TOY STORY 4: Is It Deep or Dumb? 

Toy story 3: Andy: Take care of woody for me Toy story 4: Andy: *Did I stutter?*

I’m disappointed the idea of Parenthood wasn’t explored. Looking at Toys as the equivalent to parents and the kids as children was always a compelling take to me. A quick example: now that Andy has gone to college, Woody, a parent with an empty nest, doesn’t know what to do with himself. He needs a new purpose, and that’s what he goes to explore in this movie. Meanwhile, Gabby was incapable of having a kid because she had a defective voice box, a barren womb. She obsessively clings to the possibility of having a kid though it was not in her cards. Ultimately, she and Woody find a way to reconcile with their situations and find new ways to love children despite the circumstances. That’s my take, anyway.

I just thought Toy Story 3 wrapped everything up so perfectly.

Ah yes, Buzz's inner voice! The thing that was never a thing for three whole movies

The dissonance between the sweet sound of Helen’s voice and the language she uses in phrases like “existential mindfuck” is what I live for

Me: watches wisecrack My yt recommended section: you want to watch hours of children's channel don't you? You should have just said.

_"A hallmark of a healthy creative culture is that its people feel free to share ideas, opinions, and criticism. Lack of candor, if unchecked, ultimately leads to dysfunctional environment."_ *~ Pixars*

Nobody: Wisecrack: Bo Peep is Satan!

I didn't like the fact that Gabby Gabby took Woody's voice box and never gave it back.

“Forky thinks he’s trash and keeps trying to end it all by throwing himself away” wasn’t expecting to be personally attacked when I clicked on this video but oh well.

You can call Shrek 3 a cash grab, but you leave Shrek 4 out of it

Andy in Toy Story 3: “take good care of Woody” Bonnie in Toy Story 4: “y’all hear sumn?”

0:30 Are you calling Shrek 4- a narrative masterpiece -a 'clumsy, narratively gratuitous cash grab'?

Talking about how most sequels are poorly made cash grabs while playing a clip of Shrek Forever Ever After? Not cool

Woodys sacrifice of Andys eternal love is immediately undercut by Bonnie losing interest in Woody and Woody abandoning everything. Doesnt matter if its deep when its super depressing despite the positive ending they portray.

3 was the perfect ending, it also felt like a goodbye to my childhood when I watched it (when I was 13). Maybe I have just grown up, but I didn't enjoy TS4 as much as everyone else, though I realise it's for a new audience. I didn't find any relation to it and it felt like a longer version of the TV shows. The animation is amazing though and still enjoyable in a way, just not the perfect conclusion everyone was hyping it out to be. There will be a 5th and maybe a 6th.

"Everyone fails at who they're supposed to be. The measure of a person is how well they succeed at being who they are."

Toy Story 2 Woody: Instead of going to the museum with you, you should come with me! Andy will play with us! Toy Story 4 Woody: *Bo's before bros!*

Toy Story 2 gave me my first existential crisis when I was around 7 or so. The fear of growing up and the responsibilities that come with it. They haven't stopped breaking my world view since. I'd also like to think that was one of the earliest catalysts for my interest in philosophy.

*The warm embrace of the garbage* a perfect way to describe my life

She commited the ultimate sin SHE REJECTED HER HUMANITY, JOJO

Andy: Woody will always be there, and he'll never give up on you. Woody in 4th movie: _Nope! Lghm imma head out_

But the film never does answer my greatest question: How Skynet manages to infiltrate toys with no internet connection?!

I grew up on Toy Story. It's my favorite Pixar franchise. Now I'm an animation major and it's my absolute dream to join Pixar someday. And I can never get over the rain scene at the beginning of Toy Story 4, it looks so insanely real. This is much the studio has improved their animation techniques over the past 24 years. For me personally, the writing may be weak, but I love Bo Peep's return.

no one: Wisecrack: *BoPeep is the antichrist*

I'm not saying Toy Story 4 was bad, but I do feel that it was the weakest of the 4 films. That said, I'm glad that I saw it since I was born the year the 1st movie came out, saw 2 and 3 on theaters with my mom, and 24 years later I saw the final film the same age my mom was when she had me. So, both completed a full circle.

We’ll need another Toy Story in order to confirm.

Watching TS4, I remember thinking it started as a critique of Paternalism: Woody's assuming he knows what is right for Bonnie is criticised when he attempts to usurp the role as "lead toy" and do what he thinks is right for Bonnie against the collective decision of the other toys. Yet in the end, it is the toys that decide what is right for Bonnie in a situation they clearly are not qualified to judge (sabotaging the family car and possibly getting the father arrested!) so - paternalism, Yay? Then there's the whole ignoring Forky's clearly suicidal desires for the entire course of the film, which also bothered me (I know she comes around at the end when Knifey appears, but you cannot argue Forky's desires were not clear up to that point). It all made for a philosophically incoherent film for me!

Raid: Shadow Legend and Raycon. Deep or Dumb?

IMO part of the problem with Toy Story 4 is that the message and character arcs completely fly in the face of the previous movies, especially Toy Story 2. In 2 Jesse learns, with Woody's help, that a toy can move on and find the love of a child again. However in 4 Woody essentially says that he'll never get over Andy. Not to mention how Buzz's characterisation in 4 makes zero sense, they completely Flanderized him and forgot the rest of the toys almost completely.

buzz lightyear toy at target started smiling and talking to me

I actually preferred 4 as an ending even though I was hesitant to accept that it was being made. Woody becoming free from his shackles as a childs plaything made me cry. I am the same age as the first film, and Toy Story has always been part of my life. I feel like 4 definitely had a reason to exist and I'm glad it does.

Cool commercial in the middle of your commercial between two commercials.

I haven't seen this movie yet but HOLY SHIT does the animation look amazing compared to TS3

Toy Story pretty much undoes the message of the previous 3 films which is about being there for your friends and family through thick and thin. Woody has already gone through the existential crisis of not being wanted when in Toy Story 2 he realizes that Andy is growing up and won’t play with Woody anymore one day. Which lead to Woody being accepting of the idea of being preserved in museum forever with all his memorabilia. But Buzz reminds Woody that being there for your kid was the important thing as a toy. ( Also it doesn’t make sense that Buzz doesn’t know what to do as a stand in leader when Woody is gone in 4, when he literally leads a rescue party in 2) Then in Toy Story 3 when Andy finally does grow up, the toys accept that their kid has grown up and they move on to a new kid together as a family. The problem with Toy Story 4 is that for some reason Woody is the only toy that gets completely neglected, but Woody being the good guy that his, is still there for his current kid. It’s not until that he runs into ex girlfriend (Bo Peep) that the issue leaving comes up. The only reason the toys are ok with Woody leaving is because they see he’s just completely neglected now. In 2 they rescued Woody because they know Andy loves him. But now it’s basically, “yeah you’re not wanted anymore, maybe you’re better off running away with your ex?” Also I don’t get the point of toys being free when all toys gave shown the most important thing that they care about is being played with. Also it’s depressing to see Woody give up and let his voice box and string removed all for nothing. Overall it’s like the writers didn’t watch the previous 3 films, Toy Story 4 is just another nostalgia cash grab from Disney and Disney will continue to make unnecessary sequels and remakes because they still make a lot money.

Hated toy story 4; Woody has always been loyal to staying with his group of friends, but in the 4th movie he is unwanted by Bonnie, has his voice box taken away then acts like it's okay, and leaves his friends. It was super depressing, and overall the movie felt like a side story. They should've stopped at Toy Story 3, it was a great movie that wrapped things up astoundingly

Remember, Satan was the first to advocate for equal rights.

Imagine Andy coming back to see Bonnie and see if she likes the toys still and then learning that his favorite toy and basically what helped him get through hard times and was possibly passed down by some family member wasn’t being played with and went missing. Ouch

I'm sorry, but I still just have trouble seeing this as about anything other than post-parenthood anxiety. But even so, these are sure some interesting interpretations!

I feel that you miss "disability" as a theme. Also (and not related), I have the theory that anyone who hugs Helen would feel mysteriously complete.

Your interpretations take me back to high school when I had to bs super deep sounding essays to get an A 🤣🤣🤣

What i Learn from Toy Story 4 is Loyalty, Fear of Abandonment, Let people make there own Choices, and Changing.

The fact that Gabby Gabby bribed woody into giving her his voice box annoys me but also shows how much of a great toy woody is 😅

The movie undoes everything that made the previous movies so special. Even the directors and producer themselves admit in the blu-ray commentary that they couldn't make sense of any of it and they just had to keep making stuff up because the writing and story contrivances were bad.

Toy Story 4 seems to have really inspired what feels like thousands of film analysis videos since it released at cinemas.

To be fair woodie could have left Andy but that would have made Andy crazy sad to loose Woody they’re just wasn’t a connection like that with Bonnie.

I was just thinking Helen hasn’t done a video in a while. Lo and behold

Woody gives up his inner voice to Gabby

I had no idea this movie had already come out.

1. Why do toys need to sleep? 2. Why does Buzz need his voicebox to make decisions? 3. Why does Gabby-Gabby get what she wants when she's the villain? 4. Why does Woody throw away his entire belief system over Bo Peep?

I think that, regardless if we think its deep or dump, we can all agree that Toy Story 4 like 1 is another stepping stone and amazing achievement in quality of animation!

This was a good video like always but placing it in the "deep or dumb" series was forced af.

I think it should be noted that in Paradise Lost that Satan is in fact the hero precisely because he embraces choice and his own wants, meaning that interpretations one and two are actually two sides of the same coin

Whenever it was deep or dumb, that rain was the most gorgeous rain I ever saw in a 3d movie.

Is Toy Story 4 a bad film? No. No it is not. But is it a bad Toy Story film? Yes. Absolutely.

I have given this movie three years to change my mind. Toy Story 4 came on television tonight and I still say the same thing I did in 2019: Toy Story 4 felt like a really good FANFICTION and should have NEVER been created. Every time I watch it, I feel like I'm hallucinating because I don't believe most of the dialogue and choices the toys I grew up with are making. The franchise should have stopped with TS3. Toy Story 3 was the perfect ending.

I hated it, I mean it looked beautiful, but I can pay a professional artiest to paint me a dumpster fire with extreme amount of skill and it would be about the same.

What if it is a cautionary tale about the dangers of unconditional love? Unconditional love is a beautiful concept on paper, but in practice it leaves you open to abuse and feeling worthless instead of leaving the relationship. You give yourself meaning by trying to be loved, but in the end you probably go away from the relationship and go love yourself.

Hellen is cool but we all love beardless Jared.

This felt like a “ on Stranger Tides” instalment as opposed to a “At worlds end” finish. Beware of “Dead Men Tell no Tales”.

So now on RU-vid there’s two ads at the start, the in video ad by the creator, and if it’s a long video anywhere from 3-5 additional ads? Really pushing that RU-vid Red I see.

0:28 Shrek Forever After is actually a great movie. Shrek The Third was a better example for that line.

hol up a minute. Shrek *3* is a cash grab. Shrek *4* is a redemption arc and is better than Shrek 1. fight me

It's almost surreal how you go from philosophical dilemas to wireless headphones ad. Not that I disapprove. It's just as if, say, a math teacher would end a lesson on differential equations with a paid speach about shampoo brand. Or may be it's just a side effect of The Outer Worlds overdose (btw, highly recomend). Anyway, nice episode!

This channel is becoming the "bad faith Sartre" club.

The movie teaches kids that no matter what wrong you do, you can still get away with it. Suicide is funny. Depression is funny. It's ok to abandon those you love without saying goodbye to start a life with someone you haven't known for years and who is now a completely different person who does nothing but demean, condescend, and control you. All of this is proven by the directors when they explain in the commentary that in order for them to convey a specific mood to illicit a particular response, they had to play music from the previous movies to invoke a feeling of nostalgia.

The only way this movie would've been better is if Woody somehow ended up in Japan You know why. Oh you know

I would have thought you would have said something about the way the film handles disability tbh. There's quite a lot in how Duke Kaboom and Gabby Gabby approach and think about their "defects" as opposed to the way Bo Peep deals with hers.

Your Bo interpretations glaze right over the fact that her story starts with HER being rejected. She doesnt make the **choice** to leave, and she doesn't **reject** others to leave. Shes a victim of her circumstance and she made the best out of being rejected or "turned into trash" herself.

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I dig theory nr 1 - the way you guys phrased it made more sense than the other 2

the first habit in the seven habits of highly effective people really came to mind in this video

why doesn't woody remember life before andy

0:31-0:34 you just triggered Schaffrillas Productions.

the wisecrack team must be a hivemind. They all read the same lines at the exact same pace etc. then there are lines like "now back to the show" "guys" etc.

Great video! The Rank interpretation fits nicely with the near constant emphasis in the film on parenthood. Best video from you guys in a long while. Keep it up!

Can we _please_ just for once, have a Deep or Dumb that doesn't define "deep" as "some stupid Satre quote".

My core issue here is Pixar's unwillingness to commit to making a real antagonist and the one they did have they refused to hold that antagonist accountable for her choices. The psycho doll terrorized the gang and likely many other toys yet gets a happy ending. The bear in #3 or Stinky Pete in #2 didn't get the same treatment. One was given to a little girl who will likely defile him until he gets trashed and the other was tied to the front of a truck to eat bugs for the foreseeable future. Instead, we get a villain who's able to hold our protagonist down, defile him, and take what is his under duress only for us all to then be Stockholmed into empathizing her for being rejected so we can then be happy for her happy ending. Kind of gives kids the impression that girls are above normal rules of accountability so long as they can play the victim card.

Woody is a 1950s toy. Hope they make Toy Story: Woody's Origins Would be a great film.

I cried like a little bitch when Gabby Gabby found her girl. I guess I relate to being unloved for years

Am I alone in thinking that Toy Story 4 was better than 3? I love them all but the ending of 3 hammed it up too much with Andy. Whereas Woody leaving the gang to be with Bo, felt more deserved in how much it piled on the schmaltz. I cried like baby I won't lie.

Raycon's Disclaimer: We're not turning you into Cybermen.

I'm planning to blog about this movie because it was so good. Very few people caught the themes on the level which you have covered here, and I think you are spot-on. I agree with the "children-as-gods" interpretation of this movie, rather than the "parenthood" angle--which is only truly present in the relationship between Woody and Forky, but is not a common theme among all the characters. Also, a lot of people were confused that Woody and Bo would help other toys find children when it is a life they left behind. As you point out, the different is *choice*, and in terms of a toy's life arch, Bo and Woody are in a much different "season of life" than most of the toys they are helping (including Gabby Gabby, who is "older", but never had the experience of having a child, so she is arrested in a sense). In my opinion, this is the best Toy Story in terms of theme.

I think you guys nailed the theme and message of the movie perfectly.

Finally someone else appreciates this film. All I ever hear about it is people whining about how perfect they thought Toy Story 3 was and that 4 should not have ever existed

Great video as always. I was reaaally attentive all the time, and was a bit disapointed that none of Keanu's sweet voice made the edit of this video. Still, it's balanced by the fact that Helen was our host this time.

It's a Disney movie, so of course the satanic interpretation is the right one. :P

Philosophy of “Parasite” the movie next please

How many times had this thumbnail changed? The title is the same but terrifying woody is what I clicked. Ohhh!!! The whole video is existential horror....ok.. imma sink in a hole.

I never even considered the existentialist interpretation of Duke Kaboom, but you’re right.

Wow... I didn't expect this to dig into the realm of psychology, but that made the video surprisingly interesting

"Clumsy cash grabs" (Shows shrek 4) *Time to start a crusade.*

One of the Toy Story short films explored something interesting. It explored the idea of kids losing interest in toys because they're too busy playing videogames.

Honestly I think the three interpretations are complementary: order, security or Thanatos, the will of death, is pretty much related to essence, God and the womb, while chaos, freedom and Eros, the will of life, is related to existence, Satan and the post-partum experience. Excellent video guys, I liked the movie but this made me love it.

thank you dear wisecrack creators for all these mind-blowing revelations.

Wisecrack: Toy Story 4: is it deep or is it dumb? FTC: we'll consult our legal department. RU-vid/Google:We're not going to pay the fine

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Omg Paradice lost but told from the POV of Toys 😂😂😂 That would be Amazing

Freud is largely considered bullship by modern psychology

Man, I think it would be so cool to see a pixar creator interpretation of this video