I upgraded from my 7 year old treager to a ironwood 885 yesterday. I went to home depot for some stuff for the garden and right inside the front door they had a ironwood 885 already assembled and marked down to $800 it's the older style ironwood but still a upgrade from my old one and I'm loving it. I'm still going to keep my old one in case I need to do a large cook and to have as a backup.