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When he mentioned that certain "mainline protestant churches" are big tent with any variety of unbiblical teachings it just brought to mind how important Biblical Church discipline based on strong Christian doctrine really is.

“Relative” is definitely the right adjective to use for how conservative these denominations are. I came back to faith in what was considered one of the most conservative episcopal churches in the country. It was the most liberal church I have ever attended.

Interesting to have this conversation about denominations becoming liberal because of conservatives fleeing and Joel has his book "Fight by Flight" sitting on the table next to him lol

60 yr old here. :)

Thank you so much for having me on your channel, pastor Webbon! This was a good discussion

My father was Methodist. A lot of the conservatives, including my dad, left and went to Anglican. I've tried to talk to him about coming back to the Baptist side but as reformed, like myself. His wife was very Catholic, so that's one argument why he won't and he claims Baptists are legalistic (I guess there was backlash from when he left my mom so he seems to want nothing to do at all with anything "Baptist"). He's now just fine with female "pastors."

Ditto the shoutout for @gorebruce his teaching is excellent. He always responds to posts on his channel and would be loved on this show! I think being a JD and his experience with law and words gives his seminar-style way of teaching that much more interest and excitement. All this is coming from a Seventh Day Baptist.

Good idea

I left the United Methodist church after several years and found a biblically sound Baptist church.

"You're stuck fighting one church at a time" Good thing that God is making it more and more clear, that we have a multitude of fellow faithful Christians willing to stand up if they have support.

Finally!!!

30:26 I LOVE BRUCE GORE!!! The wife and i are both 1689 baptists but i love his lectures on revelation and church history!!!!

It started with women teaching boys. They can teach other girls or women only.

Bruce Gore is great on his teaching on the book of Revelation.

We got our Apostolic Succession from Gregory the Great, and we have the AV Bible, the Prayer Book 1662/1928, and the 39 Articles, so we don't have to worry what Welby or Francis are saying or doing.

Yes! I would love to see more interactions with Redeemed Zoomer!

Yes

Wonderful young man. Good show.

I can't wait to listen to you guys. Just off of the first 30 seconds I can say I have my doubts about the Episcopal and United Methodist Church, the latter of which I grew up in. I'm now mostly Baptist with a few Presbyterian beliefs, and my grandmother is still Methodist(and a great Christian Woman), but goes to an independent Methodists church that split from the United Methodists. It is perhaps better to win those over first before the United Methodist, but I'm eager to see what the conversation is about. I have to be honest. I do often miss the more structured form of Methodists worship in terms of practice sunday to sunday.

Baptists put to much importance in water baptism , especially the one by ''immersion'' ! Very instructive video Merci.

The Church Impotent by Leon Podles 1:09:00

The future king of England, William, is calling for the end of the King, being head of the Church of England. He is not a Christian.

I think the question of whether these mainline denominations are worth fighting for comes down to whether or not you agree with the theology behind them. My grandfather was an Episcopal priest who entered communion with the Roman Catholic Church in the early 1980s. On one hand, he joined the Catholic Church because of how liberal the Episcopal Church was, but on the other hand, he also believed that the Catholic Church was the one true Church and he had always wanted the Episcopal Church to re-enter communion with Catholicism. It was clear by the 1970s, with their female priesthood, gay marriages, and botched apostolic succession that this was just never going to happen, so he jumped off the train. If he didn't believe that Catholicism was the true Church that all Protestants should be moving toward, perhaps he would've stayed and fought for the Episcopal Church. It's a question Episcopalians, ELCA, United Methodists, etc. need to ask for themselves, as I'm sure many had. By the way, the theory about nuns playing with baby Jesus dolls being the foundation of modern feminism seems very crazy to me. I don't see what is feminist about nuns having baby Jesus dolls, although I agree that it is weird.

The UCC isn't all former puritans. They united with a lot of unitarian churches hence why some of them don't even hold to the virgin birth. Those unitarians who united with Universalists became well the Unitarian Universalists.

So awesome to see Redeemed Zoomer on here haha initally started into reformed theology with RRM, got into RZ about 6 months ago. This is crazy haha

There is actually a UCC Church that believes in inherency. That is the definition of isolation.

Former Nazarene here...Nazarene have been ordaining women from the beginning and are around 115ish years old. Historically there were not a large percentage of women ordained until recent years. I would guess that if one were to graph the increase in women ordination in the Nazarene church and the increase in false teachings within the denomination you would have a very similar graph. They are quickly incorporating NAR teachings and aligning with IHOP and the like. There are even a couple affirming congregations now.

The is one of/ if not the best conversation on this channel.

It the Episcopal Church was important in the founding of the country, it was most important in Virginia. In Colonial times, the Episcopal church was THE "official" state church of Virginia. All others (Lutherans, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc) were prohibited. My ancestors were Quakers who came down to Virginia in the 1700s, and I don't know how they survived! Maybe they met secretly, I don't know--but according to historian David Barton, you could be imprisoned or potentially killed in colonial Virginia if it was found you were anything other than Anglican

Excellent show. Joel, have him on again.

REDEEMED ZOOMER IS BLOWING UP!!! thank the Lord, these are the first steps to taking back the mainline protestant churches

I need to see a mention of the Reformed Episcopal Church, which broke off from the mainline Episcopal church in the late 1800’s.

I really liked this kid!

Zoomer, u are awesome, love the work u are doing. It inspires be as a SBC pastor to stay and fight for truth in my denomination even when things are hard and that it’s worth it.

I am a fan of Redeemed Zoomer and Joel Webbon. Im glad they did a podcast together 😃.

Keller a fundamentalist?🫤😖🤣

Love his concern for the survival of historical mainstream institutional CIVILIZATIONAL Christianity. This what we used to call “Christendom”. Unfortunately for him, the oldest largest most significant mainstream body of Christendom is the Catholic Church. Not to mention Catholicism knows something about “Reconquista”. But seriously, If you’re a Protestant who really cares about recovering institutional civilizational Christendom, you’re on the path to Rome. Let’s look at the numbers… Luth, Calv, Anglicans and Methodists count for 13% of Christians. That’s “Classical/Historical” Protestantism. But 20% of Christians are either Baptists, Pentecostal or Nondenom. Low church modern Protestantism is the majority. All together Prots count for ~36% of Christians. non-Catholic Eastern Churches are home to ~11% of Christians. 9% of Christians are Eastern Orthodox. With half of that being the Russian Church and the other half located primarily in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Compare that to the 53% of Christians who belong to the worldwide Catholic Church. We are the institution that was left behind. This fleeing from Rome coincides with the fall of Christendom. Let’s just be real

Hey! Joe! I'm 19 okkk? 🤨

Sbc is still hijacked

A Presbyterian Hyper Conservative Church would be one that is Psalm singing only. No hymns.

Female ordination, charismatic gifts, alphabet soup affirming, non sacramental

I'm not sure egalitarianism (ordination of female pastors) affected all Protestant denominations equally 🤔

When Paul refers to the fall re: the role of women, he’s not saying that women are more easily deceived; Adam fell for the exact same deception. Rather, he is noting how women are more deceptive than men. Satan didn’t deceive Adam, Eve did.

I have to respectfully disagree with Joel when he says that if he baptizes 5 children who are born to regenerate Christian parents and are born in the church, and 5 adults, mostly young adults in their 20's, for whom the veil has been temporarily lifted by God so they can see the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for what it really is, the odds are greater that the first five will remain regenerate and avoid apostasy than the latter 5. My experience, both lived and online, has shown me a shocking number of kids who were born in the church and serious born again, evangelical believers, to the point where they were evangelizing for Christ as early as their preteens, and not due to the influence of their parents, but because they were that ON FIRE for Jesus, then they reach H.S. or College and do a complete 180 apostasy. Not exclusively, but especially H.S. to College age girls. I've lost count of the girls who gave me their testimony, Christian since birth to atheists and sexual deviants (strippers etc.), and it breaks my heart every time. AND YET, I took advantage of girls like that into my 20's when I got saved, and now, till this day, I'm still remorseful about it. Believe me, I have a lot to repent for, but I know WAY MORE kids who were raised in the church and went 100% depraved, atheist, apostate, than people who came to Christ after getting beat to a pulp by this demonic world, and you couldn't get most of them to return to the world if their lives depended on it. They know it's FOOLS GOLD, while too many kids born in the church look at their friends seemingly having fun and get tired of depriving themselves. Aside from the kids I saw it with in H.S., which was A LOT, stories of that same apostasy are endless online. "It's the sick who need a physician." Jesus was referencing a double meaning: Physical & Spiritual. The latter KNEW they needed Jesus as much as the former. Meantime the Sanctimonious, chosen Pharisees conspired to have Christ crucified. Lastly, just watch the atheist testimonies on RU-vid. There are more than a few and it will sicken you when you hear they were raised in the church. I wasn't even raised in the church and it sickens me! I wish I had that advantage in life, instead of a mob father in prison. My father went to prison when I was an infant and I didn't see him again until H.S.

I don't take any of this personal. I'm a non-denominational evangelical. In the 1980's they were fighting the culture war harder and in larger numbers than every denomination combined. The "Christian Coalition" was comprised mostly of evangelicals. Not exclusively, but they were definitely on the front-lines! IMO the Cultural Marxists would have flipped America as far back as the 80's if not for the Christian Coalition supporting Reagan in the tens of millions. After Reagan they were demoralized by Bush I & II and lost their passion for politics, then came back for Trump in 2016 followed by the stolen election of 2020. They know it was robbed. I just hope that doesn't demoralize them again for 2024. Go look at old Christian Coalition rallies for Reagan. They look like Trump rallies in 2016. That said, much of that older generation has passed-on and America is more atheist than ever, that's why you'll never see another 49 States landslide like Reagan had in 84, or even Nixon's landslide when Christians first became politically active due to their disdain for the counter-culture (Cultural Marxists).

YOU are not to judge who is saved and not saved. 😵‍💫

The Eastern Orthodox Church is the Church established by the Lord and His Apostles

I love Redeemed Zoomer. He is doing such a great job. But I worry about his view on Biblical Inerrancy. Could you please ask him to explain his stance there? Not a hill to die on. But still an interesting question

This kid has a bright future

The guy could use some humility. He often talks about topics he has no idea about, then comes off looking like a clown

Definitely loathe reformed theology & the Assemblies of God are even worse