When you have low quality like your first video, you can get a much better result this way: 1. first put it through artimus dehalo (denoise only, not upscale). This will clean up the noise and blockiness of the image without too much extreme smoothing. 2. After you have the output video from the denoising (step 1) put the denoised video through gia model as this model may actually add back in textures such as skin texture etc where it is missing, but if that doesn't work, try artimus mid. In my opinion, the artimus "low" setting is pretty much useless because it just smooths the crap out of everything, which is not the result people want out of an AI upscaler.
Great video, because on their website they have examples of mega blocky video they enhanced, which I wondered if some of the things are false advertisements. Also 400% of 1080 is 8k, because 1080p is 2k and upscale by 200% is 4k, but seeing your 400% upscale make me consider puchasing topaz and test with some 1080p camera that have high quality 1080p like the Canon C100 or Canon EOSM with Magic Lantern.
Great Video. I agree with you on most. You get best result at 2x upscale max. It really depends on your source. I spend a whole week testing the latest version (version 3.0.4) with a lot of home videos and the result are about the same as yours. Quality of home videos are not the same as a Hollywood movies obviously. Basically, old miniDV Tape from early 2000 recorded at 720x480i, 4:3 will look best at 720p. It looks worse and unnatural at 1080 when push to high. HDV Videos at 1280x720p upscale to 1080p looks really good. 1080i and 1080p video -> 4K looks really good. Overall, I'm happy with the result because I use it mostly to upscale videos from my old HD camcorders (Canon HV20 (2007), Canon HFM40 (2010). Those old memories are priceless.
TDMD, I had the same HV20 camera. Care to share a bit about your workflow? I know Topaz can deinterlace, what are you using to remove pulldown and deinterlace?
@@mdindestin Hello Mark. In the past, I use Handbrake or Adobe Media Encoder (Premiere Pro) to deinterlace old videos from the Canon HV20. It does an ok job. It's super fast, especially with Adobe Media Encoder. However, I find the output quality of Topaz Video AI to be better. I use Dione DV 2x FPS to convert Canon HV20 1440x1080i to 1920x1080p (59.94) or 4K (59.94). Make sure to select Square Pixel. For videos that was shot indoor with lot of noise I only go to 1080p. Outdoor or well lighted shot look amazing convert to 4K progressive. The Render time is super long because of the double framerate but I find it much better then 59.94i to 29.97p. Hope that helps
Hello sir my english is little bad, i have a 2 question: 1- how long take 3 gb 1080p video to 4k upscaling 2-I have a macbook air m1, it my mac good for this app or not good ?
Indeed, Topaz Labs should have said from the release of their product that reasonable to excellent quality video can be made sharper & in a larger size using Video Enhance. In any event REVision FX have just released a plugin that upscales & sharpens video, along with adding contrast, etc.
I have been using version 2.6.4 for over a year now and am satisfied with what it can and cannot do. Like you, I am a realist. Extremely low quality video is going to be virtually impossible to clean up to look like a ultra 4k sharp looking video should. I have used some tricks to help improve low quality VHS rips from the 80s and 90s. It is best not to try an upscale them past 720p. Just like in your video here, doing so can make the facial features look totally unreal. I start by reducing a 480p video to 240p. What this does is reduces the pixels size. Upscaling models guess as to what the next set of pixels should look like and add them to the space where they should be. It is best to not use denoise or deblock at this point. I use proteus fine tune and add just marginal corrections to the video and upscale it back to 480p. You will see improvements. Not the greatest but anything that can make a video better (especially old home VHS recordings) is a plus. You can also play with adding a bit of grain and a few other things. It's all trial and error.
The ultimate solution and upgrade would be to be able to take snippets from the time-line sequentially to be able to edit and upscale what you want from the whole time line. As for now you can only do one snippet at a time.
480p high quality is (still) high quality relative to 1080p, but low quality relative to 4k. So as at 13:50 setting Artemis to low quality gives a workable 4k.
There is a saying “you can’t polish a 💩 “ topaz gives a good go though. I’ve pre-ordered v4 after trialling v3.whatever. Its pretty good but obviously doesn’t work miracles.
I disagree with you. The cleaned-up version of very low quality looks far better than the mess you started out with. Sure it might not be realistic but it's more real than the pixelated mess you started out with.
I plan on deinterlacing and upscaling to 720 60p via AVISynth, but want to de-noise and sharpen in Topaz. How does Topaz handle 480i video from a laserdisc or vhs?
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JSCHIhTYVMQ.html I upscaled this from a 360p DVD it was pretty bad, im sure I could do a better job but I think this turned out great.. I used Artemis direct to 1080p I believe on Low settings.
Super helpful, it's my first day on the job and I needed to hear this lol. Sorry I didnt know about your promo code 2 hours ago tho :/ how long is the code good for, and does it work with all topaz products or just video enhance?
Thanks, your the first video I watched for this. Now own Video enhance, giga pix, and denoise. I found this software works great with my Thermal, which outputs at 640.
I first read that gaia is the best but only works good for hd but cant be used all the time cause will sometimes be to sharp or give a plastic type look so the vids I did do I rescaled em but with the art model and they come out more sharp but the thing with the art is it works best set on low but for some vids it gives the eyes a weird looking bugged look or like they have a water effect around em so when some vids have that weird effect on low u have to use medium art but then that causes artifacts so then the only other choice is theia but it's not that sharp as art but it fixes that weird art problem even the some vids that have that weird effect around the eyes the whole vid looks way better then orginal but even theia looks way better still then the orginal even if theia is not sharp as art proteus can be used on any resolution if using a vid where it looks weird using the art model on low or medium use pro instead and adjust settings For dvds proteus is the only one that can be used cause each setting can be selected Cause in this video I can see the artifacts and skin looking to sharp which can only he fixed with mutiple updates of the program if still want a sharp vid when using proteus I usually use these setting I set to auto and put noise to 20 and compression on 20 or I will use noise on 10 and compression on 10 or none gaia high shouldn't be used usually sense it will cause over sharpness or a permanent grain it only can be used on certain types of bitrates like 5000-up but it depends on the video quality inserted if the vid is real good quality already i cant use gaia much cause most stuff downloaded is not that high of a bitrate even 5000 is rare for most videos Artemis high can usually work on bitrates ranges 4000-and up but it is times where it can be used with a vid that is 2000 bitrate but its rare It can be used at 2000 at any time but the quality wont scale as good Alot of miss conception of the quality of source its true to a point the camera used matters alot to which is the most important like I got sabrina it was done in 90s and it doesnt scale as good as Brady bunch even though thats 70s Brady scales way better both become hd but Brady just looks way better and look real good if the video is good looking quality i use art for this reason more then gaia cause gaia like i said can be to sharp
@@Upscaled_HT i wish I could use Artemis and gaia like most who don't notice the problems I said cause those cleanup the most but those flaws like I said stop me I hope its a way they can give us those models to be able to be customized would make my shows look more clean and sharper
I saw your video in which you showed results with a 3060, 2080 super/ti… Have you bought another GPU since then? What GPU would you recommend for 1080p to 4K if talking about ~2h videos?
I haven’t purchased any GPUs. I think prices will go down further. Probably 3070 or above would be best but I’m not sure how well the program would leverage the extra power.
To give some perspective, I have an externally connected RTX 3050 and it does 480p to 1080p at a rate of about .08 to .15 seconds per frame (frames matter just as much as duration) on an i7 Laptop CPU. If you’re used to something like Cupscale, Topaz is much more optimized, though the model selection is more limited.
As of now, when you buy it you get 1 year of updates. Once the year expires, you can continue using the last version of the software you had installed indefinitely.
Not only are there other ways that make it work well with the low bitrate video already mentioned by others here. But why do you rate an upscaler on low bitrate performance? Deblocking is such different task than upscaling low res footage. I can not think of realistic situations, apart from video production, where upscaling extremely low bitrate compressed video would be wanted at all. This upscaling in my view is intended for resolution scaling. Not fixing your total mess of compression artifacts. Which is not at all what you would encounter when trying to upscale dvd’s or film material. Basically sd quality and even below that. If you can’t obtain a source that is clean of extreme compression artifacts why do you expect anything at all in the first place? Garbage in will always result in garbage out. And comp artifacts in audio and video are the absolute worst. Not recoverable at all if they are bad enough. So do this again with some very old sd quality sources. Say vhs or dvd rips from old movies or something. In my experience this works quite well actually. You have to tweak all settings quite a bit but you can get impressive results from some very low quality low res (not ultra low bitrate…) sources. Not to mention what it can do with low res animation. That is very good…
basically what im thinking is just render out whatever video you are working on as an editor with no effects or filters at 24 frames, use your original footage basically as proxies for the new upscaled footage. basically reverse proxy but not really, idk what to call it. but this seems dope to put out fire content at an extremely upscaled rate. this program will be perfect for go pro, and 360 cam footage. shoot. now i want to run my 2s footage through it to see what 10 K footage will do to my 3090.
Perhaps, especially if you render out lossless which is an option in Topaz. I'm wondering if that would work better for multiple processing tasks such as changing the frame rate of an 8mm film transfer, denoising, cropping, upscaling, and adding slow motion. That's a lot to ask in one render.
sir, how to render faster? mine takes hours for a 30 sec video.
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you need a better GPU, this is the only way. keeping the files on ssd also helps but not too much. Main bottleneck is the gpu power. I have an rtx3070 it gives 0,28sec/frame
Commercial 480 p videos (like Spiderman) are fabulous in quality compared to anyone's VHS home videos. I would have liked to see you working with a typical home video (VHS or even S-VHS) to detemine whether TOPAZ can really upscale and improve the quality significantly. If it can, then I'm very interested in purchasing TOPAZ to convert all my previously digitized VHS family videos.
Old VHS format rips are the worse to work with. An extremely poor quality video is a wash. If you cannot make out any facial features in a old worn out VHS video Topaz or any other Upscaler will not help. I have told a lot of people that VHS was the worse video format ever to hit the market. Even old reel to reel magnetic tape was better than VHS. And Beta was slightly better quality but VHS was cheaper and forced Beta out of the market. I am so glad that Digital technology got better and we no longer have to record home movies on VHS. My old VCR is in a box in a closet collecting dust. LOL
Hi I use Topaz Video Enhance to deinterlace an old video, the video was 29.5fps but the software double it to 60fps. My video was 8 bit but I used Tiff uncompressed 16 bit. When the process finished and I checked the folder it was saved in, I found so many black thumbnails instead of one video file and when I double clicked any thumbnail, a pop up ask me which app do l want to use to open it. What did I do wrong, and do I have to render the video after editing with Topaz Video AI
Talking specifically about 4k vs 1080p. I've had better results with high bit rate 4k footage downscaled to 1080p than original 4k footage both when upscaling clips to 8k and when enhancing but maintaining that 4k resolution. I don't know why that is but the difference is very clear. It seems 1080p is the sweet spot for this software, maybe that's what the neural engine was trained on.
The engine produces the best results at 200% scaling, no matter the input resolution. Of course, the more input resolution the better, but for some reason if you try to go even higher than 200% the input resolution, it will look so much worse. What I do is I upscale videos to 200% and then I upscale them manually in Premiere (or whatever video editing software) to a higher resolution if I upload it in sites like RU-vid, so the quality and details will be preserved due to their codecs settings. RU-vid at 1080p is night and day compared to RU-vid 4K, even with the same native 1080p video upscaled to 4K. That's my process with Video Enhance AI.
Oh, I got a VHS 240p to convert to 480p will really be "Great" but 720p I be very pleased? But can Topaz do it? Worth the Money, or is any open source (FREE) ??? Can do it?
Do you have a way I can personally email you? I’m like terrible with this program 🤣. I was just wondering if I could potentially send a video and pay ya to see if you can actually do anything with it. Thanks again for the post/video.
Some letterboxed widescreen dvds are basically 360p and VEAI still does great work bringing that to 1080p if you're careful. However ideally you should import 576p PAL dvds of dvd only releases. For example I imported, ripped, deinterlaced and adjusted the speed from 25fps to 24fps and then upscaled the BBC Lost World and it looks really great.
@Cameron Kiesser no ur not right proteus has the least and can have none when the settings are right and that's not a opinion thats fact like all of this breakdown down below is I first read that gaia is the best but its not it only works good for hd but cant be used all the time cause will sometimes be to sharp or give a plastic type look so the vids I did do I did use gaia but couldn't with all cause of that problem I told you that happens but with the art model they come out sharp not as sharp as gaia but less artifacts or that weird plastic look the thing with the art is it works best set on low but for some vids it gives the eyes a weird looking bugged look or like they have a water effect around them so when some vids have that weird effect on low u have to use medium art but then that causes artifacts so then the only other choice is theia but it's not that sharp as art but it fixes that weird art problem even the some vids that have that weird effect around the eyes the whole vid looks way better then orginal but even theia looks way better still then the orginal even if theia is not sharp as art proteus can be used on any resolution if using a vid where it looks weird using the art model on low or medium use pro instead and adjust settings if still want a sharp vid when using proteus I usually use these setting I set to auto and put noise to 20 and compression on 20 gaia high shouldn't be used usually sense it will cause over sharpness or a permanent grain it only can be used on certain types of bitrates like 5000-up but it depends on the video quality inserted if the vid is real good quality already i cant use gaia much cause most stuff downloaded is not that high of a bitrate even 5000 is rare for most videos Artemis high can usually work on bitrates ranges 4000-and up but it is times where it can be used with a vid that is 2000bitrate but its rare and look real good if the video is good looking quality i use art for this reason more then gaia cause gaia like i said can be to sharp This is from last year which I posted on red and other channels and people have tried everything I said and have said for a fact that is like I said so your trolling the wrong person lying you either have bad vision or are trolling like I said I have done monster the cartoon and home movies another underrated cartoon and it is no artifacts you liar so stop I am a vet to the program and have the most experience with it in a short time cause of the amount of vids I have done Im a upscaler as a hobby im the only one who has it planned to do mutiple shows that never got the hd treatment Most people know not to use gaia hd with low quality cause of the artifacts and the weird movements of the mouth like I said uptop Its no way to not notice that stuff cause its easy to tell you have had vision gaia is the one they used to to so called upgrade linux first vid did you see that months ago people in comments still say how bad it looks cause of the artifacts i would have told them use proteus it's not as sharp but look at it not having artifacts I wouldn't have let them put out that trash ver your the same way as those people who let that linus vid be rendered the way it was you people are so happy about upgrading stuff that you dont take the time to learn the program or just use what I said it applies still and will forever apply
@@Jerrylewis12here bro you wrote like 20 paragraphs and i still have no idea what you’re talking about or what it had to do with what he said. he explained what he did to make a movie he likes look good and you started it off with “no you’re not right” 🤣
@@ItzGoldfish1 bro you wrote like 20 paragraphs and I still have no idea what you're talking about.or what it had to do with what he said.he explained what he did to make a movie he likes look good and you started off with "no you're not right" 🤣
@@Jerrylewis12here Are you mocking me over the internet? lmao, anyways did you take the time to actual rewrite what I said? Because you forgot the spacing between multiple periods. You could have just copy and pasting it
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@@gorankopcic7827 audio only converts if you render with .MOV, you can extract the audio with any video editing program and use programs such as losslesscut to losslessly re-add the audio back without rendering
@@Upscaled_HT it is the best but they really need to work on optimizing the use of cards still takes way to long for a 30 or 25 min show 1hr and 25min or 2hr for me with a 3060 I would like the use of strong cards like this and higher like the 3080 and 90 to be able to render a show of those lengths in 30 mins that would be real impressive showing off the power of the cards I know it will get there just the wait is long It is no other reason other then optimization that those monsters like 80 and 90 don't kill render times cause in other programs like blender render times are way better
so when i found out of topaz mid last year, i did read on reddit before buying that the render times were bad so i had posted when the program gets mutiple updates it should render way faster,i had said also that a monster 3080 should be getting render times as fast as for 480 to 720p 30mins max i expected that to take 2-3 years my old render times were 1hr 30min with the old ver and now with new ver it now takes 40mins
@@Upscaled_HT the new ver i talked of is 3.1.4 as I explained im liking the jump in times Do u got the new version to I got it today I was comparing 2.6
hey, im having trouble exporting the video. How do i save the video i just edited? I can only see “preview” and “start processing” but when i click it doesnt save, i cant even watch a preview, it just shows the frames very slowly. How do i save the video i just edited on my computer? ):
I'm on the fence on getting this because some folks have issues with the audio. I just bought a gaming laptop that has nearly 64gb ram so I think I'm good to go on speed but how was the audio for you? Nice comparisons overall.
@@LeOneToyota Yeah. I just got it and my laptop is GTX 1650. A little old but I can do some 10 mins about 2 hrs. The toughest is some old vhs vids that gives me those alien faces and eyes. Even the bodies look all smooth and shined up. Totally CGI like. I did some 480 to 1080 upscaling and it was nice and no probs.
Since they have added the 'copy' option to the audio, I've never had an issue. The audio remains exactly the same. This might not be the case if you adjusting frame rates, but for tidying up and upscaling video, the copy audio function never fails for me. I had issues before they introduced the copy function...
