@RF-it7uv see this is the thing, people say all this bad stuff happens to or in their tesla, and i've owned one for 2 years so far and nothing bad has happened, don't even see the "panel gaps" everyone freaks out about
I would love to see a race to Vegas in the quote unquote worse EV's (Vf8, bZ4x, ID4, Bolt EUV) loved the race back doing what the cars said was very fun and interesting
@@markfitzpatrick6692 I understand how you feel but I always find the tesla addition interesting considering they are the bench mark but I don't think we need to add it
Went from an aging 2013 Model S to a 2024 Solterra Limited about a month ago. Consistently get 3.7mi per kWh (about 240mi of range) with the climate always going, zero phantom drain while parked, and peaks out at 88kW all the way up to 60% while charging. These vehicles fall short on paper, but exceed in the real world IMO. I know most people are going to defend a $50k purchase they've committed to, but honestly from someone who's had 3 EV's in the last 10 years. I really do love this car.
If you can charge at home and never plan to road trip they are probably fine cars. But I'd be really concerned about Toyota's commitment to them, and their ability to service them, and if they bother to update the software at all over time. My guess is in 5 years this car will be long forgotten by Toyota.
I’m glad it works for you but 88 kW charging is a joke. I went from 32 to 85% in my Ioniq5 today in 22 minutes. Toyota needs to match or beat that if they want to get serious. Current Toyota EV’s and their sister cars seem only useful if you can charge at home and you never take a trip. Then they are probably fine.
toyota is running ads in the US saying "toyota has the most electrified vehicles in america" which feels intentionally misleading for a company that has one true EV, and whose CEO has been openly against EVs.
@@nyc90 well there is a difference between electrified and all electric and Toyota is accurate. They are the pioneer with the Prius and now all there cars will be at least hybrid and some phev. Don’t fight against them be glad people have choice. I got my 2012 Prius plug in because I couldn’t afford a 80,000 model s and later I got a 3 year old leaf because it was 13000 and there wasn’t any choice at the time. Other evs were compliance cars only in California or zev states
Hybrids are not EV's; they don't belong in the same category. Electrified vehicles is not a useful term for consumers- rather it's intentionally confusing.
That's the whole point of marketing terms like "HEV". It's to get the EV badge on it for marketing purposes without it actually being an EV. I always like to refer to them as High Emissions Vehicles.
I love it. I have a Prius and have had 2 Camry’s a solara and 2 Priuses . Tesla has problems I never had to take my Toyota in for problems no panel gaps. I love hearing from non spoiled Tesla people that all they can see is Tesla .
Everyone is obsessed with the "carbon cost" of a vehicle, but never seem to think about other chemicals and particulates coming out of the tailpipe. BEVs don't create local emissions, a major health concern for breathing humans.
I have had the Limited AWD BZ4X for over 2 years and have almost 45,000 miles on it. I am still on the original tires and brake pads. The tires will probably need to be replaced in a year though, before the rains come. The range is still exactly the same, no degradation at all. I get an average of 3.5 miles per kw. My commute to work is about 120 miles one way. If I can't charge it at work because there are a ton of Tesla Model 3's hogging the L2 chargers, I DC fast charge at an EVGO station for free for about 20 minutes to get home. The car is wonderful to drive, it is comfortable and spacious. Easy enough to find chargers w/ the EVGO app that is integrated w/ Android Auto (my default navigation). Now this is not my only car. Its sole purpose is to go to work and shuttle my kids around town. It is perfect for that. I wouldn't road trip it, mainly because in certain areas, EVGO and EA stations are spotty. I wouldn't buy one (any EV) if I lived in areas with severe winters. All EVs gets hammered when it is freezing. I am in California - so it made sense. Just like with any other Toyota, they are configured to be very conservative. I am sure it can be charged faster, have more bells to compete w/ the rest but I don't think Toyota is trying to compete with the rest. They are providing a product, another option, to their customers.
I don’t think it’s nitpicking about the car roasting your phone and bouncing it all over creation while you drive. That’s like one of the key features of a car along with where the cup holder is. The interior of the car is one of the most important pieces, that’s the part you interact with. Toyota really is blowing it though. Such a disappointment they made no significant changes.
@@markfitzpatrick6692, oh... so it's too much of a challenge for an auto manufacturer to use a different material, namely one that was rubbery and would prevent the phone from sliding and bouncing around, and too difficult to make it a tray instead of an enclosed box so that the phone doesn't cook inside it, or at least add an escape route for the charging cord to exit the box that the phone sits in? It wasn't just one thing... it was three, and not dumb things to pick out. They are basic user experience items that are dumb for the MANUFACTURER not to resolve.
Dude your videos are really great. Your takes are well thought out, and I do appreciate the little production quality flavours you add (music and drone footage). Kyle needs to get you doing more solo shoots!
The gauge cluster is perfect in my Solterra, but that's because it has a squared off top so it doesn't block it at all and you can have the wheel a bit higher if wanted. It's odd that Toyota didn't go with the same steering wheel for the bZ4X
I have its Subaru version the Solterra premium and absolutely love it. I’m leasing it for $213 a month for 36 months at 12k a year couldn’t pass the great lease deal up. I home charge it on my off grid solar panels and have a 12 mile commute daily so it fits my needs perfectly. I needed AWD for where I live so it works perfectly for my lifestyle. We use Subaru’s complementary rental ice car if we need to travel outside the area, so no problem traveling.
I work at a Toyota dealership and I leased a 2024 bZ4X Limited AWD a month ago because the leasing deal was good, specially for me that I had around $3,000 of employee discount besides the high rebate. I chose a 15.000 mile lease btw, and I charge level 2 at the dealership for free, also I have a on call job where I can also charge for free. I've been getting constant 230-245 miles of range or around 3.9 kW/h mixed between AC on/off and the only two times I fast charged it took 30-35 minutes to 80% and 1 hour to 100%, I remember seeing 90 kW and 75 kW DC charging speeds. For the record, I live in Madison WI and I'm not planning to road trip this vehicle further away than Milwaukee, Chicago or similar distance.
Poor review! “Has good software!” No. “It’s a fine car!” No. “If you get the front wheel drive version and home charging, it’s doable” That’s just poor justification. “They BX4X are actually good cars” No they are not. “It’s a fine car” No it’s not The reviewer try’s to justify all of its shortcomings rather than give a balanced review. He does point out the many shortcomings but plays them down. Poor review.
We need a range test of the new Model 3, Long Range, RWD. Based on other range ratios (advertised, vs real world highway range) it seems it might be able to do 290-300 miles on a single charge.
Welcome to my part of the world. I drive by the Toyota HQ almost daily. Not a fan of their full EV offerings. I am trying to talk my wife into a R1t to complement our Jeep 4Xe.
Ford released a statement today that they are reducing their focus on EV's to retail buyers, and focusing more on corporate customers: “Commercial customers focus on total cost of ownership,” he said. “They use the vehicles much more intensely, and they do not overbuy batteries like retail customers do." The BZ4X's usable battery capacity isn't largest, and thus it's range isn't the highest around - but it doesn't have to be. I think influencers are mostly responsible for convincing people they need 90+ kWh batteries and 400 miles of range for the next 10 mile trip to Costco.
They still don’t have a clue. It’s actually called self sabotage. The limitation on how many times you can charge a day is a massive red flag. Glad I own Teslas. 😅
Reliability is the reason I’ve owned so many Toyotas. Their conservative engineering is a primary reason for that reliability. That said, making just one BEV that is only a local driver but costs $50k seems weird. They don’t seem to be serious. Hopefully they’ll prove me wrong.
Toyota isn't serious....yet. They are waiting for their solid state batteries to be ready so they can offer a reliable car with great range and super fast charging (so lack of infrastructure isn't a concern). Until then, they will turn their entire lineup into hybrids. I just bought a Toyota hybrid and I'm getting 40 mpg and over 470 miles of range.
Toyota got caught in between the BEV transmission and in reality they had it right but as most of us know hybrids are great but not the answer nor are they nearly as fun to drive and are still a pain to maintain not to mention massive oil consumers with gas and oil changes...
There’s an unconventional reason - you can only get a new NY For Hire Vehicle license if it’s an EV, and the Teslas take too long to take delivery. Autopian has a good article on it
The FWD has much improved range and charging in the states. It’s actually usable. The base model fwd is in my opinion the one to get. 250 useable miles. 220 at 70mph in good weather. 0-80 in 35 is easy. No thermal issues.
I wish they made the second Prius BEV so people had the between the hybrid or the BEV version of the car or at least made their C-HR into one to compete against the Chevy's Bolt.
Well seeing how the other makers are suffering with their EV sales, I would say Toyota did a very good job predicting EVs would not sell as well. The technology is not there yet for the general American public to accept. I have had a Camry hybrid since 2013, and at the time, the public was so scared still of hybrids, though the mpg was amazing. Telling them to drive an EV with less range, is gonna be a tough sell. I have had a 2024 BZ4X for over a month and think it is an amazing car. It doesn’t take long to charge at all. Ppl exaggerate so much. I find the car so zippy and accelerates so quickly. I’m not trying to race anyone so I guess I don’t understand most of these reviewers from non owners
Given limited EV capabilities I was not considering bz4x but lease deals it is worth a look Effective price is about $29,000 for front wheel drive limited
I think Toyota is wrong in the long-term. Short term hybrid make more sense for a lot of people. But in 10 years I think EV’s will have a huge cost advantage and there will be enough places to charge them that they will work well for at least half of the new car market, if not more. Plus there’s the inconvenient truth that yesterday was probably the warmest day ever recorded on this planet. We cannot keep a burning stuff. The consequences are going to be horrendous. The only current way you can run cars without burning stuff is on electricity that’s from green energy sources. We have to stop burning oil ASAP.
4:50 - The Mirais showing up in random places likely aren't due to "enthusiasts" bringing them - they're because they're vehicles being sold at auction, and some random dealership has no idea what it is and bought it sight-unseen. Trade-ins are almost always sold at auction rather than kept by the dealership you traded it in to. It's silly. There's a BMW dealership here in town that was one of the nation's top sellers/leasers of the i3. When the vehicles went off-lease or were traded in, they got sold at auction, regardless of condition. And the ones they sold used were likewise _bought_ at auction. So even though I saw an i3 being turned in from a lease in _great_ shape, and wanted it; nope, I couldn't just wait the couple days for the clean-and-refurbish; _that_ one was being sold to some other random dealer; I'd have to wait for one from half the country away to show up that the local dealer bought at auction. Those Mirais are similar. Some random dealership bought it at auction, had it shipped to them, and…. now they have no idea what to do with it.
A long way from 16 dedicated BEVs still, but remember they've already got several, they're just mostly light commercial vehicles... The bZ4x and Lexus RZ sibling, there's the China only bZ3 being joined by the bZ3x and bZ3c, then they've got 5 BEV vans (possibly just re-badged, but they're still going to count them). That's 10 already, which doesn't sound so bad. And if you assume they'll release a Toyota and Lexus version of each new BEV, then they're 3 BEV launches away from hitting that target. (They might have more commercial BEVs, I'm just counting the ones in the UK) Edit: forgot Lexus had that terrible UX, that's 11 BEVs they sell.
I think Toyota like Honda are just being cautious and waiting to see how the EVs play out and don’t want to fully commit to it yet. Toyota just made the Camry hybrid only and I’ve heard the RAV4 is next to go hybrid only. I think they’re heading in a good direction, as far more people are open to a hybrid than a full electric.
@@ricky4673 ah yes, companies wanting to make products that will lose them money. Just think about how ridiculous that idea is. It's more that companies like Toyota aren't as confident in EVs being the next big thing as much as the current hype bandwagon. Look at things like folding phones which for 20 years were seen as the future, yet even now that they're out they're incredibly niche and relegated to the luxury market. Same with VR where things like the Vision Pro or Bigscreen Beyond are in the thousands of dollars. So far EVs that are selling haven't broken out of that cycle either. It's a foolish idea to make a fully bespoke factory for a product that may no actually take off. I mean just look how everyone made the EV factories and now the sales have started plateauing already. I think EVs are obviously the future, but it's clear to see the mainstream have not agreed on that. And now look, we're mocking a brand for not trying hard enough. I know we always make fun of them saying how Nokia died from not innovating, but there's also the other side of companies like RCN who died from making too many new things that didn't take off. Like how they worked for 20 years on the capacitive disk only for another department making the VHS making those 20 years of development a total waste.
@@simonpaine2347 As I said, innovation isn't a guaranteed success. RCN destroyed themselves from the inside from too much innovation destroying their other products. Innovation is not a one way road to success, it can also be the worst possible mistake. Nintendo tends to be seen as a great example of innovation always being great, Nintendo has a very rough history compared to Sony. Sony is probably the most sterile of the big three yet have yet to sell a system less than 100 million units other than the PSP and Vita, which both still sold as much as the Nintendo 3DS. In comparison Nintendo's N64, Gamecube, and Wii U all sold rather horribly even though they were extremely innovated. N64 even had better 3D rendering than the PS1 and rumble support, but that didn't matter. The Wii U was also a really amazingly made system that even shared the full Wii library and virtual game libraries could be transfered to it. They even put a Wii sensor in the gamepad so you could play the Wii without a TV. You can only end up like Nokia if the products are clear superior, like yeah the Vision Pro is amazing, but it's nowhere near capable of replacing the smartphone like some claimed. Plus current battery improvements being great while used to market EVs for now, is honestly bad for them. If batteries continue to get increasingly better as much as they say current EVs will not retain their value. Would anyone want a 10 year old EV if it only has half the range of the newest ones even when it was new? This is a major contributor to EV sales slowing down.
I wonder if the 3 DC charges in a day resets at midnight or if it's 24 hours from the first charge. I talked to someone who was traveling from Minneapolis to Denver in one of these and they were only charging at 14kW because they had done more than the 3 session in a day. Hertz needs to make sure their customers understand the capabilities of the EV they are renting.
I am a contractor working at Hertz and didn't even know that. Good thing I have only ever seen 1 Solterra that got one-wayed from Denver. Kansas City has moved most of their ev's to HLE's but still has a handful of polestar 2's, rwd ev6's, 1 awd ev6 from denver, a few nero's, a couple bolts, and some Volvo c40's (what I rent). I'm so glad the CEO got fired for that fiasco. Customers hate the things and who can blame them? Most corporate travelers and all leisure travelers have no desire to dick around charging their rental car.
I have seen a number of BZ’s as taxi cabs in New York City. There must be incentives or they are durable EV’s? If the vehicle was a $32k EV it would be fine but not at $50k.
In most cars, if you're using your phone to record video and also using carplay it won't be smooth. Carplay is very smooth and snappy in the bZ4X when you're not recording video. I believe it's a limitation of iPhone and shouldn't be viewed as a negative of the vehicle itself
I actually really like the top mounted guage cluster. I drive the 23 Prius and honestly it's the best location I've ever had a speedometer in any car I've owned. I still can't believe Tesla doesn't at least have a HUD with how the only display is off to the right as it's just too distracting to me as an easily distracted person. I still wouldn't buy a bZ4x though. I'm not into bigger cars and my daily commute is too long for it to make it consistently being 180 mile round trip, with detours 190 and in the north east. Kinda just wish Toyota would make an electric version of the Prius as many thought they were gonna. Don't personally care much for software, I use Android Auto all the time and that can be however I want it and I rarely drag my navigation or type on the display. If I need to type I'll use my phone before I get in the car which is just so much faster. Plus a lot of these software features are paid subscriptions that I will never have. Tesla only even gives the free maps for 8 years according to policy.
Here's a GENEROUS comparison to the Tesla Model 3 LR RWD: BZ4X (depending on trim) has the same cargo capacity, 111-119 miles less range, 20-30% slower charging, no rear screen, $900 higher average 10-year maintenance/repair cost (by brand), 3-8 fewer speakers, 1-3 fewer subs, 1 fewer amp, general warranty covers 1 year/14k miles less, drivetrain warranty covers 3 years/60k miles less, slower, no FSD, all for $10k HIGHER price... Completely insane. And if you really need SUV clearance, the comparison to the Model Y is similar, just with way more cargo space and no rear screen and worse audio (since MY hasn't yet been updated). The one caveat is that here's a HUGE disparity between the buy and lease prices and I can't make sense of it. The lease prices on the Toyota website look great - better than Tesla - but then I look at any of the advertised dealer leases and they're 60-100% higher and say they require $20k down-payment! WtF is this?
Stupid name but I found the 2024 to be rather decent. Its there for Toyota Loyalists who want an EV but also know the brand will be there in 10 years.. Toyota is an extremely conservative company As for their strategy? Meh its a stock driven company. While some might say its the wrong approach but from a shareholder perspective they are offering great value.
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I would still buy this EV, but it is not available in my country. But it is sad, how the Japanese car manufacturers are still behind.
Yup, Nissan was in a great position 10 years ago with the Leaf being one of the first cheap EVs actually worth buying. Then they just kind of forgot about it and now they're in the same position as every other Japanese car manufacturer...
Range and Charging kill this vehicle. 205 mile on 100% in summer. My company vehicle gets about 130 on a full charge in winter. If I charge it to only 80% (as recommended), I cannot make round trip to and from work (approx 90-100 miles). So for people with shorter drives this does drive very well. Anyone with longer drives or people who wants to also use it for road trips, look elsewhere. Home charging is also slower but good enough for overnight charging.
I've been driving my bZ4x for a year now and I'm still loving it. Comfort and quality were most important and the Toyota won in every case. I was uncomfortable driving other cars from the infotainment screen and I determined I wouldn't use two thirds of the features they had. Fit and trim on the Toyota is exceptional.
@@Polymathes Like it or not but this car was born out of the idea of "we need to make an EV to prove nobody wants them". Toyota had no interest in making it and only did it to drive their hybrid sales.
Agreed that the Tesla requires too much torque on the wheel to clear the nag...BUT you can roll either of the clickwheels on the the steering wheel to clear the nag as well...
I've owned 2 Prius, a 2008 Prius with averaged 35-36 MPG, and 2013 Prius "V" (VEE, not 5) averaged 31-33 MPG. Loved both Prius. Then switched to 2018 Honda Clarity PHEV, real life MPG with city/highway averaged 137 MPG (charged every 2 days) to 199 MPG if charged daily at home with 120V outlet. I now own a 2022 Hyundai Tucson "N" line (DISAPPOINTED). Also now own a 2022 Toyota Venza averaged 35.7 MPG (amazing MPG at this size). Missed the Honda Clarity the most. Looking for a legit and good reason to go back to Toyota or a new Honda "PHEV". If no obvious reasonable choice out there, then probably pick up a 2025 Tesla Y or 2025 Toyota Crown Signia.
model y feels cheaper than a corolla inside. Unfortunately the BZ4x also feels cheap inside... They are 20000$ cars with a 20000$ battery sold for 50k. Just get a PHEV and run it full electric most of the time, with gas for longer trips. No range anxiety
@@Shiinamusiclyricssubs Absolutely agree on your perspective. My last 2018 Honda Clarity Touring interior was better than Acura. At full charge overnight on 120V, usable 45+ miles. Weekend on the go I would charge on 240V in garage about 2 hours and 30ish minutes for highways or shopping. I just wish Honda can focus to design a newer version of PHEVs. But for the meantime, likely 65% bet on the 2025 Toyota Crown Signia and 35% Model Y. (feel bad as a Tesla stock holder).
Wonder how the range is so low, and the price so high in the US? it's 55K (plus tx, minus incentives) in CAN$ for the XLE.. Range is around 260miles in Quebec, colder temp. Real question is.. that display Jordan, was made for the Drive By Wire steering wheel originally. When is THAT gonna be available? Then the display will make sense with that steering wheel! But for now.. yeah. Weird. Also, the 3 charge are 3 "Complete" cycle, meaning from 10 to 80%. Meaning "210%" total DC fast charging. You can potentially charge the car 5 times from 20 to 60 for example.. at 150kwh each time.. So if you know your route in advance, it's not hard really to plan for them. Cheers and thanks for the video!
I think this is a great buy for most people, it is a Toyota so it doesn't break down. Most people just need a car to commute, range is fine for a commute, fast charging is unnecessary and fast acceleration is only important if you are 16 year old or act like a 16 year old.
Except these bZ4Xs are having issues with the 12V dying overnight lol Also fast charging is extremely important, that and range are main factors of making a good EV and this car is trash at it, and the range sucks too.
They really should've purchased Fiskers tech suite. I really thought they were the one shopping. They have a midsize electric truck concept called EPU. Almost the same size as the Alaska truck Fisker had, with the same folding midgate. Folks keep saying it was Nissan. But I suspect it could've been Toyota.
You don’t have to torque the wheel in a Tesla. Just move your hands a lot around the wheel (fake turn it) and it will be fine. I just discovered this accidentally. Make a loose fist and move your right hand around the top of the wheel. It works! You don’t have to move the wheel at all!
I just can't imagine an America where the majority of drivers are in EV's. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think love it or hate it, hybrids and plug in's will play a role in reducing CO2 emissions for a while.
The bigger problem that they are not offering any help or software updated for 2023 owners who are stuck with the CATL battery and the very very slow charging.
If the bZ4X can manufacture and sell 10,000 units per month, the sales price can be reduced by 10%, and if it can sell 100,000 units, the sales price can be reduced by 20%. To achieve this, an EV manufacturing plant must be built and a supply chain for procurement of parts must be established. However, if contrary to expectations, the bZ4X sells only 3,000 units per month, Toyota will suffer huge losses. In fact, GM/Ford has lost billions of dollars due to poor EV sales. Toyota hopes to manufacture the bZ4X at its existing plant and sell it to early adopters of the bZ4X without investing in EVs. Unlike EV-only companies, Toyota will not go bankrupt even if 10,000 cars a year last 10 years thanks to hybrid Vehicle sales. I'm Japanese.
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lack of route planning, slow charging and shortage range is a big deal breaker.. Tesla model 3 which I own just kills this toyota...
I wana drop this complaint, we do not need more slow charge vehicles jamming up the limited number of chargers out their. i waited a long while in vegas for a bolt to charge up to full.. i was out in 10 minutes after that.
Owner for over a year of FWD. Its very comfortable ( way more than model Y). Everything works. Toyota navigation is good and does suggest charging points , but only when % gets low. It does lack preconditioning. I think its a good real world " ownership" car.
Haha... Toyota is like years behind cutting edge advancements. They choose to be that way - look at others, see what works, then put it in their cars. They are like driving yesterday's cars.
Depends where you are for EV %, in UK we have a ZEV mandate that requires a year-on-year increase on %age of EV vehicles sold each year. The 2024 no is 22% EV cars, 2030 it requires 80% BEV cars. ...It's the law!
International Energy Agency (IEA) Global EV Outlook 2024 - Forecasts USA 2030: 45% BEV sales share (55% total EV^ sales share) 2035: 58% BEV sales share (71% total EV^ sales share) World 2030: 35% BEV sales share (44% total EV^ sales share) 2035: 49% BEV sales share (55% total EV^ sales share) ^ All EVs includes BEVs, PHEVs and FCEVs.
I can't imagine Toyota trying to sell a Busy Forks to a longtime Toyota environmentalist buyer. "So, I'm on my fourth Prius, that I've loved road tripping in - and you finally have a mass market EV, sell me on it!" "Well…. You like road tripping in your Prius, with the Busy Forks you'll…. enjoy the frequent long breaks that are highly recommended when taking road trips!" The fact that my Rivian when towing a trailer is a better road tripper than the Busy Forks is ridiculous.
I nixed my 2023 Solterra order based on the terrible 0-100% charging test you guys did on the all-but-identical bZ4X. I want to see how this one does compared to that one. I also want to know how many times Toyota told you to use the word :"electrified™".
@@naveenthemachine Nah. Toyota did the smart thing and got BYD to make the drivetrains for their future EVs. Their bZ3 is already using a BYD made drivetrain and is a far better car than this thing.
Agreed. This IS a Toyota. Hoping they can kick and scream their way into fully BEVs. The biggest problem is to do so profitably. Tesla is so far ahead that they can plant a million trees in Germany AND still make a big profit. Lots love to all ❤❤❤
Hybrids are bought because of the safety in order to go to work.If the electric is down you can always drive on gas .Those who has two cars one of them will be a gas car and the other an EV.You have to get to work in the morning every day of the week and cannot rely on an EV and charging.EVs are not free from errors.
