Torchwood 3x05 "Children of Earth: Day Five" Reaction 

I was just about to post this. You beat me to it. Good man.

@@Newjourney14 Allonsy Alonso x.x

What the fuck I never knew that!

thanks gr

These days it is the other way around :P

@@Muckylittleme agreed fully there Regardless of anything else the quality of the show (to me at least) just took a nose dive with series 10 and 11 was no better. Then again prefer classic stuff so maybe it's just me.

@@dommoore6180 Yes agreed, the slide started S10 and was compounded in S11 IMO. The idea that it is because we are all closet misogynists and racists is self evidently ridiculous given the show has always been liberal with strong female roles. The writing and stories were too busy pushing progressive agendas rather than telling good stories and defining characters by identity politics rather than developing them as individuals through good story telling. Finally I think Jodie Whitaker was a really bad casting choice for the Doctor, not because she is a woman, but because she lacks the charisma and ability to convey a super knowledgeable benevolent ancient alien. Imagine Alex Kingston as the Doctor, she has all those qualities and would of been great as a female Doctor. That said I think having a female Doctor was again just more PC pandering, there was no narrative behind it and there is no good story telling reason for it, if there had been it would of made it an interesting change rather than something forced and awkward. But whether people agree about the show suffered by being too PC I think most long term who fans would agree the writing has fallen away and even S10 but for some good episodes and being help up by Capaldi was falling away, Doctor Who's zenith was the 50th anniversary for me.

@The Doctor well if it's 10 we're talking about he's too busy flirting up a girl barely out of her teens, treating her successor really damn badly, selfishly wiping someone's memories because he feels it's for the best despite their disagreement, firing up his god complex normally regardless of the results, pretending he has the worst life out of anyone ever and just generally being a massive douche bag. So yes he really doesn't have the right to look at earth in shame.

I actually blame bad writing she’s a very brilliant actress and got to put her spin on the doctor more in season 12 and grow I think it’s cos season 11 turned too pg 7 but season 12 shows a lot of promise which I’m hoping to see more of

Never thought about it that way before!

Ugh, don't. The 'chemicals' scene is genuinely one of the most disturbing I've ever seen.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

LOL

The concept would of been interesting if it was made before Children of earth

Peter, but technical the 12th Doctor.

If only the doctor was their he could have found a way to stop the monster and save the children. How i would do is jack to get back in touch with Martha, have her give him the number for her phone on the tardis and ask him to get his ass to earth immediately

Torchwood as a series works best as an exploration of how Jack chose to live his life on Earth after having gained a sense of protective responsibility from being the Doctor's companion. Fittingly, for a man the Doctor abandoned out of fear, Jack's attempts to use his immortality to help the world ended in death, destruction and self-hatred. But then the Doctor showed up and forgave him, in between Season 3 and Season 4, and by Seasons 6 & 7 there was a hint that Jack had had his hand cut off and vortex manipulator stolen, followed by an outright statement that he'd bequeathed it to the Black Archive after one of his deaths. With the benefit of that hindsight, it would have been preferable if Torchwood Season 4 had been delayed until after 2011, so that Jack could have appeared in A Good Man Goes to War as originally planned. Then they could have built on that appearance for a Season 4 in which Jack and Gwen could have found that all times were happening at once due to River not shooting 11, and set up a new Torchwood to fight the threats from across time that had all appeared in the same place. That could have become the organisation that Amy and Rory joined to fight the Kovarian Chapter. After that, a Season 5 would feature an exhausted Jack and Gwen taking a back seat to Kate Lethbridge-Stewart, with Season 6 spent fighting the Gomez Master and Season 7 spent helping Ashildr pick up after the Doctor. Season 8 would deal with the Doctor's apparent disappearance and conclude with the reveal that he was lecturing in Bristol, which when combined with the funding cut described in the Whittaker era would inspire those left alive to disband the Earth-based organisation and use vortex manipulators provided by Missy to travel the stars and set up their own version of the Time Lords like in Legends of Tomorrow. Maybe that's why they were called the Time *Masters*.

As someone who is yet to finish torchwood then plans on wathcing new who torchwood and sarah jane together, thanks !

I wish it would come back.

DWN KAOMWN Jack had to make a Thanos decision there.

@@kaizoisevil yep his daughter and grandson or 10% of the kids on the planet

and than People think they would like to be immortal. Jack can't even eat a bullet to end the Pain in his Head.

@@kaizoisevil I know why he had to do it, but I don't have to like it.

DWN KAOMWN sometimes the only choices you have are bad ones but you still have to choose.

It is heart-stopping. Kudos to Eve Myles. She was going to save that kid as if it was her own. The determination on her face is everything.

You watched this when growing up???

@@Temptation666 I must have been around 15/16 at the time, I was really into Doctor Who and it was great watching Torchwood as it aired!

@@CB-kc4it pew. Okay I saw in my minds eye a small kid watching this and I freaked out LOL

@@Temptation666 Well I was 10, so plenty of children did watch it when it was broadcast. What can I say? I was a Doctor Who and Torchwood fan, hah. I love my mum for letting me watch mature television when I was a kid.

So accurate!!

So 100% black.

@@mrgreeny906 Slightly darker black.

Chad Butler so the equivalent of a black hole, dark matter? Or am I just scratching the surface?

Blacker than my cousin Femi

I did not see it that way. I thought of it as the Doctor saying "I forgive you" and that is also how I feel Jack thought of it... And boy did he need to feel forgiven

@@Temptation666 I feel like the doctor needed forgiving. Where the heck was he during all this.

@@mrknowhere6457 It was probably some form of fixed point in time. Jack understands better than most companions why he may not have been able to so as he has a better grasp of the laws of time. I doubt he'd hold it against him.

@@mrknowhere6457 "Where the heck was he during all this." Somewhere else. Sometimes, humans need to learn the hard way.

Mr Knowhere what do you mean. Where the heck was he. The brutal fact is, he’s just one man, he saves the universe but he doesn’t have some form of ability to just know when shit is happening. Sometimes it’s just coincidence. But he sure hell hears about it and probably thinks “i should’ve been there”. Hopefully that sort of conversation exists in s13 between the pair.

@dr103 Steven Moffat and RTD did confirm the time reasserting itself theory in a Radio Times interview. If you google Frobisher and Caecilius its one of the first links that comes up

That's depressing and dark I wish Doctor Who actually explored it.

This makes me wonder if The Doctor knows about Frobisher being Caecilius's descendant. And if he did, is he regret it because his action lead into this whole thing?

I didn't know that it got confirmed by Moffat and RTD, thank you!

King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England it’s what happens when you lose hope and rush an ending just before the good thing happens

And The Doctor forgives him.

seems like real life tbh with our shitty pms

So while I feel the losses definitely helped in his choice, I think the main reason is that he feels responsible for a lot of what happened since he reliqueshed to the 456 in the past. I think regardless it would have happened unfortunately Jack took responsibility so he wasn't going to try to find another child

Although the Prime Minister would probably be able to keep his job even if everything he said was recorded and exposed......

@@Adam-nb6im Sad but true.

Just deny everything. Ah fake news.

In part because it’s even more relevant and visually recognizable

Starts out as grape juice...

yes

Considering the fact that they are willing to sacrifice innocent children to a bunch of alien junkies (even their own employee’s children) just to save their skins, their actions are vile at best.

Humanity's most historically effective deflection tactic. "We can't be the monsters. We called them evil first!"

By a large margin. Adric's death during the fifth Doctor a distant 2nd place. It's hard to top aliens holding a planet hostage to get high on kids.

After the sky man

zak jaggs The Sky Man isn’t that dark compared to Children of Earth

@@zakjaggs9761 whats sky man?

@@morningcoffeecat2271 Episode 3 of Big Finish's original War Master miniseries. Like with the 8th Doctor miniseries Dark Eyes, it was so successful that they made three sequels...which weren't anywhere near as good. Granted I'm writing this right before War Master 4 comes out, so maybe that one will be a worthy sequel. At the very least it has Mark Gatiss' alt-universe Master from the David Warner alt-universe Doctor audios, so that's something.

He was desperate. None of the fighting back started until after his death.

I agree, he was a public servant who was doing a job he didn't want to do but still kept doing it because that was what he signed up for, and still yet he gets fucked by the cowards in the rest of the cabinet

Reminds me of the ending of the film-adaptation of The Mist from maybe 10 years ago.

@tylerx2f01 Including a really awesome punch to PM's face, the way he punched Glenn!!

mooseot yes that’s what I was thinking.

Amazing parallel with the 12th Doctor.

💥💥💥 💥

RIP John Frobisher You will be missed 😭😭😭💜

@@BlackCover95 Too soon 😭😭

he made the choice, it was his penance

So: I finished watching the full reaction and needn't guess anymore... See you, soon, in 2020 for (New) Who. And then I'll catch up with your Vikings stuff ('cos I haven't started S6 yet), whilst you suss out your schedules. Have a great time with your family at NY. :)

That's something I love about this finale (well hate, but think is brilliant) the conclusion to the politicians storyline is realisticly disappointing, no one really suffers the consequences for what they did.

The word for that moment is *haunting.*

The most horrible part is the silence in between the third and fourth gunshot.

Yes Season 4 don't exist in my world

Renee Vejbirk what about the Big Finish series 5 and 6 stuff?

@@EditedAF987 Never heard any big finish. Can't afford them, so I do not count those. Like many other Who fans I do not think of them as canon. You're free to do so of cause 🤣 Maybe they are good. I do not know. But season 4 is an abomination and therefor should be wiped from existence

Renee Vejbirk I mean the Big Finish stuff is pretty good. They pretty much ignore Miracle Day aside from like a few mentions. The most they’ve ever done is reveal that an alien race known as the Committee of Erebus were the true masterminds behind it but that was more to set them up for later appearances. Also RTD himself helped the planning out of the main story arcs for series 5 and 6

@@EditedAF987 Still don't change the fact that far from everyone has access to it.

Eh HBO would think they would. The thing here, is Torchwood was going pladces GoT and The Walking Dead wanted to go, almost a decade earlier, and making it have impact.

Tbh there is no proof the 456 dude actually died cause they pulled something out of the tank.

GoblinKing lol that is even more ambiguity then!

What I think happened personally is by doing this Jack uncovered their weakness. Think America going to war against some weak backwards country that suddenly manages to build nuclear weapons. They would instantly back off.

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I heard that one too

Harry Wykes well she’ll have to get through the Committee arc before getting to series 5 and 6

Forget the whoniverse. I don't think I've ever watched anything that got this dark and brutal. This surpassed anything in Game of Thrones or anything else.

Oh my god... :0

@@kenikeni9912 In one of the previous episodes she asked for our spoiler-free opinions on Peter's performance. I started my comment with "his performance in the latter half is genuinely mind-blowing." I was so proud of that gag I'm not even ashamed.

Not even just that they die, but HOW they die. It’s horrifically dark. Quite frankly one of the best series in the modern Whoniverse. I like Miracle Day, but it’s a huge shame that that is what follows this.