Ken Clarke spoke in the debate on the government's Safety of Rwanda Bill in the Lords on Monday, and he didn't hold back on his party. Subscribe to our new podcast now, or you're a silly goose: linktr.ee/pubcast
Well said Ken Clarke. I'm not a tory supporter but usually have time for what Ken says (not just because he's a Notts boy and a jazz & cricket fan) as he's "old school" when agree or disagree you could still describe him as a decent, moral, public servant who spoke with common sense ..... and this speech today was without notes, good going at 83
You're just as out of touch as he is. Glad you're happy with immigrant alkali attacks though; you're just the sort of idiots these people rely on to stay here
I agree, He’s never been one to blindly toe the party line, I also always liked that he came from his constituency, it wasn’t unusual at all to see him out doing his shopping in ASDA… the current incumbent was parachuted in from Wales I believe, not much in the way of local representation…
An elected dictatorship ? In Sunaks case he's an unelected dictator already. Rwanda is a failed project already. Too much money has been spent on something that will go nowhere
That money could be used in our own country...the state we are now in is disgusting. Get our own folks fixed, use the money to bolster our declining Military, Fix NHS, Homeless (which would be reduced once the illegals are deported) , Vets and elderly. Get rid of all foreign aid for good is a first step today....UN-they are all crooks, double payments to Palestine - now we know that we have contributed (along with many other countries to the terrorists). EU not looking that great either. It is a disgrace.
That's the problem of your British system in general and your overglorification of democracy. You annihilated the power of the monarchy to check Parliament and kneecapped the power of the House of Lords (because muh democracy) to check the power of the House of Commons and you don't have a Supreme Court with the power and standing as the American one. The result of your constant quest to make the HoC the supreme power in the land (because democracy!) is that the Prime Minister is basically a dictator with no checks on him if he has enough votes. Democracy always eventually leads to dictatorship if not checked.
Oddly to my elderly mother see can't see any other solution to the problem... She watches GBeebies & Talk Twaddle TV hence has lost sight of abject reality. @@Rhianalanthula
The PM says that the Lords should not interfere with ‘The Will of The People’. But who exactly are these people? I certainly don’t know anyone who supports the Rwanda Bill and the polls don’t support Rwanda. The will of the people is screaming for a GE now!
The far right always try and invoke a silent majority. They count on apathy (and where possible, the threats of violence) to make sure nobody counters their claims.
Also the lords purpose is basically spellchecking the commons, these debates sometimes make the rounds on RU-vid but the commons can force through what they like in the end so to argue that it is in some way undemocratic is silly really.
I checked - he is 83. Speaking cogently and without notes. I often disagree with Kenneth Clarke's ideas but I hope I can be half as eloquent as he is when I reach my eighties.
They aren't. But they realise that an angry and very vocal proportion of the electorate are insanely out of touch with reality. Many of whom are in marginal seats. They know this is bonkers, illegal and likely to fail. As Mr. Clarke eluded to, it is purely an exercise in perception management. It is not a serious government policy.
This government is lobbied by the richest people on the planet the banking families who are Zionist and will do as they say for money big money and that’s all they care about not humans money that we don’t see it’s numbers in a computer, however they want those number for self gain not for the betterment of Britain, the new world order that’s on the way already will be a fascist Zionist neo Nazi run World especially Europe US Argentina Brazil all the neo colonisers ganging up to rule the world 9:25 as a fascist world,eventually dictatorship and then totalitarianism, it’s Orwellian only much worse than.
It is fully in touch with reality that is why they are so good in manipulation. The fact that many even talk about immigration as if it some sort of huge problem is proof for just that. The problems for the people, the working class they allude to too often are the tranfer of their money to private corporations at the cost of their wages and public support among other things. But they first create these problems and then point at other, needy people as the cause of it all. So no, they know exactly what they do and they know how to get away with it.
An old voice of facts and common sense! As opposed to lies, misinformation and self serving grifting, which seems to be the norm for the conservatives these days🤷♂️
A voice of fact and common sense, really! Ever wondered why boat crossings did not exist before 2010, why the term "illegal migrants" did not exist before 2010? A. The Tories. Tories created this problem by blocking all previous legal migration and asylum routes, routes that have existed for decades, were proven safe, orderly and legal methods to migrate or seek asylum in another country. This is typical Tory tactics, create a problem then claim to be the only party with a solution.
@@alanturner9749Are you talking about the Rees-Mogg who said food clothes and shoes would be cheaper after Brexit. And that Brexit wouldn't be a problem between The Republic and Northern Ireland. On top of what is already a disaster, watch what happens after import checks start 1st Feb. Oh, and 8yrs later the DUP have only just agreed to sit in Stormont. Mogg is just a posh speaking grifter.
Well that's because conservatism as an ideology has moved more to the right. Being conservative in a trump world was significantly different to the time of thatcher/major/cameron it explains why there's so much infighting. Now I'm not a conservative voter but people like Clarke or rory stewart could potentially recieve my vote as they genuinely think of people rather then party. Whilst they will always have party loyalty they do t blindly follow it.
I like the two old Codgers behind Clarke agreeing in cohesion, he speaks sense, we are ALL at risk from this present Government who could pass anything they wish! We are in a total mess!
Clarke is one of the only Tories I respect. Well spoken and thoughtful and caring, and was a fantastic local MP in his day. Boris giving him the boot was terrible. He's from a different time when the Tories had some more credibility.
One of the Tory old guard: fearsomely intelligent, articulate and considered in his speech. I wouldn't vote Tory if you paid me a million quid but you have to respect people like Ken Clarke.
There are still a few decent Tories to be found in the 'other place'. As for those in parliament, they're now in a three-way race to the bottom with Tice and Farage to gain the string-vest vote.
Shows you how wide the Tory Party spectrum is, when a long standing member can see no sense in the current direction. Great to hear amidst the largely surreal nonsense coming from the House of Commons at the moment!
One may not agree on the same politics from time to time and not always on the same things all the time but Kenneth is a very reasonable, humble and good fine upstanding gentleman both throughout the whole of politics throughout all across the parties. It is with a heavy heart given the huge tragic sadness over this disastrous state of affairs that will forever sadly haunt both UK and French maritime and coast guard authorities. Kenneth has made a wise decision but it is one that comes with bitter sadness for everyone given the immense horrors that none of us will ever forget sadly. It takes immense courage for the benefit for the concerns of democracy therein, laying out the facts! Here here well said Kenneth 👏
We elected the Conservative Party to rule (unfortunately) and the leader of that party becomes the PM. We don't vote for the Prime Minister, we vote for the party.
I have respect for Ken Clarke and always hear him out. Don't always agree, but he does provide reasoning to support his position. Got to agree with him on this. It's a very slippery slope if this bill goes through unamended. Overruling a court is definitely outside the bounds of parliament
If this works they will pass a law saying that all poor people have enough food to eat and homes to live in, and thereby permanently solve poverty in one stroke. The fact there will still be people going without food to pay their rent and children growing up homeless won’t matter, because those people will legally not exist.
This country urgently needs a general election. The Tories must never be allowed anywhere near power again after the damage they've done to this country.
@@shabbos-goy9407I think they are. Referred to as vermin many years ago they have gone downwards since at least after Thatchers day. Proved they don't get better only worse.
Not a die hard tory supporter by any means, but old Ken talks alot of common sense! One of the old school politicians, here for the country not personal ambition or ego!!!
Not a perfect politician for me, but a damn good one. One with conviction and clarity of thought. From a bygone time of politicians having some scruples at least. Age and time are against Ken Clarke now, but instead of filling the commons with the likes of Lenoch Anderson, we need more decent people in that role again.
Ken Clarke and Co... I sure miss some aspects of this saner, older more rational Conservatism! Not that I ever voted Tory mind, but at least back then, we could agree to disagree reasonably amicably. But now!?
What everyone seems to be missing is that no matter where we keep sending them, safe or unsafe countries, the British Taxpayer will be paying g for them all over the world!!
Reminds me of an LBC funny caller saying, ‘PM missed the chance; in, you can declare a country safe just by putting it in the legislation. Why not go straight to the problem and declare that immigrants’ boats crossing don’t exist?
Because they need their scapegoat. There's a reason they won't establish safe routes and look at other cheaper and more effective solutions: They don't actually want to solve the problem. Then what would they complain about? Well I guess they'd go after trans people harder, and when they're done with that gay people and legal immigrants like they used to and some still do
Bravo Ken. I stood against him twice but I stand with him now. He is basically supporting Green Party thinking on this matter, I wish he had done the same when he was a minister.
This Country has always offered sanctuary & shelter for anyone who fits this criteria, yes I am stating the obvious, the Land mass alone of the British isles dictates that this Country cannot possibly absorb the whole world!!
Any country whose government can agree to send refugees to Rwanda has lost its way beyond saving. The solution would be to send Sunak, Braverman and co to Rwanda, remove their ability to buy their way out of the problem and leave them to make their way in the world. They clearly believe it’s safe for everyone. Let them be the first to prove it.
This just doesn't shock me at all. This government is just completely disconnected from the people. And it's obvious that they are only listening to the few instead of the many.
What does this even achieve? It's already not safe. Having a law saying it is, doesn't make it safe. I don't even know what the bloody point of it is because its not a legal matter, its a matter of fact, and its factually not safe.
His honesty here is telling "illegal immigration is small, but it's symbolic effect on public opinion is important" It's not a real problem, but they like convincing people that it is to get elected.
Not just that though - the far right use immigration as a recruiting tool for funding and paramilitaries, they've done it since Mosely and the British Facist party, the BNP do it, Farage does it.
Oh it's coming to something isn't it! When men like these come across as grounded & talking sense you know were "totally" screwed! Were going into dark times people. Very dark.
As many on here not a fan of Ken’s policies, but a fan of the person. I guess in many ways he is somewhat like Tony Benn, where many conservatives did not like his policies but could see the decency of the person. No group think among Tony or Ken, these are genuinely great English parliamentarians, as compared to the lot we have now.
If somebody travels from Afghanistan all the way to Britain then they put the effort in and deserve to live here. What did I do except just get born here? I didn't do anything to deserve living here. And there is no such thing as illegal immigration
It's worth remembering that Clarke was one of the first MP's Boris Johnson kicked out of the party immediately after becoming PM. Clarke responded in an interview by saying how he no longer recognised the Conservative party, calling it "The Brexit Party, rebadged". Given the past 4 years of borderline "hard"/far-right "Trumpian"/"Populist" nonsense, I think Clarke was more right than he was aware.
Before that, he voted against the triggering of Article 50. It is such an utter shame that a Tory MP of the stature and gravitas of Ken Clarke would see his illustrious parliamentary career come to such an undignified end. He served in the highest levels of government, was a minister for the entirety of the Thatcher-Major years and was still a leading figure in government under David Cameron. I'm sure he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but I think it would be safe to say that had he, somehow, become Tory leader and/or prime minister, the party would be in a much better place than it is now. I know a lot of the current Tory leadership don't like him and he is seen, rather derisively, as a bleeding-heart liberal Europhile (along with the likes of Michael Heseltine and John Major).
Another MP Boris kicked out was Winston Churchills grandson, despite claiming to worship the ground Churchill walked on. Isn't it funny how the current breed of Conservatives claim so much reverence and kinship with people like Churchill and Thatcher yet work tirelessly to scrap so many of the things they helped build.
There are more ethnic minorities in the cabinet than in the Labour party; the P.M. is Indian; they blather on endlessly about how essential immigration is to our economy; ! million visas issued last year; they minted a coin proclaiming "Diversity Built Britain, and minted another showing Britania as an African woman. In what universe does this qualify as "hard/far right"? You're living in a Left-wing fever dream.
I have never voted Tory, but I am old enough to have seen and heard Ken Clarke talk common sense on many issues during the last forty years. I have come to view him as the conscience of the Tory party, and I think that as long as there are Tories of his stripe, then we will be saved from the worst excesses of Tory idiocy. It is of considerable concern that there are fewer and fewer Tories who are as thoughtful, cogent or eloquent as Ken.
I agree, but unfortunately he’s not a Tory, having been booted out because he voted with his conscience instead of following party dogma when he knew it would damage the country. It’s a crying shame, but thankfully he still has a voice.
@@Poshfrocknfluffyslip He lost the party whip in the Commons in 2019 but is still a Conservative and sits as a Conservative peer in the House of Lords. I wish there was politicians of his calibre in the House of Commons these days.
sadly the current government are a bunch of right wing nut jobs now. I think centre right Conservatism has been replaced with the worst parts of UKIP and all the stupid that comes with it.
I could wish he were the tory consience. Sadly he is a mere echo of times past. If he were Jimminy Cricket then the torys are constantly having to remove 2ft a week of excess nasal growth, despite the enduring wish to become a real party
Ken Clarke represents a time when more people in politics were thinkers, regardless of which party they represented. The low calibre of (mostly Tories) in more recent times is truly tragic.
The Tories are definitely not the same calibre of the past, time will tell for the rest of them, I wouldn’t be surprised to find the next lot are as bad I’m afraid, there’s a lot of hard left Corbynites waiting in the wings to cripple a potential Labour government…
@@johnnotrealname8168 Labour haven't been in government over the last 14 years. They can only be properly judged when they are in power. I'm not a labour voter by the way- I'm from Glasgow and don't need to vote for them...but the Tories must be ousted down south asap.
If we're going to use the law to exclude facts about reality, why not just pass a law stating that the official number of "illegal" immigrants is zero? Seems an equally valid a way to tackle the issue
If they take up that idea, tell the GOP here in the States to copy the Tories homework lol Jfc the brain worms conservatives have grown the last decade...
That is essentially how Rishi's government has cleared the legacy backlog of asylum claimants, or whatever nonsense imaginary term they came up with. Anyone on that list was reclassified onto a new list so the the number of cases didn't have to go down for the government to claim success.
Already in one, with 54,7 percent of the UK legislature being Unelected, 783 member Unelected medieval house of lords. 650 member Elected house of commons.
To think that Joe Biden is about same age and struggles to complete a sentence without checking his notes. The Tory party became dominated by Euro skeptics and blocked one of their most capable members from becoming leader. Clarke was popular with the public without being populist, still is, and still way more capable. Hopefully everyone will vote for the candidate most likely to beat the Tory candidate next GE. Clarke and those like him would be vindicated. Maybe that is unfair to the candidate, but we must send a big message.
@@AdrianNelson1507 I mean historically he wasn't. He was pretty enthusiastically Thatcherite in his day. What is shocking is that the Tory party has moved so far to the unhinged right that he is now comes across like a voice of moderation.
The Tory party had Liz Truss as a leader and Rishi was forced to use Cameron in his government. They aren't quite putting up signs in windows asking for sensible competent Tories to help out the party but it's getting close.
This is not about Rwanda: it is about a discredited government passing a bill to the effect that it is always right. There are some very nasty words for that.
Government has been edging closer and closer to turning us into a fascist state with every single law they've passed over recent years. I've been saying it for a long time and got called a "woke radical naysayer" for it. This is what happens when you have political parties (and I'm including them all here) who treat their role and jobs as a sports game. They focus on bills and laws that are intentionally designed to spark emotion in certain (aka the ones who will vote for them) demographics rather than ones based on investigation, debate and facts. Oh, people are getting annoyed by protests - let's look to curb/ban them! That'll get us votes!! Oh, immigration is starting to become a talking point in the country, let's pull a quick "solution" out of our gilded arses and force it through by any means necessary, that'll get us even more votes! Oh, people uneducated on the topic believe that trans people are going out and trying to indoctrinate and groom their kids, let's stir up a culture war and tell lies - that'll get us ALL the votes!! All the whilst half or more of their "debate" time in parliament is spent seeing who can throw the most playground insults at each other. The whole thing is a joke. Just think if all the money they've pissed up the wall on this Rwanda nonsense (think paying Rwanda, the barges, the hotels, etc, etc) had been spent on providing safe routes and opening more immigration/asylum processing centres - this whole thing would be well on it's way to being sorted. Only just now are people finally cottoning on. Look where we are now - government and the rules around being an MP need to be radically overhauled to veer us away from the sorry state we're currently in.
The tories now employing the despicable trick of ignoring the amendments in the Lords and passing the orignal version of legislation again and again before it goes back and forward between the Commons and the Lords. Well the only thing the Lords can do is to sit on whatever legislation comes up been passed if the Commons just ignores amendments from the Lords. Only 43.6% voted for the tories 2019 general election anyway, the country did exactly not vote overwhelmingly in favour of extreme tory legislation getting passed firat time in the commons and unchallanged in the Lords
Its about a party desperate to cling to power that it thinks sending immigrants to an unsafe country will distract voters from the recession it has caused.
I wish all politician had the ability to study, think, consider, reason and speak like Ken Clarke. A quality individual the likes of which is sadly missing in today's politicians.
The amount of money spent on this bizarre and cruel situation is horrific. Just think what this money and TIME could have been better served on? This is a dictatorship, and it's not even elected
@@user-fg3lt6mo7jwhat about their payments for attending (and then going to sleep) and their SUBSIDISED food and booze, travelling expenses etc., this is a retirement heaven for these old fogeys.
And all in aid of the effective deportation from this country of the magnificent annual figure of some 0.026846% of immigrants into this country as a "deterrent".
@@JupiterThunderTo be fair, he was less able to speak freely then. He had to respect collective cabinet responsibility, so had to tow the party line more closely. As it stands though, he's an asset to the Lords.
He is a man of a time , when Tories had morales and decency . He is right about an elected dictatorship, giving police more powers, they will be in their element.
I remember the Daily Telegraph when it was a decent paper. Since it helped bring in the Tories after its attack on (duck house) Parliamentary expenses it is just the 'Blue Touchpaper'.
Ken Clarke was my MP. As a usual non-conservative voter, I voted for him in 2019 as he A: helped me personally and B: he was and always has been an ardent remainer. Now I listen to his common sense. There are some good Tories. Unfortunately, Ken and others, were turfed out over one thing and one thing only .. BREXIT. And look where that has got us. 🥴🇬🇧
Also my MP and I cheered when he retired. Never liked that he is an ardent remainer. Not that his replacement is any better. None of the Toxic Tories know how to be a genuine conservative any more.
@@darrylsimpson4744 as well as signing on to the horrific "online harms" bill as well as this dreadful Rwanda Bill and every other appalling bill that this Toxic Tory government has put through Parliament. She is not a genuine Conservative at all, at best she is a right of centre socialist who is supporting everything that is wrong with this government. They have lied to us and I am angry.
Sir Ken the Magnificent & all from his wheelchair. What a disaster for us all that the Tories no longer have the likes of him, Heseltine & others to help run the country. 😢
When you make Thatcherite and former Tory Home Secretary & Chancellor Kenneth Clarke sound reasonable, you must realise that you're the baddies. Right?
You may disagree with (as I do) the bulk of his personal politics? Just because he's a Tory, he's raising a very important points regarding the current bunch of 🤬 in No.10 & their idiotic obsession with the cluster 🤬 that is their "Rwanda" policy.
Typical Ken Clarke - utterly amazing and eloquent to pinpoint accuracy. A privilege to listen to him! Bang on correct, especially ‘the elected dictatorship’. That is Sunak!
He lied several times, though. He slanders people that take the government's only available route to asylum in the UK as "illegals", and pretends that the Rwanda policy would not be a violation of human rights if a safer country could be found. He may have drawn a legalistic line here, but he's fully on board with the government's immoral and illegal campaign itself.
We have to take our country back - Parliament all has to go. UN disbanded and after that the UN....they are all corrupt. Keep our foreign aid for our own folk and elevate our suffering...bring back our morals, get the Military back to numbers whereby we can defend ourselves, fix NHS, deport the illegals which will help with homelessness and put more money in the pot, look after our elderly who have paid over the years for their retirement many times over. Bring back our pride!@@shabbos-goy9407
