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Tracking down Problems Using Schematics on a 1973 Williams Jubilee Pinball Machine (part 2!)

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@ArcadeResurrection 3 года назад

Once you dive into EM’s you really can appreciate what they were able to accomplish with the technology at the time. Always a joy Ron. Keep up the great work.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks Arcade Resurrection!

@cliffordmaxwell9802 3 года назад

Wow cutting those colored wires to the pins is the gift that just keeps on giving lol! Thank Goodness you have the smarts to get the schematics at least it narrows down the possibilities. Like playing Sherlock Holmes to figure out what the heck they got wrong wiring the poor old machine back to life again. Bravo Ron and you kept your cool like a cucumber.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Yeah it's a lot like Sherlock Holmes, or a crossword puzzle or something. Pretty fun once you understand what you're looking for, it's got a lot of satisfaction in it when you finally figure it out, then you get to play the game!

@carl5490 3 года назад

That extra ball problem would make a great pinball tech challenge. I bet a lot of the best mechanics would give up. Great job Ron! What you have also done is made us realize that there are going to be problems that will take hours to fix and even try the patience of the most skillful mechanic and if we want to own and mess with these machines a lot of the pleasure has to be about fixing them as much as playing them.

@tcb8295 3 года назад

Definitely a long repair Ron. Lots of T/S being done. Thanks for taking us along via video.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We're almost done with it :)

@Codeaholic1 3 года назад

Ron you're so good juggling all the issues with these balls. You've got real ball skills. ;-)

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I am good with the Bal.... HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!

@pezjohnson 3 года назад

What a mess. But I'm glad that you're working through it AND sharing it with us.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks for watching Pez, i'm trying to edit it down to make it make sense as I figure it out!

@wnn362780 3 года назад

Can't thank you enough for filming these repairs. I recently purchased my first pinball machine, a '71 Williams Jackpot (same as Williams Goldrush) and it had A LOT of issues. I don't have any experience in electronics, let alone pinball machines, but thanks to friendly guys like you I was able to fix all problems. And it was fun! Your videos pointed me so often in the right direction. Or inspired me to solutions I did not think of. So a big thumbs up and many thanks from the Netherlands!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Very cool Pepijn, glad you were able to save it! You know they multiply though, right? Probably time for a second one :)

@dvv45 3 года назад

Ron is a pinball wizard!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I try :)

@Tabloid1967 3 года назад

Wow! Good job Ron. Love these trouble shooting videos!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks Tab, we appreciate it!

@TimIskander 3 года назад

Excellent video. I liked how you explained the thought process involved and not just jump to the fix

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Some people like it better like that but some people don't get why I do it like that :)

@andymouse 3 года назад

Ya doing a tremendous job Ron, your EM skills are truly awesome!...cheers.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks AndyMouse, we appreciate it!

@dave1135 3 года назад

32:48 once again in in awe at the game designers ability to make all this work using mechanical engineering

@Reuben- 3 года назад

It's so cool to see how the game works on the field on the playing board, and then to have you bring it to the schematic, and then go into the guts and see it all working there. So cool! Thanks for the time and effort you put into these videos!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks Reuben, glad you enjoyed it!

@jasoncorreal8810 3 года назад

Now it makes sense why those alligator clips were in there, the other dude was trying to figure out this craziness too and must have given up!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We'll get it fixed for him, wonder if he'll ever know though :) ?

@jrumiano 3 года назад

In case anyone cares, the newton's cradle demonstrates kinetic energy...

@EsotericArctos 3 года назад

I've seen the "hold on" thing before with carbon/dirt. Relay coils need less energy to hold than to initially trigger. Dust, moisture and solder splashes can act like a primitive resistor, allowing enough power to get through to keep the coil energised enough to hold, but not enough power to trip the relay if it is off. This game is a beauty. It needs a lot of help, but it will be worth it.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

You know what i'm talking about then, it's a strange thing to find but can often be what is going on if you can't figure out anything else. I've seen it do it with flippers, you clean the flipper switch and the dust falls down between the two switches and lands on the bakelite... then when you use the switch, it will stay energized through the dust. Drives you crazy if you don't know to look for it :)

@EsotericArctos 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade Some of those old relay coils are very sensitive and the higher voltage makes it easier for dust to leak enough through. Still, I prefer those old coils to the modern stuff. Keep up the great work 🙂

@RetroGamingWithHopper 3 года назад

I love when you feel you are chasing your tail on some of the problems. One time I had a screw jammed behind the jones plugs in the backbox touching two wires. I chased it for two days until I was going to pull the jones plugs off the backbox and it showed it's the ugly head, I pulled the screw out and the problem was solved. I never took any screws out so I don't know how it got there.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Stuff happens! On this one, there was a spring installed from the factory shorting out the lights when you started a 4 player game. If the light came on, it would make all the lights in the backbox dim for about 15 seconds then blow the fuse. The spring was touching both sides of the socket, it had to have shipped like that but nobody ever started a 4 player game I suppose.

@RetroGamingWithHopper 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade The I fixed every time you started a game it was like you tilted it. It just went black. Makes me wonder if that is why it was put on the shelf. I bought it from an old operator, it had about an inch of dust on it. But you know those are the fun ones to fix.

@jamesm90 3 года назад

Enjoyed following through the schematic with you there Ron, this video is a good guide to those working on their machines, thank you!

@alanbennett2672 3 года назад

thats one tuff table Ron..its fighting hard !

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We're gonna get it :)

@robertcecil7329 3 года назад

When my friend and I did this same thing on my Old Chicago, we disconnected all the shoddy respliced wires and started from scratch and traced all 58 using the schematic. Took a long time, but we got it going properly. They were just twisted and electrical taped, anyhow and needed proper soldering and shrink tubing.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

You did a good job!

@clintevans6643 3 года назад

Awesome!!! More to come. Thanks Ron.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks for watching, Clint!

@FetKiller 3 года назад

Wow thanks for taking the time to make these videos !

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks for watching, FET Killer!

@simondempsey1 3 года назад

Well Ron what can i say, well thought through, well explained. Those schematics can take some understanding but with the way you go through them does make sense, but what satisfaction when you solve a fault. As usual brilliant. Keep em comming in the New Year!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

It's all downhill from here :) Thanks for watching Simon we appreciate that.

@vhm14u2c 3 года назад

Nice TS’ing, Ron, and thanks for sharing!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks Vince, we appreciate you watching!

@joshsorheim 3 года назад

Used W.W.R.D (what would Ron do) on some pop bumpers not scoring right tonight. Bam schematics people and found the bad contact. Thanks again for the great videos! Keep em up!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We do a pop bumper on today's video, but it's a simple one.

@rlcd1967 3 года назад

Great deductive work for sorting out the issues

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks rlcd1967!

@izzynutz2000 3 года назад

I think it's awesome putting it back together making it work hell yeah sharpens your diagnostic skills..,

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We're getting there, slowly!

@robc3056 3 года назад

That looks superb Ron wow..

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

It's getting there :)

@michaelredman7451 3 года назад

Thanks for filming. I'm looking for my first game to work on. Still hoping to find a GorGar machine someday. Thanks again!! Keep up the good work.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Gorgar is a GREAT game! Thanks for watching Michael, we'll see you on the next one!

@johnathanasiou9284 3 года назад

Seriously fantastic job there Ron, you have the patience of a saint!. It's amazing how one sees the same issues also in industrial electronics. The cascaded switches are like rudimentary logic gates & it reminds me of PLC ladder logic. One is thankful for the lamp & switch test functions on the newer pins. It does appear that others tried to revive the game but gave up in frustration but the "damsel" was waiting for Ron to come along. Hope you had a great Christmas with all your family and loved ones & wishing you the very best in 2021

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thank you again John!

@maccustoms2295 3 года назад

Great work figuring out that wiring mess. Hope you guys had a merry Christmas 🎄☃️ .

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We did Robert, hope you did as well, See you on the next video!

@pinball541 3 года назад

Seggggaa!👍 Hello from Phoenix Arizona!🔥

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Hello Phoenix!

@mre9789 3 года назад

Great trouble-shooting! Very informative. I guess the lesson here is: Don't cut the dang wires!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Yes, please don't, LOL

@donsurlylyte 3 года назад

"Newton's Cradle" classic executive desktop item

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

That's what it was, thanks!

@dapar99 3 года назад

Great job Ron! I have a Williams em and when I fix it I usually never know why I fixed it...I look at schematics, clean and press a bunch of things and it is fixed - Witchcraft. Good to see that even the experts - I consider you an expert - struggle with these things. Would love to know how many total hours you spent on this - I spend hours and hours and get a lot more frustrated than you seem to. Keep it up.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I'm not sure, maybe 40 or 50 hours. This one took a little longer but we're about done now...

@dbeard772000 3 года назад

Love the videos. Keep-’em coming. Came across an Aussie restoring one of these in my recommended. His back glass was horrific. He definitely goes about restoration a little differently than you.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I saw that gentleman working on his, he painted the playfield very well!

@ocsrc 3 года назад

I like the artwork and the Egyptian theme

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

It is a really cool theme. The artwork was done by Mr. Christian Marche, complete legend.

@ovalteen4404 3 года назад

It's good that these EM systems have little to no capacitors. Otherwise telling them apart from relay contacts on those schematics would add to the fun.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

They'd just use the more rounded symbol they use on some schematics for capacitors, easy peasy

@cthlhu 3 года назад

Another great video!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks Jason, glad you liked it!

@TheGnomestead 3 года назад

I'm A Pro!!! Don't worry lol is usually the start of a good story followed by "Here! Hold my beer!" 😄🤣😂😅 Thanks man happy new years

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

The best phrase you can ever here from somebody is "Come to find out....." So, "I thought I had lost all my money, COME TO FIND OUT....." Or, "so, I met this girl at the bar, we got back to her place... COME TO FIND OUT...." or, "I thought she was home with the kids. COME TO FIND OUT....."

@TheGnomestead 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade That works too 😅😂🤣😄🙃

@chrisfreemesser5707 3 года назад

I feel your pain too Ron...I'm also a lefty, lol! Given how much time you've invested so far into getting this bad boy up and running again, I hope you guys paid like $50 for the machine originally so you actually make a profit!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Well the way we see it is we're learning and getting better like everybody is so that has a value, plus we buy them inexpensive and even if it takes us months to fix (it won't) we still make the same profit, we just don't make as much per hour, LOL Thanks for watching Chris!

@edward4191 3 года назад

Newtons Cradle Ron 😀

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

That's the one!

@johnmichael1979 3 года назад

My head would have exploded.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We made it through it!

@fwgmills 3 года назад

This video is why we drink. :D

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I'm sitting here with my root beer!

@captaintoyota3171 3 года назад

I watch EVERY video. AUTO LIKE ENABLED

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thank you Captain Toyota!

@Howema 3 года назад

the wiring gremlins on this one almost makes it seem worth doing a complete rewire if you had known it was this bad going in!

@donsurlylyte 3 года назад

there is a hella lot of wiring in those things

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Yeah there's so much wiring, and a lot of jumpers and things are very tricky and not really shown very well in the schematics, so it's hard to rewire one completely :)

@Irishirish-xl5tz 3 года назад

Ron, love the videos. One thing I have always wondered and may have missed it in one of you many other videos, but where do you get schematics like the ones you are using here??? I can read mine well, and not bing abpe to see them does not help.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

If you want the big printed ones like that you can order them from www.PBResource.com , they originally came with the game. Some of them are scanned into www.IPDB.org too, but not the Gottlieb ones.

@janbill79 2 года назад

thks for always reading the schematics, As I'm always interested as I have to completely wire a (back box) S.S.deluxe a pitch and bat type pinball by williams I bought it as a puzzle missing the head and all cabinet's except the run man unit was all there. I purchased a original back box head only every thing gutted. been buy ing steppers a score reels ect got every thing now just have to wire it. From ebay I purchased dif.f colored wire. but couldn't find as many colored wires as williams manufacturing used. But as I studied the williams introduction to coin operated games I was wondering if thats a miss print or just written wrong, the area is where there stating a double make switch and they draw open switches I thought (make's) meaning was closed & break open just like it sounds break /open make / shut ???

@LyonsArcade 2 года назад

Make means it connects, break means it opens... but when they draw the schematics, if it's a "make" switch, it would be drawn open because it hasn't closed yet. The schematics are drawn in game over position, so a switch that is supposed to close, wouldn't be closed yet. Thanks for watching Bill, good luck with your S.S. Deluxe, we will be doing a big Pitch & Bat later this year.

@toddament8035 3 года назад

A friend of mine has a Gottlieb Golden Arrow and I can't figure out why the ball kicks out to the shooter after ball 5 when it goes to game over, I've studied the schematic for hours. I guess I'll have to go back and see what disables the kick-out coil. Lol

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Might be a timing thing, sometimes if several switches are a little too close in series when they close they close a little faster than something else that's supposed to open and the timing gets off.... so before the one switch opens that's supposed to keep the ball from shooting out, the other switches have already closed and it shoots out just in time.

@toddament8035 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade I'll just borrow some of your patience, your videos were not around the last time I worked on it.

@sodapopinski690 3 года назад

''Oh it don't like that''.....lol....

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

hahaha I try to keep them happy :)

@waynegram8907 3 года назад

JOES CLASSIC, when you first turn on the pinball game the ball index relay is OFF or ON? when the ball index relay is turn On it will advance the ball count unit stepper motor giving you an extra ball? I'm not really sure what the ball index relay is doing to the ball count unit

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

When you turn the game on, the ball index relay is off. It turns on when you hit a score on the first ball.... if it's on, the ball count unit will step up 1 place at the end of the ball. If you have an extra ball, it doesn't allow the ball index relay to let the ball count until step up to the next ball (so you play the same ball again). When the ball falls in the outhole each time, it turns off the ball index relay. It turns back on as soon as you score something again.

@waynegram8907 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade thanks for the help. When the ball falls in the outhole each time it should turn ON the ball index relay so the ball count unit will step up 1 place. I thought the ball count unit is counting the outhole balls also.

@Even-Steven 3 года назад

Makes me think it would have been helpful if they added small numbered tags on the wires at both ends to make tracing easier, but I guess they didn't anticipate somebody going frankenstein on the wires and severing them ALL. I mean, who would do that, right? lol

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Yeah it's pretty wild, they did use about 40 different colors so they at least tried to make it right, ha :)

@KC_justme1 3 года назад

Here's what I think, "Let's do another video!"

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Hahaha coming right up :)

@thornmountain8129 3 года назад

I see they make a new back glass for this machine, but since its not very popular its probably not worth the added cost.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

It's one of those things where yeah it's not really profitable for us as a business to buy a new one for it but sometimes we have to if it's just completely destroyed!

@808zhu 3 года назад

For the algorithm.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thank you :)

@mcostafernando 3 года назад

By now I can safely guess that this was the most screwed-up machine you ever worked on, right? 😲

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

It's pretty rough but NO, it's not the worst one I've ever done, haha. I've had some that sat around for months until I figured it out!

@ocsrc 3 года назад

What happens when you reach 99,999 ? And then score another point ? Does it go back to 00000 ?

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Yes it rolls over!

@LuvADuc 3 года назад

How many hours do you think you have in this one?

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Probably 40-50

@bobweiss8682 3 года назад

Why the Jones plugs aren't shown on the schematics?

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Just to simplify things, they are really only showing you the logic lines, not the actual wires. so sometimes there are also a couple wires connected on a switch that go to two different things, but they don't show it like that, they might show the connection in the middle, or over by another switch, etc. Since the Jones plugs don't change how the logic connections are made it doesn't show them. It does show Jones plugs that are moveable, like the high score adjustments, or the 3/5 ball jumper, etc. because if you move them you move the logic signal.

@bobweiss8682 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade But by that logic, they shouldn't be showing wire colors, relay contact numbers, etc., as none of those effect the logic functions implemented. Guess I'm just used to industrial ladder logic diagrams, where things like terminal strips, connector pins, etc. are all shown.

@evilbeetlekustomscreations4965 3 года назад

I follow your channel hoping to see you restore a 1973 wild times made by Gotlib it's all there and it's in pretty dang good shape is there a way I can contact you to get the parts and some technical help?

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Is it similar to this? I think it's the multiplayer version of this one. - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AlXGYAVxYXI.html We don't sell parts but you can email us on our website if you have any problems. Thanks for watching evil beetle!

@bhuff123 3 года назад

By doing all this work the price on the unit must be going up so that you can make back all the time that you spent on it have a good day bye-bye

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

That's true Clark, thank you for watching! Bye-Bye

@sixtoes2313 3 года назад

inch by inch.....

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Yup, almost there!

@MrVectrex 3 года назад

When the schematics says N.O and N.C, Does that means Normaly open and Normaly closed? Cos on some schematics i figured N.C means Not Connected?. But i´m a newbie.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Usually yes normally open and normally connected (or closed), the 'normal' state of the relay is with the power off and it not energized, so in that state is that switch normally closed? Or is it normally open? Then when it pulls in, each switch on the relay should reverse, go from closed to open or open to closed.

@izzynutz2000 3 года назад

You're one through four player lights are not lighting up

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We figure it out on the next video :)

@a68k_de 3 года назад

Jubilee is a different kind of a "Jubilee" ....

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

An Alabama Jubilee????

@ManChicken 3 года назад

balls

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Huh Huh.... Huhhhh Huh Huh...

@Mukeman 3 года назад

Do you have any hair left? You must have been great at puzzles when you were a kid? When your finally finished, you should walk out in front of the store and yell "JUBILEE"

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I'm toying with doing the "Alabama Jubilee" as a music video on this one :)