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What about the seleucids? they got all the bonuses of the macedonians, some roman legionnaires, chariots and elephants o.o

Seleucids should be no lower than 2. Elephants, legionnaires, and Cataphracts. Leaving them out is a huge error or oversight.

I thought the Seleucids would be up there because of their mix of Greek phalanxes ,Parthian horsemen, and Carthaginian elephants .

Gotta admit, when I read the Silmarillion this is not how I imagined Melkor's voice sounding. Awesome video boss!

No Seleucids?! Come on they have everything: They have Macedon's pikes and cavalry, Carthage's elephants, plus chariots and cataphracts and legionaries!

Seleucid empire 😪 they are like the greeks and macedons but have also elephants and catafracts.(i know i spelt it wrong). And i know this is just your opion. +they also have legionairs.

#5 Greece: "This is SPARTAAA!!!" #4 Germans: cheap phalanx, great armour piercing, good archers, insane cav, berserkers #3 Macedon: best pyke phalanx, gr8 cav #2 Seleucids: almost Macedon but with Legions, elephants, cataphracts and chariots #1 Rome: OP as hell...

2:44 "My main issue with Greece is a mental issue" ... harsh lol

Kind of surprised to see that you forgot about the Seleucid, they have the best cav units (compagnions and cataphracts)good pikes and very good silver legions (and the ele)

I dont play campaigns much but here's my list #5 - Germania/Gaul I feel like are very underappreciated in this #4 - Britannia/Egypt for ez chainrouts #3 - Greeks because hoplites with upgrades dont break as easily as pikemen and are pretty decent #2 - Seleucids for great inf + cav #1 - Rome because obviously

I personally prefer hybrid factions over factions with a defined niche. Pontus, Armenia, and Thrace are all some of my favorites for this reason alone.

I was actually hoping for a video like this you read my mind great content as always

oi oi oi, where are the seleucids? most well rounded faction in the game imo

Another good vid, thanks a lot Melkor. Keep up the good work.

You make me want to make Total War videos too 😂 We're the same age as well. You're killing it, Melkor.

I admit to a certain level of "zerg" tactics in Total War. I like factions that have decent to strong low tech, early game units. With such an army, your troops are expendable, so there's no such thing as a Pyrrhic victory, and you can retrain like 9 units per settlement per turn in this game. As much as I love the Seleucids, you have to win the tough early game with their low morale troops. By the time you get their advanced units, you've pretty much already won the campaign. I've never understood why the barbarian factions are so disparaged. Having top of the line units available at a tier 3 settlement is a huge advantage.

What about the Selucid Empire with their Legionaries, Elephants, Pikes, and cavalry?

Where the hell are the Seleucids ? SECOND place AT LEAST.

Nobody: About90%of the comments in this comment section: *Yo where the seleucids at?*

I'll have to take your word about the cavalry since I still haven't gone through the reforms in my Let's Play as the Brutii on M/M at the moment. Though, I've definitely won a few battles thanks to having a lot of equites around to hammer weak spots in the enemy line.

I'd love to see a video on how to properly use unique units in M2TW that seem weak if just thrown in. Dismounted Imperial Knights (hre) and Venetian Heavy Infantry are examples that don't seem to fight as well as their stats would indicate

I would put Pontus as number 2 - Sarissa Phalanx - Pontic Light Cavalry (ranged attack AND good in melee) - (Scythed) Chariots - Cataphracts - Onagers - strong General's bodyguard they have access to pretty much everything

I agree with many here. Seleucids being absent entirely, even from Honorable Mention, is a glaring error. They should be at least number 3.

Btw, it’s pronounced “Poy-ni.” Like “boy” with a P instead of a B and ni like the Knights who say “Ni” from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Another phonetic pronunciation would be “Poi-nee” like “Boi” and “bee.” Just wanted you to know so you could pronounce it better for next time.

I feel like the Seleucids are #1, they have strong pikemen, they get silver shield legionaries, they have decent archers, strong cavalry, and access to armoured elephants. But that's just me.

I would like to se such rating of MED2 rosters. Especially because many of them are quiet similar.

Personally, I found that the post-Marian Roman Army's only real issue is no pikemen, but they don't really need them since any cavalry army that charges you should be eating quite a bit of artillery and ranged before they get into pila range. Archer Auxilia I found to be a very capable missile unit for my needs - Cretan Archers may have them beat in stats (been a while since I played so I'm not sure), but at least Archer Auxilia can be trained anywhere with a sufficiently high tier ranged building and don't have the mercenary price hike. Though I personally like the Seleucid roster the best just because it has good options for everything and in enough power for what I need - the main issue is that their campaign is pretty poor because their low tier units are just not that good for the situation they face - Militia Hoplites are some of the best garrison units in the game for very good reason (cheap, you can nullify their weakness to being flanked by urban positioning, easy to train), but the issue is that letting the enemy siege you means that you're losing valuable turns that you need to tech up because bluntly put, the Seleucid roster is a late-game roster. Doesn't matter in custom battles, but it's quite a noticable pain in campaign.

Melkor: *says literally anything negative about the Macedonian roster* You’re talking some mad shit for somebody in pretty solid companion cavalry charging range.

4:44 I'm going to nitpick here. 2,000 years before Rome TW's setting would be somewhere between the late Old Kingdom and early Middle Kingdom. Horses were not a thing in Egypt during that time period. The Egyptians didn't even start using chariots until the New Kingdom (c. 1550 - 1069 BC) and mounted cavalry wasn't a thing until the Late Period (c. 664 - 332 BC). The Egyptians in Rome TW resemble something more from the early Iron Age. It's still too early for this game's setting, but not 2,000 years too early ;) Edit: Pikes and phalanx formations weren't introduced to Egypt until Greek colonisation, which is anachronistic to how the Egyptians are otherwise portrayed, but not for the game's time setting, interestingly. It's a bit of a mess!

Perfect armies right here

Seleucids are number 1 by far, good infantry, great cavalry, elephants and chariots, missiles are just decent, but so are the roman missiles

I really like German's roster because early phalanx is a difference maker at the start of the campaign and they have so many different elite units. From screeching women to Berserks and Gothic cavalry.

Melkor, u should make(before tier) a screen or do a little subtitles in corner with nation about u talk

Have you any mods to rome that you usually play? i mean something what will improve game like radious to newer ones TW games

Scythia is a faction I like, and one I hate, when playing other factions they can be a threat, but the A.I is beatable, when you play as them you will find that 5 units of the base horse archers can wreck a full army, but the one real issue is armored hoplites, which the Greeks have.

I know how to resolve the disagreement between MELKOR and almost everyone who commented below: how about we petition him to do a series of multiplayer battles with members of the audience where he is the Greek Cities and his opponent is the Seleucids, and just...see what happens! [Maniacal laugh] Oh, and require a minimum of four non-general cavalry units per side so he can demonstrate the "decent" Greek cavalry everyone's been asking about. :D It's okay, MELKOR. We wouldn't be here if we didn't appreciate the content you continue to deliver on what is probably the most beloved game in the entire Total War series. :)

1/2/3/4) Julii, Brutii, Scipii and SPQR 5) Seleucids

Selucids? Pikes, legionaires, cataphracts, companions, armoured elephants, and chariots

Do top 5 worse rosters

Hello Melkor, on what setup are you playing the game? How did you fix the lag issue if you had it? I cant fix it and I'm stuck around 25 fps.

"pikes are better than hoplites" he says as he uses the strongest pike unit in the game to crush a unit of basic hoplites XD

Came to represent the Seleucids Empire, and realized the comment section has been conquered by the Seleucids 😂.

i really love dacian roster because dacia unlike other barbarian factions have elite "noble" versions of infantry, cavalry AND archers which makes their armies amazing.

i think pontus has a good roster as well they have pikeman they have chariots they have kataphrakts missile cav etc

One of my friends playing as the Numidians once defeated me instantly as the Seleucids (camels counter cathaphracts, he had elephants and archers). My infantry routed before engaging.

I honestly expected Seleucids if you're gonna mention two hellenic factions... Which I would agree with, but would still think it's rather obvious. Germans have phallanxes, screeching women, naked fanatics, gothic cavalry... Brittons have woad warriors, druids, head hurlers and chariots... Thracians have barbarian falxmen, the bastarnae and otherwise are a hellenic faction. In my opinion more interesting than Macedon & Greece, or at least deserved a spot on the list in place of one of those.

Pontus is great too, you have everything in there. Chariots, missile cav, heavy cav, light infantry, pikes etc... I also enjoyed Armenia because of their unique units, they're not the best but a welcome change from the same units you find in many other rosters.

2:42 I had not played the Greek City-States for a long time, but as far as I remember, in terms of cavalry they have only Generals and some worthless light cavalry, who are weaker than equities. Am I wrong?

You are right

Is Rome your favorite TW? I love BI but it is really old, I do not think I could play it anymore. :(

I always use Macedonians or Seleucid factions though Pontus have have a pretty decent set up when fully established.

mine 1. Seleucids. they got basically everything OP you could ever want (besides i guess elite level archers). 2. Romans post Marian. some of the most elite infantry, very good cav and decent missiles. 3. Egypt. OP if you know how to use them and their chariots. better than average archers who wont melt instantly in melee 4. Armenia: everything good about Greeks/Macedon but they got legionaries and catas as well. few things could beat a wall of Catas and Heavy Spearmen 5. Macedon. everything great about the Greeks but longer pikes, actual elite cavalry and decent options early on rather than having to tech up fast like some others, such as Light lancers and Phalanx Pikes

Wheres the seleucids? Legionaries, some of the best pikeman, great archers, great cav. Macedon cant be ranked above because of inferior cav, no elephants, pikeman are almost the same, the royal pikeman aren't that much better, selecids should be at 2nd considering they are better all around only second to the Roman's

For autoresolves, its Briton all the way. They can get light chariots in earlygame which lets you steamroll over europe.

Germania was my favourite. Armour ignoring axes, heavy archers, heavy cavalry and phalanx warbands.

Seleucids: defensive phalanxes, flexible legions, heavy cataphracts and morale lowering chariots and elephants. And there are plenty rosters better than pre-marian romans, like the germans, thracians, gauls only because of forester warband and the Spanish only because of bull warriors

Post Marian - Archer Auxilia are pretty tough and have long range.

Why no love for the horse archers? you say it's not your style, respectable- i turned onto them after learning only alexander was able to beat horse archer armies by using a mix of units in his battle with "scythia"-- his general lost the battle without alexander. does it feel cheap? just a penchant for infantry?

Gracias

Greeks have decent cav? Them and thrace have THE worst cav in the game, militia cav and greek cav are jokes... also sacred band is way stronger than what u give credit for

Melkor you said that greeks have good cav!?!? They have horrible cav ahaha. And biggest advantage that macedon has over them is not their pikes but their cav!

Post Marian bad ranged? As far as I can remember the archers out ranged every other ranged unit I fought against. Im a campaign player btw, its important as after a little while ranged units can rack up a lot of experience which can be miss leading. But pretty confident in the fact that they have one if not the longest reach which is more important then damage. Big damage but small range, 1-2 volleys and they are on you, long range open the possiblity to force them on a stand off slaughter as the distance is too long for them try. Works on heavy dif. Too

Number 1,2,3,4: Post Marian Rome. Number 5: brutii beacuse roman roster + gladiators

No Germania? It has one of the best roaster in the game. Also Parthia is really cool too.

Good list, I personally believe Carthage is better than Greece though.

Lol thought this was a LegendOfTotalWar video

The Seleucid Empire has the best unit roster

my friend , in any situation , facing any army in RTW , kill enemy general first = Victory

I wonder why you did not put up Armenia atleast as honourable mention. Phalanx, missle cav, heavy cav, legion troops, archers. You only miss melee light cav, and you have military temple too.

Little does Melkor knows but, the Rebels have the most OP roster in the game

My favorite is Armenia, only because they have both Cataphracts and Cataphract Archers.

guys calm down about the seleucids he’s talking about his personal preference

What about pontus and seleucids? They are clearly better than greece or pre-marian rome

When it comes to carthage their biggest weakness is principes, eh Melkor?

I like being your face Vikings.

Carthaginian sacred band smash macedon royals in 31k

I always thought the greek states had terrible cavalry. Macedon has some great cavalry units but greek states just get greek cavalry and skirmisher cav.

*I can not understand how anybody can call Greek cavalry DECENT... :-O Macedonian cavalry eats Greek for breakfast any time!*

Best RTW army roster? Any that have the good sense to employ Cretan archers, obviously.

I prefer Germania and Seleucids, they are complete too

So we just gonna leave out sycthia as if you cant just take out 3, 1000 men armies with horse archer boys?

Not sure I agree with splitting the Romans into pre- and post-Marian, and I definitely wouldn't put pre-Marian Rome on the list over the Seleucids, Armenians (cataphract archers ftw), Germans (Gothic Cavalry, Berserkers, Chosen axes, and even a phalanx unit), or even Gauls (Forester Warband). As much as I love Macedon, I would probably say 1) Rome, 2) Egypt, 3) Seleucids, 4) Germania, 5) Armenia

It seems Melkor hate Seleucids, but Why?

If only Triarii were in post Mar. Rome

No seleucid? WHAT???????

Horse archer armies wreck all the other armies.

Dawg the Seleucid roster is far superior to macedon and Greece

u SERIOUSLY dont like the roster of the selucid empire?? some of the best phalanxes, legionaries, the BEST cavalry, elephants, chariots, ok archers. they literally have everything!

Im missing seleukids and armenia ....

1. Julii 2. Scipii 3. Brutii 4. Macedon 5. Parthia

Nothing in the field can beat a full stack of Armenian Cataphract Archers!

No love for Spain?

For me the most annoying rosters to play as are barbarians, wich all seem to be the same with minor differences, and some are terribly weak like Spain's roster... Iberian infantry is so trash, weren't they supposed to be brave mercenaries for hannibal IRL instead of pansy cowards?

Well dont think so, Seleucid empire has the best roster it pratically have all ELITE units of the game LOL

Well I'd put Armenia as first. Then Pontus or selucia. All have good cav, good archers, mobile archers, phalanx units. 4th Macedon. The 5th shall be the Germans. Phalanx, elite archers and good cav. Not to mention the arpen units and the berserkers. And then maybe post and premarian rome. After them Spartans. After that Thrace.

Urban cohort CANNOT be trained earlier than praetorian cohort. man wtf r u talking about??

Not having seleucids on this list is a complete joke.

Greece hot decente cavalry? You insane?😂

No love for Armenia? High level spears, a legionnaire copy, cataphracts and cataphract archers.