I just love the clips where he struggles to deal damage with the weapon he's talking about for a good minute or so before switching to a different weapon and doing the same job in a fraction of a second.
As for the Butcher: two of the four classes in BL 1 have shotgun/overall ammo regeneration, which completely negates the only Butcher’s problem being high ammo consumption.
same could be said for redemption and lets face it there is not one completely useless legendary in this game even the bugged ones were actually usable.
Plus, you can just use a Defender to regen ammo for all shotguns. Unless you're doing an allegiance run, that is. The Butcher still sucks compared to a Death or a Brute, and they aren't even Legendary or Unique.
Funny how except from the eridian mega cannon, in the gameplay footage you actually shred everything with those ''bad weapons'' yet in bl2 with half descent weapons you are barely killing anything...thats why i always loved bl1 it was so much fun and u never ever actually got overly crappy loot everything was usefull!
pretty much any purple stinger has equal damage and fire rate compared to the wildcat haha. It doesn't make sense to have such an inaccurate smg when there's anarchies around for close quarters encounters
I completely agree, but I would also say the Gasher is pretty good too. Surkov is good if you don't *completely* suck at aiming and you enjoy snipers like I personally do. A very nice new flavor in the sniper genre of weaponry. Wildcat is good if you constantly use phase walk with lilith to get up close and personal. The red flavor text indicates that you are supposed to use it up close. Friendly Fire isn't meant for moderate range as Puma said, I think it has a smiley face pattern of firing because you're supposed to get super up close with like Brick or something and stamp the bullets into the enemy's annoying little face. Gasher does have bad accuracy and recoil, but if you use it like the wildcat, it's perfectly fine. So basically, yes, I do completely agree.
I think the zurkov is actually good, considering that ammo regen is a thing in bl1 the butcher is pretty viable and the friendly fire might be worse than other legendary shotguns, but the worst? I don't think it's that bad
@@lolmcswagger7247 How is a pump action sniper anywhere near a fully automatic sniper that shoots 3 bullets per pop? Fastest fire rate is 1.7 which is barely (or not even?) semi-auto.
Based on what you had said I believed the Gasher was a bad legendary... until I used it myself. I absolutely love it, I agree it’s pretty lackluster in a long range fight but mid to close it is a GOD
VinylicPuma, do you only do Borderlands 1 videos with Lilith, because Lilith is your only level 69 borderlands 1 character or just because she’s your favourite Borderlands 1 character?
I'd probably flip the WIldcat and Gasher, I've found the Gasher just does more damage better, but yeah, I've also found the Butcher is pretty decent as well. The Redemption can work really well on Brick when he's really specced into the Explosive tree as it answers most of it's problems
I was getting legendary drops playing the remaster, had to come to this video to see if they were good or not, I have the cirkov sniper in the wildcat. Mann thats rough
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A lot of these can be good if you get lucky with parts. Which I like. I hate how special weapons in BL2 and TPS can be totally knee-capped by their effects.
The borderlands 1 weapon system makes the borderlands 2 weapon system look like a joke. I played the second game first and then the first one second. The difference is clear, it's like all the borderlands 2 guns are anemic with accuracy. Good vid puma.
This month I'm replaying Borderlands 1 using Lilith and found two Friendly Fire shotguns during my 1st and 2nd playthroughs, with slightly different attributes of course. I don't remember this gun from my previous playthroughs with other characters, but so far it has been one of the best legendary weapons that I've used in this game. Can't agree with it as #1 in this video.
I have a 333 dam 21.9 fr Gasher that I love on my siren, also I have a 454x9 Friendly Fire that obliterates shit, only stronger weapon I have is a 555x7 Unforgiven, and that has a shit fire rate and no element.
Thank God they fixed butcher on 2, and redemption being throw in oblivion and they came with nukem... ~Also, horinzontal projectile really sucks, but, say that to conference call... it don't give a shit...
This looks great. Really wish I could afford a gaming PC. Played this the other day on PS3 and the graphic glitches and clipping was immense. I'm sure my old ass Playstation has alot to do with it. I just never remember the gameplay being so terrible.
Frank Horrigan I actually liked the moon face in the pre sequel but prefer the boomacorn. Sucks that they never put the boomacorn in Bl2 since they were planning on putting it in bl2
I really hope Borderlands 3 returns to a loot system more similar to the first one. Really miss seeing completely nonsensical weapons being spawned. The ones in Borderlands 2 were random but we still pretty much knew what we would get.
Matthew Lemmers Totally agree I really didn't like BL2 because of it I just hated it I just played BL2 again in a big marathon and in a whole playthrough I only got one legendary!
@@nathanpierce2541 if you can believe, I didn't find any orange weapons at all until I killed destroyer in playthrough 1. I was level 34 brick and I found 3 orange guns including baha shotgun in those 7 red chests that you get for killing destroyer. I think that was really bad luck
After seeing the evolution of borderlands 2, I decided not to play borderlands 3. The entire game evolved Into a game too far from the original. I honestly loved the original, bl2 was just close enough for me to play and enjoy it, the dlcs and character development, including tiny tina pretty much is a new game and was too silly compared to bl1
Can someone explain what are the requirements for a legendary is it every weapon with red text or does it need both a orange card and a red text, nothing I’ve looked up helps they just vaguely says it can have red text and orange card but it doesn’t say whether red text only or orange card only.
The legendaries in BL2 are more about being unique then good stats, the worst weapons in BL1 are just as boring as the best. When a weapon has guaranteed stats it's hard to be bad, but in BL2 you get weapons that are wonky to get their dps going, but you definitely can. Makes for dynamic gameplay my dude, you can still use most garbage tier legendaries in BL2 if you build for them (except for shields and stuff). Also causes some weapons to be completely nutty in BL2.
I don't think he does. I was about to flame him if he put weapons such as the Raven, Anaconda or the Bulldog on this list. Tho I don't think he has played BL1 enough to even try to judge which weapons are good and bad. Since he is one of those plebs who ignored the first game and started with the second and hasn't yet to realize that more than a hand full of weapons in BL1 are viable with some builds and not with others.
Why did he not put the rebel or gemini on this list? They're such boring and bad guns, way worse then all of these. The friendly fire is pretty damn solid too, can't believe he put it as the worst.
Crux, Plague (for lance), striker, Bulldog, Hammer are all better. Although he mentions ammo would be a huge downfall, Roland can mitigate that with his regen traits. Butcher is probably not something that should be considered unusable or bad. There's just better choices.
Agreed, but the Surkov I have on Mordecai has a 91.7 accuracy. I was saying that it's good weapon at short to mid range, not typical sniper rifle ranges. Now, the Elephant gun, _that_ can be used at standard sniper ranges, just takes a steady hand.
@@scribejackhammar No-scope "sniper" rifles should be called "safari rifles" and should be a regular thing in all future Borderlands games. Do you also like the Buffalo in BL2? They're totally the sort of thing Hammerlock would use.
I feel like the main thing is he runs most of his weapon testing on Lilith, while a lot of the weapons in the game Excell on certain characters due to skills and such
The Troll's health regen is just way too slow to be worth even equipping, especially when almost every other form of health regen is better. The Surkov is much better than the Cyclops and Troll. With a x1 or x1.5, it's a really good close to mid-range weapon for Sniper builds. I'd say the ammo consumption on the Butcher is worth the burst damage, but the usefulness of one is very much dependent on how good its reload speed is. Both the Hydra and the Friendly Fire can spawn with Carnage barrels (and the Boomstick can spawn with a Friendly Fire acc), gaining all the benefits without the downside of fixed pattern. I'd also say that, with good enough parts, the Friendly Fire's damage/tech bonus is worth the fixed pattern, and not deserving of being the #1 worst legendary. I'd probably give the #1 worst legendary to the Reaper for being one of the rarest weapons in the game but having a bugged special effect. That or the Troll. The Troll just sucks.
The reaper still gives health only the dmg increase is bugged and the fire rate is above average so it gives the dps of an exceptional machine pistol it isnt worthy of its rarity but its not for the trash can.
David Parks no he’s right, Puma just doesn’t like them because they are overpowered as fuck just like with the axton thing. Hes a great character but he isn’t broken so puma says he’s trash. So I recommend you try all of the weapons and characters he talks about before ruining how you play the borderlands games
The redemption's ammo consumption problem can be nearly eliminated with the ability to regen ammo like Roland's Support Gunner class mod and Brick's Wide Load skill.
@@1uup10 Are you sure? Because if I assume he's using English correctly, he definitely says they're all bad. The question is, did he intend to use a new sentence or not :P
Puma's format: 1. So "game name" has a lot of "opposite of video title", .... BUT..... 2. without further a due..."video title" 3. occasionally, phrases like "lets go" or "lets get started" before countdown begins 4. the once in a blue moon appearance of "BOAT LOAD OF A$$!"
ehem... just look at the words in ALL CAPS and you'll figure it out. " So BORDERLANDS 1 (game name) actually has a lot of PRETTY AWESOME LEGENDARIES (the title is WORST LEGENDARIES). blah...blah...blah.... WORST LEGENDARIES IN BORDERLANDS 1 (title) , so without further a due..." this comment looks unintentionally angry, doesnt it?
The Never Vincible I dont like them. I LOVE them! I've been a sub for 2 years now. This was just a joke. If you didn't like it, the dislike button exists.
Your problem is not the fact that these weapons suck they just stuck with characters who are not specialized in those weapons ie using a sniper rifle on anyone but Mordecai is not as good were a shotgun on anyone but Roland is crap and anybody using a rocket launcher who is not Brick is an idiot. SMGS are the only exception because while Lilith is more proficient with SMGs then any other character her forte is Elemental rather than a particular type of gun. The only gun from this entire list I would never use is the eridian Mega Cannon because that model is the absolute worst weapon in the entire game
dont forget about the weapon proficiency level to, i maxed them all out and the flaws hes pointed out are pretty much none existant.. i think hes just bad with em
majik tom These are not bad guns, these are the worst LEGENDARIES. Right? Quotes like "Pretty much any legendary smg is better than Gasher" should help you understand this.
I'm just gonna say right now the very best non legendary gun in borderlands 1 is by far the double anarchy smg and if you don't know what that is think of the lascaux from borderlands 2 but on steroids it's pretty much a shotgun with ludicrously high fire rate
It's not Lv.17. It's Lv.22. It only appears to be 17 when you have it equipped due to a programming oversight that has something to do with weapon proficiencies. To see a weapon's true level, you have to look at it from your inventory. The Savior is made by Tediore and Tediore SMGs occur on the following level tiers: 13, 22, 31, 40. The manufacturer level tier system is rescinded at Lv.46 or 47. Tediore SMGs occur early on, but I forget if they start at Lv.1, 2, or 4. The Bone Shredder is Lv.3 on playthru-1. Bone-Head is Lv.10 on playthru-1 and Lv.37 on playthru-2 and those are both levels for Torgue, so why not make the Bone Shredder a Torgue weapon so it can be Lv.10 on playthru-1 and Lv.37 on playthru-2? *Note:* I know this is a year after the fact, but if your Brick is still Lv.46, then try to get a Lv.40+ Savior. You can use it to regen ammo for all of your SMGs.
@@MrDanielWP If I'm playing Brick, I typically use a mix of skills across all categories and I often use the overlooked Bombardier class mod with rocket regen. Aside from regenninig rockets, it also buffs skills that make explody weapons explodier. I'll typically use a combination of different rockets launchers (acid, fire, and explody, typically two equipped at a time) along with an explody revolver, an explody sniper rifle, and a spiked shotgun. The overall best shotgun, in my opinion, is the S&S Spiked Death. The Spiked Brute is also great.
I keep the cyclops for slow moving targets far away. Never had the wildcat but it makes no sense...There are ones with 69 capacity dealing 400 damage and if it's about quick spray at ultra close range against unarmored enemies I take the double anarchy with way more damage. Good to see that even lilith skills can't make some smgs worth it. What I dislike the most is shotguns with almost no precision but a x4.0 scope on them which further ruins other stats. The riccochet effect that shoots the bullets in a helix seems to lead to a lot of misses imo. I had a redemption with a mag size of 5. The first shot is using 4 rockets, the second one does the same with one.^^
The thing about borderlands 1 is that guns that are truly excepcional usually last for a while, remenber with my first playthrough with Mordecai and I got meself an Ogre, and it carried me pretty much through Pussy the Destroyer till halfway through the knoxx DLC in my second playthrough, just hope that if this game ever gets a remaster of sorts that they add something to the likes of UVHM and allow us to replay the whole story at max level.
You really want to know what the absolute worst guns are in this game? Thumper SMGs. All of them. Doesn't matter if it's a Hellfire or an Anarchy, Thumper SMGs are the absolute worst guns out there. Mediocre damage with the cost of an ass fire rate. You could easily find a semi-auto repeater pistol with a faster fire rate and does more damage than a thumper SMG. And about the Wildcat and Hydra? There is nothing more infuriating than sticking an insanely inaccurate gun up your enemy's ass and STILL managing to miss.
How to effective use these 10 weapons in borderlands 1: shotguns- use roland(Excluding hydra) rockets- use brick or Roland(Ammo regenerative) smg- use ranger mordecai( insanely high accuracy) remaining weapons- avoid them.
Your right about all guns but i like to say that the redeption rocket luncher are one of the best if you use bricks explode build with the right class mod. Not critisiesing (sorry im from Sweden don't know how to spell) i just like to make a point.
The redemption is really good on brick and roland if you have a com that gives ammo regen and roland and brick can give a massive mag increase which makes it quite potent
Clorox Bleach well if you cant hit a fucker from 20m in the head even if your crosshair is on point then something is off isnt it? Thank fuck every strong sniper i found was 96 at least
Wow... I never know that thing about snipers on borderlands 1... so that's why sometimes I miss shots that I have 100% sure that the aim is on the head of my enemy... BUT THIS DON'T EXPLAIN WHY I MISS SOME SHOTS AND AFTER MISSED I SAW THE BULLET EXPLODING RIGHT BEHIND MY ENEMY LIKE PASSING TROUGH HIS BODY... man, that always happen to me...
this why i love the elephant gun, even though it's not that great long range. it makes that up in the mid-range, hell even in close range it's also decent.
In my opinion the wild cat was useful to me while I was fighting general knoxx because it is big and was always on my butt the entire time. It was better to use then the hellfire considering how the wild cat was hitting a lot of criticals.
How's about you play literally anyone else besides Lilith so you can see what they're like with an actual build complimenting them. Like, it's not hard 😂
i dont think cyclops is bad weapon if you dont have better one at the moment. the game has problems with headshots as i cant head shot most times even with mordecai. this weapon guarantees the head shot kill in long range ofc.
the cyclops would be great if BL1 didn't have the extremely obnoxious mechanic of heavily RNG-based shot accuracy where you can miss a mid-range headshot (despite your crosshair being on the enemy's head) because the game says so
Mordecai as a sniper build would benefit from a good scope on a sniper rifle. Just saying. I mean, I sit back and snipe all day with sniper builds in all genres of shooting games. Farther the range the better. Basically a huge zoom would be beneficial in my opinion. I don't like Eridian weapons in BL1 at all, I just hate the recharge rate of them. Yeah no ammo but I rather waste rounds to kill enemies quickly as possible.
Theodd, if you had ears, he did say he played BL2 first. I think the dumb one is you for, being 1, a fucking moron, , 2 , deaf or 3, both a fucking deaf moron.
Me watching this because im new to borderlands 1 finding out that the very shotgun im using is the worst legendary in the game Edit: DUDE ARE YOU F-ING KIDDING ME, I JUST FOUND THE GASHER AND THE SURKOV
The Redemption launcher can be improved massively by putting it in Rolands hands, With my Heavy Gunner Com the magazine is doubled and by the time i have reloaded i have usually regenerated the ammo too
