Actually it was the Baron who was forced to conceive offspring by the Bene Gesserit. The Sisterhood harvested genes from members of the great houses to manipulate bloodlines and consolidate their own power within the imperium. The Baron had already been blackmailed into copulating with Mohiam once but the child died and Mohiam was ordered to approach the Baron again for another child. The Baron, being homosexual hated the first experience with Mohian and decided to humiliate her the second time by paralyzing her with a nerve toxin and raping her. It was during the rape that Mohiam deliberately infected the Baron with a disease that would make him morbidly obese. As the Baron was immensely vain and in love with his own perfect physique, Mohiam knew this would torture and humiliate him to no end.
Thx for the explanation. When it said that a BG was forced to conceive, I just couldn't believe it. I'm sure any good BG could voluntarily miscarry at any time.
I love the concept that the most brutal evil House in Dune, came to be as they are because One of them refused to murder innocent people on the orders of House Atreides during war.
Xavier Butler refused to bombard hostages taken by the machines & used as human shields hence the name Bridge of Hrethger at Corrin but what sense did it make to refuse when Earth Prime was bombarded with Atomics to stop tha machine menace & whatever populace was deemed to be in a better place than the were .
@@bos9824 Some were pretty cute but I really hated the Baron and Feyd for killing them. The ones they killed seemed so innocent. Just like poor servant girls
Idk man.. it’s super interesting but it would get old for an entire movie. Sometimes, getting a few glimpses enhances the depth and mystery that makes things more interesting.
@@ROVA00 You're probably right. I definitely think the mystery and strangeness does make those scenes a lot more impactful (also the music). Maybe the mystique would be gone if they show more of it but it could still be worth it.
The harkonnens only trusted those of their subordinates who had weaknesses that could be used to control and exploit them. The baron regards the first guard captain as trustworthy only because his appetites were well known. The man he promotes as the new guard captain is one he knows he can trust because the baron knows he is addicted to the drug semuta. My understanding is that in the Harkonnens forces, they would betray eachother for advancement, that subordinates would inform on a superior in hopes of taking his place.
@@elizabethjansen2684 That makes no sense. He could not have known who his grandfather was without the WoL. And he could not have known about that before they met the Fremen. I admit, it's been a while since I last read Dune, but what you say makes no sense.
I know that the David Lynch film is widely jeered, but I think the quality and creepiness of the Harkonnens is highlighted much better in that film than in the TV series
For a lot of us, the movies are what got us into this epic story! I started reading the books when the first recent Dune came out. So far, the Harkonnen seem pretty bad
The Emperor's plan was to grind both houses against each other. He also hoped the Baron would be dead or broke after this conflict. The new movie is just a brief abridged version of Dune. There's no way the whole Atraides were asleep, and no one on guard. No back up coms, no patrols.
I only watched the movies, but that was the idea I got of emperor’s motivation - reducing the influence of both powerful clans as much as he can to minimize their threat to his own power. But yeah i dont remember if it was explicitly mentioned in the movies.
Read in this order: 01 The Butlerian Jihad, 02 The Machine Crusade, 03 The Battle of Corrin, 04 House Atreides, 05 House Harkonnen, 06 House Corrino, 07 Dune, 08 Paul of Dune, 09 Dune Messiah, 10 The Winds of Dune, 11 Children of Dune, 12 God Emperor of Dune, 13 Heretics of Dune, 14 Chapterhouse Dune, 15 Hunters of Dune, 16 Sandworms of Dune. I have read these 16 book 4 times each. Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson have some other books I need to read as filler to the above books. God Emperor of Dune is my favorite and wish someone would make this book into a movie.
Thanks for this. I read 07, 09 and 12, about 30 years ago. I didn't realize that I was reading things out-of-order, at the time. I had tried to read Dune in middle school (82') because the "smart kids" were reading it (and the Hobbit, by Tolkein) but, it seemed so LONG! I read it and the other books, after seeing the oringal movie in highschool (85').
@@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro Most of the books that guy listed didn't exist 30 years ago. The original books by Frank Herbert were Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, Chapterhouse: Dune. The rest were books by other authors, with the first in the list being published in the early 00s.
I must say Brian Herberts backstory for Vladimir undercuts his character in Dune somewhat. There, the gluttony is an outward representation of the Barons greed. Something that he willingly engaged in. He was, by his own choices, the absolute antithesis to the Atreides, who practiced discipline in all things. It just being a disease inflicted upon him renders this moot.
If you read further in the dune series you will find that the Harkness in the past were honorable and it was the arteries that were the traitors check it out.
The original Harkonnens are more like House Ordos from the game, relying on treachery, bribes, sabotage and technologies, rather than being portrayed as a brute military machine every time.
Harkonnen were forced to settle on Giedi Prime because they put the lives of hostages before the lives of humanity. They were stripped of their honorable title and forced onto a terrible world. This transformed the honorable friends of the Atreides into monsters with a thirst for vengeance. This all occurred at the Battle of Corrin against the last Thinking Machine planet. Depending if you enjoy Frank's sons books or not that may or may not be cannon in your mind but I prefer their books. The Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade, and the Battle of Corrin are personally my favorite.
I would have expected this contribution to go back to the Battle of Corrin and the time before that, when Harkonnen and Atreides were actually allies and friends and to explain the reason for the long lasting feud... - (when Abulurd Harkonnen refused to sacrifice millions of humans...) Ok, for that there are no shiny videos, but it would have been worth the effort...
IMO, the emperor trapped the Atreides AND the Harkonnens. (I am basing this ENTIRELY on the Frank Herbert books. I find the BH/KJA novels to be very problematic) The ancestral feud between the Atreides and Harkonnens were well known. The Atreides were becoming more popular in the Landsraad (sort of like an English parliament for the Houses). The Atreides had been training their fighting force to the point where they were almost a match for the Emperor's sardaukar. And Baron Harkonnen had gotten VERY wealthy mining spice. The kind of wealth that could be a problem for the Emperor. Here's how I see the plan: 1. Take Arrakis away from the Harkonnens, threatening their wealth. The Baron would be willing to spend a lot of resources to get Arrakis back. 2. Give Arrakis to the Atreides, the ancestral enemy of the Harkonnens. At this point, the Baron would be willing to spend everything he had. 3. Let the Barron know privately that the Emperor will "allow" the Harkonnens to attack the Atreides. 4. Offer some of the Emperor's sardaukar to assist in the battle. Of course, this is a double-edged sword; they are there to help exterminate the Atreides AND make sure that the Baron does as he is told. 5. Make sure that the Spacing Guild charged exorbitant troop transport fees and hazzard rates. And also pay the transport costs for the sardaukar. (After the attack, the Baron tells Rabban, "If you squeeze Arrakis for every cent it can give us for sixty years, you'll just barely repay us!" So, two birds, one stone: Atreides are gone and the Harkonnens are broke.
That might have been his thinking, but I'd say he underestimated the Haarkonens in that. Once they had won, they 1. still had the biggest military force in the Empire (even though they couldn't match the Saardukar in quality). 2. had gotten the Emperor to get his hands dirty, intervening in fights that he was forbidden from meddling in. As such, they had leverage over the Emperor. 3. had regained the biggest cash cow in the Empire, thus borrowing money wouldn't be a problem 4. were the most powerful house in the Landsraad, with no force to counter them.
Finally you explain WHY THE HELL EMPEROR HELP THE BALDS And is because they destroy the industry of 80 years in (i dont know) 1 year I THINK this is HARDLY explain by novie inself i hope the secuel Talk about Space with the Sand people
@@jamesrepass442 I'm not saying the Emperor didn't consider these factors. The fact that this is adressed in the books doesn't mean the Emperors assesment is correct. Just because he's confident that he can control the Harkonnens doesn't mean he actually can. It is completely speculative either way, since that power struggle never plays out in the story (which would show us who has the better judgement of the situation). At the end of the day, both parties misjudge the Atreides and grossly misjudge the Fremen, and as such I wouldn't put it past either to misjudge the other as well.
I'm curious what part 2 will be like? The first one was already good! One reason why I got the LEGO ICONS DUNE model. Yes, the #legoiconsduneatreidesroyalornithopter is really a great model, it's really fun to build. Even if it's a hidden LEGO Technic model! In my opinion, it’s already the best LEGO model of 2024!
If the name comes from Finland, and has to do with the animal ox, then the original Finnish name would be Härkönen. But of course in a US phone book it would be different, like Harkonen. Don't know if Herbert just added the extra n to the name, or if the phone book had it wrong (if we're still under the assumption of a Finnish origin for the name).
This may be unrelated but I don't like how the 2021 movie depicted the Harkonnens. The Harkonnens weren't monstrous creatures but normal looking people just like the Atriedes, not bald pale inhuman brutes. Aside from Beast Rabban, the Harkonnens were more plotters than brutes. If anything they were also douchy. In the novels they constantly bickered with each, and had annoying personality traits. Vladimar Harkonnen was more flamboyant. There is this flaw within modern movie making where they must make all villainous factions (including human factions) look inhuman and scary as possible just so they can dumb it down to the audience by saying "these are the BAD GUYS".
The 2021 version made a major mistake by creating the Baron as a very weird person, using subdued lighting and far too little screentime. When you have a genius actor like Stellan Skarsgard, you use him as much as possible and let him act as well as giving good dialogue. The same with a star like Jason Momoa who is a fantastic actor yet he only got 9 minutes screentime. The three main characters are OK but not good, Chalamet is too lightweight both in physique and experience to play Paul, I would have preferred Eva Green as Pauls Mother and Morfydd Clark as Chani, The movie could have been much better if casting had been more sensible.
@@FundyisleLegacy I agree 100% but I reckon they didn't want Jason overshadowing Chalamet, Coleman and Ferguson who I reckon are OK but not star quality, in fact the supporting actors are far better. Why they chose these 3 is a mystery. I hope to see more of Jason in the 2nd movie.
very true. but i understand their dilemma. these audiences nowadays are indeed, special, due to the declining school system. and if you don't find a way to hold their attention to sell them stuff, the production company won't believe they can recoup their investment and therefore will not fund your project.
I thought you will talk about origins of Harkonnen. Guess you didn't read Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson books which are based on Frank notes. It starts with Butlerian Jihad
Did you watch the whole video?They referenced some of the Herbert /Anderson books (if you can consider them cannon). I tend to think of them as alternate universe Dune. They’re fun stories that I enjoyed reading, but the non-Frank Dune books for sure went in a different direction than the originals, favoring action set pieces over deeper philosophy. Still fun buuut Erasmus and Omnius were totally not the direction Frank was moving things in.
@@ianchilds6433 ofc it s a cannon. Those books are written by his son and are based on Frank's notes. Same story goes with J.R.R. Tolkien and his son Christopher. Wihout Christopher we wod not have, for example, Silmalirion.
@@anulire Christopher Tolkien edited his fathers work, he didn't write stories of his own. There's a reason his fathers name is on the books he published. Can't compare that to Brian Herbert in the slightest.
Im glad that you have included Brian Herbert's prelude's to his father's work. I have read %95 of the whole Dune story. I highly recommend all Dune fans to read them. I made it as far as the Butelarian Jihad. I have not read "Worms" and "Fremen".
I have loved the whole journey..I loved the house trilogy, the prequels to dune. And chapterhouse dune and the ending of the main story wrapped up in this awesome bow lol
Vladimir Harrkonen I wonder if Lucas was influenced by this floating bloated monstrosity when he came up with Jabba The Hutt?!? My father gave me the first Dune book in english when I was in my early or mid teens.
I agree with you! I've wondered about this too, especially with the "evil right-hand man and potential servant" parallels between Twisted Mentat Piter de Vries and Bib Fortuna. Plus, both Jabba and the Baron are involved in Spice trades in one way or another
It would be great to see some history shots in any upcoming feuds I.e the baron and Leto meeting in previous political meetings with the other houses etc
If you watch closely Vlad actually beheads the Doc. 👨🏻🦲⚔💀 I love Stellan's performance and how they portrayed The Baron but in my imagination he was more like Vlad in Lynch's version. Gross and disgusting sort of a cross between the two. Can't wait for part2. Wicked video, some of the most brutal bad guys ever in Sci-fi "The Harkonens!". #LONGLIVETHEFIGHTERS! 💯👊🏽⚔🤺⚔
@@Sk4M_.RangeroftheNorth haha yeah he didn't skimp on gettin that thing sharpened, doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would but yeah he just kinda like swiped with like 20-30% power head just came smooth off 😬
@@Sk4M_.RangeroftheNorth I don't know about you but I didn't notice it the first time I saw it. Made the scene so much cooler once I realized that's what happened lol
@@brianstanton2721 I heard about the scene before the film came out and yeah you really have to watch to see it but in one easy swipe and then he just dashed that Doc's head!!👨🏻🦲🔪💀
Baron was the worst kind of monster because he took pleasure even sexual pleasure in harming/ killing others. Cold is calculating in the books. Which meant you could be a man or woman he would take pleasure in harming you. Even children dude was a different level type of monster.
Yea.. I liked the 2003 Dune and 2003 TV mini series as it showed his son as hot but arrogant boy, so you gotta wonder how such a monster got such handsome kid and you find why--his genes of course. And why the Bene.. sisters wanted to control, marry them around each houses with their genes too.
Piter was a "Twisted Mentat," a mentat produced by the Tleilaxu rather than the normal mentat schools, which breed mentats with specific admirable qualities
Harkonnen and Atreides were once friends and fought together to defeat the thinking machines and drive Omnius and Erasmus deep into the Unknown parts of the Duniverse!
The harkonenns were dumb enough to create two exceptional fighters and allow them to fall into their rivals hands to crush them later. They also allowed the fremen to slip through their hands.
Good to learn how the Baron survived the gas attack, it was never really explained in Lynch's, the SyFy Dune, or the new movies how he survives. It's extra bad in Lynch's dune because he's nowhere near Leto when he triggers the tooth, but even in the movie I was a bit thrown because it looked like it was a perfect assassination but they never explained how he survived
One thing I find weird about Dune (I haven't read the books yet) is how all the royal houses seem to have less than five members despite having entire planets as their fiefdoms
Vladimir Putin only has like 3 people on his family despite ruling the largest country (by area) in the world. Xi Jingpin only had one daughter that we know of. When it comes to authoritarian, power hungry leaders, a big family is actually a disadvantage. These guys are so paranoid and greedy, that they’re probably threatened by the idea of family members trying to take his place. For the dictator type, a large family is a vulnerability more than a blessing. A big exception is of course Genghis Khan, but one can hardly say he had a “family”. He just went around banging l/raping anyone he could get his hands on lol
@ROVA00 yes they do, but the first book unabridged isn't available. There is a dramatized version that is abridged and the reviews say a ton of info is missing from it.
@@Kiannamora ahh I didn’t realize the the dramatized version had missing parts. I wouldn’t know since I didn’t read the physical book. Seems good enough for me though
Technically a machine mind is the primary antagonist of the duneverse. Since it enslaved humanity, was overthrown, exiled, built itself back up and attacked again. Only to be thwarted because of Lato ii's golden path instilling the ability to be shrouded from the future sight shit going on.
