Toyota GR SUPRA v Porsche CAYMAN GTS v Lotus EMIRA: Endangered Sports Cars

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These three sports cars have a lot in common - each has a six-cylinder engine, a manual gearbox, and won't be around for much longer. But rather than cry about it, we thought we'd take these 'endangered' sports cars to Bedford Autodrome for a series of challenges, to see which is best while celebrating the different ways they go about things - we have two mid engined cars and one front engined, a supercharged V6, a naturally-aspirated flat-six and a turbocharged straight-six.
The question is, which one would you have?
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@bogdan12275 4 месяца назад

I hope you both ignore the mean comments coming your way. Just experiment with different type of content that can be achieved with the allocated budget you get from the company.

@MyRealName 4 месяца назад

They're great. Just get rid of the 2005 fifth gear slalom nonsense 😆

@totallyworksperfectly5424 4 месяца назад

Amount of subs they have lost - keeps going down

@guts7518 2 месяца назад

i mean a lot of supra owners move up to lotus's because of the engine is made by toyota.. and porshe is a close competitor to lotus... so this video does have an audience. I'm considering upgrading my supra and emira was what was suggested to me.

@totallyworksperfectly5424 2 месяца назад

@@guts7518 do you have a BMW Supra?

@guts7518 2 месяца назад

@@totallyworksperfectly5424 yes a bmw supra 😂

@Zim5.0 4 месяца назад

I don't get why people are upset about these two guys, this was a great comparison video and i enjoyed watching it, a breath of fresh air especially because most of the videos you see these days are drag races.

@TheFinePlayer 4 месяца назад

The problem isn't the content. The problem is that it's not the same people we came to love on this specific channel. Nothing they can do to fix that unfortunately. Best move imo would be for them to start another brand. Anything CT will forever be the OG group. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that CT wasn't about informative content, it was about fun. Which I've failed to find so far with this new pair. I've tried to watch a few vids but the jokes are so stale and screams "TV production script". OG group was where you got to feel at home and as if you were with just a group of friends, rather than people presence for the sake of it being their job.

@gwengo4167 4 месяца назад

The presenters are great. My only gripe is that they are reviewing and comparing cars that the majority of their audience will never be able to afford. Top Gear could get away with it as they had a bigger budget with better, more extravagant challenges with these cars and three well established presenters. I’ve tried with this channel, but unfortunately it’s just not cutting it 🫡

@RealErikHansen 2 месяца назад

Having owned a Cayman GTS and currently an Emira(v6, manual, sport suspension), I can say they are both fantastic cars. I've done multiple road trips, spent time on the track in both, and can say it's absolutely impossible to choose a best. IF an auto transmission is a factor for you, then the win goes to the Cayman with the PDK. The biggest negative to the Cayman is it's starting to show its age, but I'd be just as happy with a Cayman now as I am with the Emira. The Emira is the hands down winner in the looks department though.

@crazycjk 4 месяца назад

Perfect excuse to get three great sports cars out on the track! Your on-screen chemistry is getting better and better. Enjoyed this one, cheers lads.

@Drunken_Hamster 4 месяца назад

The V8 dying is one thing, but having LITERALLY only a 2L turbo 4 being available outside of super and/or hypercars is insane. As such, the "death" of the 6-cylinder sports car (or even in regular sedans) should be absolutely intolerable.

@cgtactical6619 4 месяца назад

But none of these 3 cars shown with a six cylinders are super/hyper cars. There are also plenty of six cylinder engines from the Germans

@Drunken_Hamster 4 месяца назад

@@cgtactical6619 Bruh. You have to be capable of following a timeline. My previous statement was partially predictive. This video calls these "Endangered Sports Cars," ergo implying that V6s will soon no longer be available in mere sports cars. Couple that with downsizing in general from 8+ cylinders to 6 or less across ALL cars, and you can reasonably propose that such a trend combined with "endangered" 6-cyl sports cars will ultimately end with us in a world where if you want more than 4-cylinders you'll have to purchase a supercar or higher.

@fabioribeiro5071 4 месяца назад

The fact that people accept the death of the V8 is the reason that they will use to eventually kill the 6 cylinder engines as well. People always accept what is forced on them in general. 🤷‍♂️

@BooTub3 4 месяца назад

@@fabioribeiro5071 I can guarantee no true car enthusiasts are accepting the fate of these ICE. These new toasters are being shoved down our throat. And to the OP’s second commenter.. They are indeed killing off affordable sports cars with a decent amount of liters 🥴 Let me see anyone pick up anyone of these cars for less than maybe 50k if that let alone buying this Porsche in the states would probably be an 80k+ car if not 100k+ easily specced out

@fabioribeiro5071 4 месяца назад

@@BooTub3 of course they don’t accept these freezers on wheels, but you have a lot of people that do and they do that because they want to show off their new car to the neighbors. That’s the society we are in unfortunately and it’s backfiring bad for manufacturers. At least some brands realize their mistakes and take a step back like mercedes with the amg models going back to V8 and Toyota along with mazda and subaru are getting back to the ice. But how far will others go and when they realize, there is no turning back.

@giovannifacci 4 месяца назад

These 718s with the manual box and the 4.0L n/a are going to be extremely sought after in the next few years. There is not really an equivalent. If you have the means get one and keep it.

@jacebeleren429 4 месяца назад

Guys.. 13:29 you have the Supra winning instead of the cayman. Guys… cmon… the basics

@jincho2224 4 месяца назад

I was about to say the same thing. 13:28 Supra won. Rigged

@alstound 4 месяца назад

@@jincho2224Porsche would have won if turbo.

@patrickstarr87 4 месяца назад

Porsche lovers 🙄

@jacebeleren429 4 месяца назад

@@patrickstarr87 I mean I do own a gts 4.0, but the point is that it is an actual error in the editing of the video, not a fanboy thing. Also Porsches are awesome. When did that even become a question? lol jfc, they are amazing cars.

@jezworld 4 месяца назад

Wow. This is pretty embarrassing. Doing an supposedly time orientated challenge video and stuffing up the stats. Oh dear. (Supra owner)

@Liamitis123 4 месяца назад

Emira Touring. Cant do a track comparo without the Sport.

@Primate2010 4 месяца назад

Great to see some proper test land the cars’ dynamics and handling and not just drag races!

@DrBingusCheeseburger 4 месяца назад

Hey guys, good vid, didn’t realise there were cyber security laws for cars.

@bitkarek 4 месяца назад

honestly i would like to know what is so unfixable on the porsche.

@iainjohnston4929 4 месяца назад

Had me checking the date….late April 1st? Pull the SIM card out and boom cyber secure.

@LARG_E 4 месяца назад

Honestly this was the first video by the new guys that hooked me to the video. Im slowly warming up to the boys lol. Keep it up guys!!

@instrugramm 4 месяца назад

Good video, but you shouldn't be surprised by the Emira's softness on turn in if you drive one with the Touring setup. (compared to the Sport setup: different geometry, softer dampers/springs and Goodyear Street tires instead of Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s).

@IrugaZERO 4 месяца назад

Yeah I noticed it running the Goodyear, which tends to mean that the Emira has been spec'd with the touring pack and not the sports pack.

@simonhughes7382 4 месяца назад

Annoys me how people know exactly what bolts a Porsche has on spec but no one has a clue about Lotus who bother to spec cars really well and they still end up using the wrong one..

@RealErikHansen 2 месяца назад

@@IrugaZERO Actually you can't use the tire type as an indicator. In the US, some sports chassis' were delivered with Goodyears. I bought one of them.

@Driv300mph 4 месяца назад

Question -- the Emira looks to be on the Goodyear tires. Is it on Sport suspension or Touring?

@Blas4ublasphemy 4 месяца назад

I was just gonna ask this too!

@dfang888 4 месяца назад

You're right! Why did they not acquire an Emira with Sport suspension and bespoke Cup 2 tires? Makes a big difference.

@62Sketch 4 месяца назад

@@dfang888 Is the Supra on the stock Super Sports?

@ms8742 3 месяца назад

@@dfang888 If you look at numerous Emira reviews with sport suspension, no one likes it. Too harsh. I have the touring suspension and it is great all around.

@apb3251 3 месяца назад

@@ms8742but the point is on the track the Emira on sports chassis and suspension would be stiffer and therefore the issue the driver faced would not be the same. The Porsche has adjustable dampers which gives it an advantage in this type of test if the reviewer is using the wrong car on a track comparison

@chriswaggett163 4 месяца назад

Classic illustration of bias; an "objective test" gives a score, and you want the Porsche anyway! As a Lotus Evora 400, 5-year owner, I get it; the badge, the build, the performance, the PRICE (when optioning a Porsche), but drive a Lotus and you get ride and handling subtlety and finesse that the brutish Posche can only dream of. Subjectively speaking of course......

@alstound 4 месяца назад

The Toyota has a BMW engine. The Lotus has a Toyota engine. The Porsche looks like a (Toyota) MR2. Go figure!

@KikuraKun 4 месяца назад

At least they try to survive those cars. Without any cooperation from other manufacturers, those will fade from existence in few years. We wouldn't see those sports cars with more than 4 cylinders. Manufacturers will start investing for electrification. Dodge Charger had gone EV. Nissan will go China-first rather than being a JDM. Anything goes. (Also, them sharing some platforms? Those aren't the first time we've seen them lol, and wouldn't be the last.)

@speedwobble5383 4 месяца назад

Owned our Supra 3.0 for two months now. Every drive feels like an event. I love the way it looks and more importantly the way it drives. The engine is an absolute peach and the zf auto in our car is a joy to use. The other two cars in this test are lovely machines but they are almost twice the price to buy and the Supra's reliability and running costs will absolutely destroy both. You get what you pay for but i wouldnt swap my Supra for either of these cars, long term.

@jezworld 4 месяца назад

Owned my 2019 for 3 years. Agreed on every point you've made and I've had Porkers too.

@davidsparavec8996 3 месяца назад

And then you woke up and you were all wet. Your Supra would only "destroy" either of these 2 cars if it were in one of your dreams.

@crestofr 3 месяца назад

@@davidsparavec8996he said the supras reliability and running costs destroy both

@X50505 2 месяца назад

@@crestofr What reliability? I don't hear people praising BMW for their reliability. The "Supra" isn't even a Supra. It's a joke compared to what the MKIV was in the 90s. I see a lot of MKVs getting around and always assume the owner's don't know all that much about cars.

@akeel2576 3 дня назад

@@X50505well right now it seems the only good turbo engine in a Toyota is a BMW one so I think they are doing just fine

@TheHesK9 3 месяца назад

That Emira definitely has the touring suspension as well. Would've been even better with sports suspension and cup 2s

@Nick-hz2kl 4 месяца назад

Supra all day . That Emira is beautiful though

@X50505 2 месяца назад

The worst car all day? Just say you can't afford anything better and be gone.

@Yggdrasill8 11 дней назад

I have a supra gr, I don't like that it has fake vents and that it is made from BMW, which makes me not sure if I want to keep it long term. If I could choose any car from the 3 it would be the Emira, but I heard servicing for that car can be a nightmare for every part but the Supercharged Toyota Camry engine. I know the Porsche drives like a dream, but I never liked the design of it. The Emira is definitely beautiful, I just hate getting attention though.

@Nick-hz2kl 11 дней назад

@@Yggdrasill8 I love the fact the Supra is a BMW . BMW makes the best production cars besides Porsche . As for the fake vents , I don’t even notice them . I would never buy a Toyota , I’m not a fan of their lineup.

@Coolcooldude103 4 месяца назад

Damn the lotus emira visual design absolutely stomps the other 2 cars

@andomapletoft6509 4 месяца назад

Absolutely The Emira is one of the best looking modern cars and I don't like the looks of most modern cars especially how they butchered the Supra no chance it was following in the mk4 footsteps😂

@DirtyI30N 4 месяца назад

So many negative comments and I don't understand. Fair enough car throttle isn't what it used to be. But now the previous presenters have left, we've ended up with 3 more channels to watch. I'm not complaining and I'll still watch car throttle because why not?

@DirtyI30N 4 месяца назад

@youtube2kwatcher exactly. Fair enough it isn't the same as it used to be. It's just different. I'm not complaining about more to watch.

@gabutman6144 2 месяца назад

What happened to the old presenters?

@foxyobrown 4 месяца назад

Please elaborate if the Lotus was on Touring or on Sport Suspension!! Thanks

@gj2772 4 месяца назад

That was a really good episode, more like this pls, can we see something similar with older beasts like gtrs, p1s... dare I say - get in a cossie for us?

@Fact_Check77 4 месяца назад

Your hotlaps score had the supra and cayman times swopped around no?

@DanPyjamas 4 месяца назад

Awesome vid chaps. I'd have the GTS

@eag8999 4 месяца назад

3 cars representing 5 brands. The Lotus is more Toyota than the Toyota which is BMW. Lol, that said, these are all fantastic modern sports cars. I’d take all three of these over 95%+ of modern “performance” cars.

@retsehcnamdetinu1672 4 месяца назад

Name the 5 brands 🧐

@Mark-rt6fy 4 месяца назад

@@retsehcnamdetinu1672geely lotus bmw toyota porsche

@NovusMaximus 3 месяца назад

Typo at 16:32 on the table of hot lap results. The Cayman won it.

@camryt 4 месяца назад

Alex can drive! But we knew that from Camber and Combustion glory days :3 Great vid, keep it up

@Drifty325i 4 месяца назад

Lotus looks so much more exotic, way better looking than the Cayman too, engine in the Cayman is epic though, i think i would still take the Lotus

@TheToastPeople 4 месяца назад

Tonight on Top Gear. the new lads try to hold together a sinking ship

@jafooli 4 месяца назад

This is a good format. Drag races are boring now. 0-60 times are over rated and probably the reason why a lot of manufacturers are putting in unnecessary 4 wheel drive systems. Would be cool to test some older supercars with this format, like 458, hurracan, 570s etc

@abubakarsohail9994 4 месяца назад

Good going guys like the way ou all are going. You deserve more veiws. Keep it like this

@62Sketch 4 месяца назад

Great video guys. Basically, the cars are very evenly matched. Biggest difference is one is 60K and the other 2 you wont get under 100K.

@Bobitrust95 4 месяца назад

I would take the Emira any day 🫡 (unless if it was a GT4/GT4-RS).

@ethangoldwyre 4 месяца назад

the cayman has been a dream car for so long, to hear it's going is gutting

@Greig300 4 месяца назад

TIME IS TICKING FOR THIS CHANNEL

@Fact_Check77 4 месяца назад

This is pretty good actually, no faffing around, quick to get going and chemistry building!

@rainerhallmann3952 4 месяца назад

Best type of cars do drive. 6zyl. manual and power to the back. Same concept, many years older my ride, a TVR M Series with the added benefit of lightness (but traded of corse with much less power)

@jezworld 4 месяца назад

Think the production team needs to review the scores and reedit the totals...

@waynepurcell6058 3 месяца назад

I'd love to own a Emira or Cayman. As far as I'm concerned, they are two of the most beautiful modern cars ever produced. I absolutely love the Emira's looks, it may be the most perfect aesthetics ever, and the Cayman just has such a smooth classic look melded with modern. Both designs were knocked out of the park. I'd take an Emira with a hamster on a wheel engine just for the looks alone.

@Slowster 4 месяца назад

Fun video. Interesting comment on the Emira steering. I agree, but that seemed to have upset quite a few people who argue the Emira has a hydraulic rack and should be superior to all electric ones

@BoostedAP1 2 месяца назад

Just me or did you guys mess up the times? How did this pass editor without notice. 😅

@chartreux8673 3 месяца назад

Many people feel like they own a car just by watching it on RU-vid, but to really compare fairly you have to take the price into account. It was a great comparison test, but it seems a bit unfair.

@lewishart2123 4 месяца назад

I like this pair ……. people need to give them a chance

@BoostedAP1 Месяц назад

How did this make it past editing with the Emira and Supra times swapped. 😅

@johnnyresistance 4 месяца назад

great vid. cayman gts the ultimate daily + weekend warrior

@patricsteele 4 месяца назад

Fun comparison ! Did that Emira come ordered with the touring tuned suspension or the sport tuned ?

@ThomasJones02 4 месяца назад

If it was touring that could certainly explain it!

@Rex_Racer 4 месяца назад

Agreed- for a track only test, they should have spec’d sport. If it had been a road test, the Touring would have shined.

@smashabocks17 4 месяца назад

ignore the hate, the presenting skills are amazing

@Dubb1000 4 месяца назад

This geezer is a solid driver!

@alechall7082 4 месяца назад

Geezer? They're, what, 30? Am I a geezer?! Noooo, hopefully in the UK it doesn't mean "old man"

@albertlira7443 4 месяца назад

What a beautiful sound from all three of these cars

@Howsmekowdendan 4 месяца назад

Came back after a long time and subscribed❤

@jezebulls 27 дней назад

Man I wish we can have the N/A flat-six in the Emira.

@DOITJUST23 2 месяца назад

The Lotus Emira is so pretty and looks like a super car. Sadly it’s more Toyota than the Supra but still love the Supra.

@paultune1696 4 месяца назад

No idea what all the negative comments are on about, I thought it was an excellent review, just a shame that you didn't have an Emira with sports suspension, I think that would have been very close to the Cayman's time, whilst also absolutely obliterating it in the looks department, it is a truly stunning car.

@EdMur12 4 месяца назад

Amazing vid guys, loved it. I don’t know why but I’m so biased towards the supra

@theessexracer 4 месяца назад

This is seriously good content. Let’s go

@ms8742 3 месяца назад

I have the Lotus. If looks was a category, it would kill the other two. Every week I get people asking about it, if they can take a picture, etc. Anyway. they are all very good cars.

@sampayne9663 4 месяца назад

Need the Emira with a Sport suspension. Would be a lot different on track

@ThomasJones02 4 месяца назад

Really enjoyed this guys! Which track was this filmed at?

@Hapkin 2 месяца назад

Fatal methodology flaw. You picked a tour spec. Should have picked the sport which has significantly stiffer damping, 5% stiffer springs, standard mechanical limited slip diff, and most have Michelin Cup 2's instead of the more numb /soft Goodyear's. I love my Sport spec manual FE Emira

@twin2civicgaraget2cg75 4 месяца назад

Really good video... like others have said... older cars would be cool to see too

@jbmectronic4314 4 месяца назад

Well, if the market aint there what for the manufacters to do, even real drivers is a dying breed 😂

@TheHoonster 4 месяца назад

I wish u guys the best, I’m sure you guys are great but the channel is not the same without all the other guys, I’m sorry it’s just not, it’s like top gear, it started dying for a reason, good luck

@PeteAnda 4 месяца назад

Much better video than dull automatic drag races, thanks. Lotus supports British skilled jobs, such as shame it’s all over for Norfolk. VW win, their founders would be proud. Why did you test a touring spec lotus on a track?

@foxyobrown 4 месяца назад

How do you know ita the touring spec?

@PeteAnda 4 месяца назад

@@foxyobrown tires

@foxyobrown 4 месяца назад

@@PeteAnda sport susp can be specced with goodyear tires from factory. A lot of people spec it this way since they dont track the car.

@PeteAnda 4 месяца назад

@@foxyobrown what is wrong with asking the question. You don’t know and I don’t know what spec it is.

@foxyobrown 4 месяца назад

@@PeteAnda well I asked the same question and they didnt answer. Doesnt look like they care. Nope, I will get an emira, nonetheless your assumption, that goodyears mean touring is wrong. I do hope the car did have the touring option though

@HelloFellowDinosaurs 4 месяца назад

3:50 I know the old “it’s just a Camry engine” thing with lotuses used to be a thing. But if you actually saw how much that engine isn’t like a Camry engine, you’d realise it’s just wrong. Over 80% of that engine has nothing in common with a Camry, just because it originated as that engine, it’s been a decade and a half since, the engine is so different now, it just happens to be a V6. It’s as different to a stock Camry engine as it is to the GTR R35 Engine

@Bazuzeus 3 месяца назад

Lotus do have a Toyota engine Toyota do have a BMW engine I'm quite surprised the Porsche do have a Porsche engine 😁

@geoffwatches 4 месяца назад

Great video lads

@MikeForsythe 4 месяца назад

Love all 3

@ImranIsak 4 месяца назад

NGL, Great vid!

@olegpopov3868 4 месяца назад

Agreed!

@DSCMBOBULTD 4 месяца назад

Elaborate on the cyber security issue?

@petripuoli-honka764 4 месяца назад

Google EU cybersecurity laws Porsche Boxster

@DSCMBOBULTD 4 месяца назад

@@petripuoli-honka764 I have but they shouldn't have just glossed over that part 😅

@robc8892 4 месяца назад

Good work lads

@Jaeguso 4 месяца назад

whats crazy is one of those cars is a toyota but doesnt have a toyota engine while the other isnt but has a toyota engine LOL.

@R19Robbin 4 месяца назад

The Emira is such a sick car 🔥🔥

@jamalcruz9967 4 месяца назад

Love to drive any of them

@billshoe22191 4 месяца назад

Loved this episode. Keep up the great work!

@simonbussey7530 4 месяца назад

The car they want to drive home in shows the real Winner.

@jaypearce4314 4 месяца назад

Car throttle won't see the end of the year, and if it does, someone, somewhere is loosing lots of money.

@TommyGames97 4 месяца назад

How long before these leave and set up a new channel ?

@MrLense 4 месяца назад

mate stop hating. They cleared up what happened in their last video. Just enjoy that we have more Uk cartubers to enjoy.

@walidyasin2039 Месяц назад

But the Surpa is about half the price of the cayman gts. And the Supra is a much better looking car too

@davidsparavec8996 3 месяца назад

Really? I just had the emira serviced. Cost me $290.

@yapira3d 4 месяца назад

Nice little vid there 🙌 thanks for that

@johnob1824 3 месяца назад

naaa...porshe all the way..na engine, others turbo or super charged...

@drzoidbergmd3200 4 месяца назад

Good video - glad it wasnt a tedious drag race

@navodeepdeka1042 4 месяца назад

Supra - idk people think so much about image that car makes. Come on what's problem with a BMW engine in a toyota unless it pulls strong. Lotus - A car with toyota engine is most reliable thing brands can offer. But soon there is going to a overhyped AMG engine version. Porsche - might be the best porsche, comparing with newer 911's which are so overpriced

@captainashcam 4 месяца назад

Seriously impressive driving. More of these track comparisons please!

@oldskool1234 4 месяца назад

Some advice, just let alex do the driving, makes the video more entertaining.

@ngkeong3387 26 дней назад

Porsche gts is the proven car. I have 911 gts and 718 gts. I'd choose 718 gts and never sell them ever

@d.b.cooper1 4 месяца назад

good stuff chaps

@bitkarek 4 месяца назад

looks like you can make different content than just buy shit cars ;)

@andreaskomodromos1349 4 месяца назад

Porsche 👑

@shaneeardley5269 4 месяца назад

3.09 million subs, and 38k views? How the mighty have fallen

@verde629 4 месяца назад

For the price point the Supra is impress

@florian_montuzet 3 месяца назад

I have unsubscribed this channel years ago cause it was becoming a car purchase channel which wasn't for me. Now there is Alex from C&C driving like a maniac. I'm in !

@ultimablackmage 4 месяца назад

I'd take the Lotus. I love Lotus

@zacreynolds2524 4 месяца назад

to be honest i like these new guys more, and i liked the video keep going!

@elcasho 4 месяца назад

Good show!

@TobiasRieperGER 4 месяца назад

You compare 3 different engines... Yes great, but you forgot something.... The kind of vehicle. The Supra is a Gran Turismo. the other two are sport / super sport cars. This is comparing a bodybuilder with a marathon runner and a sprinter. They all have a similar heart, but their weight etc are different....

@jezworld 4 месяца назад

You know they are all similar weights right? Supra now is not really a GT but a 2 seater like the other two.