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Treadmill Motor Conversion Mistakes, Going over Common Mistakes people make on their Conversions 

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Converting a Mill or Lathe to a treadmill motor is a fantastic upgrade and 90% of the challenge comes in the power supply, but there are also a few mistake people commonly make specific to hooking up the treadmill motor.
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Комментарии : 89   
@garsonprice3441
@garsonprice3441 Год назад
Two years ago you inspired me to convert two wood lathes to variable speed, Daze. Then you helped fine tune them with the proper gearing, a cooling fan, a quick start bypass switch (disabled safe start), a tachometer and a reverse switch. The speed control has made a huge difference in tooling a fine wood finish instead of using 80 grit sandpaper. I rarely touched the four gang pulleys before knowing you and now speed changes are made 10-20 times each project. If you come to east coast Canada (New Brunswick), Daze, you have a place to stay. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Salute! 👍👍
@tomnorton8218
@tomnorton8218 Год назад
Garson, I'm in the process of doing the same conversion. Any chance I could see a few pics of your setup?
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
Glad I could help and thanks for the generous offer. I will likely not ever be in your area but anything is possible. If you ever have the opportunity to share my channel with other groups and individuals it would really be appreciated. I am one channel among thousands and it can be hard for people to find my videos.
@zjtr10
@zjtr10 Год назад
Another great easy to understand simple explanation. Thanks for taking the time to educate all of us.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
My pleasure
@theautodidacticman_
@theautodidacticman_ Год назад
Horsepower is for braggin’ & torque is for draggin’. You can have all the horsepower you want but you ain’t going anywhere without torque.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
agreed!!
@hoss1905
@hoss1905 Год назад
Thanks for this video , I just finished a wood lathe conversion , on a cheap mechanical variable speed lathe . Love the power and speed control , one more thing to complete is a dual resistor as I’m getting a small lag at the start of the speed control . Thanks for the help .
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
Are you saying that when you turn the nob it turns a bit before the motor comes on? if so take a look at this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-04d0u1RJyXw.html
@kevinsellsit5584
@kevinsellsit5584 Год назад
These are all great lessons and you offer the correct solution for this application (machine power conversion). Almost any application really. There is another solution for some applications, although cooling and gearing is applicable to every electric motor application. Specifically, when electric motors are used as traction motors which will require the motor to run from 0 RPM through the max RPM, using two of the smaller motors might be a better option. In the early 2000's my tiny business built high performance stand up scooters before it became the thing it has now become. We had limited resources to source our products from. To keep costs down it made sense to use the standard Chinese scooter parts, but simply installing a 300 Amp (golf cart) controller would ignite the brush housing in the first ten feet. Likewise, any attempt to modify existing controllers resulted in MOSFET fires. Now you know why we call them Metal Oxide Smoke & Fire Emitting Transistors. What did work in this application was to run 2 of the best cheap China motors available which were rated at 800 watts. Since the entire vehicle and rider only weighed 300lbs, we could dump stupid amounts of current into two motors for just a few seconds and get away with it. All we were really trying to do was teach the gasoline scooter people a lesson about electricity in a short drag race. It worked.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
Interesting concept, I had not thought of running two motors but assuming they were the same I could totally see the benefit.
@orangetruckman
@orangetruckman Год назад
I’m sure there’s a guy out there about to screw up his treadmill motor powered whatever, all because he hasn’t watch any of your awesome videos.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
High praise, thank you!!
@rayg436
@rayg436 Год назад
great explanation keep up the great videos.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
Thanks, will do!!
@champspec
@champspec Год назад
Have you messed around with any 3 phase AC drive motors? You can find them in almost all Life Fitness commercial treadmills. Matrix treadmills probably have the most powerful commonly seen treadmill motor(made by Johnson Controls) out for the past ten years. Cybex is owned by Life Fitness so their stuff is cross compatible sometimes. And Precor and Startrac commercial treadmills also have some of the most powerful motors out there. Most are AC motors though… there are two Precor treadmill models called the 932i or 946i that is about 20 years old now. If you come across one of those, they have Massive DC drive motors made by Leeson. Very rare to see one of those motors ever fail and the bearings are easy to service/replace.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
I did scrap one Life fitness treadmill with an AC motor but was not sure what I was looking at other than an AC motor so I didn't do anything with it. I know now a VFD would have been an outstanding option for that motor but some times you just don't know what you don't know.
@Drjtherrien
@Drjtherrien Год назад
Nice explanation. I would have fallen for that horsepower trap if I didn't see this video.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
That is exactly why I made the other video I referenced in this video, easy mistake to make.
@dharielvillanuevagarza9897
@dharielvillanuevagarza9897 3 месяца назад
Thinking on building a liam f type wind turbine power regerator using any kind of motor, which motor model would you recomend? And material for the wind turbine? Fiberglass maybe?
@dazecars
@dazecars 2 месяца назад
Not sure I have not done anything with wind turbines
@bob-the-Millwright
@bob-the-Millwright Год назад
Thank you! really enjoy your channel.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
Glad you like it!!
@MichaelS-bz4pk
@MichaelS-bz4pk 11 месяцев назад
I built a trike with a treadmill motor belt drive with pulley on rear wheel. I cut the flywheel and used the threaded part, and attached it to my 36v ebike battery with an intermittent push button on the bars. It goes about 18mph, as fast as a trike can be safely ridden.
@dazecars
@dazecars 11 месяцев назад
sounds like a fun project
@kit-geoffbullough8788
@kit-geoffbullough8788 Год назад
very good information - thanks
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
glad it helped!!
@captainprototype187
@captainprototype187 5 месяцев назад
I like to use vacuum motors with my projects , they are nice and small and they are universal.
@dazecars
@dazecars 5 месяцев назад
good option. One of many sources to up cycle things and get free parts
@georgedennis2719
@georgedennis2719 3 месяца назад
How do you determine the torque needed for a particular machine to tool?
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 месяца назад
Take the specs on the original AC motor and calculate the torque. This is a good starting number but more is better so from there you can increase torque with gearing assuming the new motor has more RPM
@salimriyadi99
@salimriyadi99 2 месяца назад
Terimakasih
@dazecars
@dazecars 2 месяца назад
You are welcome!!
@martinneethling1731
@martinneethling1731 Год назад
Thanx a stack 👍🏻 Very helpfull.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
my pleasure
@836dmar
@836dmar 9 месяцев назад
Great info!
@dazecars
@dazecars 9 месяцев назад
Glad it was helpful!
@FNR
@FNR 10 месяцев назад
1. I'm with you on motor cooling: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WRtArow2UMU.html 2. An advantage of running remote cooling through a duct or hose is that it seals up the brush end of the motor, which really does not like dirt or swarf getting into it 3. You are correct about the tradeoff between low torque/high RPM and high torque/low RPM - and you are quite right that the motor manufacturers overstate the HP numbers on these motors. However, higher speeds have a use all their own, especially on cutting tools like lathes and mills. Being able to drive the tool faster opens up the door to carbide tooling (which likes high SFM) which can often be more productive than a speed-limited, higher torque motor. Your typical hobby lathe 100mm chuck is frequently rated for 3500-4500 RPM, and spinning it that fast (with the commiserate feed speed) can generate a much higher MRR than a lower speed, even if the lower speed can take a heavier depth of cut. Within limits, RPM is king!
@dazecars
@dazecars 10 месяцев назад
Good info I appreciate you sharing it. The one thing I caution people when it comes to hobby lathes and RPM speed is to do one of two things. Either maintain the OEM speed max, in other words don't drive the spindle faster than its max speed from the factory OR do your due diligence and make sure the bearings are up to the task. This involves getting the bearing part numbers and then trying to find the speed specs. Unless the manufacturer is clearly marked on it you can only get a range. If I was wanting to overdrive my spindle I would simply replace the bearings so I was absolutely sure the bearings were up to the speeds I planned on running it at. Lastly the further you go from the original max speed the the higher the risk of the structural integrity of the spindle not being up to the task especially if you have upgraded to a bigger chuck with more mass. I am sure a typical import spindle with correctly rated bearings can handle quite a bit more speed but the faster you go the more cautious a person needs to be.
@SuperGrover
@SuperGrover Год назад
The other reason to gear them down aside from torque is cooling. A DC motor turning at 100 rpm isn't going to last too well. I've used these motors a lot but find they tend to vibrate too much, especially without the flywheel. I guess in things like treadmills they're built to a price.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
excelent point. there is an RPM range where cooling is most efficient.
@nunyahbuidness7959
@nunyahbuidness7959 Год назад
So uh question for the expert in the field, I just salvaged a commercial 220 volt treadmill and pulled a 3phase motor, I can tell that the VFD is on the control board but am helpless as far as figuring out what to do to get it turning. Have you messed with these? Do I just need to bite the bullet and purchase a new VFD?
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
I have not messed with getting any 3 phase AC motors from treadmill working.
@nunyahbuidness7959
@nunyahbuidness7959 Год назад
@@dazecars Drat foiled again!
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 месяца назад
👍
@josem5287
@josem5287 Месяц назад
I have one of this 4.25 hp can i connect it direct to a 120 line?
@dazecars
@dazecars Месяц назад
Most but not all treadmill motors are DC and require an ac to dc converter. Most ac units are 3 phase requiring a 3 phase hook up and a VFD for variable speed.
@josem5287
@josem5287 29 дней назад
@@dazecars thank you so much
@dazecars
@dazecars 28 дней назад
my pleasure
@patrickbeaumier8616
@patrickbeaumier8616 Год назад
Nice vid. Thanks. 👍👍👍
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
Thanks
@mrmidnight32
@mrmidnight32 3 месяца назад
If my treadmill has 3 wires of 3 separate phases does that make it an AC motor? The label doesn’t say what it is
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 месяца назад
maybe. a 3 phase motor is by its very nature is AC HOWEVER there are some DC motors that are referred to as 3 phase even though they are not a true 3 phase but that is how they are labeled. Can you email me through my website and send me pix of the motor, pix of any tags or stickers and any wire labelings. I may be able to clear it up for you.
@mrmidnight32
@mrmidnight32 3 месяца назад
@@dazecars I really appreciate that! Do you have your email address? I looked at your web page and couldn’t find anything regarding a contact email or web address.
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 месяца назад
About/contact is in the menu bar at the top of the website. A lot of my other pages have it as well and it’s part of my “about” information on RU-vid.
@tiggerkzn
@tiggerkzn Год назад
New subscriber here. Thanks for the vids. Quick question, can an EMI filter be used in place of a choke on a TM motor?
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
I have not tried it but you would think it would help some. The important thing would be to make sure the EMI filter has the correct amp rating. Being undersized at the very least would reduce motor torque but more likely would burn out the filter.
@tiggerkzn
@tiggerkzn Год назад
@@dazecars The emi filter i have came with the same tredmill. Its rated to 2250vdc. Curious as to why it would have had a choke and an EMI
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
@@tiggerkzn In most cases an EMI filter is designed to eliminate electromagnetic interference from this device to other devices so it probably won't do much for the motor but would reduce the interference other devices in the area experience.
@joeclark9042
@joeclark9042 3 месяца назад
Okay I know this is an older video and I don't know if you'll get this but can you take a treadmill motor and hook it up to a solar controller like a 60 amp for a 100 amp
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 месяца назад
Is the solar controller also adjusting voltage? Those amps would power a treadmill motor no problem but you won't get variable speed without varying the voltage, and what are your max volts. Most treadmill motors are 90-180 volts.
@joeclark9042
@joeclark9042 3 месяца назад
@@dazecars bud i dont know if it would power a solar charger i was seeing if u could do a video on it like make the treadmill motor power the solar charger please let me know
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 месяца назад
so you are wanting to use a treadmill motor as a generator?
@joeclark9042
@joeclark9042 3 месяца назад
@@dazecars yes
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 месяца назад
thats not the kind of videos i do but thanks for the comment
@ibringthelastwords1358
@ibringthelastwords1358 Год назад
Can we use water pump motors as replacement for treadmills?
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
It all depends on the motor specs
@adventureandglass
@adventureandglass Год назад
Dude your'e like the treadmill motor master.. hahahaha.. just found your channel looking for answers on how to disable the time out limit on a weslo cadence G40.. it shuts off after 1 hr and 40 mins. Would you know how to bypass that feature. ?
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
The only way I know to bypass those types of integrated treadmill functions is to ditch the treadmill controls.
@adventureandglass
@adventureandglass Год назад
@@dazecars that's what I was thinking.. thanks so much for responding. I subbed and I'll be watching more of your vids fo sure..
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 месяца назад
👍
@patriciamariemitchel
@patriciamariemitchel 8 месяцев назад
I don't care about any of this. I just want to use it as a winch to occasionally help me bring appliances up the stairs. Do you have any practical suggestions for that?
@dazecars
@dazecars 8 месяцев назад
A treadmill motor is not a good candidate for a wench. It will not have the torque. maybe if you used in in conjunction with a hand crank wench and geared it way down but a that point a cheap wench from HF would likely work better.
@patriciamariemitchel
@patriciamariemitchel 8 месяцев назад
@@dazecars, I just noticed that. Thank you.🙂
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 месяца назад
👍
@snowdragon930
@snowdragon930 Год назад
What would be your advice if I wanted to make a chicken & turkey plucker? I am a new subscriber and have not gone through your playlist yet and I have no knowledge in this area....yet.
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
Not sure, I know lots about treadmill motor conversions and almost nothing about chicken pluckers, what questions do you have?
@snowdragon930
@snowdragon930 Год назад
@@dazecars a plucker doesn't need to have high rpms but it does need torque which is why I'm interested in your expertise. Do I still need the circuit board if all I need is an on/off switch without a potentiometer? Also, can it be run off of a battery off-grid?
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
@@snowdragon930 It can be run directly off of batteries. Just keep in mind that voltage effects speed. I would try and run it as close to the motors's max RPMs. that would be at the voltage listed on the motor and then gear it down to the RPMS you want, this will maximize torque.
@WasaMada
@WasaMada Год назад
Link me the blue wire video I can’t find it
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
Here you go: Hooking Treadmill Motor Blue Wires: SCR, MC60 and MC-2100 Treadmill Motor Controller Power Supply ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Mx4022PbHO4.html
@jerxxxone515
@jerxxxone515 11 месяцев назад
On mc80 I got 1 red-light on and motor won't start
@dazecars
@dazecars 11 месяцев назад
usualy its one of the switching transisters attached to the heat sink side of the board that need to be replaced.
@johnrussell6620
@johnrussell6620 Год назад
At 1:05 and later you say the green wire is for electrical short circuit protection. That is just 1 aspect of safety that it can provide. It is also for static electric charge dissipation. A tread mill is a great Van de Graaff generator and could kill you with static electric charge buildup suddenly discharging through your body! I know you are not building tread mills in this video presentation, but talking about treadmill repair or repurposing requires additional non-traditional safety concerns to be considered. Be safe! Good luck! Wear safety glasses!
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
Excellent information I will add it to a future video!! I have watched several RU-vid videos where the presenter said of green wires on treadmill motors "you don't need it, don't use it, just cut it off" I was beyond horrified
@majidsignshop4903
@majidsignshop4903 Год назад
😍😍🤩🤩
@dazecars
@dazecars Год назад
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@wh0tube
@wh0tube 6 месяцев назад
Cut the red wire!
@dazecars
@dazecars 6 месяцев назад
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