Know what? You get what you pay for. Toyota’s pricing is no worse and in most cases they have superior reliability, buy what you want but don’t come around bitching because it’s not a Toyota
@@markvincent5992Toyota and Honda prices are ridiculous. If i’m going to spend that much on an “affordable car” I might as well spend slightly more to get a semi luxury car. That’s the truth. These are supposed to be affordable and reliable. No longer affordable and not nearly as reliable as they used to make them.
I'm sure it isn't as reliable as the standard 4 cylinder. Anything with a turbo is going to have more wear and tear than non turbo. It's still probably more reliable than 99% of other cars because it is still a Toyota. But $50K for a Corolla is just ridiculous.
A tiny 3 cylinder engine with a "Massive" turbo on it is definitely not going to be as reliable as a normal Toyota. It's a good thing they put a manual transmission in it as well, because that monster would wear out a CVT in no time.
@Michael-uc2pn the turbo is definitely not massive. 300HP is not a lot, even for a well tuned, built 1.6L 3 cylinder without a turbo (if you know how to build amd tune motors). But I don't disagree that any significant added pressure in the heads will prematurely wear a motor out compared to not having one.
maybe what you didn't notice is that it doesn't cost them any more to make look cool to distract you from the measurable decrease in quality that people are complaining about
I'm a mechanic and my tow truck drivers are telling me these Toyota are 75% of their buissness. They sed to build reliable cars but now that doesn't matter, looks like I'm going to see more of these in the shop
But if you haven’t seen it then sounds like 75% is a stretch. I wonder how all these people see 75% of newer toyotas and 25% every single other manufacturer. IG other manufacturers finally died out & only toyotas are left huh
@@Pamlicojdjdj1487 really? odd the warranty reports and reliability reports say the complete opposite to what your stating, show the stats or otherwise your just another person with an opinion
It’s great, but like all the hot performance -small sedans, it’s too expensive to fulfill its primary function of economical transportation. I want fun to drive, but also sensible. I don’t need racetrack performance.
No matter what statistics you look at, that is not true. Bmw and porsche are about the same reliability in datasets for the US. Right there with mazda in multiple studies. In other studies bmw is placed 3 or 6. And here in germany noone thinks that. How come ? But you guys in the us say the same about audi meanwhile I am driving my 285k km s3 with no problems. Before a 180k km A6. Before that a 230k km bmw. Little to no problems with any of the cars. And my neighbours think the same. So I believe you guys don't service and maintain the vehicles right. But that is just my believe. Yours doesn't add up with statistics tho.
Unfortunately most people don’t realize, a turbo drastically reduces the life and overall long term functionality of their motor (so expensive repairs). Especially for kids who drive their card hard because they think their “Fast and the Furious” due to a turbocharger on their car.
Obviously you don't know that modern production turbo engines are designed to take boost. The ones that blow up are from bad tunes when they are modified or being pushed past what they are designed for, unless it's a Subaru, but then it doesn't matter if it is turbo or not, it will blow up.
You say that like it's a bad thing! I had a Neon. Lemme tell you, I wouldn't drive another Chrysler vehicle if they paid for it, threw in my tags, title and insurance and bought all of my gas for the lifetime of the car!! Been there, done that and have a 2" ring binder full of car repair receipts to prove it!!
Thank you for bringing this to light. As a Loyal Toyota customer of 10 years, I think I deserve a free GR Corolla for the 250k miles that I put on my base model Corolla
Wider then kim kardasian😂😂😂 Occasionally Toyota loses its mind...and that's good. Toyota is the quiet sober guy that sometimes gets influenced to go to a night club.and lets loose..hahaha
@@naveenthemachinei'd still bet that toyota is still superior compared to all these other brands in terms of reliability nowadays, even if it may not be by a huge margin
Toyota has read the tea leafs. Most all other auto manufacturers are bailing out on performance. Toyota is the 1st manufacturer to release a high performance 3cylinder in US.
They're just going back to their roots, You have to remember the heyday when they had the Supra, the MR2, the Celica, the ae86, 2000gt, and don't forget they make some nice Lexus vehicles like the IS series, the LFA, and a laundry list of amazing trucks.
I remember when Toyota motors were allowed at the Indy 500; Toyota ended up wining the first Five places so Indy quit allowing Toyota engines to race there
What even more crazy is that I saw one at a local Toyota dealer this week for $50k. That’s insane. I understand it’s not a Regular Corolla but still. $50k is ridiculous.
@@Jaguar7444 AWD transmits power where needed (if a wheel is losing/gaining traction may not turn or may turn faster), while 4WD spins all the wheels regardless of traction or not unless it has a limited slip differential.
@@TsavoTouringnope you're completely wrong all-wheel drive systems don't use a center differential that's a full-time four-wheel drive uses a center differential and a part-time four-wheel drive uses a transfer case all-wheel drive is completely different normally sends power to the rear wheels right from the transmission with no transfer case no differential and some all-wheel drive systems use clutches whether that be fluid-filled clutch like a Subaru or clutch packs on the rear wheels like Toyota does on some of their vehicles
@@davidaix5771 I wouldn’t say completely wrong… I’s have to look into more but 2/3 Subaru systems use a center diff - an STI with DCCD has a button that says “C. Diff + /-“ and Audis have used a center differential. I’m sure there are a ton of variations with different technologies that involve various clutch packs and electric motors… but “completely wrong” is always a pretty bold / silly response to almost anything in the comments section 🤷🏻♂️
I like having an older boring Toyota. It’s a joy to have a car so reliable it’s boring. Toyota needs to remember their competitive advantage is being boring.
My 2008 carolla is super boring but I love it. Feels like it's gonna last forever, wouldn't be surprised if it goes for another 10-15+ years. One of my sons will probably be using it as their first car when they turn 16.
In my area its $45k not even including taxes not to mention this has an overheating issue for the awd system… so much for Toyota reliability. Doubt the little engine would last under all that pressure too.
Mine was retroactive. I heard bucket on my first couple of viewings. Then then on my fourth viewing I happen to be half paying attention, and then I didn't hear "buckets" I heard it completely different 😂😂😂😂
Toyota is phasing out its naturally aspirated engines for less reliable high output turbos... I told my family and friends to buy the last good ones if they want one new. T^T
It is a limited production hot hatch. First of all, you're not necessarily correct. But more importantly, this is a special edition. Nobody would expect a 300hp hot hatch to have the same exact reliability as one with half as much power.
This engine was designed specifically to run with the factory turbo. As long as you follow scheduled maintenance and operating guidelines, this engine will be as reliable as anything with the Toyota mark. So don't abuse it by neglecting maintenance and exceeding operating guidelines.
Everyone once in a while, toyota reminds us why they dominate in the racing segments by giving consumers things like this. 100hp per cylinder? Thats nuts. Thats like dodge slapping a hellcat engine in a minivan
Drove one of these last month on a road course. It’s literally a street legal shifter cart. Would be a 10/10 with about 75hp more. It’s easily as fun to drive as a GR Supra imo.
I gun my 2015 Toyota Camry very often, a naturally aspirated 4 pot. It’s over 100K miles and didn’t skip a beat but, I prematurely wore out the engine mounts and replaced them at 80K.
I think only the new ones have one? My grandma's 2020 came with the 2.5 and I can't see anything before 2024 about the 3-cylinder. Underrated engine when it's in sport mode, and that's coming from a guy who drives a manual 3.8 Eclipse
Im convinced, in 2050 they'll just sell us a car with a sail on top and no engine for $50k but it'll have 17 cameras, apple car play, 4 flesh lights, 8 coolers, simulated snow and hell fire AND it'll drive and shop the grocery store for you without even having to be in the car (as long as its a windy enough day).
No because it’s actually designed to have turbo. Almost all diesel trucks from the 2000’s and mid grade vehicles since like 2015 have had turbos sometimes two and have been perfectly reliable. Of course you can’t just neglect them like NA motors but if you keep up with maintenance they are reliable.
I know right?? People are quite mistaken if they think that 3 cylinder engine will last with a big turbo... sucking all the life out of it at a young age. Trading old age for the now, but thats the way new cars are. Impossible to work on and built that way on purpose 💪 😅
They made turbo diesel cars forever, still very reliable. And it is the high revs that wreck the engine, which yea buddy, that's what you get with a sports car 🤯
As broke as I am..... ...there is no way in hell I am owning a three-cylinder car. I am going to fix and refix my 1999 Toyota Solara V6 until the day I die-or get confined to a nursing home.
After owning a corolla that only lasted 150k miles with all on time maintenance at the dealer, I’ll never buy another one. Plus, it was uncomfortable, NVH was terrible, so it was fatiguing to drive. We replaced it with a Sonic hatch and it’s been a far superior economy car!
Toyota might have built "boring" cars, but those boring cars were extremely reliable, long-lasting, had engines that started up every time, and even the electronics lasted ages. This corolla might be more interesting, but at the cost of reliability which is what they're known for. That turbo charged engine is not going to make it to 100k without issues. The older models could surpass 200-300k and still be going strong. They would run circles around this. These cars manufacturers keep stuffing all this technology crap in these vehicles that hardly anyone knows what half of the buttons are, and cost a fortune to fix when they break (which is like, every three months 🤣). It becomes a distraction from the road and can cause accidents. You don't need it.
Toyota is already well loved for their motorsports participation wym bro this Corolla just a good car on a overall terrible couple years of cars, that’s not Toyota’s fault everybody is making plastic cars not just them
@@Lion_King_143it’s mainly cost. From a marketing standpoint they’d have to raise the price further to redesign the look. Those engineers and other lead guys want their bonuses lol. But I’d honestly take the reliability over look.
Meh, I'd rather take a Honda. Make that Accord Type S, reliable with 190 horses. Enough for a family to get about, and enough to have some backroad fun.
I can't see it lasting for several hundred thousand miles like the old corollas. But at least Toyota usually makes good on a flop, at least when they first started building cars.
They've been holding back and waiting, milkingus with what they would sell and still providing us reliability. But now that China and Korea are coming out with their aggressively styled and stylish EV vehicles, Toyota knows that now they have to break out the real shit in order to be competitive worldwide. I'm glad that they had this in their back pocket all along and are now pulling it out, we all benefit from it.
If you’re comparing a cheap model BMW to this, you deserve all the problems coming, just because you can get the price doesn’t mean maintenance is going to be the same price either. Gotta look at the bigger picture. Seen this plenty of times where people think they can do this. When they find out even the cheaper models can take premium gas that’s more expensive too. It all starts adding up and getting more expensive. You’re already paying more for maintenance and then on top of that premium gas lol
@@Anomize23obviously it takes premium gas…it’s an M car. M2 is not a cheap model BMW, it’s just the cheapest in the M lineup. Still an M, still premium, still performance oriented, still an awesome car, and yes…still expensive to maintain
There are 1000 hp supras that survive well over 150K miles after modifications before a rebuild is needed and that’s 166 hp per cylinder with 3 liters of total displacement.
@@davidperry4013 What are you yapping about young bloke? You are comparing fully built race engine GTE's to a factory G16. Im sorry to tell you, but if you genuinely think a G16 will EVER outlast a factory 2j gte or even an NA 2j, its over for you.
Everyone saying a Turbo 3 cylinder isn’t going to be reliable has NOT seen the internals of that engine. Look it up. They’ve already been tuned to 450hp stock and the cylinder walls are thicker than this dude’s left buttocks.
That geo metro may not have any horse power but that G10 engine with five speed transmission got 50 miles to a gallon and it was common to see then with 300,000 plus miles ... If this Toyota can do that , I'd buy one
Daihatsu also produced a 993 cc three. The turbo 12 valve version was the first car mass produced car with 100 hp per liter. They were in the Charade GTi. Toyota owns Daihatsu, which mostly builds 660 cc Kei cars.
Definitely cool, but im also definitely worried about the long term reliability of a turbo, direct injected *3* cylinder. Turbo gas engines tend to not last as long as N/A due to higher cylinder pressures and the associated washdown, same goes for GDI tech, and 3 cyl engines are inherently less valanced than even cylinder engines. I see this as a 250k mile car tops before a rebuild is necessary. Time will tell
I think the 3 cylinder can be reliable on its own but the turbo is what makes it questionable. I think i saw an article in which someone already drove the new Civic Si over 200,000 miles and it's still doing fine. That has a 4 cylinder turbo though, so who knows what will happen with the GR Corolla. The 3 cylinder seems new for Toyota whereas Honda for example has been putting the 1.5T in their cars for at least few years now
@@ufork stuff like this can definitely last a couple hundred thousand, especially when grandpa owns it, since he'll never rev it past 4k, and change the oil 500 miles early. I do however think the golden era of 90s honda and toyota products that last 300k when abused and 500k when lovingly maintained are long over 😔
I mean, it's not rocket science that a turbo motor will have reliability issues over N/A cars. You're forcing more air into the cylinders. The issue with that statement is you assume that the engineers didn't account for that extra pressure which is why most forced inducted engines have forged rotating assemblies and better breathing head/s. They didn't just throw a 3 turbo on a 3 cylinder and called it good.
@@TheWholeGrainBread_Real I do account for it. I co-owned and operated a machine shop from 2007-2015. Forged rotating assembly or not has nothing to do with the blow by associated with high cylinder pressures. Nothing at all. That comes down to piston ring metallurgy/tolerances/cylinder pressures. Not crank, not rods, nor piston metallurgy. I know you're just talking out of your 🍑 because I mentioned cylinder washdown, and you had to bring up forged internals. I need to just turn off notifications for this thread because I know it's going to attract know-it-all armchair engineers who've never spun a wrench to pay rent.
Powertune Australia ran their GR Yaris 6000 track miles with 680whp with stock internals. It blew when they tuned it to 800whp. This motor is very overbuilt, and it is amazing because it weighs nothing, giving you great weight distribution.
@@tylerknoll8135how about we take inspiration from the warthog. Instead of a gun on a plane its just a gun with wings. Maybe we just put a seat and wheels on a giant 4 cylinder.
"The last car I remember that had a 3 cylinder engine" says the car "journalist" who conveniently forgot about the BMW i8, Fiesta ST, Koenigsegg Gemera, Chevy Trailblazer, etc.
i like the manual part of it. but 300 horses out of a tiny 3 cylinder engine? That's a recipe for disaster. Aluminum blocks aren't made for that much compression.
@woxyroxme Head caskets do just fine on a diesel engine with 16:1 compression. I think the reason caskets blow on tiny aluminum engines is that the metal is too soft to hold it together. I think 1.5L turbos would do well with cast iron blocks and heads.
These are legends do u really think what u have thought may not work out did not get put into consideration by an army of engineers n scientists being paid loads of money by a multi billion dollar company who in their minds too are maad patriotic judt like the Japanese culture to do something that says Japan is better than Germany Italia Anglia n America in car manufacturing magic
Toyota said that they weren’t going to make a boring Corolla. Because Corolla is there number one selling car in the world overall over anything else and that’s why they chose this platform.
