To be fair the head laser from the assaultron that we use as a weapon can still do massive damage but it's one very short second of damage whereas the regular assaultron head laser used by the robots that kill you repeatedly go on for a lot longer this is why they do more damage than the head pistol we use
fluff dafire yup, pop someone with a lock joint syringe and then walk over and shoot them in the face. On its own though it is garbage. Unless you plan to just sneak around and shoot all the people in an area with Berserk syringes. Similar to what I used to do all the time in Skyrim with frenzy, makes clearing places super easy
Complementary to what? A minigun shred? A fatman to the face? If you're sneaky you don't really want to make the enemy fall over like a stick before killing him, it's pointless at best. If your full commando, you don't really care if they do fall over like a stick, you're already in the thicc of battle, swaping guns is just bad practice. If you're gonna blow him the hell up, you just can't be bothered to make him fall over like a stick. The ONLY practical use for this weapon is making people go berzerk. Nothing else. Also, he did realize it, he said himself that the weapon could be useful and fun, if the syringes were a bit less awkward to craft.
The Submachine Gun AKA the single biggest barrier to roleplaying as the Silver Shroud. I reckon it started much stronger, but they found in playtesting that it the Triggermen way too punishing for low level characters, so they nerfed the crap out of the SMG. Also I think the acid soaker would be much better as a set of craftable grenades that poison and lower damage resistance in a decent sized area
DrIvanRadosivic You should, but people don’t. Also the Vault they’re in is just about the best place for a full auto with a really high rate of fire. I don’t mean to excuse their mistake, only to try to explain it
Drake P. While the spray n pray is maybe good, it’s a sub machine gun, which fucking sucks. The only redeeming quality of the spray n pray is the explosive effect, which is an amazing effect. You’d get so much more out of be kiloton radium rifle. Damage is better, better use of effects, you can change the rifle to automatic if need be, and tacked on radiation damage which is dangerous to humans
I found an irradiated flamer on one of my playthroughs. That thing makes very short work of human enemies. I destroyed all the Gunners at Greentech Genetics with it.
It's sad to see how the 45. Auto SMG went from being stupidly and hilariously overpowered (Fallout: NV, Honest Hearts) to being stupidly and frustratingly shitty in the next installment. (Fallout 4)
A Herald of The Aphotic Shadows I understand you. The SMG is dogshit. It does not have any good upgrade path, it’s absurdly heavy and just overall terrible. Even the spray n pray was dissapointment
I got a wounding submachine gun (25 bleed per shot). Needless to say it was pretty funny shooting something a few times and watching their health plummet.
@@darrylhamlin7475 It will require you to be level 50, but IMO by level 50 you should be specing into this 9/10 times considering how useful it is with ferals, children of atom, wild creatures, and various weapons. You could argue that by level 50 you should have enough rad-aways and rad-x's that it's essentially meaningless, but you can always just sell those for caps, and it also saves you time from actually using them. (You could also say that it diminishes one of the key gameplay elements, but it itself is a gameplay element, but I would understand if someone chose to avoid this perk to keep the game more challenging/natural)
I disagree about the 50 cal weapons. My build is around a stealth character, ninja perks, sandman perks, and using a two-shot or instigating prefix 50 cal sniper rifle. I've taken down behemoths and mirelurk queens with one shot that way. Not to mention other tough enemies. Otherwise, good list.
Totally agree with everything you say. With the right perks and a stealth/sniper mentality, I think it's one of the best weapons in the game. My instigating .50 rifle does massive damage on the first shot.
On my last playthrough, I found and Explosive Radium Rifle that just WRECKED EVERYTHING. It did TONS of damage once my Commando and Demolition Expert perks were maxed, plus a lot of extra damage when my Nuclear Physicist was set to two. Hell, I got rid of my Spray And Pray altogether, and almost never got out my usual Instigating Sniper Rifle with .50 cal.
The problem with the .50 cal is not that it is bad, it isn't, these sneaky build can use it quite well, flat damage values are great, the problem is that it is outclassed by a lot of things that it really shouldn't be, like a 5.56 or a shotgun, both of which are cheaper to craft and find, and the latter being so much strong that the weakest shotgun outclasses the best .50, provided you land the full shot. Also, there's Gauss Rifle for you, if you want TRUE damage...
To those of you like me that like the 50 cals in the game, I think this list was made as if the player walked out of the vault and into an armory with every gun in the game, but no bullets. That's the only way I can see how price would even come into play. By the time you're able to craft 50 cal receivers, you have too many caps to care about, so the price of the round shouldn't matter lol
MrWinAgain it’s not that the 50 caps are bad in the sense of there usefulness. As a matter of fact, if you are a stealth/sniper build, 50 cals will be a great choice for you and very useful, the problem with them is that they just aren’t the best sniper rifle in terms of usefulness with other builds. 308’s tend to be more versatile and while damage may not be as high, there upgrade path is a little easier and ammo spawns more frequently, gauss rifles have superior damage and accuracy when invested in the right perks and mods. Really, they’re bad just because there are others that are better in terms of usefulness, which is sad because 50 cals in general are actually very useful, which Bethesda screwed up
Funny thing about the flamer, as I'm sure you've noticed, is that it causes Sentry Bots to overheat quicker. So while it's not terribly useful in most cases, it does have that going for it.
The Pipe weapons suck in general. They're good starting out, but once you get a Submachine Gun or a Combat Rifle, there's no reason to take your Pipe SMG out anymore.
A fully modded pipe rifle is an excellent companion weapon against low-tier raiders, dogs, ghouls etc, as .38 is almost limitless in this game. Give it to Piper and watch her shine. And given how many of them you will find in any single raider camp, they also make very good settler weapons until you attack your first synth stronghold and get hold of dozens of institute laser rifles.
The 10mm is inferior in range compared to a pipe rifle and potentially not enough ammo available early on. The 10mm is possibly better if you have the Gunslinger perk and use VATS a lot.
I actually managed to turn the Acid Soaker into a fairly amusing, if not very effective, joke weapon using console commands. I forgot the order exactly, but I basically attached the legendary weapon effects of the Automatic Laser Musket and the December’s Child (M4 Carbine) to it, as somehow those two can stack if done properly. The result is a very weak, VERY fast-firing laser pistol that takes 5.56 mm rounds for some stupid reason. If you want to use it just as an Acid Soaker, just slap the M4 Carbine effect on it and it’ll consume 5.56 mm ammo and also fire and reload slightly faster. Oh, and one sidenote about the Salvaged Assaultron Head: with maxed out Ghoulish, you can basically use it to heal yourself in exchange for fusion cells, faster than a stimpack will heal you in Survival. If you find yourself with a surplus of fusion cells and short on stimpacks, this can be a lifesaver (albeit one that’s only available with heavy investment in the Endurance tree, but if you’re playing Survival and not running a stealth build, then you should have a lot of points in Endurance anyway), and I took advantage of this in my Mechanist build.
Game Soob unless you heavily invest in solar power in which case radiation slowly goes away. Also there are legendary perks that benefit from being irradiated. There is a build to make out of this.
Anthony Monaghan depends on the level I used a suppressed .50 sniper for awhile but after level 40 it took about 3 shots without vats to kill anything and it only has a 7 shot clip so it really isn’t worth using
I think the puny power increase is so sneak attacks with a modded hunting rifle aren’t overly powerful. Dunno, that’s my best guess. I agree though, the .50 upgrade is working well for me in stealth. But I have a realistic limb damage mod too so my experience can’t be trusted.
Erin Moody it is really just that the increase in damage from a multiplicative stand point is way less then the price increase. It isn’t a gun you should buy ammo for. However go ahead and use a 50 cal weapon whenever you find some ammo for it. It is bad from a damage per bottlecap spent stand point however if you just only use ammo you find it’s perfectly fine.
Looking back at the Assaultron head, i think turning it into a power armor mod would be a lot more interesting and useful. Perhaps an arm modification, similar to the Yautja Plasma Caster (aka Predator shoulder cannon). Especially given that the available arm mods do nothing if you don't care about melee. Would have been a great alternative. Make it take the grenade hotkey and use Fusion Core power (and have it conflict with the jetpack, regardless of which part it would be a mod for). Hold the grenade key to charge it up for a max of 5 seconds, costing 10% power per second, then press the grenade key again to fire. Boom, now you're a psuedo assaultron (or ironman if you prefer).
Somebody has apparently never played an RPG before. While it looks and feels like a modern shooter, Fallout still has its roots in the roleplaying genre. You do realize, that you don't just use every weapon with every type of character, right? For example, while the .44's fire rate is absolute garbage and the .50cal ammunition is heavy and expensive (
The 50 Cal usually isnt worth it but if you have the right perks(rifleman,sniper etc) and the right bonus add ons from either followers or dlc(nuka-world operator perk) they can be deadily also the anti-matiriel rifle fully upgraded is insane with what i just mentioned
op: complains about homing beacon's slow speed Captain Zao, having to crry all the nukes out of the armory, load into launching tube, launch it and wait for it to hit: "Ni xing ni shang a. "
The assaultron head is actually really good, you just have to give it to a pistol specing companion. They'll always shoot a fully charged shot, and they don't take radiation damage.
You might have overlooked the benefits of the acid soaker. One shot of the acid soaker will drop enemy damage resistance by 50, for 7 seconds (non-stacking). So it's actually not a bad 'consumable' to take down hard targets for a gunslinger build. Tag an enemy with an acid shot, then swap to a quick firing weapon like the deliverer, and you can get a lot of value from that one shot.
The stringer is marginally useful for one thing. I use the mind cloud syringe to sneak up behind raiders in power armor and pickpocket their fusion core. This is useful because if you kill them while still in the armor, you don't get the core. But yes, beyond this, it isn't very useful.
What I think can improve some of these weapons, I'm not a game designer and I'm aware some of these ideas may or may not be good ideas but these are some kinds of improvements I think would be nice for some of these weapons: Assaultron Head: Offer more kinds of upgrades like more "cranks"/more damage upgrade offers, upgrades to either reduce or completely remove the rads damage to your player and an upgrade that gives it a similar feel to the standard Assaultron heads from Assaultron's (constant laser beam) oh and it also really sucks in Fallout 76 too so It would be nice to see this happen to the 76 version of this weapon too Submachine Gun: Buff up the damage a bit and give it some upgrade variety (clip sizes, different sights, different ammo receivers) Syringer: Give it more upgrade variety to kind of what it has already in Fallout 76, instead of crafting the different kinds of syringes, turn them into barrels or receivers for the kind of effects and or damage. and an upgrade that allows the player to shoot more than one syringe similar to the effect of syringe guns from TF2 in a way (same thing with the 76 version of this too, it's not that very good) Meat Hook: Reduce the level requirement for it and beef up the damage a little bit Acid Soaker: Greatly increase its damage output and give it a few upgrades (ammo capacity, automatic acid firing) Homing Beacon: Reduce the nuke delays and increase the blast radius of the nukes
I have a legendary hunting rifle I've stashed away waiting to be converted to .50 caliber once I get gun nut 3. Reason is as follows: I am playing a sniper build, so I have a scoped combat rifle using .45, a scoped hunting rifle using .308 and the overseer's guardian. I can silence the first two at gun nut 3, the latter at 4. I just want 3 viable rifles using different calibers should I ever run low on a particular type.
Seems like a bunch of these are based on misuse. The SMG has better DPS than the Combat Rifle and Assault Rifle while also being more plentiful and easy to find than those guns. Additionally the Spray'n'Pray legendary is only outshined by the DLC weapon Splattercannon. Also .50 cal weapons are not about DPS but going for max top end damage for Sneak based builds. A difference of 11 points of base damage (or 27 in the case of Reba II) is a huge difference when you factor in all the Sneak Attack multipliers. Lastly, comparing the value of weapons based on ammo cost makes me laugh. If you are struggling to maintain ammo you are likely doing something very wrong.
Ashtarte the spray n pray is pretty bad. The kiloton radium rifle is weigh better. You can upgrade it further and you can even change the barrel to automatic. Plus, it deals additional radiation damage which is especially dangerous to human type enemies. The spray n pray is much heavier and the damage is on par with the automatic pipe rifle. Even the added explosive effect doesn’t help as much as you think. Believe me, I put these weapons head to head to almost every enemy in the game (both were fully upgraded and had the most powerful mods) and the kiloton radium rifle won almost all the trials. So avoid the god damn spray n pray, it’s trash
The MIRV can be really effective, but only at the cost of a critical hit in vats. This can be remedied if you have a high luck stat, the critical banker perk or a weapon such as the deliverer that can fill your critical meter without using too many action points
The pipe revolver is my favorite of the pipe weapons. I used pistol, and had so much 45 ammo. Also, it was legendary. It was great, because it did around 50 dmg per shot.
I have a Junkie’s cane named “Grandpa’s Off his Meds”. I’d also recommend a mod that makes weapons deal more reasonable damage for .50 cal, miniguns, and Gatling lasers, along with other unmentioned weapons.
SMG with exploding rounds takes the biggest cake i've ever seen. I bought this thing from someone in the Bunker Hill, and this thing is... well, to say that its really good is to say nothing.
i got a legendary that was pretty much spray and pray when i played through the first time. it killed everything, including my interest in fallout 4. i'm truly just now coming back to the game at all, and now i find out that spray and pray is buyable(not random drop only), cheap, and easy to get. Zzzz
I have a legendary walking cane that I give to Nick because I think it goes with his character the most. All my companions have a legendary ranged and a melee in case they run out of ammo. Honestly, I find it funny to see him hitting people with a cane. Such an old man.
With creation club, you can get anti material rifles from New Vegas which use .50cal ammo. Not only is it really good, but the quest to get it is really fun.
Am I the only one that thinks that thinks the Synth relay grenade is useless? Like yes the synths do help kill sometimes but if you are not with the Institute you only have like 15 of them and the Synths do fight you also. Just a mention.
Puma the type of person to go straight to a weapons bench from the vault and make his 10mm pistol automatic, then go to every vendor in the commonwealth and buy 10mm ammo.
Meathook is good early game as i got it as a legendary +30% damage against animals but its not good late game as its damage gets overtaken by better weapons like the bloodletter or powerfist
That assaultron pistol conversion might be bad. But that thing it still gives me shivers when i first snuck into the warehouse tunnel leading FEV room to get the data for virgil. That assaultron snuck up on me and killed my lvl 20 power armor character in 3 shots with the headlaser. took me several retries to find a good position in that tiny warehouse to launch a mini-nuke to kill it before it could get too close. and the last resort suicide explosion is so annoying. I hate them more than deathclaws
You don't have to wait until level 15 to go to Far Harbor, or even have met Nick yet. You just need to head straight to the Nakano house and you can start it, and one of the Far Harbor merchants has a Relentless version of the meathook which is sold at a reasonably low price.
15:35 Lol. A nuke fired from a submarine miles offshore shouldn’t be instant and would MOST DEFINITELY take more than the four seconds it does in the game. Submarines don’t have unlimited nuke capacity, either, much less multiple functioning nukes held in the corrosive waters of an irradiated ocean for two centuries.
I feel that it should be mentioned that weapons like the meat hook definitely can be obtained early on. I've gotten several DLC weapons without going to Far Harbor or Nuka-World thanks to the fact that all weapons can be Legendary weapons that drop from Legendary enemies in the base game. I've obtained the Handmade Rifle, the Radium Rifle, the Lever-action Rifle, Meat Hook, Western Revolver… all without leaving the Commonwealth.
When i first got the homing beacon and the guy was explaining it to me that he will fire a missile from the sub i was super excited, especially since you only get 3. I thought it was gonna be a massive explosion that does tons of damage. But when i threw it i was really disappoint with an explosion the size of a grenade that takes forever to detonate
Until you find an explosive flamer~ Then it turns into explosive fireballs that shoot straight at an enemy... don't ask me how it changes the projectile like that.
His point is that 50 calibar ammo is a pretty uncommon ammo type and rhe difference in damage between it and a reciever for a different ammo type on weapons like the sniper/hunting rifle isn't high enough to make much a difference. He would have likely one shot that enemy anyway with a 380 reciever.
CatManThree goes meow yeah, but sniper rifles aren’t chewing through ammo like automatics. They kill in 1 or 2 shots. And when you do find the ammo, you get like 20 rounds at once.
The pipe revolver is pointless to me because right next to Sanctuary you find a snub nose .44 laying next to the skeleton that has the goody box that you need to flip the breaker down by the water. I suppose ammo for it is hard to find early on is the only reason one might want to use a pipe revolver or is you what to mod it into a rifle but even then there are better choices.
This list is controversial because certain legendary effects on these weapons can take them from not-that-great to godly. Examples: A *wounding* SMG An *instigating* .50 cal rifle
50 cal. weapons likely do a significantly higher amount of damage if you're doing a sniper build. The base stats of a gun are important, but weapon upgrades aren't the only means by which to make them more powerful.
the thing with the assaultronhead is, it also adds teh radiationdmg it inflicts to teh palyer also afflicts teh hitten target. + combined with a teh several rad usingperks it becomes a very good weapon agains any kidn of human enemy, also does not shoot just one shot while cranking but many in short order wich stacks with several other perks. the assaultron head is with tehse facts in mind a rather usefull weapon
I agree. Whether hes fighting op enemies with low tier weapons or says: "Its shit cause of lack of upgrades" how about you go fuck yourself. Unsubbing. Fat fuxk
But what about the paddle ball? 1. It can be found in the Nuka world DLC at the Nuka Cade 2.Needs tickets to own it I don't know how much though 3.A melee weapon 4.String is probably hard to come across I think...I don't know
The syringer besides ammo is funny and affective with the lock joint syringe. They literally turn into statues. And after your done admiring their bodies dead on the floor, (Deacon reference) and if that wasn't enough then you can just take a shotgun or melee weapon and blast their head off.
i usually carry the syringer riflle and some bloatfly larva everywhere i go. helps with leveling up and sometimes a legendary bloatfly will spawn from the dead enemy
I will say in defence of 50 cal, unless you play Survival, you are going to be holding on to a lot of 50 cal ammo before you upgrade the hunting rifle so you will have a good surplus of ammo especially if you have the scrounger perks and if you are using a good sniper rifle, you will only need 1 shot to kill most enemies, I've never had to buy 50 cal ammo and have over 1000 of them on hand at any time.
1st the good: I like the analysis of the pipe revolver. In my opinion the best FO4 weapon analysis you've done! You consider aspects like ease of upgrade. The Cane's merit is its coolness factor. Goes well with a Bowler and Suit. One weapon I miss in the listing is the Paddle ball (from Nuka World).
15:37 as if there's not a huge delay for artillery too, half the time the targets already move out of range so the artillery is useless, and the cooldown period is expected since you're firing a nuke (also artillery has a cooldown so it's not a new problem) also there's only 3 cause that's the point
There is a fine line between a terrible weapon and a purely fun weapon, often something that isn't taken into account. Most of the time, I don't care if it's considered a bad weapon, as long as it's fun to use. Who wouldn't want to beat deathclaws over the head with a rolling pin. Heck now I want to make a Vault Granny run. Ima do it.
All these make sense, But your Play style determines how effective it can be In a fight. for instance, the acid soaker can spray someone down and then use a different weapon to finish off their health.
The 50 cal is a disgrace to the Anti Material Rifle in FNV. It was a beast at one shotting pretty much any enemy. The incendiary and the explosive rounds make it a portable tank.
Assaultron Head gun is weak at low charge, but the full blast is rather deadly. I blow raiders heads clean off. The radiation is a rough drawback but with perk, you can get over it well.
assaultron head isnt terrible, it mostly just gives pistol builds an option for high damage at long ranges, plus if you take the coa perk from far harbor and/or the ghoulish perk it ends up buffing itself by irradiating you/converting energy cells into free healing
