Toyota bZ4X vs. Nissan Ariya: Which EV Should You Go For If You DON'T Want a Tesla? 

It's not all about Elon, some of us also think their interiors (especially the 3 and Y) feel chincy and hate the minimalist crap that only helps the company.

"Dealerships competing to lower prices" is like when a store sells a $15 shirt for $25, but tells you it was originally $50 so that you think you're getting a discount. If they weren't upcharging, they wouldn't have a business model.

Trick question. Just get a Hyundia Ioniq 5.

Wife and I both leased some Ariya Evolve+ AWD last month. ~2000 down, 250/mo (10k miles/yr) with Colorado tax credit. You can get the Engage much cheaper, but still a pretty nice deal.

I have an Ariya evolve + awd I got a smoking laser deal on. Tesla wasn’t even close! It’s so solid, if you haven’t actually driven one you have no room to comment. There are so many reasons I’d do it again compared to a model y right now.

get the Nissan if you must pick between these two. but there are much better options than both

Tommy is a great salesperson. After watching his videos, I think, "Man, I got to get one of those."

Just did BZ4X lease for wife. $119 a month using CT EV direct pay to dealer for down payment. We currently have Bolt EUV and this charges faster at all SOC.

I think leasing makes way more sense right now. You get the $7500 tax credit because leases are considered commercial for whatever reason. That pretty much covers the lease payments for the 3 years.

There was recently an article about the least expensive EV’s. It found that the Ariya was selling on average about 30% below MSRP. So a ~$51k Ariya is getting off the lot for closer to $40k. That’s a crazy good deal.

Was this a charity project or something?

Just leased a fed bz4x and could not be happier with it.

The aryia is slick

Thank you, they are great for what they are. They aren't the best at road trips but they're so much better built than Teslas. I have heard of Model 3 seats falling apart within the first 3 years/50,000kms. I got an amazing deal on a Subaru Solterra. I love it, it feeds my driving needs and with all of Toyota's experience with Hybrids I expect to have it for the next 20+ years.

Still enjoying my purchase of a new 2023 Bolt EUV in Colorado for $14,000. No mileage limit, Apple CarPlay, physical buttons, 250/260 mile range, heated front seats and steering wheel. Slow fast charging, but my main commutes are less than 60 miles per day.

Between these two the Ariya is the clear winner. Consistent flat charging curve, nice interior with gauges you can actually see, hands free expressway driving with ProPilot 2.0, and (subjectively) better looking

Leasing the Toyota for $129 in my area is pretty appealing. I already have an EV with actual fast charging.

Nice video. I hate when they talk about how cheap these vehicles can be, but then show the top-of-the-line trims. Be consistent. Either show the lower-specced vehicles, or talk about the higher prices charged for the top-of-the-line trims.

I agree Tommy. But props to the detail guy on the Nissan! That paint looks amazing.

Ariya all the way. People crap in these EVs, but they are the best value for money.

I think people underestimate the value of having a local dealer. A problem is more likely to be resolved by staff who actually have to face the customer.

Hell yeah!! I'm paying $365/month with ZERO down for 36 months on my bz4x. It's the price of a dinner with a family of 3 these days. 4WD model rock!! I love it.. charges slower than my Model Y but still get it done overnight. Drives smooth and fast. for the price I paid, just love it! been getting 250 miles on a full charge every time. not sure if it'll be the same during the winter time.

@ 6:18 Honestly, cool flat floor but there should be something blocking from anything going towards the accelerator and break pedal, So easy for something to rollover under those and cause a accident.

I took delivery of a 2024 BZ4X XLE model last week. I paid $500 down and the monthly payment is $266. It's a 3-year, 10,000 miles per year lease. Apparently, TM is offering such an incredible deal, most TM dealers are out of BZ4X in CA. TM also offers complimentary DC charging at EVGO for the initial year of ownership. To my understanding, there are no restrictions on the frequency of charging at EVGO stations. Nevertheless, the owner's manual advises against DC charging the BZ4X model more than three times per day. Moreover, EVGO stations are relatively scarce. I've encountered occasional glitches with the UI during Apple CarPlay usage. However, I find the vehicle comfortable, and the one-pedal driving option, despite being a point of contention for some, suits my driving style well, achieving up to 5 miles per kilowatt-hour efficiency. Among minor complaints are the insufficient brightness of the interior LED lights, lack of a glove box, small storage space in the first row, the annoying alarm sound when you are in reverse, subpar resolution of the backup camera, and the lack of illumination on the door lock/unlock buttons at night. Would I buy the car for $48,000 before tax and license? No. For that price, you can get a Blazer EV, a Bolt EV/EUV, a Model 3 refresh, or a Model Y. I am certain the next EV from TM will be vastly improved. The show has just begun for TM.

I've had my bZ4X for nearly half a year now, it's an awasome car.

Very eye opening, definitely an option for around town use, thanks Tommy

You guys are getting really good at your one. Take videos, Tommy, and Alex.🎉🎉❤❤

The lease is awful with a 5k mile a year limit.

I'm leasing a 2024 AWD XLE bZ4X for $230 a month for 36 months, with 2K down. Easy to charge at home and we have a CX-5 for long trips. It's perfect as a second car.

I really like the interior of the Ariya. A good balance between too minimalist and too busy.

We have a 2023 bZ4X Limited AWD. City dwellers, rarely drive freeway, charge at home, it's perfect for us. No range issues at all.

I like the Nissan because it offers the electric doggle to use at home. In my state, I have not seen charging stations anyway except for two at a retirement community. How long do electric car batteries last before they are replaced? Or do they last forever and not have to be replaced? For example, in my internal combustion car, my battery had to be replaced after 4 years. The previous battery I had in my car before the one replaced, lasted 6 years. The average battery life of an internal combustion car is 3 to 5 years.

Has anybody leased an FWD toyota in Arizona recently how many miles did you get on a 36 month lease ?

Recent ev adoption has shown us that a lot of folks are living in condo or apartments that do not have any charging options. With the heightened demand on the dc charging options I feel these cars are only worth it for a limited number of people.

1:37 : « Ariya in our Area » I loved that. Went to an Auto Show recently, I really liked the Ariya’s interior. I still prefer my 2018 Model 3 but hey, who knows.

Uh oh...musk fanboys are going to be upset. You are only allowed to mention the name to praise or worship.

Tommy I watch TFL videos because YOU and several of your colleagues on the channel are solid, good people!! -- Many of my friends and family are conscientious people that care about the environment and where they spend their money. I'm glad you made this video showing the many advantages of these cars as quite honestly none of us want a Tesla!!

Much nicer than my model 3.

I've been driving EVs & PHEVs for over a decade and not once have I ever used a DC fast charger other than for novelty purposes. Like most people, I charge at home/destinations, don't drive 200-300mi a day, and don't go on constant road trips. If I want to put 2,000 miles on a car for a road trip, I'll just rent someone else's ICE vehicle!

Nice to see proper reviews. The comments from trolls are a joke 😅

In Canada, we can only dream of these lease rates! The Subaru Solterra (bZ4X rebadged) commands over $400 per month...almost four times the amount quoted in the video.....

You forgot to say Ariya nissan has 2 glove compartments and also cones with heated seats as the Toyota. The Ariya comes with the cable to plug it in your house outlet 120v. I drove the model yY and didn't like it.

At the current lease offers out there, these are great cars. Was just quoted $324/month for 10k miles per year on an Ariya Evolve+ eForce - totally reasonable. These two cars only suck if you live in a youtube comment section and not the real world.

Tommy looks more and more like Roman every day.

I don't think ppl realize the range of the base Tesla cars arent that great

The Subaru Soltera (which is the same thing as the toyota) has some really low lease offers right now. If you don't need a lot of range, there's a lot of good deals to be had.

5.000 miles a year I drive 4,000 miles a month.i can't lease this review shows these EV as nice great

Please start amortizing all down payments on leases over the term of the lease so that the actual cost of each becomes apparent when you are comparing them ??

All the first ID4 3yr leases are coming up just in time for these deals.

I do prefer the Subaru solterra, they just need to improve a little bit the charging curve, I don't want to see it drop below 50kw till after 80% 100 is fine but just don't be dropping into the 30s

all the talk about a lease... i could never lease. The mileage limits are unrealistic for me. Especially 5k as Tommy stated in the video. I bought a new Elantra Hybrid and in 2 months I am just about to hit 5k miles already.

Ariya doesnt have 1 pedal driving. It still creeps and only brings you to 10 mph

I would go with the Blazer EV.

I’ll take my bolt euv redline over both of these. The Nissan is a close second choice though.

"Which EV should you go for if you DON'T want a Tesla - Toyota bZ4-" "The other one."

If the deals are comparable then Ariya is a better vehicle comparable to Lexus RZ450e since this Nissan Ariya is practically an Infiniti. It charges consistently and has a flat curve. However there is a huge mess in Ariya trims: you want some features, you get a trim which has no other features. To have a longer range the trim has to have basic features. One cannot have all features in the same Ariya. If someone will say it is much worse charging than a Hyundai Ioniq5 then the situation becomes different on long trips relying on 400 V (for now) Tesla Superchargers with an adapter then Ariya is going to keep flat 160 kW while Ioniq5 will be forced under 80 kW due to internal conversion to 800 V architecture. Yes, everything is going to change when Tesla V4 will be deployed but it will be a while until it happens.

Definitely going with Chevy or Ford if not Tesla.

Between these 2 choices, I would take the Nissan. Drop the price down 10-15K and it would be a fair deal. I would seek out a Tesla product if you had not showcased its piss poor build quality. Battery and performance in a Tesla 3 is superb. And if all you care about is chewing up tires quietly, by all means. OR stay tuned for the Dodge Charger Daytona EV coming soon. That I got my eye on. ;) If you want superb history of refined quality in your EV. Pick the Mercedes. That I had my eye on until the pre-mentioned DCD was announced.

The lease company must get the incentives, tax credits and rebates and uses them as the downpayment? Leasing maybe the best way to go. Just in case the market falls out from under these EVs, you will not lose your shirt

Too bad these lease deals don't exist in Canada or I'd probably get one

Hard to call out the dealer model as a positive. Also 5k miles a year is a useless number, not worth comparing.

Throw the id4 in there and it will beat those even being several years old

5k miles for a lease is insane. Buy a Civic and it’ll last you longer, used then one of these. Great video guys.

is this a commercial?

Open pore wood? Make it a no-pore plastic.

Before watching - Both of these are valid options for people who don't want a Tesla, but for different reasons. The Nissan offers the "comfortable appliance" appeal of the Camry. This is such a different customer base, I don't even really consider the model y and Nissan competitors. The Toyota is appealing for those who want a conventional car that just so happens to be an EV. Hence the traditional controls. If I had to rank them bZ4X, model y, and Nissan in ascending order. Let's see if TFL agrees

Tommy! bZ4X is NOT excellent vehicle by any means ....

i think the nissan looks better and feels better

I wanted to like the bZ4X but the charging situation is utter nonsense. People struggle to hit even 50kW a lot of the time.

When the Tesla is compared to the 2 worst EV's for sale, it wins! The Toyota and its Subaru counterpart, are the worst EV's ever introduced as a new model, and the Nissan is barely competitive. Given that Toyota is trying not to build EV's by any way it can, the hidden agenda of making the worst new EV ever becomes quite obvious. At least Honda chose to simply do badge engineering on an otherwise competitive GM platform. Nissan's offering is not that bad, but given that it was for years, the only mass manufactured EV on the market, its new offering, is also utterly disappointing. The Arya should have taken every other EV out to lunch, yet, pretty much every other EV on the market (except for the "Toyoru" twins) is better.

Bolt. Kia/Hyundai. Fiat. Mini. Anything used. Maybe just keep your used car. Lots better options than ugliness and mediocrity in a shiny new package.

I like these cars, but he did a terrible job at the beginning selling them. I don't know for sure what he was going for but you don't have to repeat that they are lackluster and not number 1 so many times.

That Nissan steering wheel has a real noggin on it lmao😂

5k mile limit!!! That's a non-starter. I'll stick to my MY

"Great lease deals on these two" Yeah because NOBODY wants them and dealers just want them off their lot lol. Just get a Tesla

Even if it weren't for the quality issues the toxic attitude of the Tesla stans would be enough to dissuade me from ever buying one of their products. But leasing is a losing deal, your better off waiting until these hit the used market at a greatly reduced price, then you get the savings no matter what your tax bracket is.

Nissan and Toyota had to discount these 2 cars because they are bad EVs. Mid $50k for less than what you get from EV6, Ionqi 5, ID4 is why the BZX4 and Ariya are not selling. Its like trying to sell a PC with 8 GB Ram, I3 CPU for the price of a 32 GB Ram i7 CPU With the discounts(lease only?), they are price correctly. I still won't lease one. Need to go 12k-15k miles / year

Take a shot when you hear lease

Is not that they are horrible car, but coming from Nissan and Toyota and put one of the worst charging curves and ranges out there. Now city wise is an ok car but that the extends of it. Hyundai have cars that are good in city but also good when you go on trips.

I don't think your audience is that uninformed to choose one of these two over the model y. That would be insane!😂

What is this? Just get a working petrol car and stay away from BEVs.

Both Slow for price, slow charge and …… FAIL

The enthusiasm in this was outstanding. ❤

Your Father has way too much of a bad influence on you, You don't have to a joke to review cars.

I will wait 5 more years 😏

Is this from the TFLOnion channel? The humor is at so many levels, like let's go to a Toyota dealership for a dealer mark down!

Ariya was always overpriced for what it offered. Hopefully Nissan gets the picture and lower the prices.

Get Niro

You are contradicting yourself now, suddenly these two over priced EV's became fantastic, stunning, and all is good, what's going on guys everybody knows these are very over priced for what they are give me a break.

The bZ4x FTW. Toyota build quality and longevity trumps Nissan. And Toyota has a proven reputation to support their vehicles in the long run. 2024s have a 7.6kWh on board charger and both awd and fwd is rated at 150kw. Real world experience is 10-80% is about 37 minutes on anything above a 50Kwh DCFC.

Toyota has no range for the price.

Buy an f150 lighting if you don't want a tesla

On a purely practical level the Busy Forks is probably an okay vehicle if you can get it for the right price, you don't need much range and don't find it as ugly as I do. It's Toyota's "Compliance car/see EVs suck" effort. But it's going to get you around town fine and if you haven't driven an EV before it's going to be fun because all EVs are fun. The Ariya is actually a nice car. All the basic specs are good and I think it's Nissan actually trying to make a good EV as opposed to what Toyota did. It was way too expensive when it came out, but prices have dropped and I'm guessing there are deals to be had. If I was going to sell you an Ariya I'd say it has good horsepower, decent range, looks great and has normal door handles, an available sunroof that opens, and a rear wiper. (The real leather seats are a pro for some and a con for others.) I'd consider it but I just like the Ioniq 5 better. I think the interior looks great but I'm not a fan of all of those haptic buttons and I think the electric console is dumb as it has no storage due to the motor and is slow. I'm waiting for the I 5 refresh, but it's possible another car like the Ariya will receive upgrades and price cuts to put it in the running. I'm willing to pay more to get what I want, but there's a limit.

More Toyota videos........ Really??? WOW 🤢🤮

$129 a month to drive an average of 416 miles? That's 31 cents per mile. My 25 year old Taurus will go that far on a tank of gas. Such little allowed mileage means you won't even save on energy costs versus your used ice car.

skip these, just get the best ones like Ioniq 5/EV6. Enjoy 800v fast charging fun cars than these slow ass cars to charge.

Definitely not a fan of the Toyota two tone look. It’s ugly and it reminds me of when someone gets into an accident and has to get a replacement bumper or door and it hasn’t been painted yet to match the body….

NGL super disappointed Toyota has its head so far up its ass regarding EVs. Everything about the bZ4X from it's name to its specs to its capabilities screams failure.

FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS DRIVE BZ4X'S, BAD ADVICE 0/10 DO NOT RECOMMEND . The Nissan is barely ok, but ill let it by.

Is this a April fools video?