Touker & Tej Clash Over Non-Dilutable Advisory Shares | Dragons' Den 

Sounds very erotic

@@harry_md1670 lol, whatever floats ya boat

Tej is usually quite greedy with his offers though

@@hanley331 u don’t call that greed it’s being astute cause he is a Sindhi.. Sindhis are cunning business family

@@hanley331 I've never really noticed, Touker always seems to go in for huge percentages.

Come on now, let's not start making things up 😂

@@ModestlyAmazing Jenny told me to tell you she's out

I saw her make one but she withdrew the offer afterwards lol

She's made more offers than Sarah Willingham, how about that!

I have too, I've literally only seen her make one offer and it was only for half the money of a 40,000 overall investment haha 🤣🤣

Ego ist a terrible Thing.

@Paul Blackman 2 ?

Lazy bar steward :)

@@trevorcathcart7047 He's pointing out that 2% of Amazon would be something anyone should be willing to get out of bed for. Touker's famous line is that he 'doesn't get out of bed for a small percentage of a venture. Insanely large and profitable ventures 'should' be an exception to a rule like this. But because it's such a 'firm rule' the way he says it, people like to point out the instances where a small percentage stake would still be worth his while (and therefore point out why he'd be hurting himself with this commitment). A flip-side to this would be if you could imagine a shark saying: "I'll buy any deal if I get 50% of it." - you would likely see a lot of people pointing out absolutely ridiculous and absurd deals that are clear failures and flops just because this rule existed for this shark or dragon. People would be keen on pointing out that 'if you buy 50% of a bad enough deal, it's still going to really hurt you'. In Touker's case, his common saying is that he doesn't accept a very small stake in something. He doesn't 'get out of bed' for that insanely small number. People respond to this by showing cases where he might miss out based on this rule because the insanely small number of % could still be worth a great overall number (ie: 2% of Amazon). Thanks-!

He usually says that about 5% when people offer less. If you wish to quote... Do it well dear X

Is there a word missing in the first sentence of your comment?

He's my favorite Shark too

@@dominiquezgarka7485 'Shark'? I think you meant 'Dragon'?

In terms of politeness, I always think Tej, Richard, and Sara Davies are the best.

There are still 2 more mistakes in the first sentence of your comment that haven't been corrected yet.

She's a great dragon, but in terms of net worth they are in different stratosphere. In fact, Jones is worth more than other four dragons combined. In 2022: *Peter Jones* is worth £1.157 *billion* *Sara Davies* is worth £37 million *Deborah Meaden* is worth £40 million *Touker Suleyman* is worth £150 million *Tej Lalvani* is worth £390 million Correlation is not causation, but I suspect picking holes in everything had something to do with the net worth of Pizza Jones.

@@Deadhammer218 wow go Tej he’s the most composed and thorough dragon and is worth a lot on top of that 😍

I love how you’re saying that based off a couple of minutes in a RU-vid video 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

​@@TaelurAlexis Tej inherited $306 million

@@mannygomez3577 i mean i dont think they are.. i think theyre basing it off all of her collective appearances on this show and the way she's always presented herself to be. We can be very good judges of character based on how these dragons interact with each other, and the ones looking for investment. Cheers

The advisory part apparently

dodgy... and preying on the vulnerable of the society more than so called virus

Yeah that guy was very smarmy and just agreed with what ever was being said,nodding his head in agreement and telling you how great you are,ingratiating himself into elderly and vulnerable people's lives,as Deborah said they were basically paying for company and ended up spending a hell of a lot more than they first intended. These people came to rely on him and he became their "friend " doing the shopping and spending hours chatting and drinking tea etc while the whole time charging them for his 'help and understanding ' I wouldn't trust that guy as far as I could throw him.

Definitely remember that crook. But there is a different vibe with this Dutch guy and I would dearly love to have my grandmother, and my mother's, life stories and photos in a book. I suspect this is a memory book that children would want to pay for. Or a parent who is terminally ill and leaving children behind.

I remember this. Many thanks for reminding me. Did not like the method of the other one. Just downloading this episode to watch later

@@hansiesma16 yes this is more professional and business like,the other guy was personally getting involved with his customers, smiling at them and shaking hands with his right hand and pocketing their cash in his left hand

At least spell the man's name correctly

@@rohielshah1779 shhhhh

@@rohielshah1779 okay ጠጅ offers so much help (although actually apparently he's pretty scammy when it comes to business dealings)

It sure does not seem like a good investment. With the gig a economy.. you can find a Ghost writers anywhere online, and have them write books.

Most companies have an expected level of loss at the beginning - hell, even Amazon was making huge losses at the start. What makes it an interesting prospect is that, despite the losses, more and more investors are lining up, which means there's something there. Plus there's the fact that, while there is a loss, the company is still growing. And, if you watched, the 5% that was ultimately granted was undilutable.

Probably using it as laundry for dirty money,there is no way with that loss every month would make money cos even if they grow a bit they would still be just covering money what they already lost .plus you can get online writers to write your book in second there is nothing unique about that

This is the dumbest investment ever, and why are the investors asking for 5%-7% of this? Those investors could start their own biography company for much less money and own 100% of the company. Spend a few thousands on a website, hire a writer, then pay the printer and take 100% returns. A 90K investment in this is crazy.

Yeah I was gonna say, exactly the same idea and structures just earlier on in the process

Yeah totally, at the time the dragons said it was targetting vulnerable elderly people who just needed a friend. I think that business model charged by the hour or something though so if this is a flat fee maybe it was deemed a bit more ethical.

Seems like the show was all a show most of the investment didn't make it after the show,Only handful such as Leroy reggae reggae sauce, energy saving bill, etc etc.

Dragons have bigger bills this year

@@Jimverse_ Yeah that's what I'm thinking but they didn't really go into that side of it with them on this episode. Also if it's a flat fee then doesn't that create issues when it comes to if the customer is unhappy and issues with time in regards to referrals which would effect scalability?! I'm just surprised how Debroah went from basically saying it should be on Rough Traders to saying she wouldn't invest as she'd want to do loads more with it! The concept was exactly the same so it's very bizarre. I just think the dragons are inconsistent and a lot of it has to do with how they are feeling at the time.

It's a wig.

@@peterd788 hair transplant

‘...funny how? Funny like he’s a clown? He amuses you? ... Makes you laugh?’

@@BabylonCentral ehhhhhhhh yeah

Me too it’s like a thriller with quick calculations

I've never watched a whole episode on the tv in my life, yet I reckon I've watched nearly every minute of every show

Try subscribe them

Don't lie. You're just addicted to dis deek

She's from Durham she'd fight any man

And lots of office spaces :D

Toucker time

Plot twist: there are no other investors, and they own 100% of the company. They just hustled Tej for 5%

Just like a certain someone who invented new way for many things.

Don't forget to edit the title to "Non-dilutable" as well... 😋

Don't like this comment and for that reason I'm out JENNY

howdy love the channel

Hi Hi Are these latest videos from the current season or from any of the seasons years ago? Can you upload each season so we can watch them with some kind of structure? Thanks, love the Den!

5:42 😂😂😂😂

Exactly my thoughts . How are they cashflow negative with such a big margin and sales ?

40k a month burn is ridiculous!! They pay 50% of their cost to the writer, and keep the other 50% They don’t have a premises or rent or stuff all overhead What the hell are they doing with their money to be burning 40k a dam month?? Shady AF.

It's the same episode I think.

@@egodden3977 no this is one of the new episodes, this one was from years back.

Yeah it was, he got crucified because he was basically scamming elderly people with the costs

Genuine, exact same idea, writer coming in, got CRUCIFIED

Yeah Deborah let rip HARD. I was expecting the same reaction this time and was surprised when she was complimentary

He's a Turk and was born in Cyprus though

Not a terrible return, it's the type of company that I can see getting bought by amazon or hallmark. Issue is longevity with 2% you would need a few years of those profits to make a decent return.

I think you mean OUTobiography

Dont lie. You just love dis deek

Same

Wow, crazy

Thx for the followup

They were burning 40k per month.. With a Tej on board that would have really helped drive the business in terms of rep and growth. Its not always about the amount of money you get invested.. Its the quality of the investor

They didn't "make" that money, it was invested.

Yes she really is .

Yep

Nice addition to the show. Jenny barely invests anyways lol

Yeah gotta be fair shes a star

She plays to the cameras.

Maybe is because she work with him a lot and knows that he makes a lot of right decisions

He also waits to see what she says because they're very competitive

Monthly

@@lowbirds90 oh yeah, true. Even worse then. I think they overvalued their company to be honest.

*480k losses

She's out

It's because she out looking for a book how to be in

missing out

Totally that was a thing !!

They said something along the lines of preying on the weak and vulnerable

Yesss how times change I guess

I remember that episode. You got a valid point there.

I think that was a little different, it involved specifically targeting older people with stories to tell, they wanted in the region of £9000 per customer, regular meetings over tea and cake and to be able to upsell extras. This is a similar concept but for the third of the price and aimed at anyone, with only one meeting with a matched writer.

Ik dacht dat 😂

The deal fell through in the end.

@@nick777forde Sigh 😕

Yeh, but they had an hourly fee structure vs fixed price, so people could rack up retainer fees unknowingly. On the flip side, with a fixed price, not sure why they don't worry about fussy customers spending too much interview time which would increase operating costs...

No they rejected Tej's offer

👏👏👏 Excellent work brother

let's hope convid situation will ensure sarah doesnt come forward to squash, i mean 'hug' any more entrepreneurs!

Dragons Den UK too. Had this idea before and they gave the guy a really hard time.

@@ryanneilan3223 yes, Deborah in particular. She called it exploitative.

Well to be honest Australia shark tank is joke , they do investments very rarely and once someone asks for bigger amount there would be just excuses from “sharks” why they won’t invest 😂I believe those “sharks” are just bad actors 😂😂😂

dont believe a word of that bs... They were burning cash at a ridiculous rate -- I for one wouldnt trust them to tell me the time in a room full of clocks!

@@Albimar17 Are you saying their posted accounts are fraudulent?

I had a look as well as I thought it was interesting what you said. Their 2020 accounts are unaudited where they made a £2.6m loss and though they have a large debtor balance of £1.2m, only £45k of that are Trade Debtors. The 2019 accounts are minimal with barely any detail, so really difficult to gauge an accurate picture. As far as them being a going concern, I would be surprised if they survive much longer. Investors are getting no return and I can’t see an exit strategy on this. It’s a great idea though, but I would love to know where they are burning their money. Must be poor marketing.

@@DealerD8vE they are inaccurate at best -- more to the story as deejay peekay uncovered, and I thank him for his contribution! Btw given C19 factor, I would expect their losses to build up even more, as during recession it would be one the last few items on people's mind that people would be willing to buy out of curiosity, let alone out of necessity.

@@djpeekay25 Just because accounts are unaudited, doesn't mean a company can play fast and loose with them - but I get your point. On reflection, calling a balance sheet recording a £2.6m loss "very healthy" was perhaps a little too positive on my part. However, what kills companies is a lack of cash flow. As you pointed out, they have a £1.2m debtor balance - almost double that of 2019. They've got £800k cash in the bank with less than £300k in external creditors to pay - and no outstanding long-term creditors. So "on paper" it looks like they have sufficient liquidity and shareholder capital to absorb the losses as they try to establish this new market. I'm actually quite skeptical that they'll succeed but considering all of the above, as long as they keep their shareholders sweet they might just do it. BTW I'm not an accountant feel free to correct me!

Lol what

Now what are you on about, Simp?

Aged like a fine wine

@@AA-tq7dm Like Vinegar.

@@nick777forde in which case I'd down in one.

What?

My thoughts exactly.

I thought it was a repeat of that episode

Difference is this business has sales and has already proved business model.

@@pravinbhorge7 proving how much they can lose. I think tea & sympathy was just a lot more scammy this is a bit more hands off basically you provide the storyline they just string it together nicely and publish it. The other guy will make it a 10k book stretching out the visits.

rich person's laughter...

or ersala from little mermaid

fancy a go?

It's fake anyway.

That's so spot on

why? she never invests either