollywood for the rest of his career.
@@TheWrongHands18 Ridley Scott was actually the director chosen to helm DUNE, but he left in preproduction due to the death of his brother. That freed him up to direct Blade Runner. If anything, a lot of DUNE's world-building can be credited to Scott, since he was involved in the early creative decisions and directions. Bottom Line, Herbert advised Lynch throughout the production and later said he enjoyed the film. His authority and opinion are the only ones that really matter in the end.
The problem was Dune is a big big story and when the whole thing was filmed it was about five hours long. They had to cut it in half which is still 2.5 hours . Unless you've read the book it can be very confusing but it was , is and always will be my favourite film.
It’s a great movie that got a lot in there. It’s way more faithful than blade runner. I never got the impression from the books that they are meant to be action filled. It’s way more about politics and the struggles of manipulating and being manipulated.
12:15 As I recall, and it has been a while since I saw the 1984 version, Dr. Yueh had hidden the plans for the weirding modules with Paul and Jessica when they were going to be dumped in the dessert. I always supposed the Fremen were capable of building them from the plans.
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
@@a.c.8470 yeah...but jordorowskys dune wouldnt have been book accurate either with alot more disturbing scenes and acid trip visuals that wouldve been worse than lynchs movie 🤷♂️ in all honesty after watching the documentary im glad that his movie wasnt made.
I just watched it for the first time and tried to block out all the negativity surrounding it and got sucked in. Brilliant symbolism. Apart from feeling scattered everything was great. Acting , cinematography, score (by Toto?!) and I do like the plot. Ahead of its time. I can get why people wouldn’t like it but it’s far from terrible
@@karlsmith2570 Not to mention the stillsuits the Fremen created. Those are pretty advanced pieces of tech that allow for survival in one of the most inhospitable places there is. Imagine if we had tech like that today. It would change the world, literally.
The flaws the new movie didn't fix btw. It just added its own. At least we got a whole bunch of stars from the original. So was Sting a musician or an actor back then?
Lynch's Dune is definitely one of my "comfort" movies that I could always go back and watch. It's one that my dad and I would watch atleast once a year, its usually the extended one though.
Yeah. I don't hate it either. I can't take it seriously since it has flaws and some stuff just did not age well but its kinda wild and entertaining so meh.
I got movies like that too. This one is definitely not one of them, but yeah I know what you mean. One movie I love to go back and watch is "Troll". It's 80s fantasy horror(ish) with an iffy plot, and lots of gnarly latex puppets drenched in slime, doing mean things. People who see it for the first time in adult age will think it sucks immensely, but to me it has something magical.
Yea im trying to understand why the movie wasnt well-received, but i also realize that my bias stems from the fact that this was my first introduction into the dune universe from when i used to watch it as a young lad with dad :)
My parents showed me this film when I was 10, and after that I've read first 5 books of the series. I love the film, and I am truly disappointed they didn't continue to make more films. As for the critiques in this video, well: 1) #10 and #9 are basically the same - book is too long and film had to be condensed, thus diverting from source material. No crime in that. That's just commercialism. 2) #8: Internal monologues are actually great. It is what makes this film unique. Other films could use those too. It is a different way to tell a story. And it brings you closer to source material. I love it. 3) #7: well this is actually great too. It is a Sci-Fi film, not some action flick. It tells a story, it is suppose to emerge you in the world of Dune. It is not a Western. It is a tale spanning for generations. Film doesn't rely on action to tell the tale, and it does it great. There were a lot of action films back in the 80's, so you can watch those, if you want shooting and chasing. This film is about religion, politics, society, psychology, not explosions and car chases. It is like hating a comedy for being funny. Star Wars was a children's film. Dune was for grown ups. 4) #6: I really do not understand what is wrong here. Film is set in future. Distant future. Why should we expect everyone to walk and talk like 80's New Yorker? Especially since most characters are some sort of nobility. The way people behave is constantly changing, and it even varies from country to country, from town to town. I can not imagine why it should be wrong that characters in this film act like they do. Actors in 20's act differently than actors in 40's, than actors in 70's, than actors in 80's etc. 5) #5: same as #6. Fashion changes. People change. Even the book Dune explains that "Navigators" became distorted by the spice. Why can't the fashion be influenced by space? Why can't fashion be influenced by billions of other things, through space and time? Someone was reading the book, and envisioned the costumes different from what was depicted in the film, so they complained? Let them make their own version of film. 6) #4: OK, this might have been a bad idea, but again, it should go with #10 and #9. It is diverting from source material. 7) #3: Rain is not in the book, but then again, it might just be local, or temporary. If Paul can kill with his voice, why couldn't he summon the rain? It is a bit strange, but it adds to the climax. 8) #2: message is Middle East. Spice is oil, Fremen are Arabs, Dune i Middle East. It is just an allegory of our world dominated by religion and oil, but taken to some new dimension. 9) #1: yes, there are plot holes, but that just made me read the book. So it is good. And voice modules are made according to plans Paul finds in Harkonen ship, when they crash.
Exactly! This film is a perfect example of what a great soundtrack can add to a movie. The antithesis of that is Villeneuve's 2049. Zimmer's soundtrack was utterly boring and instantly forgettable.
I love the constant whispering and the internal monologues because when I watched it as a kid it was just so dreamy... It was like characters were constantly having a personal and intimate conversations with me.... It really is quite unforgettable and to me it made it a powerful movie, one of my favorites growing up
I was literally the only person in a Queensland cinema when I first watched this film. As a teenager, I left totally confused as to what I had just watched. However, the film's strangeness left a huge impression on me, especially the grand sets, the elaborate costumes and the mystical music by Eno/Toto. It inspired me to read Herbert's books. Subsequent reviewing, along with learning about how Lynch was hindered from making the film he envisioned, has left me appreciative of what the film is and what it could have been. I'd love to see a director's cut one day but given Lynch's attitude, that's unlikely. I'm eagerly waiting in anticipation of Villeneuve's film and to see how he's adapted the source material.
@@michaelfitzpatrickjr I haven't seen it yet as it hasn't been released in cinemas in Australia where I live. I think it's coming out here on December 2nd. However, I'm dying to see it as I greatly admire Villenueve's work. I would go to see it irregardless of the reviews (most of which seem overwhelmingly positive) anyway. Have you seen Villenueve's version? Did you enjoy watching it?
@@joycliffe266 I think you’ll enjoy it. It really captures the mood and feel of the Dune universe. That I think was Denis’s main objective. Once audiences have fallen in love with the world, they’ll stick around for the politics and complexities.
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
The final scene with the rain is Paul folding space between Arrakis and Caladan. This power was detailed in the movie as belonging to the Guild Navigators, so having Paul demonstrate this power showed his growth as a spice recipient and as the Kwisatz Haderach. The movie didn't go into the life cycle of the worms, so the consequences of rain on Arrakis were not known to the movie goers. Turning the weirding way into sound powered ray guns was ... not ideal. But kung fu on sand dunes would have been just as poor a choice, if not worse. Imagine the fight scenes between the Fremen and the Sardaukar: The Fremen somehow manage to close to knife and fist range with legions of Sardaukar who are armed with lasguns, stunners, and Maula pistols, how? And then once in hand to hand range the Fremen start beating them up using martial arts. Yeah, that's not going to play well. Being limited to a typical movie run time, 1984's Dune did as best as could be expected. Every other adaptation, finished or not, has had much more time to explore the setting.
@@rayfeighery3245 Oh, really? Please tell us all exactly how much space you've folded in order to establish your expertise on the subject. All kidding aside, this is exactly what Paul does at the end of the 1984 Dune movie. It is not in line with the books, for the previously mentioned reasons of the ecology of the worms, but given that the movie didn't go into that ecology and most viewers can be assumed to not have a clue about it, it was a fair artistic license.
7:33 “Personal shields have rendered projectile weapons largely obsolete. As such, blade weapons and hand to hand combat are the norm.” So I guess that’s how they could get in hand to hand range.
I absolutely adore this movie-- I appreciate the Lynchian flavor it has, which is a kind of camp- it perfectly rides the line of being the most bad-ass awesome off the charts sci-fi art and pure camp- a combination rarely ever seen executed with such prowess. It stands alone as a masterpiece because of this. And all the better that it isn’t constrained by mainstream stylistic influences (such as that narration taboo)- this just adds to its magic. I’ve heard so much that this film is hated, but like here in this thread, I see a whole lotta love. One of my favorite films of all time hands down
You listed this in your Top 10 Worst Book to Film Adaptations. Yet you praised it on multiple occasions as well. Personally, I don't hate this movie, I wouldn't say that this movie is completely without merit.
I never hated the movie, but I didn't love it either. I agree that was furious that they changed great details and some of the costumes were actually great but some could have been done better.
@@roguejester4986 Same. Let's hope Denis gets it right as Frank Herbert's son, Brian who has written more for the Dune universe has praised Denis. Even Jodorowsky is praising Denis's vision though he has reservations that can Denis get it right.
@@ryanlts_9684 It's all about opinions because I enjoy the film but raging over a bit of fiction not matching your expectations is pretty immature. The hating fans act as if they're owed something. This applies to all the other franchises and conversions from book to film. I'm a huge fan of the Dune books but I don't need the film to be accurate, or even remotely similar.
My dad took me to see Dune when I was 6. I had almost no idea what was going on but the Barron disgusted and terrified me, the sandworms amazed me, and the transformation of both men and Arrakis mystified me and left a mark in my soul that I would carry through childhood into my own adulthood. Lynch did the novel great justice with the tools at his disposal.
Haha Same here man. I was on a trip with my dad and apparently he really wanted to watch Dune so he had to take me with him to the theater, I was 5 and yes, the Baron both disgusted and terrified me. I'm 42 now and yesterday I went with my dad to watch the new one and I loved it.
I enjoyed, and continue to enjoy the 1984 version - both standard and extended, but I also like the new 2021 release - even if it is only part 1, since part 2 is now confirmed. Jodorowsky's Dune is also a great look into the world of Frank Herbert, and THAT one would have probably blown all others away.
I too liked the movie... But there is nothing inaccurate about this video, and it's only gotten more apparent over time. That doesn't mean that the movie cannot still be enjoyed.
I actually liked the internal monologues- they added a depth that was necessary in describing Dune And I’d rather have someone who has actually read the books narrate and critique it That the narrator slams Lynch for not respecting the source material is rather ironic
He had NO creative freedom when making the movie back then and the finished product was so bad, he disowned it completely. Also, the ENTIRE movie is a condensed 2-hour runtime trying to cram 500+ pages from such a complex book and the changes made really disrespected the source material. The studio made it into a typical ''white boy savior'' story when it wasn't the case in the book. Plus, those insufferable monologues and thoughts are 1 reason why the movie felt rushed and insulting to both Frank Herbert and the Dune fans alike. Everything this movie reminded us is how Villeneuve's version of Dune is a much more faithful adaptation of the book, even with those subtle changes he made to some characters and key moments to make it his own. Villeneuve REALLY understood the assignment, Lynch did not.
@@martinde-serres8724 No, he lost control of the editing process. That’s a far cry from NO creative freedom. Denis doesn’t even touch on the most central themes of Herbert’s work- at all, not once. He’s boiled Dune down to the saga of Paul. Which is understandable, but disappointing. And ironically, Denis’ version has the same issues with condensing the works that Lynch had. And yet you fault Lynch for that dearth but not Denis. The first book leaves Paul as a savior figure. So Lynch’s version is perfectly in keeping with that. No, Paul is not a white savior in Lynch’s version. Lynch’s Fremen are Caucasian. When there is no disparity between the races, a white savior isn’t even a possibility. You’re referencing a poorly written critique of Dune, Herbert’s Dune, by a critic who had never read the book. It’s a well known critique of Dune, akin to Lawrence of Arabia (in which ‘white savior was applicable) as it was overtly obvious that the critic had never read Dune, given no one who had read Dune would’ve ever labeled Paul a ‘white savior’. And the critic was castigated for their review and complete ignorance of the topic. That’s where the now cliched ‘white savior’ line comes from. It wasn’t applicable to Herbert’s Dune and it certainly doesn’t apply to Lynch’s Dune. It’s not applicable in Herbert’s Dune because Paul is far from being a savior. And it’s not applicable in Lynch’s Dune as the Fremen are white. So there’s no reason to insert race where the supposed savior is homogeneous to the indigenous populace. At best, you might presume that Lynch ‘whitewashed’ the Fremen. But he didn’t. The Fremen were described as pale because the Fremen were essentially nocturnal, they didn’t move around in the desert during the day as the climate was far too harsh. It was considered wasteful at best (water loss), and life threatening at worst. The Fremen dreaded the sun and fled to their Seitches during at the first appearance of the sun. So they would’ve lacked almost all melanin as a result of their nocturnal habits. You’re also looking at Dune through a modern political lens. Which is an entirely inappropriate way to look at Lynch’s Dune or Herbert’s. How much more Caucasian could Lynch’s Chani, Stilgar or Janis be? You shoehorned in white savior but it’s a completely inaccurate description of Lynch’s Dune. It reads as if you’re trying desperately to insert modern political paradigms into sci fi where they have no place. And I would guess that’s because you’re consumed with modern politics, such that you find supposed parallels in everything, via confirmation bias, even when such parallels are nonexistent.
@@bry8636 Because it IS a ''white boy savior'' type of story they made with Lynch's version after all that editing. Also, back then, there wasn't a lot of POC actors to fil in most characters in the movie, so they only had Caucasian actors in some make up to separate the different main factions from the book. BTW, I've seen Lynch's Dune and what I said is what it is, stop trying to think that I'm referencing someone else's critique when I gave MY own thoughts about it. Keep your bullshit claims to yourself next time, dipshit.
The bad cutting is actually a shame for this movie and by far its worst problem. As many mistakes as it may have - I still absolutely love it! The actors are great and I just love its gloomy, mystic atmosphere and the spoken thoughts of people are definitely a part of that. Weird & beautiful. Just great art.
Terrible video. Most of the dialogue is lifted directly from the book. The casting is amazing (with one or two exceptions - Paul Smith for instance, and probably Sting) and overall it is a David Lynch film from top to bottom. The studio butchered it but at its heart it has the strangeness that makes it stay in the memory. When I saw it at the cinema on release I was confused by the arbitrary studio cut but mesmerised by the feel of the film. I had to see it again and it rewards more viewings, revealing visual and story details you miss the first time. Also Kyle Mclachlan was the same age when he played Paul as Timothée Chalamet was when he played him. 1984 Dune remains a masterpiece of Lynchian filmmaking ruined by the studio. Long live the fighters!
Out of interest, had you read the book before seeing the movie? If not: I think I would've been mesmerized by this film if I hadn't read the book first. Upon reflection, I did enjoy the 'feel' of the film, and certain scenes (I actually thought Sting was pretty good!), but I was too disappointed in the many changes and omissions that were made. If you had: no explanation.
@@ecurb10 Although I was a huge Sci Fi fan and very well read (including a number of Frank Herbert novels) I had never read Dune, so the film had no dissapointing changes or omissions. David Lynch was also quite new to me and I became a big fan of his from this film. I remember reading the book for the first time and being dissapointed in the omissions in the book! I still see and hear Kyle McLachlan in my minds eye when reading it, and I will argue all day that Everett McGill is the perfect Stilgar.
@@gavinturnbull5459 Interesting. So you don't hold any criticism for the movie not being true to the book? Don't you have it the wrong way around, lol?
@@ecurb10 The Spicediver edit of Lynchs film is the closest to the book and I highly recommend that if you haven't seen it. On the other hand the book is the best. Sometimes a director who is less in awe of the source material makes a better job of it as he is not frightened to change things, othertimes not so much. I am really looking forward to Villeneuves version but I am not expecting a carbon copy. I'll be happy with a good film. Dune fanatics will never be totally happy (witness the facebook group postings that people won't see the film as one of the actors has the wrong shaped nose!).
@@gavinturnbull5459 Yep there'll always be the crazy fanatics. Otherwise, glad you enjoyed the Lynch film...maybe I'm just jealous and wish I did! Cheers mate.
"David Lynch didn't have creative freedom" Like changing the main characters age, or changing back story, or maybe even adding a huge plot detail that never existed. Huh.
The book is SO difficult to read and keep straight. Orange Catholic and Choam contracts and the like. Yikes. It is a passable movie though and filmed beautifully with awesome sets.
This is my wife's and father-in Laws favorite movie. if you put on DUNE in front of my wife she will stop everything she is doing and sit down and watch the whole thing.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
Say what you want. I love this movie and always have. The costumes were elaborate and elegant and the grotesque makeup was awesome! Sometimes you have to appreciate things in their essence and not rip it apart by pulling that strings. Part of it's charm is some of the quirky effects, thought voices and over the top drama. The only thing I would change is if it was longer.
@@Jocelyn_Herrick We're talking about a difference of 35 years in filmmaking technology. Not to mention David Lynch is a completely different type of director. Each piece of art can stand on its own and doesn't need to compare. One thing for sure, the costumes in the original Dune are beyond reproach and the detail and effort put into them was significant. In Dune 2020 it's like they ran out of money for costumes. Their armor looked cheap and flimsy and the fabrics were of poor quality.
This was my favorite Movie growing up. It is still my favorite movie now. The soundtrack gives me chills, the entire movie is eyecandy and I still want every dress/ outfit in this movie. Little Allia dancing in the wind with the knife was just so unforgettably badass..
The depiction of the Navigator takes the cake imho. So weird, so relatable, so creepy in such an awesome way. "Many machines...on Ix....new...machines...."
That’s funny Mojo sounds so certain that this film is hated, yet I’ve never heard a single person speak ill of it (apart from the obvious non-respect of original source material and being too long a movie). The way it seems, you’re damning this masterpiece simply because it was made in the 80’s. All the things you’re stating are reasons people hate it are actually very typical for an 80’s movie. Not a fair view for this incredibly ambitious work of art.
The amount of copium in the comment section is hilarious. I bet youd defend the original blade runner theatrical release with the Harrison ford commentary.
@@0Asterite0 Never even seen Blade Runner lol. Saw Dune when I was a kid and once or twice since and it held up. Obviously most 80’s movies are garbage but this one was considerably ambitious and a lot of heart was put into it. All I’m saying is there’s a reason it’s a cult classic.
I loved and still love the Lynch's Dune. It's cheesy, and different, and also misses the mark on certain key aspect of the source material. But it's still something worth to watch. Even if Villeneuve's Dune turns out to be the best adaptation of Frank Herbert's work to date (and I believe so because, come on, Villneuve is a genius), I will still love it because he made me discover the books
@1234 I don't say the movie is trash, isn't good either and I don't defend what can't be defended. But I got to say this, book is better? Of course, mostly all the time is like that. If this movie made me want to read the book, it at least did something good. If a movie, or a series or anything else make you want to know more about it (including reading the book from what is based on) you have to give credit to it.
Bear in mind, at the time this movie was produced, there was no such thing as sequels. You did it in one movie or you didnt do it at all. Unlike todays 10 sequels because they wont take a chance on new material.
@@chalp1290 Nope. Wasn't a fan first time around, then I watched it with a mate who'd read the books, so having a guide really helped me understand the universe and I found myself enjoying it immensely - I now have a nice widescreen/special edition on DVD. I came to realise it was a great and unique looking movie.
That scene where the dr is popping boils on the barons face , and the guys smashes and drinks the bug. Then the Baron floats under the pipe oozing black slime it doesn’t explain. The heart plugs get pulled, the strange way the girl says how can this be? At the end. And off course the whispering .
@@chalp1290 - When the 2021 version was announced I watched it and the 2000 series again - with the eyes of a 48-year-old. Love em' both. I'm pretty sure I'll like the new one too. We have faith in your generation - but you have to try and be tolerant of other perspectives. Cheers.
I'm with those saying just read the comments here. This "hate" is contrived. The overwhelming majority like the movie, even those who feel like it's a bad adaptation. I don't really care what David Lynch thinks about his film. My wife has made food that she didn't like, and I thought it was great.
I've seen it so many times, now I enjoy speaking some of the lines along with the actors as I watch: "There is a Harkonnen among them!" "Give the Harkonnen a blade!" "The slow blade penetrates the shield." "Remove your hand from the box...young human!" "You'll have no need of your weapons with me, Gurney Halleck!" "And how can this be!? ........For he is the Kwisatz Haderach!!" "Who is this Muad'Dib?" "Feyd!!!!" "Usul has called a big one! Again, it is the prophecy!" "The worm is the spice! The spice is the worm!"
" But Sire, We can't leave all this spice" "Damn, the spice, get out of there" " He cares more about his men than the spice??, I must admit, against better judgment, I like this duke"
Loved it back in the 80s- bonded with my Dad over it (and other Sci Fi series and movies). I just watched it again to be sure- yup, it is campy and imperfect, but I still enjoy it!
I have a great fondness for the film. All the negativity is just reviewers echoing other reviewers. The only really daft thing in it is the sound weapons, but that can be overlooked. I read the book first, and felt that Lynch illustrated it quite well, as the aesthetics are superb. The casting is great, and the soundtrack is glorious too.
As a girl who grew up with this movie, I take issue with the "women only there for the men". I felt very inspired by the women of this movie. Maybe you had to grow up with it.
Agree. In the movie, like the book, women are incredibly empowered. The nuns are most feared by all and have much power over rulers and leadership. This is established. Likewise Jessica and Alia are forces alongside Paul in the struggle of the Fremen. With Paul being the sole exception, only women can be recipients of the Water of Life. The future depends on Alia, a woman.
I completly agree with you! My dad loves Dune and has read all the books numerous times. So, I grew up watching this movie and I don't agree with the message that "women in Dune were only there to serve men." I think it's a crap statement that hold no fact into the movie and book.
It's one of the best movies I've seen in my life and I saw almost all Sci-Fi movies were produced since 80s until now. Imagine what we could get, if Lynch would not be pushed to cut most of the scenes. I would rather hear about 5 reasons why some people love this film.
I love the 84 version...have been a huge fan since I saw it in a little theatre in 1984 when it came out. Sure, it isnt loyal to the book in spots and Baron Harkonnen is way overplayed, but its epic with practical effects. Love it even more than the new movie.
Yep, in the book Paul had no superpowers... If you exclude inherited memories of nearly all history, the ability to see the future, the ability to think with the logic processing of a computer... Just a regular dude.
Watched Dune 1984 for the first time the night before the new iteration came out last week, and I have to say, I liked them both for very different reasons. Some of the original was definitely hokey then, as it is now, but there was heart put into it. The new version, visually stunning as it is, does not really have the same amount of heart or emotion conveyed by the lead. Also, we needed 1,000% more Zendaya.
Yes. I think you hit the nail on the head when you say the movie has heart. I seldom go to the movies now because they just seem to be too much to one formula. The last movie I saw was Ab Fab the Movie. I would rather see a flawed movie like this than one that "ticks all the boxes".
There's a reason for little Zendaya in part 1. Because of where the film ends. Chani does not really appear at all until the moment Jessica and Paul are taken in by the Fremen. In fact after reading the book, I think we get more Chani in Part 1 than we do in the first part of the book.
Lynch’s “Dune” is BRILLIANT. Kids nowadays can’t watch a film if it’s not all choreographed fighting, CGI, and explosions. “Dune’84” is thoughtful, methodical, and stylish. Furthermore, far more filmgoers had actually READ THE BOOK back then, and were able to follow the film. How many kids nowadays have read “Dune”? How many had even heard of it before the promotions for the upcoming “Dune”movie debuted? This video is nothing more than another promotion for the new film.
