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Yeah, dude deserved that death, how dumb can you be?

Such an L comment.

@@gamerdude999 how so? You think that guy played the situation well and shouldn’t have died?

because they always play this bad. That's how they made it so far ??? like obviously its because they don't always make mistakes like this lmao

@@treefrog9392 Either way, this player made the worst decision possible to not re-petri when it was safe and instead of spamming their key bind or clicking it repeatedly when it was about to wear off, they decided to only try and click it once it had worn off for a good half second. BAD player in that situation no matter how you slice it.

u actually dont need either of those, all u need to do is mount up, pull the boss while bringing him near the crystal, anyone literally anyone can click the crystal

Boomers don’t even know what wow is lol

@@Rudohardt if you're not popping a stoneshield, then you're misplaying - especially in HC.

@@-Believeinyourself- Boomers made wow popular.

@@Surms41 I deleted my comment because I was an absolute dick for no reason, I’m sorry.

It's not about using your brain, it's about using your brain correctly under very stressful situations. Panic is a really hard thing to avoid when you've got 250+ hours on a character and you're staring death in the face.

Semantics

Everyone has to learn to handle stress, if you get into those kidn of situations multiple times you will get alot better at how you handle yourself. Its normal, some just have alot more experience with these kind of situations.

He is an awful player that was carried to 60 by buying gold to completely BOE out his character with epics. He had 2 flurry axes at one point. Very deserved death

​​@@MrBeegs88nah just a pve andy nabster that didn't even have the potion on a keybind. If he played pvp he would have been used to this situations and would 110% binded the potion.

Content baby.

Xaryu legit in a nutshell

I started screaming at the screen.

Bro you know what you signed up for...

Dude just play on a private server where deaths are appealable... why is it this such a hard concept for people?

interesting, condescending and insulting at the same time, gratz. And I understand, you'd rather tell me how to play instead of you actually doing what you just said ~ so ok, off you go to your private server paradise then, /failtroll @@MrBeegs88

@@MrBeegs88cause no one wants to play on a shitty fake version , how is that hard to understand

@@patrickhouse9005 the entire wow classic idea was taken from private servers... blizzard did the exact same thing private servers did lmao. if it was soo "shitty", blizzard would never try to compete with private servers by making wow classic and then going even further making their own vanilla+ (also taken directly from private servers). what do you think people who wanted to play vanilla and hardcore and all that were doing BEFORE blizzard made classic? private servers lmao

It will never be perfect. Folks know what they sign up for.

Game instability? Dafaq. They just fucked up the MECHANIC of the fight lol. He hits for 5-6k

The guy isn't talking about the aq20 raid clip, he's talking about the clips where people dc due to bad server@@johnstetak1731

the issue is, most of the time when people showcase a lag death from a DC or something, its not actually a server instability issue. People are starting to think its actually the addons hardcore servers use, because these issues are not happening widespread across blizzard servers, which if it was a server instability issue, it would be impacting more than they are.

What's even worse is people who would sacrifice days/weeks of their time to RNG. It's hard enough for casual gamers to level to 60 let alone on Hardcore. It's only for the greasiest of the players

Crazy that they don't know that in 2023.

@@YannLHC its crazy they went in there in hardcore without knowing it.

This is just wow players in a nutshell. Thats why i hated raiding. Theres always some stupid bumfuck who fucks up when all he has to do is literally just click 1 button. Even such a simple task is too much for the brainpower on 90% of wowplayers. And as a result you have to sit there for 6+ hours on a weekday wiping over and over. So much fun

Yeah, instancing -- while technically feasible, that would require some actual development and implementation work from Blizz for it to work smoothly, work that I don't think the company is willing to put in -- they're just milking their gold cow dry at this point

lost my 11 mage to anaya in the druid zone. dcd and just accepted it came back dead

@@morganfreeman5260 It's still a few hours of your life gone, even at 11. People don't have the right perspective on this. Those same people would tap their feet and rage waiting in line for 15 minutes without even a shred of self-awareness.

@@fuzzwobble It's all meaningless at the end of the day bud. Wasted time spent having fun is seen differently as wasted time in idle.

They are literally turning with the keyboard 😂

bro u cant judge a person of a 10 sec clip from a lifetime of gaming . im am 100% sure that you have made mistakes that have gotten you killed in games aswell. Everyone is bound for a brain fart at some point, maybe super tired or some other reason and misstakes happens

@@linusboden7050 not like this dude, thats some autism shit right there. These people are TERRIBLE at the game, its not about making a mistake once or twice, these people are simply bad players. Not ALL of them ofcourse, but lets take Berg for example: You can´t convince me that guy has more than 5 braincells left, he missplayed SO BADLY and took others with him into the abyss. You dont do that if you´re smart but he is dumb and didnt care ... Im sorry for the Paladin who insta loh him and died because of it. That one was a good player, Berg is terrible, you get the difference? xD

Yeah I'm actually shocked about the lack of tactic knowledge in these hardcore raids

Yea thats in softscore. In HC you shield wall on pull.

It's stupid to wall on pull though... Do like this guy said, click at the end of the stairs. and you have wall in case of bad spawns on any of the next crystals. The range of the crystals is way longer than ppl think.

I'm not saying they are smart on HC to do it this way i've just noticed that almost every encounter i have seen with this boss thats how they do it. I would save SW as well.@@denniss7575

@@denniss7575 its just not worth risking it. The later crystal spawns are easy, one druid with cheetah or one hunter as designated clickers with move speed and you have a big margin for messing up later crystals, but initial pull there's no margin. Done this boss a bunch of times and every so often the tanks will messup the pull, the odds are too high of messing up pull to risk it if you plan on farming this raid eventually you'll mess it up.

@@JD-ub5ic Well if you have the tank do the pull, thats your first mistake. Someone else should do it and keep on running past the raid. Then when the crystals hits, tank taunt. Then it do not mater if you are a bit late with the crystal. This is how i always done it as tank and keep on doing it.

It's not going to happen. Blizzard has proved time and time again that all they give a shit about is money, though if they had any fucking sense they would hire people to review video footage for death appeals. Until then, play HC on a private server. Thats what I do

I dont think a single game exists with 100% uptime on its servers.

True

idk they gave that rationale for not implementing one in diablo 4 hardcore while PoE hardcore has one that is perfectly reasonable and hasnt been exploited? Seems more like too lazy and uninventive to design an efficient protection. Or, different phrasing: no more vision and understaffing

It's better to have some abuse it than many lost legit players.

Have you tried playing games made by developers who actually respect your time?

@@mattandrews2594 yes, and I thoroughly enjoy them when I do. I was hoping to hit 60 as my, "last hurrah," after 18 years of wow so I can have closure and retire. I get to choose how to spend my own time thankfully.

@@valkrenfrost So you'd choose to play WoW hard-core and potentially never get to 60 because of outside reasons?

@@mattandrews2594 gotta take risks in life to get what you want, let people enjoy things

@@valkrenfrost You literally said you just want to quit, so clearly you aren't having fun. I'm merely the one advising you to cut out a bad developer and play good games instead.

hardcore isn't for you

leveling is the whole hc experience for 99% of the players .. raiding in hc is just nuts

Tbf these HC players are getting multiple 60s in the time it takes me to level a regular softcore 60 in era and they have limited dungeon lockouts.

Replaying starting zones? Leveling? It’s no death? You’re taking your 1000+ hr account into 1 misclick content. Get good . ( I don’t play wow )

To be fair I'm guilty of this too, but I also have a main character that makes all the money so I dont need to gather stuff on my alt

Like what? As soon as you go low health just tap the button on your computer to disconnect the internet and viola you DC and get to live? It's so hard to find out if a DC is legitimate or not

yeah - dude has it all wrong

he wasn't explaining it wrong

​​@@kpacny1you don't need to pop defensive cooldowns of any kind. You just click as the boss comes. If you want a couple of seconds of margin you just stand behind the crystal so the boss needs to walk farther

Ye Im actually suprised how much streamers say wrong stuff about the game, like for someone that kinda does this fulltime its a bit suprising. And isny shield wall 75% dmg reduction? Or was it 65 in vanilla and then became 75 in tbc? I also think its so wierd why everyone says kick to all cast interupts. Like warriors and shamans saying they kicked it when they either used pummel og shield bash or earth shock. Its just so wierd😅

​@@aslak3475ye it's so weird to keep comms easy

yea I agree but how would you implement it without making it a easily abusable "get out of trouble" card? The issue is not always on blizzards end

Git gud

You dorks just needa play on regular servers

How to you prevent it being a abused, and people just unplugging router when in trouble. That’s the main issue

This is way too easy to abuse. That's why hardcore is hard to design. If you have DC protection any decent player will abuse it. Petri+alt+f4 is just another lame way. People really wanna play hc but still using "clever use of game mechanics" as soon as they have chance. That will 100% happen with dc protection. Remove petris and keep the 30 sec dc timer they have right now.

It's not hard to prevent abuse. Make it use up a resource that cost a scaling amount based on your level. If you disconnect it ports you out and consumes the item.

@@parkerfrode5101 Make the teleport only work if the character's hearthstone is available to be used, and in case of shamans, their ancestral recall too, or have it on its own cooldown, like 1h, 6h or 12h. This way there is a cooldown associated with the feature, so you can't do it all the time. Doesn't completely address the flaw, but better than nothing. If your connection is choppy for real, you're spooked into not playing until the cd is available again.

@@parkerfrode5101 they can already do that with altF4+petri.. so why punish people who get disconnected?

Right but who cares if it's exploited honestly? HC is mainly a solo game. I don't care if others cheat their solo game, I want my solo game to be playable.

It's simple. You only appeal discons caused by blizz servers crashing. never client side ISP

Lotta reasons, sometimes they panic, sometimes they don't have time to wait for their timer and have to use the flask or they're dead. Anyone thinking rationally will wait for the timer but it's pretty hard to think rationally when the character you've spent over 200 hours on is about to die and every second counts. If you've ever had a level 60 character in a dire situation like that and you didn't panic, then you're a rare breed and we could use you as a healer on the server I play on (non Blizzard) :P

Majority of people who buy petris dont even know how they really work.

I lost my 54 warrior 3 months ago to a D/C to a lvl 49 mob at 10:50pm on a Tuesday night. I have since started school and got a 2nd job lol

Until whole realm crashes like Stitches EU

No game with a hardcore mode in history ever did "appeals". That's some casual crap WoW babies invented on their unofficial "hardcore" servers

@@PLB-gp2hd other games, also got server issues resulting in thousands of death's?

@@marcelbruin9151 So what, it's just the nature of a hardcore online game. People who think that fighting scripted bots is "hardcore" to begin with deserve to die.

Blizzard's official HC servers will not last, that's a certainty. Most people will migrate to private servers where they can have their DC deaths appealed. Blizzard is thinking one of two things: Make as much money off as many suckers as they can until they're gone from lack of ambition on Blizzard's part. Or, they're not thinking anything, as they could easily invest a few thousand a month into death appeal support and keep their monthly revenue for years.

@@MrBeegs88 Selling death appeal tokens will be the most logical move

*on DC if in combat Otherwise people like me couldn't do this as we'd burn through our petris daily.

And whats stopping people from purposefully disconnecting when they're in danger?

@@MrBeegs88 that's the thing. if you can press a key-bind to disconnect on purpose in danger, why not just hit the key-bind for the petri potion. that was the idea. did I miss any logic here?

dumb idea my guy. how many people are pulling their ethernet cords when they are close to dying lmao.

It needs protection but rather it dies anyway rofl. I think most people who watch these only want to see people die. It's why they got mad about petri. I get 30 dms a day because no one wants to tank in hc lmao and for good reason no protection

@@paleskin5087 the damage reduction isn't supposed to save u, just give u enough time to log back in to save urself.

Honestly, I wouldn't even mind a DC protection that is abusable. I mean, who does that really impact? Unless someone intends to raid in HC (and barely anyone does), others getting an advantage doesn't affect them in any way whatsoever. What it will do, though, is make the majority of players not quit the game on their 3rd DC death caused by Blizz. And it will make people like me not feel like I'm simply waiting to die to a DC.

People are going to disagree with this but i actually think its a good idea. I think a % bonus xp to the next character should be unlocked at each 10 levels. Level 10 is 10% bonus xp, 20% at 20, and so on. A problem with hardcore wow is that unless you are intimately familiar with the movesets of every mob, layouts, trap quests/items, troll/grief tactics, you will die to variances that fit outside the norm. Dying is okay and part of learning; but if you're dying to things you couldn't be reasonably able to predict every new chapter of your journey, you don't really get a chance to learn. It's blameless deaths and you shouldn't have known any better. "Oh i didn't know these mobs netted" "Oh i didn't know this quest auto kills you" "Oh I didn't know this bridge has a basically invisible hole in it" "Oh I didn't know these mage tower mobs could kill me through the floor" "Oh I didn't know this mob summons infinite copies of himself" People will say hardcore shouldn't be the place to learn, and maybe i agree with them in principle; but the reality is that hardcore forces you to examine wow in a different way than you ever had to before. You can't really learn how to play hardcore in normal wow. A lot of the vital knowledge doesn't translate because you don't need to know every small detail on a normal character. And researching or just blindly falling a guide from an experience before you, following the well worn path, diminishes your own journey and chance to learn. At that point you're just a google maps'ing to 60. TLDR learning should be encouraged, not punished. Dying is part of learning, and time spent replaying the early sections over and over leads to less opportunities to learn.