TR&CI 130: Subscriber Request - One-Shot Effects Versus Triggered Abilities (How To Break Them) 

Dude, why are these videos so entertaining for me to watch? Playing magic is already such a nerdy hobby, and then getting this into the rules of it is more nerdy but it is just so interesting.

Elesh Norn is fun for opening up SBA interactions, like letting an eternal witness target itself with its own ETB. Great video and taught me a new rule 610.3b

So this is what is commonly known as the "Oblivion Ring trick", right?

One of the first rules situations I had to explain in a game of magic, I remember. It was with that exact card (Fiend Hunter) too! BQ: As far as I know, this is what would happen if you played either creature. Banisher Priest: When the creature resolves, it is put on the battlefield and its ability would trigger and go on the stack and you pick a target as it does (you could desperately try and target the Elesh Norn, in vain). Priority would be given to a player (you, the active player) so the banisher priest is moved to the graveyard since it has toughness

The old *Faceless Butcher* trick 😉 For the bonus question: if I'm not mistaken, SBAs are checked when a player gets priority, which should happen after the ETB for those creatures goes in the stack. So, I'd say the creature with two triggers should exile the target permanently.

Just so you know for next time, scull in Tidehollow Sculler should be pronounced like skull. Sculling is a kind of rowing. Not the kind being done in the art, though.

Interesting bonus questions. After fiend hunter resolves triggering its ETB and the tainted aether, it will be sent to the grave by SBA before either trigger is put on the stack, triggering its LTB. You can then place the ETB, LTB, and tainted aether triggers on the stack in any order, making sure to resolve the LTB first so that the elesh norn stays gone. For the banisher priest, the same process happens minus the LTB. This flickers the elesh norn giving them a tainted aether trigger. If they only have one creature and you Armageddon them first, then they'll have to sac elesh norn :)

Isn't it just the same as earlier. Oh no, this one is tricky, I like that.

So I have read through some of your replies and I think I have pieced things together, maybe. It sounds like the Fiend Hunter will enter and then immediately die before any ability is added to the stack from it entering, but I'm not entirely sure how it goes from there, because the creature has to enter first before it can die, so part of my mind says that the you have to do the dies trigger first (which is fine cause that's what the desired result is anyways), but I'm not sure if you would actually have a choice in the matter. From the comments here, it sounds like you could order them in a different way. Is that the case? For the Banisher Priest, I read the comments you made as well and it sounds like that one does NOT actually work as hoped, the hope being that we cause the Elesh Norn to enter again so as to trigger that enchantment making them have to sacrifice something. But I'm not sure why that is.

Hah! Topical in Limited - OTJ had quite a few old school cards (Journey to Nowhere, Detention Sphere) that could be abused by the many cheap bounce cards in the set. For the bonus question, I'd think they don't have similar effects because the SBA applies later. That said, I'm probably wrong here because I'm of the vintage of player where you couldn't pay a sacrifice cost with an object that was headed for the graveyard anyway :)

so I think the banisher priest effectively flickers elesh norn, which will trigger your tainted aether forcing them to sac a creature or land. They'll probably sac a land though.

Man, I don't like this bonus because I don't see the trick. I get the difference between the bonus is that your creatures are dying faster than mentiined earlier in the video, but I don't know how that changes things.