Toyota GR86 Long Term Update and Changes 

Mark blowing away the budget on fine dining

Don't worry about video length Jack! I am soaking up every second of this as I am looking at similar mods/track duties.

Cannot express how grateful I am for the technical info. I've bought 2 cars based on their reviews. I think this will be my third. No one does reviews better than Jack and Mr.Goose

Commenting for the algo, great job Jack! Even though I’m not in the market for one of these, its such a treat to have you guys do a long term owner breakdown video like this. Alot of good information and insights, especially the track segment chat w Casey. I can see alot of first time buyers and trackday rookies getting benefit from this series. Great stuff as always!

I love the way you guys point out the weak points of the car as well as the strong points. I am very interested in getting one of these and It really helps to get a well rounded overview..... Thanks!

You guys and this channel kick ass. Subs may be slow to be where we all know they should be at, but people will be digging through all this content until the sun turns it off ;)

Longer content is my jam from bomb creators like you my homie.

“At Red Lobster enjoying an Admiral’s Feast” 🤣🤣👍‼️‼️

Gosh, I much prefer when channels review cars while also considering common and relatively affordable modifications. Sometimes the stock car needs just a little aftermarket help to really shine; ignoring that fact is often a disservice to any comparison. Thanks and keep it up!

Very impressive video. I am glad you have shared this with us. I am excited to see what changes in the next installment video. Good luck and have fun sir.

Those Apex wheels are beautiful on this car

Nice update video. I really liked Britt's involvement in discussing the car. Excited to see how this car (project) evolves and how you enjoy it.

Great stuff guys! So excited to be a part of this build series and to have more offerings for this chassis soon. Impressive car for the money and even better with choice modifications!

Very excited to see you guys start modding this thing. It's a bit lower on power than I'd like but I am toying around with the idea of getting one as a daily

Amazing job you guys, I love the long in depth videos such as these they’re great to watch!

Thank you so much for your videos, definately one of my favourite channels. Im always invigorated in my passion for sports cars and driving after watching your channel Im looking forward to more GR86 content

Thanks a lot for doing these in-depth updates on this platform!

I love sensible wheel sizes with a good amount of side wall on it. It just looks meaty and serious.

Love this serie, keep pushing!

Great detailed review. I appreciate the longer video length. Thanks for pointing out the short comings as well as the positives!

"we keep getting crappy fuel mileage!' *proceeds to peel around every corner and stomps the pedal when taking off from a stop. lol. gee I hope you figure it out...

I had a car that did 250 miles per tank, if you use it for traveling and long term, the frequent fill ups do get annoying. Not a deal breaker for some but something to consider. Depending on how it's being used, the car does give you alot.

Lot of value in this video for us Brits patiently waiting for ours to arrive. Thank you

excellent vid and very informative. Look forward to the next vids on the GR86.

If you're going to get a dedicated track wheel/tire combo, the base model 17" wheels with all-seasons seems like a huge cost saver. Even if they don't get better fuel economy, they're cheaper and should last 50% longer than the PS4s.

I'm really surprised it's so thirsty. Allowing for the conversion from US gallons to imperial gallons, that's within a few per cent of the fuel consumption I get in similar-speed mixed running from my 1990 300hp Porsche 944 Turbo. And that's a low compression two-valve engine with a second-generation mahoosive turbo on it.

Good stuff, very informative! Looking forward to the next episode

Awesome video loaded with information. Looking forward to the next one on mods and impact on daily drive.

Thank you for 5k/6k mile update. I am picking up my Neptune Blue GR86 Premium in two weeks. Got it at MSRP thankfully (502 miles away though so road trip).

Great video, I always liked the GR86, I couldn’t justify buying one though. The car looks great Jack. The small upgrades seems beneficial to what you are trying to achieve, I definitely wanna see more of this build. I appreciate this.

Fantastic fantastic content! Any video you guys release on the GR86 is a video I immediately click on and like.

+1 don't worry about length. Good video thanks. Look forward to more on the GR86.

@Jack, for the steering I'd recommend the Perrin lockout kit. There is also a steering caster bushing correction kit that should make a difference. I'm following your build keenly and glad you are not seeing a need for an oil cooler yet.

Very informative. The low fuel economy is a bit confusing though, because quite a few reviewers have gotten mpg approaching that of previous gen. One reported getting close to 35 at ~80 mph, albeit on BRZ. Not sure if the wider wheels and stickier tires had an impact.

You guys make the best content. Thank you! Don’t change

Excellent video as always, thank you guys.

You can try bumping your hood latch down a smidge and moving your adjustable hood stoppers upward to help mitigate some of your hood flutter. It will make the hood sit tighter against the stoppers. Might change your fit and finish some, but that's the tradeoff.

I'm a little over 1000 miles on mine. Even with hot-rodding around, I'm getting 30+ mpg average in a MT which is better than list; I typically drive 9 over. My biggest annoyances are how the doors lock/unlock, fake engine sound, seat belt chime, and apple play vs spotify...all very minor things. I live in the mountains and am surrounded by winding mountain passes and canyons.. I love this car, can't wait to get it to the track, and for the ecu to get unlocked so I can go FI. It's made driving fun for me again.

Great video Jack! Looking forward for the next check in.

Great video as is, I enjoyed this video, you guys dissected the GR86 and explained in detail the upcoming and downfalls of this car. Im Toyota 86 owner myself , I always enjoy others giving insight on improving the car , even now im slows but surely Building my 86 to my own vision. simple street car with edge. that's just me, im spirited Driver , never tracked before but I would love 2 one day.this video was Great in over 20min, make them all like that, I never get tired of watching these .

It looks amazing in that colour and with the aftermarket wheels

Song is "Night Stalker" by Wave Saver for anyone curious. One of my all time favorite tracks.

Fabulous video Jack. I love the car and what you've done to it.

Wow awesome review!

Hey SG, another excellent video! Really shocked about highway mpg. Also, are those Apex wheels + RS4s what you're daily driving the car on? Or just the track only set?

I’ve had my GR86 since February, and my experience is much like Jack’s. I took my car stock to the track and boiled over the fluid shortly before the pads faded away. The hood flutter for me is violent at 114mph, but I’ve seen that figure fluctuate between 80 to 120 within the community. There’s also an annoying issue with the buffeting at highway speeds. Also, The aftermarket is still really expensive and limited, but I’m waiting for ohlins to release our generation specific shocks because I think the car badly needs a good strut.

Thank you for being so thorough!

This project is coming together beautifully!

I have a gen 1 86 and the funny thing about the MPG is for my car, I wanted extra power. So I've done headers and other bolts ons and had it tuned for e-85. And now, I'm around 200ish whp (haven't had it dynoed, just going off other ppl that have my exact same setup), which is pretty similar to gen 2, and I also get around 23-24MPG overall now. I definitely think it's worth it.

Been getting 27mpg in my GR86, 90% highway. No complaints here.

Great video! Looking forward to the future videos of this car

Very informative and open video. Thanks for showing this and talking about it.

Love the content, this has to be the most regular people automotive Chanel of all RU-vid

Shout out Autobahn Country club for supporting the channel! Would love to see them launch in the UK. I think we're ready for it

Great vid looking forward to the next one!

Thanks for the update! I hope I can find one to test drive sometime soon....

Just did my GR/NASA HPDE at Summit Point Main this weekend. I had Ferodo DS2500 pads and Castrol SRF fluid and experienced no fade going pretty hard and engaging ABS several times (running 540TW UHP All-Season tires); it was a hot day with peak ambient temps in the 90s. I talked to one of the other GR86 drivers in the group who ran fully stock brakes, and he experienced fade towards the end of the day despite not abusing his brakes quite as much as I was to begin with. Another GR86 driver, unfortunately, blew his engine after a single lap, and we don't yet know if it will be covered by warranty. Definitely 100% worth doing pads and fluid as Jack said, as well as getting track insurance (Lockton was about $200 for me, Hagerty quoted about double). The extra expense provided safety and peace of mind, on top of getting full advantage of having an instructor coach me towards the limit, practicing threshold braking. The "free" track day ended up costing almost $1k, but it was well worth it to rekindle the love of driving that DC metropolitan traffic has been eroding for the past several years. Still surprised that Toyota, of all companies, was the one to kick start my new money pit of a hobby. I gotta say, I love what Akio Toyoda has done with the place! UPDATE: Dealer service says it was a mis-shift/over rev that killed the engine; but the log reads what appears to be a successful shift from 3rd to 4th, followed by a spike to 10k RPM somehow.

Can you discuss how you approached the break-in period, as well as oil change intervals/oil weights with track use?

Been waiting on this!

Good work guys. I have got used to the indicator thing and now quite like it :)

Three months in, my GR86 already has a dented hood because of a rock on the highway hitting the light aluminum hood and rock chips in the front because the paint is paper thin. I haven't got hood flutter over 75 mph but the stupid turn signal stock does glitch out from time to time making my turn signals take on weird timings. When my break in period was done and I needed an oil change (free that comes with the car, my local Toyota dealer didn't have the necessary parts so I had to go to my local Subaru dealer and pay them for an oil change. Finally, the primacy tires have trouble keeping grip even on a dry road with the increased power so I really need to save up for winter tires because I know the primacy tires won't be able to handle snow at all.

Love seeing this update even if I have the first gen version!

Love to hear an update on the GR86. I have been on a list to buy one for 6 months. Finally got the call this weekend they have a build date. So stoked.

amazing work as always

I second Jack's complaint about fuel economy. I was starting to seriously consider the 86 a Miata competitor for my next car, but the poor fuel mileage given the engine size, power, and weight of the 86 made it clear to me again that Miata Is Always The Answer.

Coil overs and a full exhaust will be my first two upgrades.

I've been waiting for this

Valuable video, thx boys

Another point about the fuel efficiency of the 86/BRZ twins, is that theses cars, like so many small displacement sports cars, require premium fuel to operate fully to their potential. So go ahead and add another roughly 30% or more in fuel costs than a "normal" car, which places them near pickup truck territory.

For comparison sake: a 2019 Type R with 77k miles is capable of 24.6MPG average, and 29-33mpg on the highway depending on conditions at 75-80mpg. Anyway, love to see what You’ve done with this GR86. It’s giving me ideas.

Your suggestion regarding the stereo system was SPOT ON! I have the base model BRZ and by turning off all the digital enhancements and keeping all the other settings flat the base stereo is quite fine. Anyway much much better than with the various “enhancements”

Thank you for this.

This car is all around such a good driver’s car at least in the manual configuration. I’m telling everybody I know to consider this above a Miata below a supra and below a Z car. Having driven them all my choice would be the GR 86

Is it going to be a typical subie boxer engine with ringland failure as soon as you push the power?

Love the work lads

I came here just to broaden my knowledge base on the GR 86 platform. I left with a positive upgrade path for my street and track car: those very wheels and tires! 🙌 ❤ Thank you for all the hard work and time you guys put into these videos. 🙏 -Mk7 GTI track hound and German car lover

MPG on my last fill up was 20.6 MPG 80% city, calculated miles driven/amount of gas. The digital info readout seems 2-3 miles on the generous side. It's a 2022 BRZ Limited 6MT driven 60% of time with fuel economy in mind (short shifting).

I realize that the car was not about MPG to begin with but it's a bit unfortunate that it has such underwhelming fuel economy considering the power output. Also good to see CSG mentioned- I've gotten a lot of help from Mike a few yrs ago when I was still interested in modifying cars :)

Looking forward to the next installment of this series. Keep giving us updates please.

So looking forward to the next video!

If there's some of you guys that have some mechanical DIY ability that want this car, but can't afford it or don't want payments, check out the 128i with a manual. Get sport seats as well if you can. Yes you will need to do some maintenance and it will need more of it down the road. But for 1/4 the price, you get a fairly reliable inline 6 that actually sounds good, gets better MPG than the 86, and has lots of cheap brake and handling options from other BMWs, and with headers it sounds 1000x better the 86, and with 3 stage manifold and tune it's probably faster. Not only that, but it uses actual hydraulic steering and the feel is amazing.

Even though I ordered a Camaro SS 1LE for the track, I will still be following this series closely. I really enjoy these types of vids, and this channels in-depth analysis and delivery will be fantastic. PS - try to find a SS 1LE around you, it's not as crazy as a ZL-1, but it's been called a "cheater car" in SCCA clubs for a reason supposedly. And if you throw better tires on it, it's even more incredible naturally, but it starts doing some insane times. And it's suspension, NA power, greats shifting trans, chassis, and just enough power makes it very usable.

Y’all some of the best in the biz man.

Looking forward to this build series!

This is great and the GR86 is one of the cars on my track day/weekend list of potential buys (once we're into the depths of recession of course) I know tier lists aren't really your thing, but a track day/weekend sports car tier list would be helpful. I am especially curious if stepping up in price will make for a better car or using the same money on upgrades. ie. Tier examples on my list. GR86/ND2 or Golf R/GR Corolla/Type R or Supra/Nissan Z or Entry Porsche/Vette. Obviously a huge range here, but where is the money worth the upgrade and where is it better to spend on aftermarket upgrades.

Do you mind commenting on rev hang and throttle response? Some members of the GR86 forums swear the rev hang is a massive detractor from the enjoyment of the car, while others swear they hadn't noticed any rev hang. I assume the reality is somewhere in between. What are your thoughts?

goated channel; love you guys!

Man I've been watching all of your videos! For years amazing content. if I can ask for something it's only some night shots interior & exterior lights.

wow. It actually sounds like an engine now. Admittedly, just a middling 4Cyl from the 90's that isn't Vtec, but still better than a knockoff dyson.

SavageGeese 50th Anniversary video Blueray set release is going to have Kodak moments like 6:46 snuck in.

Britt Casey is a great addition to the video! Looking forward to more from you guys!

Great video, appreciated 👍

My 3.4L Flat six Cayman GTS does 35 mpg in the highway.

I have the auto, it’s taller gearing definitely helps for the road trip mileage. If I am cruising at 80-85 I get about 29-30. 55-65 I’m almost at 40 mpg.

love ya work

glad to see this car getting the attention it deserves. keep this segment alive!

MPG is pretty despicable for a NA 4cyl, especially with only 228Hp. Hopefully Subaru will introduce an updated motor sooner than later.

I was about to go to bed (in Australia) but guess not yet!!

Great video thank you

looking forward to the next episode!