In your 2-wall stove, if you put a wicking material, say a little bit of fiberglass insulation or rockwool in between the two walls, the priming time for your stove will improve dramatically. Mine pressurizes and primes and all jets bloom at about 15-18 seconds. It’s a marked improvement.
I made the double wall last week and I’ve fiddled with it a couple times. Tonight I put it to the test. I used 2 ounces of denatured alcohol and two cups of water. At about 6:15 it was boiling. At 6:30 it was rolling. I crunched up my noodles and had them in by 7:00. I boiled it for three minutes and took it off. I added the flavor pack and boiled another minute or two. Around 12:45 it went out. Perfect! Just enough without much waste. I’m way too old and fat to do any hiking that would require me to cook food in the woods. But this would be a good thing to have if the power went out. Or just for the fun of it. I use this one and my hobo stove as much as I use my kitchen stove. It’s just relaxing to sit on the porch and cook dinner. Thanks for the video and the tips.
the fastest one i know of is like his penny stove one, minus the penny, with five holes in a dice pattern for the fuel to go in and also serve as additional burn holes. small wad of fiberglas insulation that i can't remember the exact size of helps it vaporize. indoors, will boil two cups of water as fast as a gas stove, maybe faster
I have watched so many of these tutorials and yours is the BEST of all of them. The individual stoves could not be constructed any easier. It was pure joy to watch and I will be making them all. Thank you.
Ape Man don’t really agree. This vid you’ve suggested requires a lot more equipment and weird stuff that’s hard to source. The beauty of these simple stoves is anyone can make them
nice! immediately thought of using a bigger can and was happy you showed the food can with cut outs already and a few minutes later made me realize why this are so familiar to me. this was the stoves we kids (below 10 yrs old) used when we play house and make our own food (small amts/limited resources ) like melt caramel cube candy with one of our fruits (can't remember English name), cook half a cup of rice, get a chicken wire to grill a small fish and buy a cola to complete the meal ^_^. unsupervised independent playtime is required experience before 2000s. lol. we cook using a food can, cut out a window, get small sticks and light them for a stove, pretending using real tools in playing house which we built with sticks, rice sacks and strings as a small lean to/ tent. nice childhood that have no computers or internet. (going in tangent here) kind of sucks because our parents want the kids to spend less time outside and stay home while kids these days barely go out because of watching tv or playing computer games. will be using my aluminum cans to make these so that I can cook away from convenience of the house. small/light weight.
pythia cael yep was my childhood memories. Sleeping outside and cooking breakfast. Open fire and can stoves. Stick and newspaper fire and alcohol when we reached 11-12 yrs old from a chemistry set gotten at Christmas. Lol. Fun hikes all day and fun nights under the stars just my sibling and Me. Miss those days.
Thank you. The best stove video I have seen so far. Fast, simple, easy to follow and to the point. Easy to watch as there was not an over amount of unnecessary repetitive talking on procedures. As always there are people who think they know how to do it better LOL.
When I was a kid in Cub Scouts we made hobo stoves and the fuel was a tuna can with cardboard rolled inside then we melted paraffin wax and saturated the cardboard with the wax. They burned for a very long time.
We did the rolled cardboard and wax in boy scouts . A few years later was using C ration cans and burning diesel and even plastic explosives during a monsoon rain in Laos .
@Beaches south of L.A. - C4 - C3 & det cord can be lit with a Zippo lighter or a match . It burns clean and HOT with no smoke and almost no detectable smell . An electrical or non electrical blasting cap is what makes it detonate . A block of TNT is a different story .
@@QuantumPyrite_88.9 "... High voltage! Done dirt cheap!" Oh sorry. Everytime I see TNT I think of AC DC's DIRTY DEEDS. Anyways that's pretty cool man. Thanks for sharing.
On the penny stove you get more efficiency by putting the holes on the inside of the ring and three or four on the concave. That way it directs the flame to the center of the pot bottom and so have more surface area for the heat to travel across before it escapes up the sides of the pot. I put pearlite in them to regulate how fast the alcohol evaporates and find the penny unnecessary with the small holes you do not need the penny.
@@Bushwakbill Saying, who cares? Why fret about the name rather than just make a more efficient tool? Everything about it is generally the same as the usual penny stove model, they just tweaked the holes and added a wicking material. It's a pressurised stove from soda cans without the large open exhaust port in the centre that the typical CHS have. Still inspired by, built similarly to, and operates just as the typical "penny stove." You could still cover the middle holes with a penny if you wanna be neurotic about the name 🙃
Nice video. First time that I've seen all three stove builds in one video...great idea. I'm also a big fan of "penny" stoves with Esbit stoves for the base & pot holder. A winter time project and fantastic give-aways for camping buddys, or for grand children for the next camping trip.
Great vid, u won me over, that was the simplest and most creative method of making a stove, that i have ever seen, i already have the other stove with the cubes so i will definately make a double wall and a penny stove aswel, nice demonstration.
Just wanted to let you know, I made a double wall stove by you instructions, and it worked out well. I've seen many other videos, but yours seemed like the easiest. I may try making another, maybe with a variation or two, but we'll see. Thanks for the video.
One thing to note is the priming. Both the double walled and penny stoves need priming by heating the can to the point that the alcohol vaporizes. To do that, pour a little puddle on the surface of what you're using your stove on (non flammable of course) and ignite that surface. As the can heats up it will cause the alcohol inside to reach its boiling point and ignite the jets with its vapors. You can make a windscreen/primer fuel catch/pot stand out of any soup or vegetable can that has a larger diameter of your stove cans, although you will need more than a utility knife to cut through those.
For the last year or so I have been using Vienna Sausage cans with carbon fiber mat in the bottom. The carbon mat makes it easier to burn in cold conditions. All you need is a can opener, scissors and a hole punch. I cut the rim off mine to cut down on weight. My current stove is 7 grams.
@@SuperDeut4 I have several of the cat food can stoves. They are a little wider, so better suited for larger pots. I still use them for my bushcrafting. But I went to the Vienna Sausage can to save weight on my hiking cook kit.
I use the carbon fiber wick in my stoves. I use a tuna can size can with a Sapporo Beer can (they are stainless steel) this is much wider - more stable, and durable.
When I made my penny can stove, one of my friends was adamant about it not working unless it had something to use as a wick. When I lit it and it started burning without anything inside of it he was completely amazed. I took a look at one he made and he had used a 16 penny nail to made his rim holes with, not only that but he used a quarter inch drill but to make his center hole!!! I told him why that was why his wouldn't work without a wick material. I was surprised that it even lit at all (I love him dearly but some times even your friends need mental help!!! 🤣🤣🤣). I used a coffee can instead of a peach can (don't hate me) and used an old triangle tipped can opener to put holes both around the bottom and top rim on the sides of the can. I also cut the square in it so now I can use it as the wind screen or my penny stove or something similar to a rocket stove. Thanks for the videos!!!
Look for GOYA Coconut water cans in the "ethnic isle" at the grocery store. They are 17 oz. They are super heavy gauge aluminum.....burly as hell..... I have made ETOH stoves out of them and they are way less prone to damage in your pack!! Great vid, as always, bro!!
@@JohnCarter-gz8js I thought that was for drinking out of aluminum container, not using alum cans for stoves. The stoves don't actually burn, that just get a bit hot.
Yeah they work. I can cook a whole meal in a 12 inch frying pan on one of those. Nice thing about that wind shield can is it can be used as a n emergency rocket stove and burn twigs if you run out of fuel.
Handy to know and well explained. My old secondhand Swedish army Trangia is almost indestructible so unless you are an animal with it it will last a life time
i am just going to build it, and add the burners replace my old coleman gas fuel and use alcohol burners instead for indoors. thanks for your presentation
Just make sure you have a pre-1982 penny. I can not tell you the amount of pennies I have melted back when I used this stove. Pre-1982 is 95% copper. Anything newer is 97.5% zinc.
Looks to be the most robust I've seen in a lot of versions I have seen thanks for your time and excellent presentation from Belfast will be trying to make 1 for myself
Hey Belfast!!! Was in your area during the war way back when. I was 24 then now Im 75. I love your people and had many happy memories with you people. Wish you all the best. Wanda from USA.
👍👍👍 .. nice, thanks for sharing. Yep, I've built them all and more 😊. The Esbit Folder is also my favourite Pot Stand .. makes for a firm base and it's robust. I've had mine since 1968 .. it was my original Military Issue when I started my National Service in our Defence Force .. and still going strong. It also lends itself to home-grown aluminium wind shield inserts that can be used as and when required. My favourite is a variation of the centre 'Penny Stove'. I just use one can .. normally a discarded 200ml Energy Drink Can. Discarded because I do not drink the rubbish inside .. actually any so-called 'soft drink'. * Remove the Tab from the top of the can. * Punch some extra holes in the top lower section around the inner edge, longitudinally opposite the Tab Opening. Experience and preference aka trial and error will determine how many and how large. * Cut the bottom and top off the can. Trim, clean, remove the remaining tab piece from inside the top section and then very slightly 'flute' the bottom of the top section of the can cut-off. * Fill the top section with Ceramic / Glass Wool (Fibre Glass) or Carbon Cloth. * Assemble and that's it. The Filling reduces the risks associated with inadvertently knocking over a filled, burning stove and doesn't (my personal thumb suck) appear to visibly affect the stove efficiency. I cook full English Breakfasts on the above-mentioned setup. Yes, refilling is required, but that does have it's own advantages .. fuel conservation and reduction in the spill fire hazard. Keeping the already cooked food warm while preparing the other? A 'Bain Marie' using a set of rectangular military-issue aluminium Mess Tins ('Dixies') .. or other .. easy peas 😁. Take care ..
Definitely the Penny Stove but made deeper to hold more fuel. Tomorrows project !...great stuff ! .....DAMN .....now i have to go and buy some cans of BEER !..... ;-))
Gr8 Info. (Saved to Survival playlist.) thanks for showing multiple can options. I use those esbit cubes all the time.But I love the versatility of the lil alcohol stoves too.
Depends on the purpose. If you are out camping and just want heat then a Dollar store wire basket works really good as there is plenty of airflow to feed the fire (use small twigs and wooden scraps). For cooking however, you need a steady heat or your food won't cook evenly due to the fluctuating heat source from the fire. Tea-lite candles work OK for this but a butane stove works the best. If all you need is cheap and smokeless heat indoors (and very very minor cooking) during the winter the alcohol burners and tea-lite candles work great. I prefer tea-lite candles since I can get them very cheap (about $5.00 for 100). After the tea-lite candle burns out then you can use the remaining wax as a fuel source in the fireplace since wax burns nicely and will help assist getting the fire going Use the tea-lite candles with a flower pot and you have yourself a nice small heat source for a small room like a bathroom. Be careful though. Use a pan cookie pan or a large flat dish underneath the candles or fire source in case the fire gets knocked over.
I use a single can to make the penny stove. I cut both the bottom and top off, instead of two bottoms. Put a few smaller pin holes next to the big fill hole. The penny on top 'seals' the fill hole, so some pressure can build inside. You can use a penny/coin, or a round bit of metal. You can use a Scotch-Brite pad or steel wool to remove the paint, if you don't like a clean/shiny look for your soda can. The cat food stove needs some air holes or a pot stand. Use a hole puncher to put about 5 or 6 air holes around the top rim. There are TWO versions of the cat-can stove: one is called "fancy Feast" stove, and is better, IMO, and the other is the simple stove you see here. ONE ounce of fuel is the usual amount to add to the stove. It should heat 2 cups of water to near-boiling.
After playing with many kinds of DIY stoves over the years I have found the Fancy Feast is easy to make, works the best, no priming, needs no pot stand. Sure the flame is not as cool, but as a working stove it works the best.
..this was a great demonstration on the economy of expenditure of energy!! It's interesting to note - you didn't include any lint material like carbon felt.. I'm assuming, is unnecessary!?! Thanks buddy!!
So I’ve built the penny stoves before, when I was like 12-13 they worked quite well. I couldn’t ever build the double wall type for many reason one is not knowing how to make measurements. Well it’s been 10 years since I’ve built my last alcohol stoves( penny stoves) until today I was finally able to build the double wall stove following your video 3 cans one stove didn’t have to re do, or anything. I did use cotton in mine, and it burned for 31 minutes. The tape I used was the foil tape it was 1in and 7/8 wide the wall was 2in and 1/8th. hope I said the measurements right lol. I also cut 4 notches in the wall since I used a wicking material(100% cotton balls) they were un rolled and placed around the wall snug but not packed tight.
Handy addition to these is pot permanganate and glucose, great in wet/windy conditions and makes them almost selflighting, you just put the P.p. on top, then glob some liquid glucose onto that, little stir and wait for chemistry to do its thing,
For your bigger stove, the one you made 1st, looks perfect for a sterno stove type thing. I have a very lightweight camping grill made by n for sterno cans but I use a medium sized alcohol stove instead. Has built in grill and wind screen
I've just used the to of the can, instead of cutting the bottom of a second can. I can make 1 whole stove per can. It gives an easy way to add fuel, and create less waste from using two cans.
Call it nitpicky but i belive they are better reffered to as alcohol burners since they still require a stove to put the pot on. Ive seen a great cat-can-stove design with a cylinder in the middle and some wicking material around it to keep it centered. My personal favorite is a food can with two rings of holes, one large (6-10mm) like 2-3 fingers from the bottom and one slightly smaller one (5-6mm) about one finger from the top. That one might also benefit from some wicking material in it but i havent tested it. Let it prime for a bit until the flames push out through the small holes once the pot is on. Done
Fantastic Video, you can really multitask. your explanations were very concise and clear. Great Job. I am going to make all three of these stoves now these now :-) thank you for making this video!
LoL @ "Not that I'm accident prone, but I don't wanna make an ass of myself on a video". Bruh, we carry the same curse. Great vid, and thank you for sharing!
Thank you, very good video! I have been using alcohol stove for years and in cold weather I found out the importance of isolating stove from ground. It is not a good idea to put alcohol stove directly on the snow. Always insulate it somehow.
Fourth option... an empty sterno can. Drill holes around the edge. Fill it through the center hole. Then light through the center hole and once it warms up.. replace the center cap.
Thanks for your video. Very interesting and informative. I'm not certain that the double-walled one is "more efficient". I think it's just that the center part is also lit, in addition to the holes in the periphery - so it's basically just an open one like your tuna-can stove (but of course, the holes allow for better aeration through separation. The "more efficient" one is probably the penny stove actually, as it has best aeration, and probably not as much of a hot spot in the center to burn your food in the middle. To get that one hotter, I suppose you can just double the amount of holes - perhaps in 2 concentric rows to avoid tearing the can apart.
Well, here is the thing. He didn't show how to cook with them. Once the double walked stove gets primed, that is where the alcohol gets hot enough to boil, then you can set your cooking pot right on top of the stove. The combustion continues from the Jets on the outside, there is no flame in the center as long as your pot is sitting on the stove. Hope this helps.
Top stove by far is the Capillary stove. Even easier to build and weighs less. Not to nitpick, but none of these shown are "stoves," they are "burners." Difference? Stoves hold a pot, burners require a pot-stand. The Capillary stove is an actual stove, not a burner.
+Atimatik Army never had much success with cooking directly on the stove. It reduces the heat so much it take about 3 times longer to boil water, or about 3/4th of the time it will just snuff it. If you use the channel method or make the stove taller and locate the holes further down the side it works better directly... but it still kills the heat output and therefore I don't cook like that.
Dynamic Prepper Interesting, and I have noticed that as well, sometimes it sucks too much heat out and you loose the bloom. What is the channel method you speak of? I wish there was some scientific testing down with total burn times, amount of fuel required for a given amount of water to boil, time it takes to boil, etc, etc. It would take some work. Also, it would be cool if they had the majority of all versions of alcohol stoves as there are so many variations, it's crazy! I know that's asking for a lot, but would be cool to look at it on strictly scientific level to help choose the best overall stove design!
Have to agree with a double wall side burner. No pot stand needed and for your pot sucking too much heat all you need to do is hold it above the flame while you wait for the stove to bloom. For a GSI cup sized pot I make the stove from SB espresso cans with the sideburner holes 1/2" from the top. When it blooms your flame pattern is on the radius of the GSI cops bottom. Boils good and if you want to heat up food you get better results by heating the outside edge of your pot.
for the open type (not penny stove) can do it with a single can, cut the top out, use center for section double wall, and bottom for bottom. advantage is flame holes can be down about 1/2" below the can top (just above bottom of taper), when you set something directly on its top that big center flame goes out for the jets to take over. good flame height for more heat too. using a can bottom doesn't give the angle+distance that a can top does. really convenient for boiling a pot of water on or for a small skillet. a 24oz can penny stove about 2" tall is an excellent fit to a sterno grill frame, they fold flat. takes care of the wind issue with their aluminum sides. good capacity for plenty of time when cooking, make coffee and cook a full breakfast both no prob. *assembly tip* : use a full can to get the top can stretched out a little larger, makes joining lots easier. if top slightly longer it can be wrapped under, it's just an appearance thing, I prefer top over bottom
You forgot one big advantage of these stoves...they're silent! I hate using a gas stove early in the morning if there are people still sleeping nearby as they're so loud! Also, the double wall burns a lot quicker without a pot on top to block the center...the pot does the job of the penny.
Check out the Spiguyver Backpacking channel here on RU-vid, he has done a bunch of boil tests with different stoves. The fancy feast is arguably one of the best, but the jury is still out on which is the best in most cases.
hiram's fancee feest stove with cat can, tomato can and carbon felt is da bomb. I think coloradocamper worked out a proper simmer ring for it as well to make it work for frying and dry baking.
I only make a small stove anymore and use it for one cook set. Any more I'll use a trangia stove but my go to alcohol stove is the evernew titanium stove with the cross stand. Yeah it's $35 for the stove and $15 for the ti cross stand but you'll never crush it!!
Another easy idea is a tuna can with corrugated cardboard (little less than the height of the can) coiled up in the can to act as a wick. Then fill with melted wax (paraffin). When cool, the wax is solid and doesn't spill, and is easy to carry in a back pack. It lights easily, burns well and lasts a very long time. You can easily carry a second one as backup. No fuel to carry is an advantage. Your penny stove worked well, smooth burning.
Would it be safe and okay to make a larger penny can stove and use a different type of disk for the top? Or couldn't you just use 3 of them and spread them out a bit underneath your pot?
Great video good job on the stoves. I build some as well and your doubled wall stove you can simplify that build and use one can. Still great video thanks for sharing
Perfect for power cuts if you need to cook food but don’t wanna go to all the effort of making a fire outside that’s if you haven’t got a wood burner of course like I don’t but perfect, simple construction especially the cat can stove which I will definitely be stocking up in event that the power goes down for more than 5 minutes
That’s why I made my penny stove. We get the occasional power outage from wind or ice storms. Nor easters are getting more common too. I use mine in the basement where the concrete floor and walls won’t burn if anything goes really wrong. So far it hasn’t killed me in the time it takes to bacon and eggs.
I have done this five times now with different sizes of the holes and various number of holes. It burns tiny in the center and then goes out in a small poff! Can it be the alcohol? I use the same alcohol in my Trangia and it works just fine.
Is tere a way to make a fuel bottle? The first thing I think of is the extruded aluminium beer bottle, as long as it seals well, with a (guarantee) that it won't leak. You don't want fuel leaks in your bag/pack or otherwise!
Don't confuse power for efficiency. Probably these stoves are very similar in efficiency, but not in power (i.e. how fast do they burn). As long as you see a blue flame, all the alcohol is burned and converted to heat. To maximize efficiency of your overall system, you probably want to have a good windshield / heat exchanger to make sure that there is maximal contact between the hot air and your cooking pot.
This is a great video that I saw on RU-vid. What I am wondering is where do you buy alcohol fuel cheap ?? Seems that all the clean fuels are just so expensive. Even K-1 Kerosine water clear is 10 bucks minimum per gallon at the big stores. Talk about highway robbery. What is your trick Dynamic Prepper.
hey man awesome video. you metioed the esbit stove as a base so i grabed one i got as a gift rummaged the pantry and found a sardine can square that tucks right into the stove when closed. i wonder how easy it would be to make one out of a sardine can.
Nice stoves but in my opion to manny holes so they burn way to hot for baking also they burn the fuel in 5 - 10 min. I would make 8 litle holes and combine the disign of the first two stoves and make it as big as the first one and put rockwool in the midle so if your stove fell over the fuel stays a few seconds inside the stove. Also when i know i buy a soda can for making stoves i often sand off most of the paint bevore opening the can. Burning paint is not good for humans. I have to say this video is awesome. Thank you. Greetings,, Kitty.
