@@psychopath1970 Yeah, they forget that they are obligated to like every piece of cinema that is released if they aren't themselves writers and directors.🙄
I want to do a rewrite of this where the t-shirt vendor is just some crackpot making up the story about the trap. Josh Hartnett's Butcher goes through all this trouble and the FBI was actually targeting some really dangerous dork who was stalking Lady Raven.
I’m not sure how he wrote a script where people go to a pop star they really want to see… and then all these people are walking around the stadium not watching the singer. Bizarre 😂
Counterpoint: M. Night knowing he writes weird, unnatural dialogue and then making his protagonist a complete psychopath so it fits was a stroke of genius.
@@sammynewcomer2611There’s nothing else in the filmmaking of Shyamalan movies that warrant the interpretation that he’s doing it on purpose. Lanthimos movies are weird in almost every single way, from dialogue to plot to directing to music. Shyamalan makes standard thrillers meant to have a very wide appeal, and so there’s no reason to suggest that he’s been writing shit dialogue all these years because he’s some misunderstood auteur. He’s just a bad writer.
My biggest issues in the movie were clarified by the singer being his daughter. There was a lost of good moments in there, but I couldn't grasp why we were seeing so much of the concert or why the singer took on the role she did in the film.
Loved the first part of the movie. They kind of lost me at the second part. Other people in the audience seemed to give up on the movie at that point. Just started talking and laughing. My biggest complaint was that Lady Raven had such a savior complex. If she really cared about human life, she wouldn't have allowed her concert or fans to be used as a Trap for a dangerous psychopath. And made herself the hero by live-streaming herself in his house and getting her fans to find the victim. Literally put herself and his family in danger of getting killed by exposing him. Why not destroy his phone and call the police with her own phone? Then had the audacity to go hug the victim while her fans watched. What makes her think he wanted to be hugged by a stranger after everything he's been through? Just had to make the whole thing a show for her fans. I rest my case.
I swear some of the characters had ps2 video game lines, like the one lady backstage randomly telling Hartnetts character that the only people thay dont need to be security checked are raven and her group, literally out of no where. There was absolutely no reason to tell him that it seemed like a quest or something like each side chatacter was trying to help him get to the next level of escaping.
@@rocket9859hope so, always felt he was super talented , but typical Hollywood casting (make him the lovable , Mr Right, always the good guy) had an ok career until of late where he has been on a good streak . Hope Nolan keeps him on his recurring cast of actors like Murphy
The plot holes were astonishing. I mean he literally could have just walked out of the concert at any time. They literally had nothing on him. The only way he possibly gets caught is confessing.
And he does that twice this year, he wanted to make his daughter famous and that's fine, every dads wants their daughter to be succesful too, just that, he really put them in a bad taste
Yeah, when you’re forcing people to listen to something, they’re definitely not going to like it. Well, unless it was Whitney Houston. But for mid pop music? Please!
@@buloimakes2835I thought there were too many stupid plot contrivances that just made no sense. At this point M Night has GOTTA know that what he’s writing is BAD, like REALLY BAD, but if this was a movie written by anyone else I feel like most people that would watch it would notice the incredibly shit writing more
The premise never made sense to me based on the trailers. 1.) They either know who he is and could just go to his house and get him or 2.) they don't and they'd never be able to pick him out of the crowd. If he walks out the door how would they even know he's the killer?
How did the cops just randomly become completely stupid at the end of the movie, they do this huge elaborate scheme at the venue with 1000s of cops and then when they find exacly where he is they bring 3 cars and LEAVE HIM ALONE in the back of the van. AND NO ONE CHECKED A SECOND TIME TO FIND THE GIANT METAL ROD. I just cant
Why didn't Lady Raven just scream at them in the hallway of the arena that he was The Butcher? They would've wrestled him down faster than he could've reached for the phone
It's like the CBS Dick Wolf FBI shows. Unless it's later in the episode, only two agents will go to confront a dangerous criminal or terrorist who will always find a way to escape.
This movie is actually the latest in his Unbreakable superhero universe and nobody even realises. Dude has the power of luck. Re-watch with this in mind. There are 20+ examples of luck that appear to the naked eye to be bad writing or plotholes but are actually brilliant.
Haven't seen this movie but weird, stilted dialogue can be amazing when done right. David Lynch's entire body of work is basically a masterclass in uncanny dialogue and conversations that seem like dream-like approximations of human interaction. For me, it made something like Twin Peaks so effective and unsettling. And like Lynch's movies, the Silent Hill franchise is the same exact way, with strange pauses, flat affect, and circular dialogue that seems to almost fold in on itself to the point where the words themselves suddenly lose meaning. (A premise that the movie Pontypool uses brilliantly). Signs had some interesting dialogue, especially the scene with the military recruiter, and it felt super intentional. But nowadays, who knows?
Saleka's songs had wayyyyyy too much screentime. I was sitting there like "So what does this have to do with the plot of the movie?" waiting for something crazy to happen but nothing ever did. Third act Josh Hartnett was great though.
Josh and the shirt vendor did great! But the movie lost all of its substance when it left the concert venue and made Raven a key character to the plot.
And they are trying to Trap a Parent. I think you're onto something! EDIT: If we find out (not sure how we would) that he only reached out to her for this pun-y crap I'll walk away from all of M. Night's films, even the good ones like Unbreakable.
*Spoilers below* . . . . . . . Because I kept expecting (hoping for) a twist other than what the trailer had already revealed, at some point I suspected the MOTHER to be the actual Butcher, holding hostages and live-streaming them to cooper to get him to spend some quality time with his daughter. Like, Cooper (Hartnet) would have been a hostage this whole time, trying to save the man's life by escaping without being caught. Alas, no twist, only predictable turns.
I was also thinking that I felt like I've been seeing Josh in a lot of good roles lately. I've loved him back from his The Faculty, Black Hawk Down, Virgin Suicide days. I really hope we continue to see more of him & he keeps making interesting choices.
@@K0m30ngThe fact that they thought it was a good idea to trap a serial killer in an arena with tons of people is what made me laugh so hard at the trailer. I still want to see it 😂
@@Moo.1336 Idk if you've seen it yet but the plan is really dumb and the explanation for why they know he'll be there is also really really dumb. This whole movie ridiculous nonsense but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't thoroughly entertained
It's weird none of the reviewers have mentioned this point but it is clearly stated in the second half of the movie that the the concert was already announced and the FBI told the artist like just two weeks ago that the serial killer is going to be there. But for some reason everyone thinks that the concert was announced/created only to catch the serial killer. Weird
I love going down the line of reviewers of increasing blunt honesty. First is Stuckmann, which these days is opinionless bs. Next is Jeremy, which is high energy honesty. Then finally, Dan, the most detail oriented and honest of them all.
I get that he wants to make his daughter famous, I mean who doesn't? Every dad really wants their daughters to be successful too, I know I would if I have a kid, just that, he really put them in a bad taste twice this year
It’s a comedy. It’s a satirical take on the genre. Hartnett is playing Norman Bates. A normal guy with mommy issues. Plus Hayley Mills from The Parent Trap, sets the trap for the parent. Get it? Our crowd was laughing at the out there dialogue. 250 people in Burbank had a ball.
People saying the dialogue is odd intentionally, no it isnt. This isnt odd like David Lynch/Cronenberg. Its like an afterschool special about staying away from drugs.
There is a lengthy conversation in the film about the carpets in his house and how his wife is worried about the state of the carpets, what with their important visitor and all. Once inside, we see the house has hardwood floors. To me, this sums up the whole film. Nothing makes sense, continuity doesn't matter, and in no world would all the police in the country descend on a concert, tell every staff member all the privileged details, and "question all the males" because they don't even have a description. There are no carpets.
I feel like someone has watched De Palma's Snake Eyes without the potential 🤣. Also Hayley Mills in Tiger Bay - Jodie Foster-level child actor performance
Fun fact: I could only see a certain number of rated R movies when I was younger, and I chose Snake Eyes as one of them because I was hooked by the hype around the opening uncut shot. After my mom saw it, she said "Eh, you can have that one back."
When I first saw the trailer for this movie I was SO HYPED! It was my exact vibe and interest. But the second I saw M Nights name included I immediately was like “oh…never mind then..”
Josh Hartnett was good in Operation Fortune too, although at a certain point the movie didn't seem to know what to do with his character, and that movie didn't do all that well either.
Guy Ritchie is also a director like Shyamalan who has a very distinct filmmaking style but doesn’t always translate to making good movies. When they hit they really hit, when they miss it wildly goes off the rails
I didn't think it was that bad. I enjoyed the first half of the movie taking place in the arena. Youre interested in how Cooper is going to get out and what he's learning along the way. I thought it kind of derailed after that with much more muddled pacing and like 4 different parts where the movie could've ended. Definitely "its okay" territory for me
02:21 #nepotism. 😂 But seriously, I guess it’s easier using his daughter and her songs than using an established artist and their music. No royalties to pay to a record company, the songs are doing double the work here being part of the film and the soundtrack plus works in their own right. But still, I kinda would’ve liked to have seen M Night approach someone like Taylor Swift or her tour mate Sabrina Carpenter and stage it around them instead! 😂
THANK YOU!! I agree with every single point you made. I have been scratching my head reading some other reviews of this film. This was ridiculously bad.
i, for one, was very thrilled / filled with suspense. i think the most important dynamic in this movie is that of the lives the protagonist lives; one as a family man, the other as a serial killer. and how those two lives mix in a unsettling fashion.
Bruh this idea was so good and my boi M. Night fumbled the bag hard on this one. His daughter should not have gotten so much screen time lol. Good for some laughs
Just got back from a screening and I mostly agree with you. The king of self sabotage continues his mad reign. I actually liked the first part and would have preferred the whole movie was contained to the arena. One thing I did appreciate was the authenticity of the show itself. Most concerts in narrative films are as alien to real experience as... well, as every other aspect of this movie is.
Another M Night Shyamalan film: meaning don’t forget to bring along your 60-foot plot-armored crane to suspend the 300 metric tons of disbelief required to avoid seeing the gaping plot holes that riddle his movies. and make sure to bring along the dialogue ear filters too, that filter out all of the bonkers plot-exposure dialogue spewed by the cast. Then you might actually enjoy the movie.
@@shanenolan085He actually finances his own movie independently, at least since The Visit. That's why this movie got a interim agreement to filmed the movie during last year's actor's strike. And that includes his daughter's first movie which was also distributed by Warner Bros but was self financed by his daddy independently
I wanted this to be good--Hartnett deserves a comeback and Hayley Mills is a welcome surprise but when the movie wasn't screened for critics I kinda knew what that meant and finding out that it's a vehicle for a pop star sorta clinches me not going. Thanks for the review!
Shayamalan's ability to continue to get his movies funded despite not knowing how to make a movie is one of the great mysteries of the world to me. Is his father a billionaire or something? I feel like I'm missing something obvious. He is like a pilot who crashes EVERY time he attempts to land. Ground him!
It's weird none of the reviewers have mentioned this point but it is clearly stated in the second half of the movie that the the concert was already announced and the FBI told the artist like just two weeks ago that the serial killer is going to be there. But for some reason everyone thinks that the concert was announced/created only to catch the serial killer. Weird
It speaks volume that m night shyamalan said that this movie is the fastest script he has ever written, trap wrote 3.5 months (yes he did said that) The only saving grace is Josh Hartnett performance, and the movie turns into so bad it’s good (like old and the happenning)
Sub’d on describing M. Night’s talents as a roll of the dice. Totally agree! I always look forward to his movies and keep my fingers crossed it won’t be crap. When it’s good it’s really good.
Remember, Signs has a stupid plot. But it's directed very very well. I think that's why he listed Signs alongside Sixth Sense. It was an indicator of what was to come.
It was a pg-13 so you really can’t have super high expectations, yeah some stuff was a little odd but overall it had a good story and great acting by Hartnet
Man, I was disappointed by the 2nd half of this movie. I really don't care that much about the bad acting and plot holes because the 1st half premise had me really intrigued. But that quickly went away when it turned into a cookie-cutter thriller. I don't think it was necessarily "bad", I just felt myself becoming more indifferent towards the characters and the 3rd Act as a whole as the movie progressed. I've seen many people make the comment that this script would've been better served if they cut out the 3rd Act and made it a 60-75 minute episode of Black Mirror or Twilight Zone or something along those lines. I tend to agree. 2nd half, especially the last 15-20 minutes, really fell flat for me. 1st half was really enjoyable, though, I will say.
Not great, but not terrible. Josh Hartnett and Allison Pill both had good performances. Both underrated. I felt anxious the whole movie which is the point of a thriller. Did not like that he was going to get away with it but it was creative to see how he got out of situations.
The third act is just so ridiculous. Like no one in that situation would act like that. Every movie requires some suspension of disbelief but not thus much that m night is asking for you
The movie saying they are in Philadelphia, but the high rise buildings are clearly in Toronto was something I couldn't get over. There were many Canadian thing they didn't even bother to hide in some shots.
Shyamalan, a favorite writer, director, often gets lost in his films, aiming for a specific feel that doesn’t resonate with most. The poor acting in “Old” took me out of the movie, leaving me unsure if it was bad acting or Shyamalan’s intention. I haven’t seen Trapped yet, but it seems to have the same problem as every one of Shyamalan’s films since, “Split.” .
Night pretty much said, in an interview, that this movie was made/built around the music. It’s kind of funny to hear him talk about watching Prince’s “Purple Rain”, & coming up with the idea. 😂
I saw it and i walked out confused. Im like "What did I just see?". And im just finding out that Lady Raven was his daughter. She can sing and those beats were really good which only means that he paid a ton for them. Too bad hes not going to make that $$$ back. And Kid Cudi! I didnt even know that was him....sooo unnecessary!
Saw it today. Agree with your take. Why oh why did he wrench the POV away from Cooper (Hartnett) and put it on Lady Raven (Saleka) in the crucial second act... other than to promote his daughter even further. Big miss - promising premise as you say, but one that's badly executed in the end.
Just saw it. M. Night is now an "every other hit wonder." I was fine. A good thriller and i was thrilled to see Josh "Zeke" Hartnett back on the screen again after Oppenheimer. So many daddy/daughter parallels between Cooper and M. Night.
I was totally hyped and ready to see this, but after this trusted review, I'm not gonna bother. Thanks, Dan, you've just saved me from wasting my money
Saw this last night and was more on the 'it's fine' side. The dialogue and insert of M Night's daughter were distracting but I was quite entertained most of the time.
Way hard on it. I find the character acting from supporting cast that everyone complains about to be more of a style point of Shyamalan as a signature feel to his films that is more surreal than bad. Hitchcock did the same thing once he moved into a little horror than only drama and suspense. It's a cool different feel that we do not see now and degrade but will look back on as something that once accepted will make his films cool. I'm referring to the almighty informed smaller characters and the very strange line delivery style.
