Tornado IDS/GR1 In War Thunder : A Basic Review 

Can yuo make a video about the new T129?

@@sneakysnek8416 It wont be for a while. I have a video up about the Mangusta, which is almost identical - mostly except for the new missiles.

@@TimsVariety question: do you know if the Map in the tornado's cockpit displays CCRP or hostile units in Sim battles?

It definitely was not ready. That much could be said in Early Dev Server when the flight model was borked. Mind u why this thing wasn't ready sooner given it should've come to the game sooner, I do not know and don't understand why

@@firestarteronyoutube5542 It's Gaijin. That's why.

Pretty much "Doom meets Ace Combat"

A g r r e e d that bass drop tho

Bunkers and bunker busters would be a good thing.

Absolutely. I definitely hope they add something like this soon

they should also remove the artificial nerfs on the A-10s and make them the same BR. Spread out ground targets (and add more) so theyre not all under the middle of the map where the inevitable furball happens add closer bases/priority bombing targets (like bridges) closer to your spawn for you to attack, that are only destroyable and visible to slow attack aircraft (and the team that needs to defend them) at top tier like the A-10s and anything that comes in the future that are THAT slow but too advanced to be in the prop BRs. Basically there should be bases YOU need to defend that are closer to the enemy air field but can only be seen by their A-10s since they cant actually get to normal bases or targets in time to bomb them. As a whole alot needs to be changed about Air RB to allow aircraft to do their roles rather than it being a "fighters or nothing" mode. (Su-25s and A-6Es dont need this because they are twice as fast as the A-10, and in the case of the SU-25 it can actually be a fighter and is severely under-BR'd with better missiles than Aim-9Ls)

For what it’s worth the Marinefleiger Tornado, the event one, is already 10.7.

it's basically inferior in almost every way to the A-10's except a not so impressive speed gap. That thing can carry more bombs in a better variety with a better gun and the same loadout of Aim-9 L's ... at 10.3

@@Coliflower185 was it changed or did it start there?

@@nbranski43 It didn't change, It was always 10.7, I tried it in testdrive and I was able to lock on ground targets at more than 35km away, if it's able to launch those fire and forget radar AGMs at such distances it will be one of the most devasting cas at top tier, you takeoff from af, launch all paiload, land, repeat until mission is over, profit.

@@nbranski43 not so impressive speed gap than A-10? We're talking about Tornado here but in terms of payload its definitely inferior

It is a 4th though

Only the cutest of Tornados

:D

Yes the Italian tornado

The Event tornado is currently 10.7 so who knows

@@raksomething6942 But I think 4 GBUs with a t pod and a good climb performance together with 2 9Ls will give it a very good performance in GRB and since Gaijin doesn't use separate BRs for ARB and GRB I don't think it's statistics will be bad enough to be going down.

@@raksomething6942 event tornado doesn’t have gbu only anti ship missles

@@majo3488 if its based off of Air RB stats, it'll be at 10.7 before you know it. Ground RB? Dunno, can't vouch for that

@@majo3488 Gaijin does use separate brs for RB and AB

It was the IDS that was fast on the deck and slow up high, the IDS engines were configured for low altitude since it was a low alt bomber as you know, the F2 variant of the ADV used the IDS engines, however the F3 was faster up high than it was down low since those engines were configured for high alt

@@FullThrottleRacing535 I don't believe this is really correct. The engines got 'tweaked' but not much, and the variable air intakes played a large part in the engine flight performance. In the GR1-4 I believe part of the airframe actually messed up air intake into engine 2 which played a part in its issues. The F3 low down was described by a pilot as 'nothing faster than that.' Some bold claims. I believe the acceleration claimed would be low level - What I do remember us being told on a visit to Leuchars soon after the ADV arrived: 1. It could out-accelerate anything in NATO short of an F-15 2. The stretched fuselage had lower drag than the IDS; in fact it was proposed to Japan as an IDS+ for their F-X competition 3. It could out-turn the UK-Phantom at all speeds and altitudes and the Lightning in some regimes 4. It could out-roll a Hunter and catch it in a scissor.. There is some flight data around - www.key.aero/forum/modern-military-aviation/148414-the-performance-of-tornado-f-3-adv

@@FullThrottleRacing535 Nah, he was right. The F.3 sucked at anything above medium altitudes, wasn't uncommon to have to plug one engine into reheat just to stay plugged into a tanker. On the deck though it was the only thing in NATO that could run down an F-111. At the end of the day its easier to turn a large fighter into a bomber (F-15E) than a bomber into a fighter (Tornado).

@@FallenPhoenix86 We call that a JaBo or a “fighter-bomber”. Drop the ordnance and you almost have a fighter again. The tornado was meant to go really low, skimming over hills and ridges and hide in valleys, following a flight plan that kept it in radar shadow as much as possible, go fast and rip the enemy a new one. Especially against more static targets. And then the Alarm missile - you can use it as a HARM, you can also send it to a point where it will zoom-climb and dangle from a chute … waiting for anyone to turn on their radar, then it will drop the chute, possibly fire a second ‘stage’ to get momentum downwards and smash into the radar. And I agree, the tornado as shown here is not half the fun. Try bomb tossing (the on-board computer supports this) Or vertical dive bombing. It is not a dog fighter and even the ADV is more a BVR missile carrier than a fighter. Yes, you may have to think about your next moves in advance … not as much as the African Queen, though. Your job is to get in, screaming like a banshee, if possible from 3 or 4 directions within a few seconds, confuse the AA, have an ALARM or 3 loitering, and make them shoot everywhere and nowhere - if they manage to react at all, drop your bombs/ordnance on the targets, get out of sight again, go home, repeat… The JP233 is fun (and not compatible with the land mine treaty), basically dropping 30 shaped charge cratering in a row, which blast hole, the second stage, a cylindrical charge falls into the hole and goes off, increasing the crater and lifting the rim … harder to repair than just “pour in some quick-set concrete. The second part is what runs afoul of the treaty: 215 submunition mines, they self-effect, explode when disturbed or a timer runs out and if you drive into them with a bulldozer, they’ll be pointing their shaped charge in your direction (simple physics) and go off. Not so good when you want to clean the runway asap …

@@FallenPhoenix86 Sucking is a point of view. Careful review is required, and a lot depends on where in development cycle. For clarity, it was able to stay on station, with refueling to a level that made it a good plane in its role (lets be honest, mostly escorting bear Ds or similar..) - and sitting over the falklands. It was a missile truck once developed, with a bunch of missiles and ability for its job. My understanding was that its mid and high acceleration were 'ok', but there was a gap at mach 1.2 where the intake change is needed. It could on burners push towards the fabled mach 2.2 - but this was fuel limited (mostly). At low atititude, from what I read - it was both a very fast accelerating plane, and one with an exceptionally high speed at low altitude. 'We could chase down anything' speed. While people viewed its job as high/medium. Given the missile truck status, I'd make a semantic argument that while its peacetime Bear D role was playing out, this amplified critical commentary of the type, if the missiles flew, my guess would be enemies would try low level. And if so the thing could amply do that role. In saying that, the plane had servicablility issues all its service life, so bending it at low level probably would be unhelpful....

I understand the point but I can handle it and top tier at least for me makes fun in every plane, with flares or without

Question, why take this jet into combat when the F16 or F14 can do the job better than it can?

@@stuartemmanuel3735 Show me the F-16 or F-14 on German tree

then why is the a10 at 10.0 (I think, say if wrong) with the same AAM capabilities?

@@MaccaThePacca Better, A-10 gets up to 4x 9L's vs the Tornado's 2x. We could expand up to a BR range of 15 or even 16 with no gameplay issues at all... but Gaijin have no interest in making the game ballanced or fair so it wont happen... at least not as long as people keep throwing money at them for new over priced pixel planes every 3 months

Nah, it's not just the Tornado, A lot of the British top tiers have been dunked on. Every one of them with other country counterparts are worse, and the rest are put in battle ratings that make no sense.

For the time being it's br really need to go down since not every countries has their own 4th gen and Tornado is just 3rd gen idk why in the stream they called it 4th gen

@@Anon-yi9yn the tornado is 4th gen

​@@rexxmen no it's 3rd gen

@@crimsonmoongaming4512No it’s 4th gen. Stop lying on the internet.

@@Anon-yi9ynIt is 4th gen.

we should have gotten adv first.

We should've got the ADV as America got the F-14. But god forbid we get a vaguely competitive platform

@@firestarteronyoutube5542 Ikr! At least we got the...the...*scrounging noises*...AH! Yes, the Harrier GR.7...at 11.3...

This!

It should have been introduced alongside the F111 and the Su24. All three are twin seat swing wing interdiction bomb trucks, with the tornado being a bit newer.

@@juanordonezgalban2278 yea so true although bomberplay is fucked up at any br right now but i'd love to see more supersonic bombers

they should've added the ADV instead

France already had a fourth gen fighter, germany and britain got an underwhelming bomber

@@juanordonezgalban2278 exactly

.. you remember that too, eh? ... any day now, right? .. meanwhile, enjoy the wingrips everyone ..

​@@TimsVariety I stopped playing War Thunder in early 2021, with the Javelin experience still sitting pretty fresh in my mind especially after the lukewarm addition of the Lightning afterwards,. Coming back to this is just a horrendous Nostalgia trip. Gaijin has a habit of botching British aircraft because of how they treat the manuals, such as how the British Tornado apparently has a lower wing rip speed to the German variant only because the British manual lists a lower top speed. The issue is, it seems like the Royal Airforce have a habit of listing speeds lower than their actual in order to stop pilots from breaking the toys, when in reality the aircraft were capable of far more, but that 'far more' falls outside of what was the accepted bracket of pilot safety for usual operation.

USA tends to make pretty poor decisions when deciding to adopt a vehicle when given many options. Examples being: M1 Abrams (really shouldve taken the Leopard there), M2/M3 Bradley, and the rest are mainly prototypes that we simply didnt adopt because we felt it was a little too expensive or something.

I can't wait to achieve vengeance against the bvms with a radar guided, 30km range, 60kg warhead deathstick

Yes

The snail must have some plans for higher tier Ships. Otherwise the Anti-Ship missile will be pointless

@@TolerablyInterested Whats scarier about that is I'm pretty sure the warhead is actually undersized in WT. Least the version I saw seemed to be.

DCS tells me you are correct.

Knowing Gaijin and how they screw over German and British air every update, we will get a German Mig 29 or a competitive fighter around the time when usa gets a f-22 premium

No they don’t have ground radar just a weird 3Km thing that can’t do anything

This is war thunder and the AIM is a western weapon soo what did you expect.

@@florinmatusea I know. I didn't want to go there because fangirls and shills and deniers, but I know.

Notching...

My aim7Fs have been dumer than usual lately. Missing shots agaings the IA sabres in a head on and so on. And when I press U to see them they are dancing left to right bleeding energy...

Watch my last video

I've been having these problems in my F-14 and 16 too. Perfect shot parameters and the missile just pulls max G away and towards the ground. I found that sometimes it'll try to go back to the correct course but well, it's usually way to late.

I get a lot of these problems lately, they also seem to literally dodge the target they were intended for last minute, like wth. But i also have same problem with any radar missile in the game… that’s like since november.

Its a Brick to fly in Sim. Unresponsive and with the wings swept back, you shouldnt even attempt to turn

When is this nerf? I've been playing GR.7 in 11.7 with my friends, i still feel the missile is insane.

@@black_thunder2159 for some reason the 9l is extremely flare horny now. I pop one flare and it goes for it

@@black_thunder2159 I spaded it before the update and after the update the missiles go for flares really easily

The 9L was way too powerful before the nerf. I say this as someone with over 200 matches in the 104 ASA

@@johnsmithers284 Exactly I'v played coupled a matches against F-16s and GR-7 Harries and i managed to dodge 9L so easily

It's not even that no one thinks it isn't. It's just straight up troublesome to play. To make matters worse you're forced to play it as a fighter when stock because "No bombs?"

@@firestarteronyoutube5542 That's only when you're stock and that's still not an excuse to continue to play it as one even after. Being troublesome to play doesn't make it bad, it makes it a plane you need to actually think to fly.

@@willsimpson3783 I agree and I love mine constantly get 2 bases and 2-4 kills each game

@@fadfauziug8146 people will hate on anything they're terrible with. Its hilarious

There will e a poll about that soon. Trying a few new minor formatting alterations, and checking the stats/results.

Its coming.

I suggest realistic or sim.

@@willsimpson3783 i am using it in realistic but I don't have a hotas for sim

First I've heard of it, and the only posts on the CC discord are a few people making fun of obviously fake reddit "leaks" of AIM-120s.

@@TimsVariety hm, understand Thanks

@@TimsVariety have a good holidays, btw

people were mainly hyped about the ADV tornado not this one

@@FullThrottleRacing535 exactly, they were hyped for something good not this

@@revolutionarygaming4562 yeah, ive been waiting for the tornado ADV for a very long time, had the fgr.2 for 4 years and still have aim9g's. However if they added the IDS correctly with its right top speed on the deck this would still be pretty cool to have, once i found out they made the top speed 1400kmh i didnt even bother grinding it even though ive been wanting this bad, still going to grind the adv next update though.

I wanted the IDS to be honest but it shouldn't face F-16s and Mig-29s also it just wing rips so easily at high speeds and it can't turn which I doubt is the case IRL.

@@Frozander What else should it face, huh? F-8 or even Su-7 or MiG-19? This BR is ok for the IDS. It was the plane I was most excited for and it's a great addition to germany but one point feels strange! When the Tornado is 11.3 or 11.0, you won't be able to play it together with the Eurofighter Typhoon later in the game, I hope and think so

I wish i have arguments....but i have none. Poonado is overtiered as heck, plagued by bugs and trash FM

Only because of gaijin

uh and some guy sad to me it was designed to fly under radar in the yugoslavia war, but it was never used for that purpose^^ (i was in the german army for conscription)

i stood next to one of those things while it started. we were told that we need to wear kidney protectors when it accelerates, because the vibrations that the afterburner makes could harm us. it felt freakin lovely!

@@MrDaeniboy yes it was designed for low level flight but in Yugoslavian the Bundeswehr mainly used the ECR version which is not Kent to fly low anymore. Und ja hast recht haha bin Tornado Mechaniker ^^

@@fadfauziug8146 wie lang darfste das noch sein? hab gehört die wollen das schöne flugzeug durch überteuerte senkrechtstarter ersetzen :///

war in lechfeld im wehrdienst. die hatten da schon sterbestimmung für den tornado :/

Flare Dispensers

@@tomstorck9972 thanks

Umm yes but no the first flight was in 1974

Technicall correct

It just proves the fact gaijin don’t like the uk, I’ve been complaining about how gaijin treats the uk Japan and france, very uncool of the snail

Irl mk101 and mk103 had some minor thrust differences, mk103 fixed mostly reliability issues. Fun thing is british got the worse version. Gr.1 is earliest possible variant, german ASSTA is IDS with mid life upgreade with some parts from GR4 and LITENING targeting pod from 2000s ;-; italy got some different frankenstein panavia with RB mk105 wich were used only on ECR and gr4

Italy does not have the MK105 it has the 103 and the ASSTA 1 is NOT an upgrade ASSTA just describes the Bundeswehr equipment and upgrade version. ASSTA 1 is the most basic without any Kind of upgrade. A ASSTA 1 tornado should not be able to operate the Lightening pod

But you are right they are all weird Frankenstein mixes with their engines, the Fueltank in the vertica stabilizer (ADV exclusive feature) and weird equipment options

@@fadfauziug8146 you got a source for the ASSTA 1 not being able to operate a target pod?