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Toyota reveals New hybrid hydrogen Combustion Engine to end EV 'hype'
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@RocketIIIman 22 дня назад

After having an EV for three years, no fuel that has to come from a filling station has any interest to me. I fill my battery from my solar panels during summer or from cheap power over night. If I can't make it myself at home it's a no go.

@StoverEnt 22 дня назад

Hydrogen is pretty easy to make a home. I’ve done it. It’s the whole storage and delivery process that makes it difficult. Once hydrogen power past batteries arrive with 10x energy density of today’s batteries, things will shift in favor of hydrogen.

@jackalopewright5343 22 дня назад

@@StoverEntHydrogen is indeed easy to make. And then you have to use electricity to compress it to 10,000psi or make it a cryogenic liquid. The end result, per mile driven, it takes 3X the energy to use hydrogen as to just put the electricity in a battery.

@AuralioCabal-nl8gi 21 день назад

@@StoverEnt HYDROGEN is a RUBE GOLDBERG kind of thing, very complicated way of doing for end result, nothing more simple and DIRECT than a Solar panel and batteries to get you somewhere. No COMPRESSING , COOLING,STORAGE and TRANSPORT of the FUEL.

@garywozniak7742 21 день назад

@StoverEnt please, tell us h0w you did it ? The typical electrolyzer take a bout 54 3 kWh's of electricity to produce 1kg of hydrogen. Then it takes another 6 kWh to 12kWh of energy to compress for transportation or to fuel a vehicle. 1kg of hydrigen only contains 33.4 kWh's of energy. It is an energy hog.

@garywozniak7742 21 день назад

@@AuralioCabal-nl8giit has to be compressed to use in a hydrogen powered vehicle. And the typical electrolyzer takes about 53 kWh's of electricity just to electrolyze 1 kg if hydrogen.

@rogerfroud300 22 дня назад

But it's the best Hydrogen engine in the world... It boggles the mind that anyone still thinks the Hydrogen has any part to play in Car transport. Clever and beautifully crafted as these Engineering solutions are, they completely miss the point that they have to compete with a really simple Battery/Motor drivetrain that costs less already. They are also completely ignoring two key facts. Firstly, the end to end efficiency of Hydrogen is three times worse than BEVs. Secondly, at least 2/3 of BEV users will be able to charge cheaply at home. You still have to service Hydrogen ICE cars, and they're not going to last as long. It's hard to see how Toyota is so blind to the huge disadvantage the Hydrogen has over BEVs.

@migmigjohnson9351 22 дня назад

As for some honorable mentions… Less moving parts Instant torque Traction control favored by physics Brake regen/minimal brake wear Cheaper to fill in public infrastructure Frunk Quiet I know there’s at least one more but it escapes me. Edit: Dog Mode

@costiqueR 22 дня назад

There will be always some applications for this, do not forget that for heavy industry the electric transport is not working as the batteries are too big. For example, no tanks will be electrically moved in the near future. But in the common transportation... Toyota maybe will lose even the 2nd place in 2030...

@Joe-Dead 22 дня назад

intentionally blind, key note, 'made a deal with fossil fuel industries...' it's difficult to control electrical charging, to monopolize it. you can with hydrogen. secondly, toyota started their hydrogen kick decades ago, and now they're running on the sunk cost fallacy. so it's really all about money, control, and feels... lousy combinations for a business like toyota.

@RayJohnson1980 22 дня назад

@@costiqueR um you can't get any bigger than a mining truck and a quite a few companies are running BEV of these trucks so hydrogen other than may aero and shipping is not viable

@costiqueR 22 дня назад

@@RayJohnson1980 There are excavators on cables, electrical. These BEV trucks are running short runs between charging. As I said, and I close the discussion, Toyota hydrogen powertrains have a niche market, but not a mass market. So Toyota is really toasted if continues...

@jasongaylard2547 22 дня назад

Hydrogen atoms break down metals causing fractures.

@ristekostadinov2820 22 дня назад

Yeah, good luck making affordable carbon fiber tank. Unless you want the car to weigh like a tank from coated steel tanks that are able to store hydrogen at such high pressure. Also current fuel cells contain platinum which make it expensive to produce. For passenger cars it doesn't make any sense. We aren't even talking about the hydrogen fuel network, how green it will be, are you gonna build pipelines for hydrogen or you gonna transported it liquefied everything having it's own pros and cons. I know all of the car makers outside of China struggle to produce affordable EV (Citroen recently made small hatchback which isn't really bad for under 30k$) but even Tesla/Chevrolet/Kia/Hyundai/VW have a more affordable EV than the Mirai.

@timothykeith1367 22 дня назад

A synthetic hydrogen-ish fuel

@drewwatts7867 22 дня назад

Lucky the tank is only 10,000psi then.

@MrChakra108 22 дня назад

Very corrosive highly explosive nasty stuff you don't want to deal with.

@Wiscotac 22 дня назад

No worries mate, the industrial geniuses in some lab have discovered a rare earth element to fix this situation for about several million dollars a gram.

@twostate7822 22 дня назад

Breaking news: Toyota announces a hybrid diesel car Breaking news: Toyota announces a diesel/gasoline car Breaking news: Toyota announces a solid state diesel car Breaking news: Toyota announces a hydrogen V8 car Breaking news: Toyota announces the future is hybrid Breaking news: Toyota announces a solid state battery Repeat from the top. BTW, any chance that Toyota execs will go to prison for the latest safety scandal?

@yulusleonard985 22 дня назад

no but now Japanese government hates them so they will always launch new probes.

@Skeptic236 22 дня назад

Breaking news: Toyota announced bankruptcy

@r.a.monigold9789 22 дня назад

"...solid state diesel" You've said it all.

@anarkidaniel1196 22 дня назад

That's insane 😂😂😂@@r.a.monigold9789

@ITeachChinese 22 дня назад

😂

@zassonouka 22 дня назад

Good luck trying to find a hydrogen filling station here in Japan. The last one in Chiba at Narita airport closed down years ago because it didn't have any customers.

@chrisdsouza8685 22 дня назад

Toyota is not pushing fossil oil. It's pushing snake oil 😂

@kckfen 22 дня назад

The main problem with this hydrogen is the storage cost and cost of hydrogen... does not matter if it is hybrid or not? You need to store hydrogen in cryogenic state, which cost more energy that just using gasoline hybrid or EV

@batchint 22 дня назад

…or just can you have production every ten miles apart…

@ristekostadinov2820 22 дня назад

By the time they succeed making decent enough hydrogen network, battery makers will start rolling out solid state or hybrid batteries. Hydrogen will be useful for e-fuel in racing, or maybe fuel cell for trucking and heavy machinery like in construction or agricultural machinery.

@jawadad73 22 дня назад

@@ristekostadinov2820 I had the same taught, ships running on lng, ammonia...hydrogen is the next logical step

@javelinXH992 22 дня назад

@@jawadad73I agree. Hydrogen vehicles have a future, just not in cars. Useful for bulk machines like ships or trains, maybe even construction equipment that does not have time to refuel, but otherwise…… It’s always going to be more expensive than pure electric and also has more storage challenges. Not impossible to work with, but when other options are easier and cheaper, why would you? Hydrogen needs a few breakthroughs to get where EV is now, let alone to replace it. If Toyota think they can do it, I wish good luck to them, it will be useful to us all if they can achieve their goals.

@ristekostadinov2820 22 дня назад

@@jawadad73 i mean even diesel plugin hybrid is a better choice than the bunker fuel that they already use lol. I was obviously joking since the marine power train it's very expensive if they actually build plug in hybrid they won't decarbonize any time soon (since shipping companies use their ship for 40 years). LNG is not a practical solution, it requires gas to be cooled at very low temperature which uses quite a lot of energy, ammonia is a better solution but it have it's own challenges too.

@rogermckenzie2711 22 дня назад

They lied about solid state batteries etc., why should we take them seriously now?

@yo2trader539 22 дня назад

Lied about what? There has been a lot of media reports on Toyota & Idemitsu Solid State Batteries. Toyota plans to introduce BEV models with Solid State Batteries in 2027/2028.

@rogermckenzie2711 22 дня назад

@@yo2trader539 They claimed to have them in a working vehicle years ago and would have them in production EV's for sale also years ago.

@yo2trader539 22 дня назад

@@rogermckenzie2711No they haven't. Toyota only announced the product schedule after COVID, because it takes 3-5 years to develop a new model. And unlike Chinese companies, they don't like to sell half-baked products. Your lack of knowledge on Toyota is not Toyota's fault.

@rogermckenzie2711 22 дня назад

@@yo2trader539 Sure.

@RayJohnson1980 22 дня назад

@@yo2trader539 what do you mirai other than half baked

@jetli740 22 дня назад

Most complex engine ever made mean Most expensive to service and maintained

@user-pn5xu6ke7r 22 дня назад

this car is for display room not for the road

@Wiscotac 22 дня назад

Wow! Way way too much truthiness! In fact whether this is simply another media stunt or attempted future reality, "Most expensive to service and maintained", I believe that is the goal!

@kmlchannel 22 дня назад

I do not wish to give my hard earn cash to the Oil (Hydrogen) Cartel, who controls the price as a pure example with Petrol prices atm. EV is the future.

@timothykeith1367 22 дня назад

EVs are tethered. If you live on a large continent an EV may eliminate 95 percent of the possible destinations that any single EV can go. Public charging will never be ubiquitous because of the limits to the electrical grid and various socialization limitations - vandalism of public chargers, women afraid to use them etc.

@kmlchannel 22 дня назад

@@timothykeith1367 EV will be suitable for a majority of us. The charging solution is not 100%, but we have to start somewhere and improve it over time, the word never is anti progress, and we don't want that do we?

@thechloromancer3310 22 дня назад

@@timothykeith1367 CATL has already unveiled a battery with a range of 1000 km... back in April 2024. That is more than enough for the overwhelming majority of car owners.

@erktrek 22 дня назад

@@timothykeith1367 If there were no Solar/Wind/Hydro power from which to charge then sure limited by a countries grid. Also should be mentioned that BEVs can be charged via a standard outlet as well.

@bsaxman2012 22 дня назад

@@timothykeith1367 I'm glad I'm no longer addicted to global oil and affected by supplies from Russia, Iran, OPEC, others.

@jeffallen4377 22 дня назад

I bet the major oil companies are involved with this.

@st4849 22 дня назад

So which company will replace my EV charger on my wall with a hydrogen pump for a few hundred quid?

@roygardiner4002 22 дня назад

Get those PV panels off your roof too, replace with hydrogen suckers.

@emmanuelgutierrez8616 22 дня назад

Yeah, you just need a rooftop hydrogen capture machine that would require electricity to convert it to hydrogen. Lol it's as dumb as it sounds. Imagine the VP had an EV car and they're being forced to push hydrogen

@Wiscotac 22 дня назад

Exactly!

@abstractexchange5057 22 дня назад

this time, Toyota really makes efficient hydrogen combustion engine vehicles, which are more efficient than hydrogen fuel cell. No doubt at this time. The solution is that they make hybrid hydrogen combustion engine vehicles. They use smaller hydrogen combustion engine electricity generator to power vehicle motor with small onboard battery. The onboard hydrogen combustion engines do not spin the wheels, but just power the electric motors and charge small onboard batteries. The electric motors will spin the vehicle wheels. By that way, they achieve efficiency, regenerative brake function, and optimal efficient regime of combustion engines. I am sure that you can absolutely believe their good efficiency of hydrogen combustion engine vehicle this time. Because the real practice, the real same examples on market is showing true high efficiency of this kind of hybrid hydrogen combusition engine vehicles. Look at the NISSAN KICKS cars, which also use combustion engines to power electric motors and small onboard batteries. The NISSAN KICKS cars show very impressive thermal efficiency about 50% in real life use cases in real markets. The NISSAN KICKS cars use gasoline combustion engines, not hydrogen combustion engines. But there is no difference in efficiency. They strongly prove that such hybrid hydrogen combustion engine vehicles can easily reach thermal efficiency 50% in real life use cases.

@i6power30 22 дня назад

It's not about logic and common sense for these guys. They believe cars need to have ice to have a soul. A car needs something moving and breathing and vibratiing to be alive. Lol

@drewwatts7867 22 дня назад

Yes, everybody knows the best way to affordable and reliable cars, is add thousands of extra parts, using a fuel that needs many extra steps. Well done Toyota!

@chrisborns5972 22 дня назад

Physics proves these technologies if perfected will never come close to the efficiency of EVs today.

@caljeff2427 19 дней назад

neither does gas or diesel, but they still easily out sell EV's

@thilinarupasinghe7968 22 дня назад

Toyota investing on Steam Engines 😂

@timothykeith1367 22 дня назад

Hydrogen is produced from natural gas by a process called steam methane reforming. I suppose you could call it a steam engine. Around the world large volumes of NG is flared off and wasted. Being a waste byproduct means otherwise lost NG could be used if an economical method existed to collect it from numerous remote sources. The American gas industry developed LNG and ships it around the world, nobody has an economical way to collect NG without building pipelines or compressing it in tanks and then trucking it.

@Simon-dm8zv 22 дня назад

⁠@@timothykeith1367 Of course waste of NG has to be drastically decreased but that doesn’t mean hydrogen cars have a reason to exist.

@user-yg8to1ss5e 22 дня назад

Actually a retired black cop in America INVENTED the hydrogen engine.....he was suspiciously murdered while doing security at a grocery store in NY......a white supremacist stalked the neighborhood and store for 2 weeks before committing the mass shooting....🚩

@idocmirk 22 дня назад

“I kid you not!”

@RaoulEvilD 22 дня назад

@@timothykeith1367 Psychological hacking genius! The type of comment which can dodge any bullet. That's some epic 4D chess move 😂.

@MudflyWatersman 22 дня назад

There's no hydrogen infrastructure. Hydrogen has its own storage and distribution issues..... Which is why never caught on in the last 20 years. ...... Hindenburg..... Should be all you need to know

@bobwallace9753 22 дня назад

There's this physics problem. It takes energy to break the oxygen/hydrogen bond in water in order to produce hydrogen. It takes energy to compress the hydrogen so it can be realistically stored. It takes energy to move hydrogen from plant to filling station. Then there's an economic problem. All that extra energy/electricity costs money. The plants to generate and compress hydrogen cost money. The trucks needed to move hydrogen to filling stations cost money. The filling stations cost money. Bottom line: With all those costs how can a H2 vehicle compete with a battery powered vehicle?

@nfzeta128 22 дня назад

yep. At the end of the day an EV made in a factory using renewables would still be cheaper, cleaner and easier than any H2 hybrid vehicle. They're really trying to save their cash cow of having everyone depend on their fuel stations. Public chargers exist but those, while lucrative, aren't exactly necessary and people can literally just mostly have home charging as the costs go down.

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

@@nfzeta128 Tesla runs their own supercharger network. It is a cash positive business (if that s all you mean with lucrative) but it s barely noticable in the bottom line.

@timothykeith1367 22 дня назад

Most hydrogen is produced from natural gas - a widely used process called steam methane reforming. Easy to produce syngas from biomass contains hydrogen - there is no major interest in developing biomass - although it is renewable, it's too bulky and costly to transport. During the 2nd world war when gasoline was rationed in Europe the use of biomass to produce syngas was common. Look up an Alabama man named Wayne Keith on the Drive-on-wood forum to learn how it's done. Wayne has driven coast to coast on syngas.

@zoransarin5411 22 дня назад

Short answer: They can't

@alihms 22 дня назад

They have fallen into sunk-cost fallacy. They can't justify the billions they have spent on the hydrogen tech to the BOD (and to the general public). Rather than accepting defeat, they'll spend some more, expecting some miracles will happen.

@ZincFold 22 дня назад

Increased complexity just means more parts to sell you. The simplicity of EVs is more appealing to me.

@DeftPol 8 дней назад

This is fundamentally the driving force behind this idea. The Japanese auto industrial base is quite large and the number of parts companies vastly outweigh the auto primes, so my assumption has long been that this is just there way of trying to avoid putting those companies out of business.

@costiqueR 22 дня назад

Toyota leaders are absolutely insane...

@MarksElectricLife 22 дня назад

Who says farce is dead? Thanks Toyod/ta for the comic relief 😂🤣😂

@jeffreywyatt6425 22 дня назад

I think when you said that they have partnered with an oil and gas company - says it all. Thirty percent is laughable! Last month, fifty percent of all vehicles sold in China were electric.

@ironsword7 22 дня назад

They mean 30% of all cars, not sales. China has something like 320million cars and sold 8million EVs last year. Toyota must think that the total EV market in China is about 100m. They could be right.

@yo2trader539 22 дня назад

Idemitsu has been working on Solid-State Batteries from 2001 and Toyota from 2006, which is why they are co-developing the technology.

@cryptosurfer3255 22 дня назад

The only reason EV sales aren't taking over Legacy auto at the moment is because the EU and the USA are blocking Chinese EV sales !

@RayJohnson1980 22 дня назад

thats good thing

@jolive3743 22 дня назад

@@RayJohnson1980 we have known that China was producing electric cars for a decade, so the real question should be why have western manufacturers sat on their hands?

@slovackoinfo 22 дня назад

No one blocks Chinese cars. You can buy Chinese cars anywhere in Europe.

@MrChakra108 22 дня назад

@@slovackoinfoNot for long. EU tariffs coming. But I think the Chinese will just move the production to the EU (like they do in Hungary).

@randy74989 22 дня назад

@@MrChakra108 BYD is building a vehicle manufacturing plant in Hungary to open in 2025/2026. "The facility will be built in the 300-hectare industrial park on the outskirts of Szeged, next to the Laser Institute ELI-ALPS, from where the Asian group will serve the European market."

@jeffreywyatt6425 22 дня назад

Game changing for Toyota - but not in a good way -:)

@gerald1964 22 дня назад

They are also working on a version where 1000 mice will run on a treadmill in the engine. A future high-powered version will have 2000 mice running on treadmill in the engine. The car just requires cheese as a fuel source. I would suggest investing in stock in grocery stores in anticipation of this new mega trend in automotive technology.

@peteralflat281 21 день назад

Cheese power sounds brie-liant!

@thilinarupasinghe7968 22 дня назад

Toyota just dump money on failed experiments.

@hiram1923 22 дня назад

Well, it's Toyota's money, they can do with it what they want. That's different to governments dumping taxpayer money on failed experiments.

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

They re quite litterally buying time!

@nfzeta128 22 дня назад

@@hiram1923 trust me, Toyota is swimming in subsidies and grants themselves.

@rawnet101 22 дня назад

@@hiram1923No, it’s investor’s money, Toyota are in the red big time.

@kng128 20 дней назад

@@hiram1923Toyota is not a private company. They are publicly traded. The only reason they are no longer the world’s most in debt company is because Evergrande overtook them.

@jonathanbradshaw2575 22 дня назад

😂, let’s make something that needs a totally new infrastructure instead of electricity that is already readily available. Batteries only keep on getting better: 1. More capacity. 2. Cheaper. 3. More stable. 4. More applications (grid/home/flight). Hydrogen is no real competition.

@willm5814 22 дня назад

My roof produces all the energy I need to run my Tesla Model Y, it’s awesome!! (my community made me put the panels in the worst location so they wouldn’t offend anyone 😂 but they still produce enough for the car plus all my lighting and technology requirements)

@Rabs73 22 дня назад

The big issue with hydrogen is to produce it "green" ie from renewables, the electricity needs to be 1/3 the cost of now to reach parity with BEVs running costs. Then at 1/3 the cost of electricity, the BEV is now 1/3 the cost to run. Can never reach parity. And that is not even going into the transport and storage woes. Or the maintenance or safety problems. Give up already!

@ezg8448 22 дня назад

All hydrogen storage containers have a limited life to them. That of course includes the vehicle running on said hydrogen. This costs $15,000 on the Toyota Mirai last I read and I'm guessing needs to be done at least 2 times on the life of a car. To not do it... I can't imagine what happens when a large canister experiences explosive decompression in a car.

@fifthager 22 дня назад

Hydrogen as fuel for vehicles is just a desperate bait-and-switch tactic from the fossil fuel folk. Get people hooked on hydrogen and you can undercut green hydrogen with your lovely blue hydrogen, then hey presto you have your customers back. Zero tailpipe emissions, so must be clean, eh? Shame about the carbon dioxide, but I'm sure they will figure out how to capture that at the hydrogen plant. Or not ...

@user-xe1ul9qo6s 22 дня назад

So all the good bits of an engine. Camshafts, crankshafts, rockers, lifters, valves, tappets, oil pumps, water pumps, spark plugs, etc etc etc.. compared to an electric motor.. what could go wrong?

@hippie-io7225 22 дня назад

Anyone doing car engine rebuilding understands the tight tolerances that can be involved with ICE engines. Hydrogen is such a small molecule that it likes to escape into the atmosphere. Your $30 per gallon hydrogen will dissipate while the car is parked!

@patrickfavier4310 22 дня назад

It will end the EV hype among the ones that are scepticall already, mostly because they do not understand physics. Hydrogen combustion is even more stupid than fool cells. It works fine, until you check the cargo and passenger space that is left after you need to have a 20-ish kg 700bar compressed hydrogen storage to get 400km of range. For comparison, the Mirai has 5kg of storage, and while being a very large sedan, it has the cargo capacity of a Toyota Yaris because of these 5kg tanks being squeezed in everywhere.

@paulrandolph8469 22 дня назад

I remember when Toyota wss working on hydrogen cars in the 1980s. There was one big pressure tank under the hood, and I didn't see the combustion engine. I think it's pride that prevents them from admitting they were wrong all along. If any country can will things into being simply by believing it, it's the Japanese, but not this time. H2 is a fool's errand.

@thechloromancer3310 22 дня назад

Lots of old men with big egos controlling the levers of power in Japan's government and big corporations.

@yo2trader539 22 дня назад

Toyota started hybrid research from 1975 during the Oil Crisis. They think and plan in decades. Hydrogen R&D is for future product development.

@thechloromancer3310 22 дня назад

@@yo2trader539 Thinking a few decades ahead is definitely a good strategy... and is why China is dominating in EV right now (they started implementing their plans for dominating the entire supply chain 20 years ago). But... sometimes mistakes are made. And it very much appears that Toyota miscalculated on whether the world would move towards EV or H2. As many have already pointed out, H2 has serious problems scaling down to the size of an automobile. Maybe there is a future for H2 in some larger application. Maybe not. But in the very near future, China will be producing a very large quantity of EV cars that are cheaper than ICE cars and of equivalent or better quality. That is already moving the Global Majority towards the adoption of EVs and the implementation of EV infrastructure. Toyota has missed the boat.

@yo2trader539 22 дня назад

@@thechloromancer3310 Toyota never calculates like that. They develop various technologies because they follow consumer demand and market conditions. Chinese firms aren't making any money selling Battery-Electric Vehicles, while Toyota makes money selling hybrids. (Half of all Toyota global vehicles sales in FY2024 will be hybrids.) And all the automakers are pivoting to hybrids because that's what sells better than BEVs, even in China. If customers only wanted BEVs, Toyota would be only making BEVs. But that is not what sells in volume in majority of Toyota's main markets. If Toyota wanted to make cheap and dangerous BEVs with cheap components, materials, and batteries and just focus on the interior like Chinese automakers, Toyota can do that too. But that is not what consumers want from Toyota. Hydrogen research is continued for post-fossil fuel era, or post-hybrid era around 2040s in mind. It's why their concept car is called technology of the "future" or MIRAI. Diesel-powered trains, trucks, and buses will also upgraded with hydrogen. Steel sector will using hydrogen instead of coking coal for steel production. City gas will be shifting to hydrogen solutions as well. Toyota didn't miss the boat. They're always way too early.

@doncooper2344 22 дня назад

Toyota announced this "breakthrough" almost a year ago. No one has gotten excited about it because, while a technological feat, it doesn't solve the problems of using liquid hydrogen as a fuel. This is primarily related to the facts hydrogen has very low energy density and liquid hydrogen boils off at anything above -253C. This low energy density means that an SUV would seat two since the fuel tank would take up the space of a couple of large trash bins. The fact that hydrogen boils off above -253C means you'd have to replace the fuel pump once a week and you could go to bed with a half full tank and wake up to a tank which is a quarter full. We won't even get into the distribution issues. Could find a use in a niche application but doesn't seem practical for general use.

@CatsMeowPaw 22 дня назад

Hydrogen costs more as a fuel than petrol or diesel. Toyota has spent almost a decade selling the Mirai and during that time they haven't solved this very basic problem.

@oceanwave4502 22 дня назад

A lot of Kodak/MySpace/Yahoo moments for Japanese companies in the upcoming decades. 😉

@oldbloke204 22 дня назад

Yeah we've been hearing that for quite a while now haven't we? Toyota doing well and all the EV companies that were going to bury them? Not so much.

@kurniawanwidisusanto3619 22 дня назад

I think toyota will win in industry with their hydrogen power, but not with civilian consumers @@oldbloke204

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

@@oldbloke204 Is that your conclusion?! xD We ve been hearing it, it hasn t happened = it s not gonna happen?! The bases of someone's opinion say a lot about its character. We ve passed the 5% adoption mark, we re at about 10% this year. (you could see that for yourself instead you decided to make a full out of yourself on a youtube comment...) At about 35% (in no more then 3-4 years) hell is unlished (, the money losses are going to be unrepearable. Keep up or get left behind. You don t just start producing millions of affordable and profitable EVs out of nowhere, it takes a decade to develope the production line and the supplier pipeline. Legacy OEMs are late to the party. Do your research, invest in Tesla.

@yulusleonard985 22 дня назад

@@oldbloke204 Lol and why next year they will be rebadging BYD cars?

@xiaoka 22 дня назад

@@oldbloke204Nokia stayed around for a while too. 😂

@qzhang25 22 дня назад

EV battery cost will probably decrease 10-20% each year, in 5-10 years, battery cost will be hugely reduced. As the result, the car manufacturing cost will be much cheaper. So BYD can now sell EV under $10,000. Plus EV maintenance is also much cheaper. Can ICE car manufacturing cost also be reduced that much, regardless using gas or hydrogen? The auto competition now is on how smart a car can be. Japanese auto makers are never good on that. So Japanese auto makers are likely to follow Kodak, Nokia, Motorola, their glorious days are over.

@yo2trader539 22 дня назад

Actually, that's a uniquely Chinese things. In Europe, North America, or Japan...most people prefer quality and reliability over fancy tech that cannot be trusted.

@JimmyDoyel-by2cp 22 дня назад

But they can be trusted now, so...

@SmolBiscuit 19 дней назад

@@yo2trader539 Quality yes but I've never gone out of my way to buy a Toyota. Innovation and making a vehicle smarter is what I always seek. Something that Hyundai, Tesla and beyond have been doing with their EV's. When I'm barely spending six dollars to go 330+ miles, there is no going back to Hybrids let alone Gasoline. If the concern is energy output then domestically in the US we need to produce a few nuclear power plants to provide the output necessary and lower the individual house hold costs, let's stop importing electricity from our neighbors and move Gasoline toward the commercial sector until a solution can be solved there. Imagine a day when only 18 wheelers are pumping out smog and every other vehicle is just electric? I think that alone would massively change the world we live in!

@makmonhoney200 22 дня назад

The big problem is here in the US there are no fuel stations for hydrogen except a few in California and the price is more than gasoline your better off just using gasoline,

@brianliew5901 22 дня назад

The Japanese are learning well from the US; lies and propaganda are also part of critical thinking. 😂😂😂😂

@andersjrgensen581 22 дня назад

in denmark every hydrogen station are closed. i believe also in Norway.!!!!!!!!

@oldgandy5355 22 дня назад

If Toyota actually has made hydrogen safe and economical, they need to use it to produce power plants for the grid. It seems to burn so hot it should be able to replace coal and gas as the primary fuel for when the wind doesn't blow and the where sun don't shine. Or maybe that's where their heads are already.

@davidpickard9393 22 дня назад

The winner will be the lowest cost overall regardless of technology

@bobwallace9753 22 дня назад

Correct. So, given that a lot more energy and a lot more infrastructure would be needed for a hydrogen powered vehicle how could a hydrogen powered vehicle win the cost contest? It's not like EVs are inefficient. Electric motors are extremely efficient.

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

Indeed. Do your research, invest in Tesla.

@downix 22 дня назад

@lucadellasciucca967 Tesla is currently overvalued, but there are EV firms which are undervalued out there.

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

@@downix I m not invested in the EV business :)

@user-xn9it8df3s 21 день назад

Wrong those Chinese vehicles will last for at most 3-4 years and that’s with good maintenance

@jchidley 22 дня назад

You called it. They will disappear like Kodak. ironically, Fuji (Japan) survived by embracing the new technology and Kodak (USA) died. I'm betting on Tesla over Toyota.

@yo2trader539 22 дня назад

Kodak died because they stopped R&D and only focused on one technology. Fujifilm survived because they diversified into medical equipment, industrial film, pharmaceuticals, and cosmetics using their chemical and film background. Companies with only one expertise fail to survive.

@user-pn5xu6ke7r 22 дня назад

sony toshiba

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

Easy bet. Do your resaerch, invest in Tesla.

@timothykeith1367 22 дня назад

I saw three Kodak digital cameras this week on a display case in a retail store. I scratch my head at the "Kodak" references. What do you mean by that?

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

@@timothykeith1367 Kodak is the name xD The company failed.

@peterf03 22 дня назад

As a professional Mechanical Engineer, I’m all for spread betting motive technology for transportation. As an ex- engineer on commercial scale hydrogen plants, Toyoda (in)san(e)

@user-gh6kl7vu7b 22 дня назад

I bought one and live in Townsville QLD. They say I have to go refill it in Brisbane! 🤪

@hanstandt9587 22 дня назад

Problem is the cost for making H2 and transporting it. In the EU the oil companies are lobbying for going to H2. For them its a question of surviving. The idea for solving the transporting problem is that they would like to use the old gas pipes. Problem is that H2 atom is so small it's getting into the metal and create cracks. H2 is not the solution, look to Norway. They tried.

@thechloromancer3310 22 дня назад

"In the EU the oil companies are lobbying for going to H2." One of the biggest problems with our current democratic models. Assholes with money influencing government policy.

@tenchichrono 22 дня назад

Hydrogen stations... are expensive af and are always running low nearby me.

@-whackd 22 дня назад

Luckily they even exist near you

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

@@-whackd How is that lucky?

@nfzeta128 22 дня назад

@@lucadellasciucca967 because he has the option because of its existence, even if it's a shit option since a lot of people, even H2 car owners don't even have that access.

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

@@nfzeta128 Whoever buy s a hydrogen vehicle is a moron. And wouldnt call luck having one more explosive near your house, that s all i m saying.

@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane 22 дня назад

You wouldn't want to be anywhere near it if one blows up.

@joehodgson2815 22 дня назад

Wildly complex mechanism, that literally throws itself apart: as dated looking as a steam engine

@dingoeatswolf3663 22 дня назад

How old do you think electric motors are? And let me tell you, you can spin an electric motor to destruction too 😁

@skipondowntheroad5833 22 дня назад

@@dingoeatswolf3663 The "wildly complex" (and inefficient and expensive) part is the important takeaway. Just the ICE engine alone will have hundreds of moving parts enduring high heat and friction. While an electric motor has two moving parts including bearings which are inexpensive to replace.

@horsebee1 22 дня назад

There is no argument that hydrogen works as a fuel but it makes no sense on a very basic level. If we are talking internal combustion engines then yes the tail pipe emissions are water vapor but like any engine of this type it is only capable of turning about max 40% of the available potential energy into usable energy and that is not going to change no matter the fuel used. These engines are complex with many moving parts all of which cause frication and heat, on top of that the very process of combustion also creates heat lots of it all of which needs to be dispersed via a pumped heat exchanger requiring even more power. If we are talking fuel cell then the equation becomes even more ridiculous. We use electricity to create, compress and store hydrogen to pass it through a fuel cell to create electricity to charge a battery to run an EV. The final nail in the coffin is supply. To have a hydrogen based transport system we need production, storage and distribution dedicated to hydrogen, none of which we currently have in any usable form. It took over 100 years to get the oil distribution system that we currently have and none of it can be used for hydrogen. With electricity and direct battery charging we use the grid network that already exists to service mutable markets and has been around for 150 years

@JaceTran 22 дня назад

Pioneer, Toshiba, Sanyo, Denon, Technics, Panasonics....now are Toyota, Honda...very sad!

@yo2trader539 22 дня назад

Tesla batteries are Panasonic.

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

Moving the idrogen in the amount it would be needed to replace the transport sector would be asking for disasters to happen. Why spend energy to make hydrogen when you can use that same energy to move a vehcile directly?

@JimmyDoyel-by2cp 22 дня назад

This! Ev already exist, electricity can be transport cheaply, and electricity can be generated from many source outside the control of oil cartel. HYDROGEN has none of that!!! But I've seen strangers thing in the world, perhaps tomorrow there is a new breakthrough that can turn hydrogen into jello that you can hold in your hand!!!! Invented by the Chinese heheh.

@Wiscotac 22 дня назад

And if we were that stupid, those random natural gas explosions we see in the news will get pushed off the front pages everywhere due to many more Hydrogen-2 explosions in the future as the H2 infrastructure becomes degraded and not regulated enough when we inevitably don't keep up that *overly complex* infrastructure. Sooner or later, BIG booms and massive FUBAR! Right, It's already happened big time with fossil fuels and nuclear.

@anthonybanayat9841 22 дня назад

There is currently no viable infrastructure for Hydrogen vehicles around the world. I honestly couldn’t say where a single hydrogen fueling station exists in the greater metro Phoenix area and we have more than 5 million drivers. However, electric vehicles and electric fueling stations are proliferating at an amazing rate and scale.

@merlingrim2843 22 дня назад

I have 6 vehicles on my ranch, 1 EV, 5 ICE. My intent is to flip these counts.

@glebnershin1371 22 дня назад

Synthetic fuel produced in Chile in the Siemens/Porsche plant will cost approximately 1 Dollar per Liter (before taxes).

@jetli740 22 дня назад

ok give the final cost the sale in your area?

@Simon-dm8zv 22 дня назад

That would mean they can get electricity at an extremely low price which could have been used to power 5 times more vehicles if used in EVs.

@johnlodge8546 22 дня назад

BAAAA HAAA HAAA. You believe that nonsense. The synthetic fuel you are talking about is an extremely low percentage synthetic fuel blended with traditional fossil fuels. On the order of 10% to 90% fossil fuel, completely pointless. Pure synthetic fuel is outrageously expensive at $20 per liter.

@glebnershin1371 22 дня назад

Depends on taxes. If the same taxes ar applied as for fossils (unprobable) - 2 Euros per Liter.

@glebnershin1371 22 дня назад

@@Simon-dm8zv This is an area in the far south of Chile, mostly unpopulated due to steady heavy winds and off the grid.

@rollling7523 22 дня назад

AI generated comments are the best.

@jacksiebenaler1264 22 дня назад

I wish I’d know more about shorting stocks for the long range. I think it would be a great compliment to my long range view of Tesla stock. Double down on the EV transition. I worked in the refining business of making hydrogen for 30 years. Expensive to produce, hard to contain, hard to transport, CO2 is a waste product of production that is most often vented to the atmosphere. When a leak is ignited, mostly due to friction at the leak point, you cannot see the flame in the daylight. Natural gas and steam are the feedstocks in producing hydrogen. The reforming furnaces run at around 1400 degrees and are fired with natural gas or other refinery fuel sources that add more combustions gases to the atmosphere. What part of green energy is this whole operation?

@thorium222 22 дня назад

Toyota's 30 % EV number comes from looking inward and deciding this number would be the maximum EV market share they still would be comfortable with without changing anything. Reminds me of German utilities in the 90's, who took out full page ads in magazines and newspapers to tell us that renewables would never be able to supply more than 4 % of Germany's electricity demand at a time when hydro alone was close to that number.

@avdp9095 22 дня назад

Yes, 30% of an annual production of 11 mln cars, 3,75 mln Bevs. 100% for Europe, China and 50% for the States. Other markets simply don't have the infrastructure. EV sakes are collapsed in Germany, diesels on the ruse again. Stellantis halted Ev development, same for Mercedes and VW, not so Toyota, they invest billions in Bev's and gigacasting.

@catinbootsnow4267 22 дня назад

From computer science, to Internet, to new energy vehicles, Japan has always been rushing into the wrong way...😅

@thechloromancer3310 22 дня назад

Smart people, just not very wise, apparently.

@rozonoemi9374 22 дня назад

Leave Akyo in place, that way Toyota will go down faster!

@ajemohaltom3560 22 дня назад

Aptera is proving for us the efficiency of solar just pumping into batteries verses splitting water to generate hydrogen. The efficiency only get's worse when the hydrogen is sourced from fossil fuels. What might be useful is to investigate how much the fossil fuel industry is influencing Toyota's R&D.

@oldionus 22 дня назад

With the plumetting cost of batteries, and the relative simplicity and synergies of a BEV drive train, it's hard to imagine how a complex hybrid that has to run on a compressed or liquefied H/2 gas can possibly be either cheaper or more reliable than BEVs, or have better range, or... anything. And that's not even taking into account the complete absence and expected vast cost of a hydrogen infrastructure and this sure looks like a bad bet to me.

@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt 22 дня назад

Outside of California (OK 1 in Hawaii) no hydrogen fuelling stations in the US, Shell recently closed all of their hydrogen stations in California. In Europe maybe OK for Germany and Holland, Belgium sort of OK, France has few stations, UK has less than 20 stations mainly near London, rest of Europe is between 1-4 stations for each country. Europe has said that cars built to use efuels, biofuels etc must be designed to not work with diesel and gasoline. UK uses zero emissions as their guide. UK allows ICE hybrid if the car can run for 100 miles on electricity only. No Hybrids currently sold in the UK can do this. California and 9 other states have EV mandates for zero emission, I have not yet clarified their definition of what qualifies as zero emission.

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

The least the better.

@gottagowork 20 дней назад

I think we had one hydrogen station here, but that is gone now. I just don't like ICE, regardless of what they run on, for being overly complex designs where so much wear and tear can ruin the experience and wallet. More research need to go into battery, and figuring out a way to replace parts of a battery that has run out or sustained damage. Electric motors are very compact, have very few parts, and *SHOULD* provide a much *CHEAPER* car for the end user to buy. For H2 I just see nothing but logistical problems. I'm a big fan of Toyota, but based only on what other owners state customer experience wise, never owned one myself. Wish them well and at least *hope* it works out for them. But I'm not buying into the H2 hype at all. Countries already have a future ICE ban in the works, so "max 30% EV" sounds like its being pulled out of thin air. We're banning sales of *new* ICE in, oh wow, 161 days!! Of course existing ICE will be allowed to run their lifetime. Will be interesting to see if that plays out according to plan. I also believe we need to rethink our logistical ways. Instead of fast long hauler ICE trucks, convert to slower delivery by rail and intercity EV truck distribution. At least for the most part, I don't see ICE being removed completely. And it's not all going to be economically viable from a pure capitalist (forever growth) point of view. It's just a sad fact that will *HAVE* to be accepted.

@hanswitvliet8188 22 дня назад

Just 30% BEV? What are they doing with the other 70%? Filling parking lots at their factory???

@nfzeta128 22 дня назад

Yea, even if we just count busses and such, they'll make up a good few % points.

@mrfudd13 22 дня назад

They also have "developed" an ammonia-driven contraption. They're still piston engines - a 19th century, obsolete technology. Hydrogen has been tried several times and fails. Piston engines are simply no match for an electric motor.

@Pro1er 22 дня назад

"They also partnered with a fossil fuel company to provide you with hydrogen." So I was right the other day when I said that I suspect that Toyota was in bed with Big Oil.

@Tjibbe07 22 дня назад

Delusional, these are just the last convulsions of a dying brand. Twitch... twitch... done

@lesliecarter4295 22 дня назад

The facts don’t support your claims. Biggest and most profitable car company! Lowest inventory and highest demand! You are the one who is delusional…!

@lucadellasciucca967 22 дня назад

@@lesliecarter4295 You fail to undertand that with the information of the present to can extrapolate to the future. You re only looking at past and present performance and assuming it s gonna stay that way. Not how the world works my guy.

@yulusleonard985 22 дня назад

@@lesliecarter4295 Lol 2023 sales are flat line compared to 2022 but because nosediving Yen they double the profit but outside Japane thy sucks. Next year they will be rebadging BYD cars.

@nanostar6138 22 дня назад

I think all new energy vehicles are waiting on some technology advancement revolution. If Toyota figure out how to generate hydrogen from water efficiently then they have a point, if batteries work out how to not explode and charge quickly then batteries will win. It’s a race to that next advancement

@here-and-there1071 22 дня назад

@@nanostar6138uhh...batteries catch fire. Hydrogen actually explodes. Remember The Hindenburg?

@avrahamavraham5977 22 дня назад

I agree with Toyota

@zoransarin5411 22 дня назад

Then sell your home and go all in on Toyota.

@GenRicOpekc 21 день назад

How green and efficient is the hydrogen production and delivery method? It will NEVER be as efficient as solar and wind electricity delivered to my home, local charging station or any charging station in America!!

@tom0kiely 22 дня назад

The amount of complexity meaning the high cost of these cars. Plus the huge running costs will mean it can’t compete with cheap Chinese EVs. Toyota will be the biggest Kodak event in history.

@JohnZolla-bp7tl 22 дня назад

You should have saved this video for April fools day!

@lesliecarter4295 22 дня назад

Sam is wrong on virtually every level. Sam is getting very desperate in his defence of Bevangelism …!

@jetli740 22 дня назад

yes he is wrong on every level and hydrogen car is the future for all flat-earther

@zoransarin5411 22 дня назад

Then don't listen to Sam and do some reading. Toyota sold 21,425 Mirai's from November 2014 to November 2022. Tesla sells that many EVs in 4.25 days, given they sold 1,845,985 cars in 2023. If hydrogen is the future and is so good, explain the reality?

@zoransarin5411 22 дня назад

The read about how they are CLOSING hydrogen filling stations in Europe and the UK. Still think that is a good sign for the hydrogen future?

@jetli740 22 дня назад

@@zoransarin5411 NO reality... hydrogen car is not new, japan have it for a decade now and only have 170 filling station. UK about 12. so it will never get popular My nearest H2 filling station is 4-5 hour round trip, i would not take a h2 car if it for free, Cant imagine drive that far to fill up and have to worry you have enough to reach the filling station every time.

@timshort9692 12 дней назад

My dear dad used to tell me, 'Watch that you don't get caught doing a fantastic job on the wrong thing.' I really think this sums up Toyota's behaviour. Very silly. They are increasing their chances of good out of business sooner than most might think, including their own leadership team.

@Jaw0lf 15 дней назад

I really don't see this working..a Hydrogen filling station will be more difficult to fit than an EV charger. Having an EV means I don't need to go somewhere else to fill up, as generally I have a full car after being asleep overnight!

@scruffy4647 21 день назад

It doesn’t matter what your fuel is, an ICE has a lot of moving parts. An electric motor has one, the rotor, with two bearings to support the rotor shaft. Hundreds of moving parts vs one. The only friction surface on the electric motor are the two bearings. As long as you don’t over temp the motor, it’ll run forever. Now when discussing fuel type, that’s a completely different topic.

@DrRussPhd 2 дня назад

I'm still waiting for the "Mr. Fusion" system from the "Back to the Future" movies on the Delorean.

@at3941 22 дня назад

There’s no way I’m chaining myself to another burning fuel that only a hand full of companies or countries control. I’m going 100% electric.

@philiptaylor7902 22 дня назад

Synthetic fuels and green hydrogen will inevitably come down in price if they scale up manufacturing, but will they ever be competitive with battery electric? I doubt it.

@stevewilson6193 22 дня назад

imagine what Toyota could've done if they had actually tried to make an EV.

@Tem-zj6wr 21 день назад

Toyota can be completely right about their engine... but until they have national hydrogen infrastructure rolled out for mere consumers, there are just too many hoops you have to jump through to make them practical to the average user. ICE, BEVs and HEVs are just easier as they are already past that point.

@Somebodystolemyusername 21 день назад

Multiple fuel solutions are nice and all, but it's still a highly complex combustion engine with lots of moving parts. More complexity = higher costs. I'd bet an EV with a small backup hydrogen motor to charge the battery might be an interesting option.

@gregarnot5066 22 дня назад

Rule of thumb For every 10C increase in temperature, corrosion rates double Hydrogen runs very hot. What effect does that have on material strength and endurance See The Arrhenius equation describes the temperature dependence of reaction rates: k = A e^{\frac{-E_a}{RT}}

@berkesattila5914 22 дня назад

It is warm enough in my 30 yo. Toyota Celica 2.0 Gt, yet - corrosion or no corrosion - with over 400 000 kilometers in it, with the minimal maintenance, it has been working flawlessly... though, no doubt, my 2023 Tesla M3LR is another ballgame... anyway, just saying...

@hanselgelid2500 21 день назад

Isn't the combination small/cheap/light battery, fast refueling and long range capabilities an interesting option if for example the new nuclear which produces H2 as a byproduct becomes a success? Guessing the "traditional engine" runs on optimal RPM or not at all.

@phazyy 22 дня назад

The agricultural pressure to produce biodiesel will not be better than high performing batteries (reduced degradation, fast charge, reusability, etc).

@ntsecrets 11 дней назад

Thermally efficient multi fuel engine would have been great 20 years ago. Sounds like Polavision. And EVs are the VHS cameras already available.

@FishyMushroomz 22 дня назад

If only would Toyota put this much effort into making great EV's instead. This is really getting ridiculous...

@kebuhrogers 22 дня назад

Toyota keeps announcing stuff that never hits the market. And yet everyone says that about Tesla. At least Tesla announced products usually arrive, several years late but they arrive.

@silasbendix4964 22 дня назад

This reminds me of the story of Samuel Vauclain, chairman of Baldwin locomotives. In the 1930s, he claimed that steam trains would be able to compete with diesel until the 1980s. The company went defunct in 1951.

@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 22 дня назад

Market Leader Blindness, allied to 'Senior Executive Blindness' is a well understood subject of study at business schools. It's cause is complex but it is basically mass self-delusion where those working within a big organisation are smoking their own stuff. Toyota could well turn out to be the biggest victims of this organisational condition. They are already carrying more debt than any other company on the planet (around $200 billion), which at the moment isn't so much of a problem as they continue to do well with hybrids. But just as we have gone past peak diesel and peak petrol, peak hybrid has either passed or is about to pass in many global markets. The decline of Toyota if it persists in pushing the hydrogen nonsense will be ugly.

@ISuperTed 22 дня назад

Personally I think it’s great Toyota have produced (well, previewed) some great new Hydrogen technology. It’s good that development is on-going. The big problem (and it’s the same with BEV to a lesser extent) is the infrastructure. People seem to think you can just replace existing petrol stations with Hydrogen and everyone just carries on with the model ICE had of going to a station to fill up. It won’t work. Hydrogen to produce, transport and store on site is massively difficult. Look at the few stations around the world and the cost of Hydrogen to fill up, it’s huge. Toyota say nothing about how, where and how much it will cost to use/run, just about the engines. Sorry this is DOA.

@mrgc744 21 день назад

To answer your question; No, I can't see this technology taking off. I can't see other major auto makers who have decided to pursue EVs to then spend billions more offering EVs, ICE, current hybrids, and now hydrogen hybrids; it's insane

@user-xn9it8df3s 20 дней назад

Yes the infrastructure in the USA for EVs in not robust enough they need to invest more in that field to make buying and using those vehicles more practical Hydrogen vehicles are a work in progress and a lot more needs to be done but Toyota has a lot of money so they’re still in the fight

@Joe44944 22 дня назад

They're going to come up with/ a better flip phone in hope of beating my iPhone 15. Sure thing it's a winner.

@user-yh6xf3wl1h 21 день назад

They may have been working on hydrogen engines for 40 years but they have been working on trying to perfect battery powered vehicles for over 100 years!

@Onwrikbaar 13 дней назад

I'm sure hydrogen has great potential in industry and perhaps in large ships. For passenger cars it does not stand a chance against the convenience and efficiency of electricity.

@alibro7512 22 дня назад

Did they mention the hydrogen range of their ICE's? If they produce that much heat then they will be even less efficient than petrol or diesel but hydrogen takes up much more space..

@johnlodge8546 22 дня назад

Correct, with the amount of storage space used for hydrogen in a Mirai. You could drive at most 80 to 100 Miles using a Hydrogen combustion engined vehicle. Imagine explaining to somebody a Hydrogen combustion engine vehicle would need to be filled up every day or other day at $240 dollars to drive 100 miles. Yeah, that will sell.

@Tesla.tricks 22 дня назад

When I was a teenager, I remember Bmw and many companies having a hydrogen concept, I had a gut feeling that one day hydrogen will be future and that fossil fuel preventing it from succeeding. Fast forward 2.5 decades and the same concepts are still presented with some cars actually produced but are all a flop. Flops happen when a car or the idea behind the car is a failure. “Hydrogen, is a fool’s errand ..” !! I personally just thinking there’s a hydrogen tank under my seat isn’t confidence inspiring.

@summerchina6568 22 дня назад

Today's MBA students study why Kodak went bankrupt. 15 years later, students will do the same with Toyota.

@sdickinson5234 21 день назад

The energy released by burning hydrogen or using it in a fuel cell is equal to the energy used to generate the hydrogen. It's not a perpetual motion machine. It's like ethanol.

@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC 21 день назад

Interesting they are taking down hydrogen stations here. No one uses them.

@Melpheos1er 10 дней назад

You have to give credit to Toyota, they made the most impressive list of vaporware

@IndigenousEarthling101 22 дня назад

One reason China and America will likely soon dominate the global EV market is that both nations have encouraged and supported EV only startups. In America, these include Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, Canoo, Aptera, Telo and a few others that are actually producing and selling EVs or plan to do so shortly. In China These include BYD, Neeta, Nio, Xpeng, Li Aito, and hundreds of other EV startups. Most European EV startups have already filed for bankruptcy. Japanese EV startups appear non-existent. I applaud small EV startups like Zacua Motors, Wahu Mobility, and larger successful startups like Gogoro and Vinfast producing and selling EVs elsewhere in the world.