Toyota's Supra Gets More (And Less) Power For 2021 

Thanks for an intelligent and mature comment! It's refreshing.🍻

It seems you’ve never heard a honda cbx with an aftermarket exhaust

I haven’t heard the QV yet, just it’s much, much tamer four popper cousin, and yes, I have heard the F-Type, but I’m still partial to Jaguar’s classic inline-6 engines as well. They’re far more charismatic and definitely more lively.

That’s highway robbery. You can get more power in an Accord for $16k less

@@Jaymac720 But you are still in an Accord.

Honda haven't sold the Accord in Europe for 5 years.

Meanwhile in the Philippines, we only get the GR Supra with the 3.0L engine & it costs almost US$100,000 when converted from PHP.

@@Jaymac720 or civic si.

Agreed.

production too low...

Good question. My econobox has a manual, I can't imagine a sports car without one.

they are just being lazy they could easily restrict it to1000-2000 preorders, just lazy in fact the upcoming frs/brz manual slightly modified or bmw's should easily work. heck even the corolla can be had with a manual, but not their sports car. the manual is about more than 0-60 launch control, it is about man/machine interaction and driving pleasure that no auto can come close too, and they should put a manual handbrake in there too, this is one sports car where it's not too fast so you can actually use all of it's power/handling at legal speeds, or most of it and never have to take it to the track.

The 3 liter turbo should be called the Celica because it is no Supra.

I'm sure you'll be able to buy aftermarket carbon fiber replacements that save 2.7 grams and increase rigidity by .004% for only a couple of grand if you prefer.

Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing. Cut on chop saw, flatten ends of tubes, drill holes: Done. Toyota will probably sell you them for $200.

But it should be about the cars not the phones though... right?

@@MrMrLck yeah but phone integration should count as basic feature, still BMW hasn't figured out how to add Android Auto yet.

@@MrMrLck Deal killer for me and super lame by them

That’s a horrible looking dated infotainment system anyway.

Get an iPhone, they last longer with a minimum of 5 years update support, and significantly higher resale value. It doesn't even have to break the bank the new iPhone SE is $400 and as far as performance goes it smokes any android phone with its A13 chipset.

One of my concerns about the car but I hear there are easy / cheap fixes that in the aftermarket

absolutely not.

Bet when they dyno it, it is 300 hp or right at it. Itll be underrated like the other car

That turbo 4 would make the same power as a non turbo 6 if not more

Nahhh would be too slow. Turbo 4 makes plenty and weighs less

Joseph...No surprise though. They don't offer the manual on the 3 Series with this engine either. Wish they did!

@Joseph Romano I thought it was a given that the 4cyl Zupra would be 6 forward...? Oh well...😔

50k vs 70k and a guess of 40k vs 40k. Depends on what u want.

Carboy Dorifuto party get a base corvette for less than 60k.

@Benny Ang C8 any day of the week, No contest!!!! 👍🏼

@@YusufGinnah C8 is an amazing car but midengine is brand new territory for GM, who has total shit service- notoriously the worst of all "american" manufacturers. in America, everyone and their mom has corvettes- they're very common here. once we get past this initial phase of the C8 being pricegouged and backordered, there will be many out there, just like all the other corvettes. C8 is probably the best bang for your buck overall sportscar out there- its the world's cheapest supercar... which is a good thing, I think, but could also be a bad thing, depending on how it proves out over time (quality issues, mass production, GM being GM). The Corvette is $20k more than a similarly equipped Supra... no one is buying an 1LT at 60k as it comes with absolutely nothing; people will be buying at least the 2LT for 68k. You want the performance suspension and dampers with electronic calibration and michellin pilot sport run flats, and better cooling? That's another $6k. The Supra already comes with all of that at $54k and now the Corvette is $74k. GM significantly strips down the Corvette to advertise a "low starting price" of $60k. That said, the Supra handles like a dream and competes with $100k Porsches (the Porsche is still a better sportscar though). A Supra will turn more heads than a corvette, at least here in the US where we see vettes every single day. I haven't driven a C8 yet, but the Supra feels much better than a C6 or C7.

toyota loss a lot of profit so doubt it will show up for a few year

@@campkira it's been confirmed 2nd gen brz

Its a gas car vs a electric. Stop comparing apples vs oranges.

Budget Boost DIY I’d also much prefer a turbo 4 cyl because it’ll respond to tuning better. Also the B48 sounds straight nasty with just a resonator and muffler delete🔥

140k miles on my F150 twinturbo v6 ecoboost and still waiting about that "more to maintain and repair" you speak of. I think a lot of people just fear monger from what they heard about vehicles in the 80s/90s.

What do you mean by terrible reliability? It's not like you see them falling out of the sky, people are still driving, maintaining and repairing them.

I beg to differ. Pretty much all German cars are unreliable. The gimmick is that because they are also so overpriced, german car customers have money so they just pay the dealerships to fix them. If you want to know real pain, own a german car past the warranty.

I’m still having issues with my 2010 335i BMW , electronic issues mostly and very expensive for example the ABS system, charge pipe cracked, replaced rotors and brakes , injectors, coils etc It has 40,000 miles now I like the Supra but I don’t think I’ll buy it

Yeah, a major part of German car "longevity," is that the richer owners can just throw money at the problems. The people I know (normal middle-class and lower folks) that saved and bought into the German car hype either have had to sell their cars, trade them in, or just drive a car with electrical issues and leaks. Toyota made Subaru add extra injectors that would intermittently wash the valves to prevent carbon build-up that plagues direct injection engines on the 86 and BRZ. I haven't heard anything about this BMW engine being given any Toyota ingenuity to keep it more reliable than any other unreliable German engine.

I agree with you thats why there is so many used bmws for sale

Lexus had noting to do with this. It was Toyotas idea to do this.

There are internet rumors about the next gen Lexus IS featuring a BMW in-line 6.

Sam Serr I’ve heard that too. Let’s just hope that Toyota makes BMW better, rather than let it turn into a Fiat-Chrysler or Nissan-Renault situation

They're making a i6 for 1 car which they said would've jumped it's price right over 100k. In mazdas case their making their i6 for more than one car compared to what Toyotas doing.

So, people are bitching about the current Supra that completely blows all previous iterations of the Supra and its Yamaha engine out of the water, because its heavily derived from a German platform? You're whining about something completely intangible and irrelevant; its an amazing car. You're just a negative side effect of modern society's toxic culture.

so a 2,3 ecoboost mustang for the same amount of unreliability & $$$$$ less

@@martinmartin5904 lmao I'd buy a bmw supra before I'd buy the ecoboom mustang

@@IReahpZz Since it will be necessary to take a subscription with the dealers for repairs , choose those who are more numerous

So true, if you have the money who cares about reliability. That is why JLR is still in business. If it breaks just have dealer take care of it and get a loaner car. When lease is up, get a new car.

Swaminathan SP exactly !! See my post

Or more importantly ... a body

@1g2002541 👍🏼 I thought BMW did away with the spare tires a while ago... And fit them with 'run-flat' rubber? Either way, it does look impractical and shallow.👍🏼

tire plug kit beats a spare tire the overwhelming majority of the time and it weighs nothing/takes up no space.. in the highly unlikely event you have a total blowout, you call for a tow truck- its a sports car.

still a bmw tho lol

Wilfred Norman Lol, what did you expect, size wise? You picked a tiny car!

@@daytonasayswhat9333 Yup, it is tiny, but I guess it's not Miata territory though! As for what I would buy? That would be a Challenger Hellcat! I can fit in that thing! lol

You must have fell asleep. Didn't you see the yellow car?

It is made in a Honda factory.

It's engineered by Honda.

The Swinton factory is closing. Anyone know where the factory is moving?

​@@rightlanehog3151 As opposed to what? Besides, is the Ford Focus ST/RS truly an American performance vehicle? It's was designed/engineered & made in Germany, for that market, tuned for racing there. Heck, it's made in a Ford factory.

@@amazoidal The last I heard was (most logically) to their existing Civic facilities in Indiana, Ohio or Ontario, Canada.

Is that a huge concern? I'm sure it'll be about the same as current BMW's which isnt terrible, so I'd be happy to have such a fun vehicle at the partial detriment of a few extra hours here or there in maintenance or repairs way down the line.

as much as BMW...

It should achieve typical Broke My Wallet levels of reliability.

@@rightlanehog3151 well there's a ton of them voiding their warranties so reliability isn't too muvh of their concern.

They're keeping it i6.

Unlikely.

MJ DGI agreed. If it was based off the RC or LC, it would be a hot seller

@@naveenthemachine no it'd be in the same position as them both not selling well and being too heavy.

Toyota wasn't going to waste billions on one car since they didnt have any cars nor platforms that supported a i6. And they didnt want to risk the car costing over 100k so they went to bmw since they're the only ones who knew how to make a tunable i6 with a decent platform which they did and made the mk5.

@Novice MTBer 👍🏼 Agreed! The excuse that they couldn't afford to produce a sports car on their own is a weak excuse. There are many smaller manufacturers out there, putting out their own sports cars in the $60k region. Think mid-engined, completely new design C8... So yeah, I think it was just an opportunity to be A LOT more profitable, at the expense of Toyota purity

@@carboydorifutoparty3976 I've said this before and I'll say it again... I have nothing against this car. I think a Toyota/BMW joint venture to develop a sports car to share costs is a good idea. My main problem is calling it Supra. I don't have a problem with that car if it was called anything else. I'm old enough to see how Supra evolved and for the most part Toyota stuck to the same basic formula. A true Supra has history. The Toyota/BMW creation represents nothing of what Supra was. Those who are familiar with the iconic Supra want a Supra, not just a car with a Supra badge on it. As for not wanting to "waste" billions to develop a new platform to support i6. They don't have to develop a new platform just for an i6 engine. Their new 2.0L i4 just proved that. They're not limited by the platform of what the Z4 offers. Besides, that's the wrong platform for a Supra to begin with because Supras has always been a 2+2, never a 2-seater. It always offered a manual gearbox. Toyota has a lot more cash than Porsche so if Porsche can still offer a manual gearbox, so can Toyota. Toyota just chooses not to. I'm sure the new Supra will be successful because there will be buyers who don't care about the name heritage of the name or the pure driving experience of a standard gearbox but there are also plenty of those like me who do care. They'll sell the new Supra, just not to me.

Chris Eaton I was thinking that too. Wait till the dealership mechanics are forced to fix German garbage.

they found a product to keep the maintenance department busy

@@kipamore well people are modding the crap out of these so reliability is the least of their concern.

Porsche makes great cars. That said, I feel like they all have the same bland look they've had since time immemorial. Yeah, the 911 is a classic and I think holds that well, but visually the boxster/cayman are hard to get excited about. I understand that's their primary demographic, old guys who can afford and want their timeless, unchanging cars. Setting aside the fact that you need to drop 15-20k extra just to get a Porsche with some modern features you would have expected closer to the base price, they all look the same. Germans are very hard headed, but I think Porsche would do well to think about giving their individual vehicle lines more unique characterization instead of such subtle differences. Yes, I know they get some guy with a German accent spewing pages of the subtle nuisances on each model's visuals, but unless you're a hardcore Porsche fan, they all look the same.

American stuff is low quality so you can’t compare them.

Dont know why because they are comparing stock cars vs modded. Stock for stock and this car walks all over an mk4. People can laugh all day but then again most people are stupid

@@jrvbamafan1 good to see you don't know what you are talking about. When the stock MKIV came out, it was 1,000 times more impressive in it's day, in it's market than this new abomination is. The legendary Japanese tuners already know the new Supra is shit.

BMW considers it a different engine. The Supra had the B58B30C before and now it has a B58M30O1

@@AAutoBuyersGuide Oh ok. I was watching a few other videos, they all said it was the same but I'm assuming they didn't dig that deep. But I definitely like 👍 your review. I apologize if I was wrong about the motor and please don't think i was trying to diss your video. I'm not at all.

@@AAutoBuyersGuide also yes your completely right. The videos I was watching was from a while ago. They are a different engine. Thats gotta piss ppl off lol. Not that its the biggest deal but it would kinda upset me.

It is still a B series engine though. Not sure how many changes would be made, but it is the same architecture BMW uses for almost all of their cars. At this point the B series has been in production for at least six years, which is a good thing as an older engine platform will have more of its problems sorted.