TOP 6 CHANGES!!: SVS PB-2000 vs PB-2000 PRO SUBWOOFER 

Glad to hear it!! If you haven't already, run through my Bass Hack video series. You can get even more out of them. Hacksaw Ridge, the Accountant, and Ready Player One are epic too!

Because of the PEQ adjustability, the sound profile is flexible. That said, see my video on going deep vs sounding deep. I would choose dual PB-2000 Pro's over dual SB-3000 subs, and definitely over ANY single sub. I believe you would get the impression of deeper sound with dual PB-2000 Pro's, and even with that, you can bump the 29 hertz PEQ for an even deeper, more explosive sound. The impact for movies will be better, but I will say that if you want more explosiveness, dual PB-3000's will be better. But honestly, I do demos for people who aren't into home theater, and the response is always a pleasant shock with dual PB-2000 Pro's. They are epic. They never disappoint me.

Generally I've found that the quality of the bass leans toward the weaker sub. If you're getting dual pros, I wouldn't add R-120sw myself. I've had more experience than I'd like with mixed subwoofers. By all means, experiment, try it out. I would run the pros for a while, and get used to them, then try adding in the other sub. Maybe you might like it, and that's what's most important.

I want to feel it!

For the best possible experience, the dual PB-2000 Pro's, or dual PB-3000's would be the way to go. When mixing subwoofers, my experience has been that the overall bass experience skews towards the weaker subwoofer. Dual PB-16 Ultras are absolutely incredible, but the PB-3000's are in the same ballpark, and easier to manage. Lighter, smaller, etc... But cost no concern, my preference would be for the PB-16 Ultras. Best I've heard yet.

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It's the signel being sent to the subs at -50 my subs ant gonna come on either there has to be bass playing in what ever your cross over setting is for them to kick on and if your signel strength ant enough there not gonna come on cause there's no reason to im sure you can't barely hear them speaking at -50 when your reference is 0 witch is beyond loud enough I'd set your volume dail to come on at - 25 maybe - 30 and it will probably fix your issue or it has something todo with were you got your cross overs set at one or other

Exactly! The only thing I'm considering Klipsch SPL-150, because I don't like the grill on 2000 Pro, and 3000 is too expensive. Now thinking if PB-2000 non-pro will be better, than Klipsch SPL-150

The weaker sub seems to prevail in the overall impact with mixed subwoofers. Why? I can't say for sure. I mixed the PB-16 Ultra with a sub that was close in most areas, driver, box size, etc, but lower wattage. I was somewhat unimpressed with the mixed combo until I had the second, matching PB-16 Ultra, and the difference was night and day. I went from wondering what the big deal was, to the PB-16 Ultras being the best bass I've heard so far. So I try to avoid mixing subwoofers, it takes away from the better sub. If it were me, I would get dual PB-2000 Pro's, and take the original PB-2000 out of the equation. I don't know if you can trade up with the original PB-2000, but it's worth asking to save you some cash. If you can't, and want to support the channel, you can follow my affiliate link right before purchase, it could help keep the lights on. I don't earn anything from trade ups, but if you can trade up the original PB-2000, it's really the best way for you to go. I only ask viewers to follow my affiliate links if it truly makes sense for them. If getting the second PB-2000 Pro is out of reach for the moment, mixing it with the original will be better than a single, no question. Just keep in mind that it will be more like dual PB-2000 originals, and not as much benefit from the Pro version's added kick. That will be more evident when you have 2 Pro's. Hope that helps!

Thank you for your answer, buying a second classic or selling my classic to replace it with a professional is the same financial transaction. I think I will sell my classic and start with one pro.

I took two and I have absolutely no regrets ;)

I was going to buy the PB 3000. Did a comparison on Crutchfield website and the only differences are 1 inch larger woofer, 250 watts more (550w max PB 2000 and 800w max PB 3000) and 16/290 to 16/200 frequency response. My Onkyo woofer is 150 watts max so the PB 2000 is a big upgrade for me. Not sure if its sub a big upgrade from 2000 to 3000. Good luck whatever you do.

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I doubt you would even have the pro maxed out like that but being you can do all these adjustments that seem to just complicate things even more you should be fine set the original up first to the max you listen to it at than you should be able to get the pro to hit just as hard with just your ears if you have a spl meter than you could get it mire excate download one on your phone or place one in frount and one in the rear and don't tey to match them just let them both bang as loud as they can like your running 2 single ones but your really not but you won't blow either of them if you set them up to your listening level the don't both need to be upfront were you see most people put them that's just as much for looks than sound your moving the sane amount of air no matter were you place them but they do sound better placed in certain spots witch depending on your room could be anywhere hope something I said helps you out you fir sure get more bass and sound like if you put one behind your recliner so it shakes you is Allways fun todo try it out see if you like it I think you'll love the extra bass no matter how you set it up it will sound better and fuller

4ft length can't be correct?

Have you switched from the PB-2000? If yes, what is the experience? Thanks in advance!

Get dual pb 16 ultras than you'll be done with it and any sb box ant gonna sound like a pb ported box and there will be a huge difference between the pb2000 and the pb 16 ultras for sure I got 4 old school pb2000 in a 12 by 12 room and when I watch the right movies they sound amazing witch that's were I get confused on why say Netflix movies some of them sound so much better than say HBO movies or paramount , my vudu account movies sound great most of them and I don't really get why I think it has something todo with formats like if I could get all my shows to sound like ready player on movie that I have on my vudu account I'd be so happy cause that movie sounds so good has more than enough bass all 7 of my floor speakers sound amazing that I wouldn't want or need any more bass or detail but for some reason I can't figure out or understand why that works the way it does I go and turn stuff up and when I get on a movie that sounds like ready player one I have to turn it all back down is there a solution for this issue im sure im not the only one who has this issue or realizes it and buying bigger subs ant gonna fix the issue it's something with the apps or something that im doing wrong or is it just the MOVIES and different apps do different things or use different formats if that's even the right word please help if anyone nows what im trying to say

Mixing has never worked out for me. Ideally, you want identical subs. You can try it for yourself, but like a bike, running two different tires will result in being slowed down by the lower quality tire. But definitely try it out, but I wouldn't put money into the repair to find out.

@@Subwoofer101 My other option is to repair and sell them they have been great but I expect the SVS 3000S to be on another level.

They will be, just be sure to run the gain higher than room correction sets it. See my adjusting subs by ear hack.

@@Subwoofer101 I have watched all your Hacks 👍

The short answer is yes. However you’ll have to integrate them properly with measurement.

It really depends on the subs, the mains, and how loud you listen. Emotiva has some great options. There's really no such thing as too much power, more like too much volume being pushed through certain speakers. So a 500 watt per channel amp can run a 100 watt per channel speaker, but if you crank up the volume too much, it goes up in smoke. If you don't listen at reference levels, and you keep ALL speakers crossed at 80 hertz or higher, you might not see a dramatic difference. I personally keep everything crossed between 90hz and 120hz, and put the strain on the subwoofer amplifiers. Less of a need for external amp, but headroom is always nice. As you go down in frequency, the power needs go up. You don't want to hear true 200 watts of 2,000 hertz. Talk about pain! But at 30hz, that same power sounds amazing. I'm not talking about rating of the amp, I'm talking about actual power being put into the speaker. The higher the crossover, when speakers are set to Small, the less power is put in to the speakers from the AVR, and the more headroom your AVR has. Runs cooler. Assuming your subs are capable and handling it well, you lose nothing doing so. Generally, it's beneficial when you have the types of subwoofers I recommend.

@@Subwoofer101 don't go with power amps on the 8012 it clips due to 1.5 v pre out you need 2v for it to be stable , you would be be upgrading to the 8015, it has had some serious upgrades and pre amp is now 2v for a start , it also runs at over 100 Watts 7 ch driven .

Subwoofer 101 I have dual pb3000 but have my crossovers at 80hz maybe I should set them higher to let my subs do the work

I do 90 hertz for anything big, and 120 for smaller surround speakers. You might need to adjust the subwoofer gain up or down, or it might be fine. See my adjusting subs by ear hack video to make sure you're getting as much bass as possible. There's a razor's edge, where any more would be too much. When the bass is higher, you don't need to run as much volume, it's a cool thing. You just don't want it to sound overdone either.

Subwoofer 101 thanks for the reply👍

What did you end up doing? I'm in the same boat!

Are you going with duals or a single?

@@Subwoofer101 Duels, the Klipsch are great ,boomy at times and are duels , one amp blew I will be replacing the amp but ,to unreliable and you can't customise the port .I can get a great price on both, I will also be adding SVS elevations by 4 . I just wonder will i miss the bang from the 15 inch drivers , but then their is the wife sinario, the svs more tunable via the app, its driving my mad 😠

Right on, that's the right direction. Here's a comparison of these two, plus the PB-4000. Should help you narrow it down, and I tell you which I would pick in the end and why. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7u-HaG2l52w.html

@@Subwoofer101 Thank you

THANK YOU!! Just ordered it!

@@Subwoofer101 Hi I was wondering how you liked the roger waters us and them tour I told you about I watched it today again the atmos was amazing I really enjoyed the concert. Also I preordered the eagles live at the forum bluray that comes out Friday I cant wait for that. Hope you enjoyed the us and them tour disk to me it was absolute demo worthy

I got it too. Currently have 5.1.2 (ceiling speakers). The start of the disc approx 1:20 in sounds amazing with the thunder and gun fire overhead. Welcome to the machine and Déjà Vu probably my favourites at the moment. Enjoy your disk.

Yes it does, which is the only sub that can use either cloth or metal.

Congratulations

Tough question to answer, honestly. I have dual SB3000’s, I upgraded from sb2000 pro’s. Depending on the size of your room, the 2000’s may be enough. A buddy of mine has one PB2000 and I can hear things that I don’t hear with my subs because they are sealed, mainly in home theater. His sounds a little better in some music but mine sound better for most music. Definitely louder than his being that I have duals and a higher end model. If it were me, I would probably go with the PB 2000 pro’s but it would be a tough call.

@@brandonmartin1966 if you were using your setup for mainly movies would you have gone with the PB over the SB? SB is just such a nice size!

Personally, I'd go with the dual PB-2000 Pro's for the guaranteed performance and versatility. They will deliver excellent performance for movies and music, and you can try them as sealed. I'm betting you will take the foam plugs out and keep them as ported. But if you do prefer them as sealed, then you have sealed subs. Win win. You can't add ports to an SB-3000 or SB-2000, but you can run the PB-2000 Pro as sealed. The ported will have more headroom, plenty of output.

Sorry I just saw this. Yeah go with the PB if you can.

Same. 3000's are expensive as hell in my country. And I don't like the look of 2000 pro. Thinking about 2000's non-pro with metal grill.

That really depends on how you are going to do it. You can't do the 1 year upgrade because you have to go "up" in value. If you can spend the same money on a second PB-4000, that would be ideal. If you plan to sell the PB-4000, then dual Pro's would make sense. So what are the details of your plan?

Subwoofer 101 Actually the driver in the 4000 blew. It’s such a massive thing in my room so I asked customer support if instead of shipping me a replacement driver, if I could trade for something equal or less value (2 PB 2000 Pros).

That would be a REALLY good move I think, if they are cool with it. Maybe even see if you can get the 1 year trade up with it! Probably not, but it's worth asking, worst they can do is say no.

I don't think you would in my experience I think you would be gaining improving, I had dual pb2000 pros and those subs are premium a well done job from svs i just upgraded to 2 pb3000s only because I wanted a little more bass to me the pros sounds almost like the 3000s in some movies scenes i couldn't tell the difference thats how good the pros are you'll be happy

Waymon French Wow, that’s good. It puts me at ease because the 4000 absolutely shakes the house. I’m sure 2 2000 pros will satisfy me.

No! You would break your room. Up grade house to hurricane building standards, then Yes- get the other sub.

Yes: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4QOtMr9kqjY.html

@@yarsivad000.5 Ok then. Because it is a sealed sub do you think it would best not to place it in the left or right side of the room but straight in the middle?

@@Subwoofer101 Thanks a bunch!

@@makkkk4444 if you haven’t done so already, download an FFT plot on your phone. Put the sub in your listening position, crawl on the floor and look for the best spot. then put your sub there. Do the same with the second sub but look for a spot that compliments that bad levels from the first sub. Then… you have your perfect placing.

I would never plug the port. Any adjustments can be made in the PEQs in the app. I don't even see the need for extended mode with the app.

Duals. Go dual. You will only hear 60-80% of the bass with a single, and it won't sound as explosive. Did I mention that you should go dual? You should really go dual. And lastly, at the risk of sounding repetitive, you should go with dual subwoofers. 😆

You will have that premium bass those pros are no joke

Waymon French for real? Are they loud to where you will be able to hear it from 2 rooms away

@@DEADMONEY_ yes. I've got a pb-2000 and she bangs. I shut door to help dampen everything down.

Those 2000pros are great subs dude especially duals

Yes, the 3000 has the most dramatic change in the SVS line, aside from the PB-16 Ultra driver. The 3000 has a split wind voice coil, which really makes them explosive. Almost impossible to tell the difference between the 800 watt PB-3000 and 1,200 watt PB-4000. It's THAT good. To be clear, the PB-3000 has had the same driver since it's introduction, but it replaced the PB-12 Plus. The difference between the PB-12 Plus driver and the PB-3000 is dramatic. Only the PB-16 Ultra has a dramatic improvement in explosiveness. Too close to clearly notice between the PB-3000 and PB-4000.

Oh, to be clear, the PB-3000 does NOT have the new PB-2000 Pro driver. It has a BETTER driver.

@@Subwoofer101 awesome info, do you cover this in one of your videos? See, as a recent SVS shopper I was torn between the PB 2000, 2000 Pro, and 3000. I bet there's a lot of folks in this range. I went for the 3000 but wonder if I should have gone dual 2000 Pros. Don't get me wrong, dual subs are in my future, question is how long.

PB-3000 Pro's are the best option. Start eating ramen and save up! 😆 I'm kidding, I'm low carb. 😁 But if you already have a PB-3000, grab another as soon as you can. Look in the outlet too. Once you get the second one, and all dialed in using my Bass Hack Video Series, you will finally hear what that sub is all about. It's epic.

You can see my PB-3000 review. And yes, dual PB-2000 Pro's would have been the better decision in the short term, but once you get the second PB-3000, you will be very happy!

I'm sure they are right in line with the PB-2000 Pro's. Same components, just a different shape. Just be aware that if your floor is noisy, a down firing subwoofer can make it worse. My floor is wood on a raised foundation, and it's an old house. So when I stomp on it, it's like the whole house makes noise. That wouldn't be a problem on a concrete subfloor.

Many thanks first of all for your brilliant videos! Keep going please 😀 if going dual, would it be a bad idea having a pb 2000 Pro and a PC 2000 Pro? (Space issues. I have already one PB 2000 pro)

Even at the sale price, the HSU is $2,097 with shipping. $1,699 for dual PB-2000 Pro's not on sale, that's the regular SVS price. Nearly a $400 price difference. $2,237 for the VTF-15's if you want to extend the warranty to match the 5 year SVS amp warranty. Again, that's current sale pricing for HSU vs standard pricing for SVS. Otherwise it's only 2 years on the amp for HSU, which is usually the part that fails most often on any subwoofer, regardless of brand. If you decide you don't like your dual VTF-15's, you pay return shipping, at $346 each way. So that's $692 in shipping costs, and you have no subwoofers if you decide to return them. Additionally, there is mention of a 15% restock fee if certain conditions aren't met with HSU. If you don't like your dual PB-2000 Pro's, and you return them within 45 days without damage, you get a FULL refund. They pay shipping both ways. As I touched on briefly in the video, Max SPL is virtually pointless to me. I'd get nowhere near the max output with either sub. Not even close. To me, it comes down to the effective response curve, in room, and the closely related perceived explosiveness. It's an objective fact that utilizing the SVS App, I can match the relative in room response curve of the VTF-15. You would need a MiniDSP 2x4 to match the VTF-15 relative response to the PB-2000 Pro's native response curve. I can make the already explosive PB-2000 Pro even more explosive by utilizing the Eq values seen in this video. The VTF-15 has no such option. Controlling the gain from your phone is VERY convenient. The VTF-15 is the top of the line for the HSU ported series. There are three more premium models with SVS, and you can trade up every year to get to the PB-16 Ultras if you wanted to, spreading out your costs. Even if they had a higher end model, HSU doesn't offer trade up. HSU does have 3 port configurations, while the PB-2000 Pro's only have 2. They have a 7 year warranty on the driver, vs only 5 years for SVS. You can get a Rosenut finish on the VTF-15. Only one finish option with the PB-2000 Pro. HSU goes on sale, and SVS never does because of their automatic price guarantee. If SVS does drop the price, and you are within the window for the price guarantee, they just send you a refund for the difference without asking. HSU makes great subwoofers, they wouldn't be on my list otherwise. They just happen to have the least attractive shipping and return policy of any subwoofer I recommend. Those are all objective facts. I'll let you decide which one is the better buy. Both have advantages and disadvantages. HSU offers local pickup, SVS does not, as far as I know. That's an opportunity to avoid shipping if you are near Anaheim, California. Both companies are similar in their bass goals, with slightly different goals, looking at their response curves. Without question, neither subwoofer will sound anemic. Both are lightyears ahead of most typical subwoofers. It's basically Ford vs Chevy, or Toyota vs Nissan. Everyone has their favorites, and their reasoning for why one is better than another. Some people even see the SVS shipping and return policy as a negative, if you can believe that. OK. I will say that SVS probably needs to be turned up a little more after room correction, and that can make people feel like the HSU outperforms the SVS, but if you make sure they are putting out the same relative output between 60-80 hertz, the sense of being "outperformed" will change. See my top 6 problems with deep bass subwoofers video, it's explained with graphs on number 1. So go with the one that resonates with you the most. Both are excellent subs.

@@Subwoofer101 You're making the decision tougher with an excellent, detailed, logical, objective response. Thanks for that. I'm seeing the SVS PB-2000 Plus for $900 USD on Amazon. So $1800 for a pair. The HSU is currently $1700 for a pair plus a little over $300 delivered to a US address. I consider that pretty close pricing. It's been suggested to me that the HSU would be better compared to a SVS PB-4000 or even higher model, due to more similar sized drivers. It's really difficult deciding not being able to hear these in person beforehand. I do agree with you that the largest hindrance to HSU is it's shipping policies and pricing. Absolutely. Especially as an international buyer.

Driver size isn't as important as you might imagine. If it was, SVS would be using 18" drivers exclusively. For the PB-16 Ultra, which is only slightly larger than the VTF-15 driver, SVS felt they needed a MASSIVE 8" voice coil to prevent driver flex, which creates distortion. No comparison to the VTF-15 by the way. 1,500 watts vs 600 watts RMS is not a small difference. Major difference in explosiveness. Both will go louder than you could stand. The PB-16 Ultra will give a better spleen massage at the same volume. By the way, it's best to order factory direct with SVS. I'm an affiliate for Amazon and SVS, but not only do you get a discount for duals directly with SVS, but you also get the 1 year trade up, which you don't get from Amazon or other dealers, as far as I know. That's important to know!

I just read that you are an international buyer, which country?

@@Subwoofer101 Canada

You aren't the only one. It would have been a great value point for a cylinder sub. They don't sell as well, so they had a hard time justifying it, from my understanding. Fans of the "water heater" subs must have put enough pressure on them to include the PC-2000 Pro. I do think the PC-2000 Pro is a very explosive sub for the price. Not quite what a PC-3000 would have been, but not that far away either.

Subwoofer 101 I would have enjoyed a PC 3000 over the PC 4000. I need a Cylindrical sub because I am limited on floor space in my media room. I like the ported sound.

They are great for floor space!

@@Subwoofer101 what did you mean by " I do think the PC-2000 Pro is a very explosive sub for the price" I am trying to decide betwen PB vs PC 2000 pro

The PB-3000's are epic, but the PB-2000 Pro's are capable of shocking most people. The old version I wouldn't have considered as "Premium" subwoofers like the PB-3000, 4000 and 16. But the pro? It's premium. Especially with my PEQ Hack, boosting at 29 hertz, 2-4 boost, 2.5 Q. Works for the 3000 too...😁 I agree, the PB-3000 is shockingly good. I just couldn't disparage the PB-2000 Pro's. I chose them for the motorhome theater project because they are both shocking and attainable by a greater population. Perfect for that kind of thing.

Size of the room is a moot point to me, unless it's a massive room. Only then would it affect my decision. If you need to fill a massive room, then you should go with a more powerful sub, as you're more likely going to have the overall volume higher in general. Otherwise, if you go with a bigger, more powerful subwoofer in a smaller room, you will get the same benefits as if you would put them in a larger room. I'm speaking primarily of the explosiveness. No matter which subs you go with, you're going to have small room issues. Those will have to be dealt with anyway. But why go with dual PB-2000 Pro's, over dual PB-1000 Pro's in a small room? Because just like in a big room, you're going to get more realism and explosiveness out of dual PB-2000 Pro's. You'll have the same room issues regardless, and those can be dealt with. This isn't a guess. I've done this very thing in my RV. PB-4000s, PB-3000s, PB-2000 pros, PB-2000 originals. Not a single one of those subwoofers overpowered my RV in a dual configuration. The explosiveness just got more and more impressive. Pretty hilarious overall. The 4000's and 3000's were just insane. Even the PB-2000's are shocking enough for what I'm trying to do. Surprisingly, the balance of gain was relatively the same as in the house. So if I ran -16 gain on the subs in the house, I might run -17 in the RV with the same subs. Just 1 dB lower. Also surprisingly, I prefer the RV over the house system. The house has an old noisey floor, and too many hard surfaces. In the RV, I'm able to hear more detail. Less sound coloration from the room, compared to the house. And I hope I covered this all, but my last thing is that I would definitely go with dual PB-2000 Pro's, over 4 PB-1000 Pro's. More than two matched subs would make everything sound a little smoother, but it won't improve the overall explosiveness the way going up in power would, all else being equal. I tried this, and while I found that the sound was a little bit smoother, it definitely wasn't more explosive. Same explosiveness, but a touch smoother. For me, I'm more apt to go with 2 better dual subs, over 4 less powerful subs. That's kind of funny because music is more important to me than movies. So you'd think that I'd prefer the slightly smoother sound, but I just feel like I'm getting more for the dollar spent by getting the more powerful subs. You're less likely to notice explosiveness when it comes to music. So it doesn't make sense, but that's how I'd do it regardless. I guess I just appreciate the improved giggle factor, when I do watch a movie. Hopefully that helps!

@@Subwoofer101 I get you're point I just think some people may choose one sub over the next because they think they need two right out of the box. What you call explosiveness I call pressure (SPL) but I think we're talking about the same thing. Disclaimer, up until recently I ran two subs. See my side of the scenario for just a minute. For reference, I'm in a 12x14 rectangular room with one SB-2000 Pro. With two subs (different brand but matching) I had trouble gaining them up to full potential/excursion without overdriving the rest of the system. With one running towards the top of It's capability (kind of) I find the increase in excursion helps pressurize the room. I tried Amp gain, voltage gain, channel gain etc. (I know you will say channel and voltage are the same and I get that). I always check to see if one approach changes the other to see if it's coming from the same side of the board as in a shortcut. I haven't followed your channel so if you have discussed things that I missed my bad. I'm sure you have just watched a sub's excursion and enjoyed watching that as much as the source providing it. I revert back to the 10x12 room, I personally feel there are probably other things that money could be better spent on without knowing his gear etc. That statement is somewhat misguided because your channel is about subs and I tend to look at the big picture without reading the fine print. I'll leave you with a question, All things considered I can get all the explosiveness/SPL I need now with one sub, why do I need another?