TREK Bikes and why I’d never buy one. 

Well to that I’d say: Doesn’t make them good bikes just because the company gave some away. And also: fighting for your country? How was Iraq a threat to the US exactly? You were fighting, but not to protect America that’s for sure.

you killed a lot of innocent ?

The punks in this comment section have no respect. Thank you for your service. I support Trek for the same reasons

@@alexm1841 and what about irakian civilians ??

@@reginaldscot165 I’m not even from the U.S. But to your disrespectful comment just shows your true character. Your attitude alone proves you’ll never grow mentality. I sincerely hope more people see this and avoid your channel at all costs. As well as riding in groups with you. You’ll be alone and angry at the world because there’s a big soggy chip stuck to your shoulder.

I have no interest in MTB and as a result I can’t speak to the design or quality. But, I keep hearing the same stories from TREK fans. “My bike was poorly made and/or badly designed and as a result it broke! But that’s ok because TREK know their bikes are unreliable and so they provide and excellent warranty.” Now this seems to me to be an odd perspective to have? Furthermore it doesn’t address any of the issues I pointed out with the bikes? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Customer service is very important. I my time in the Business I have found customers will buy anything if the salesman makes them feel good. 👍🏻 But not make me list everything wrong with the Mad-One. 😅 Ride safe!

So was mine, until it wasn't. Never going back

My local Trek store is also really top notch. Definitely one of the best bike shops in the area.

Absolutely. Unfortunately the Trek store in my city Hyderabad does not have good customer service. They are very money minded. Trek makes some great bikes but if the store selling them has poor customer service, it spoils the show.

Great comment! Yes that’s true, but there is no feeling like riding a super light bike. My weight goes up and down, 71kg to 68kg depending on how close to a race I am. 😂 Safe riding! 🙂👍🏻

Coming from an MTB background. I'd suggest is why you see the benefits of the Domane' and rightly so. Spend enough time purely on a road bike especially one that's rim brake and built for hills and you'll see its night and day. The crux for me , is the price they sell these super "lightweight, super aero" bikes for. With so many design or QC issues. And as a rider who also came from the mtb world.. I never experienced those same issues on an mtb of any price point.

@Advanced Driving you burn through much more calories and have bigger appetite - you eat more than you burn, that's why your weight is standing in place. You would need less sugars and calories to drop weight.. I dropped from 82-83 kg in Feburary to 69.4 kg in september... 71 now as I have a break from riding cuz of weather and eating more.

Jeffrey, I have the same model, same year. I have entertained the idea of upgrading rims. Which rims did you go for?

@@Adair9800 I have Bontrager Aeolus Pro 37 TLR rims. Very happy with them.

I think you would probably be disappointed with the newer one, bikes of 5 years ago are not the bikes of today. They have gotten a lot less simple, a lot heavier, a lot more expensive and probably a lot slower. 🤭 Thank you for the comment. 👍🏻🙂

I disagree with Reg. I live Trek. My Emonda SLR 7 with Ultegra was 7.3kg without pedals. It cost £5k in 2020. A lot of money before everything went stupid with Covid and inflation. My new Madone SLR is overweight at 8kg, with Ultegra Di2. But it rides beautifully and feels fast. I do understand that some makes give more value for money per pound in weight. However this is my hobby which I thoroughly enjoy with 5000 miles per annum across 3 or 4 bikes and 3 disciplines. The pure numbers do NOT tell the whole story.

@@sharpcsc998 I totally agree with you, I ride some10,000kms + each year and a fair chunk on my Madone. It's comfortable and fast (not he best climber!) but, it's my go to bike.

@@sharpcsc998 I have. 2018 Emonda, weighs a Lil over 17lbs with no accessories on it. This Reg guy is full of ish and probably a disgruntled ex Trek employee. These bikes are you doing the BUSINESS.

Chris Sharp - The gullible and easily marketed to fools will always believe their moronic purchases of silly priced cheaply made disposable CF junk framesets are great due to ego, placebo effect, and plain stupidity. 😀😆

Rim for the win!

As an average rider. I still don't get why there's so many excuses for disc brakes. And I've poured over videos to see if there's any comparisons. Putting disc brakes vs aluminum rim braking. And haven't really seen any.

There are quite a few videos out. The disk brakes work better in wet conditions. The rims don’t wear out on disk wheels like they do with rim brakes.

@@dangurtler7177 The videos I've seen only make the comparison using carbon rim brakes. In which case you're right. However; most bikes sold at the time were aluminum rim brakes. And that's what I ride in the rain. And on hills. And I've never had a problem stopping or rims wearing out. Lastly let's come clean. Most people don't ride their shiny carbon disc road bikes in the rain.

@@Blah-blah-sure I still have alu rims with calipers on my road bikes. The bike I put the most miles on has V-brakes with alu rims, but the rims do wear out. I am down to my last wheel set for that one (it is mountain bike with 26" wheels, with skewers and they are UST which aren't made anymore.) I do have disk brakes on my 2015 Niner Air 9 RDO. I can't get wheels for that one either since they changed the length of the maxles (led by Trek as I recall).

I know someone who just came 5th in a KOM challenge race on a 8kg+ Mad-one. I believe if he had my bike (6.44kg) he might have done better. 🤭

I have the same bike 22 version. I upgraded from a Giant TCR. It's not as poppy on the climbs, but on the flats it's a beast compared to the TCR. I can also feel the stiffness on the bottom bracket compared to the TCR. Fantastic bike.

@@reginaldscot165 i havent ridden a new trek. i have a 2008 madone pro. It is 7.5kg (carbon frame/aluminium wheels) its fun and fast. Yes weight is a big factor in performance but so is tyre width and smoothness of ride. If your pedal stroke is interrupted by a bump in the road it can make you lose focus and lose the intensity in your performance so smoothness is an important factor too.

@@standardtuning4guitars423 Tires are about vibrations and not bumps. So please don't BS us.

Trek also has a lifetime warranty on the carbon frame.

The seatpost clamp is a terrible design, even if you deny the problems with clamping a much larger tube that has a clamp halfway up the mast (especially difficult when the rider is short and you have limited space.) you have to acknowledge the stupidity of the design. It doesn’t drop as Low and a traditional seatpost. It’s more expensive. It’s harder to get parts for because it’s unique to TREK. It doesn’t allow for after market/other Brand components. The clamp only fits aluminium rails, if you want a carbon rail saddle you have to buy extra over priced clamps. If you snap the seatpost you need to buy a new frame! It was done for only one reason, it’s not better in ANY WAY to a traditional seatpost, it was only done to make TREK more money. For that one thing alone TREK need to be criticised and avoided as a company. Yes the components are heavy, if you remember in the video I criticised “modern carbon bikes” for this reason in general. However, out of all the carbon mass production rubbish that comes through my workshop TREK are consistently the heaviest. Giant for example are cheaper and lighter. Not that I’d buy a Giant, I’m just stating facts. Yes titanium as a material is superior to carbon for bike frames. I agree with you there. Also yes you only need 25mm tyres on a Ti bike to get the same comfort on a carbon bike with much bigger tyres. I run 23s on my Ti bike and happily ride 200km in a day with no I’ll effects. Where as my friends on carbon and aluminium with 28mm tyres are complaining bitterly by the 160km mark. The customer said they didn’t damage the bike themselves. Why would they lie to me? I’m not a TREK dealer? I’m not responsible for the frame warranty, so what would be the point to lie to me? They said they didn’t cause the crack so I believe them. Therefore it is more likely to be a frame defect, in quality or design or both. The fact you are a TREK dealer makes your comment a little less credible, however I can be blamed for the same bias with the products I choose to sell. The simple fact is, if I had $7k to spend on a bike, even if I was dumb enough to buy a mass production carbon bike… it wouldn’t be a TREK. Thank you for your long comment, I appreciate the time you took to offer your options. All the best, Reg.

Well, they say too many cooks spoil the soup. Maybe it’s the same with TREK, I come from an Engineering background and quite frankly a lot of engineers question the TREK designs. As for the warranty, if that’s true okay then. However often by companies do try and get out of warranty commitments and if they built the bike well in the first place they would need replacement? The fact A bike has a good warranty doesn’t make it a good bike. 🙂 All the best and safe riding!

Warranty is great unless your out on a 200 mile ride with no support!! We had 1000 engineers on the space shuttle but we sure as hell didn’t want it to crack no matter how good the warranty after the failure.

@@ronbenjamin4351their isn’t even an argument. Shits going to happen sometimes.

@@ham7357 yep sometimes life gonna get ya no matter!!

I had a bontrager rim crack on me more then a year after i bought the bike... replaceed foe free with out question

Great 👍🏻

Get off from the bike and on a couch if you think that the most important attribute of a road bike is "comfy". There is no such thing as a "comfy" road bike. It's for sports for Gods sake!

@@rosomak8244jeez man, you ok? What’s got you so angry dude?

@@Vartan297He’s angry because he rides an uncomfortable bike.😢. In every bike video there are commentators who should be riding a brand of bikes called Contrarian Bicycles.

Cool 👍🏻

My steel bike is lighter! Ha ha that’s what’s so amazing. I have a friend who has a carbon Scott Foil in the same size as my steel with carbon wheels and my steel with aluminium rims is still lighter. 😂 I look at people who by modern carbon bikes like they are crazy! 😄

no one in their right mind is going to go into steel frames if they want to stay competivie

@@se7ensnakes this is why I personally own (in my multiple bike collection) a carbon fiber Pinarello. The numbers are definitely better and noticeable. However, I also do bike touring and I ride in bad weather (Florida is unpredictable) so my ride of choice most of the time is a steel bike

@@reginaldscot165 I think they’re all great but yes I much prefer steel for comfort and longevity. I’ve had carbon fiber frames break and chip

Steel bikes with rim brakes are lighter than carbon disk brake bikes. And more fun and comfortable to ride.

Great! As long as it works for you and you are happy that’s the main thing. However, I bet I could find you another bike in the same price range you would like better given the opportunity. 😉 Happy and safe riding to you!

It should be 8kg without needing any upgrades.

Hi Steven, seems like u know a lot abt bikes. I a beginner and want to buy cheap used road bike in fb or ebay so i would really like ur help.

@@szmal1234 Negative. There are many other things to consider with a comfort bike not weight related. If you want light weight, go to a bike designed for light weight. Also, I have a Trek Boone. It weighs in at 14.9 pounds. With all the lightest stuff you can get, even tubulars. I suppose the wheels could be lighter, as they are 1380 grams..... But still, thats not heavy at all for wheels. To complain about 8 kilos is pathetic. Or 10. A light XC bike with 2.3 tires on it comes in around 22 to 23 pounds, if its decent at all. Weight isnt the biggest concern with a Trek. Ride features are. Since they dont specialize in Titanium, They gotta work with what theyve got.

You had to upgrade to get to 8kgs after paying that price? ROTFLMFAO. Fools abound. 😀😆

Ok so a lot to break down here. I will start with the Accusation of my replies “putting down peoples opinions and positive thoughts towards TREK.” I don’t know what comments you have been reading, I’m normally very positive towards everyone in the replies. I basically reflect the energy I’m given. If someone says something like “I love my TREK” my normal response is “that’s great I’m glad you like it and it works for you.” If they say something like “you are stupid TREK is the best” then yeah I’m going to send back some of that negativity. The video is Why I wouldn’t buy one, not why you shouldn’t, I’m just giving the facts as they are president to me from the reality is see with my own eyes. Now if someone comes at me hard and says a load of BS well I’m going to point out where that are mistaken. That brings me onto your next point, “some people finds more price value in the larger name brands…” That might be true and in my video I don’t mention that or dispute that. However, 2 things, just because an individual sees value in something doesn’t mean it inherently has value. For example, gold has value. If you see the value in gold or not doesn’t change its value. Toenail clippings don’t have value, even if you as an individual think they do, you would still be mistaken. The same reasoning can be applied to anything. Just because they see value in TREK doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be happier and better off with another option if someone like me helped them by pointing that out. I don’t understand this level of religions brand loyalty that extends beyond argument or reasoning. If there are better alternatives why shouldn’t that be discussed. Finally you admit, (perhaps too honestly) that you didn’t pay full price for your bikes? (Less than half?) So to you they seem fantastic but you also admit you would consider other options if it was your money… and that is the point of the video. To make people consider other options.

@@reginaldscot165 Actually, gold doesn't have any inherent value. Its value is based upon our assigning value to it, which is what LoganBeck was saying about what one values in buying a bike. There's more to the experience of owning and riding a bike than just weight and cost, but I do appreciate you providing your reasoning for what constitutes a good value and the other options available.

Actually gold does have inherent value, that’s why I picked gold. (You might be confused with diamonds that are basically worthless but their Scarcity is strictly controlled.) Gold on the other hand is totally essential for the production of all our modern electronics. Without it we wouldn’t have computers, or smart phones or robots or almost anything that runs on electricity. Yes it’s also used for jewellery but if you look at the price of gold over the last 100 years you will see we depend on it now more than ever even though most countries got rid of their gold stocks in the 1960s-70s.

Yes indeed, that’s why I avoid playing the roulette with those Brand’s. I don’t feel they have the customer at heart? You sound like you take good care of your bike! That’s a great habit to have. Safe riding to you!

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Our local Specialized shop has an unconditional 30 day full refund policy. Unfortunately most any bike lasts 30 days. But at least you have a chance of finding a major issue and being sure it's a good fit. Expensive however.

Nice if you have the time. I own a 2015 Venge with zero issues. My bike gets full maintenance twice a year, which works out fine. Every handful of rides is a lot, but to each his own.

Noted, it depends what you value. If it’s an SL6 Mad-One then the “comfort” via the iso system comes at a sacrifice. 1) it makes it the heaviest pro tour carbon bike of my lifetime. 2) it makes it hard to service. 3) it has serious in-built obsolescence. The customer service regarding the warranty might be great, but a trend in the comments is see all the time is people saying “TREK is great because when my poorly made TREK bike was faulty they gave me a new one.” This kind of proves my point, if they were “good bikes” why do so many people need to return them because of manufacturing defects? 🙂

Nice 👌🏻

I would to get new bike but I am not sure to get trek or bmc or scott.. what do you advice me

Same here. Found crack in the top tube of my four-year old Domane. Took it to the local Trek store. Received a replacement frameset (not the latest version, but two years newer than mine), no questions asked. Even had it painted to my specifications (Project One.)

It’s true… I know everything. 😂

That’s what I’ve been telling people. (Hardly anyone listens) 🤭 Good for you sir! All the best and safe riding!

Should be replaced under warranty? I'd agree Ti is more resistant to abuse however.

The journey from marketed plastic that gets replaced every few years to buying a frame that actually holds its own for over a decade...Titanium or steel...pick your preference.

Whoa. That must have cost a very pretty penny, but I commend you on your choice. Baum Ti bikes are very, very highly regarded.

I checked them out, nice bikes but really expensive.

Thank you, yes that seems to be the situation with the majority of their bikes. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Safe riding.

Nice comment, thanks! 👍🏻

Frames on sale ? Where, there are barely enough bikes and there is little value in building nowadays as framesets are too expensive

That's what I did. Built the bike myself to my spec...way cheaper and the exact way I want it.

I've done that many times, but lately that has not been easy. Bike prices are down, but the parts haven't fallen as much.

Titanium is much stronger than carbon, steel or aluminum for the same thickness.

I still think they (the road bikes) suck. 🤔 The argument of (will I like them) doesn’t do anything to address the weigh and the cost and the clearly poor design choices. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Sorry and ride safe! 🙏🏻❤️

I know it’s crazy. I love the Decathlon bikes I had in the past. They made fantastic commuting bikes! ❤️

10.28 must be a low spec bike. I have a 2018 that's only 17.5 lbs. 10.28 isn't pro spec.

An Aero bike is faster than a light bike everywhere else but up a hill. Even then only a little.

Excellent! I do love me a light bike. I just got my size ML Litespeed Titanium bike down to 6.44kg with SRAM Red. Best group set out there in my opinion. Happy safe riding to you! 🙂👍🏻

I know nothing of MTB so I can’t comment on that. I’d not heard TREK was an “industry leader” in anything? Maybe the worlds heaviest bikes for the highest price? 🤭 But I will look into that. My complaint isn’t just about weight…. I also mentioned poor design, quality, durability and reliability. All the best and safe riding! ❤️

Yep, I'm not a Trek guy, but I've got no problem with different opinions. I don't think they lead MTB in any way, but they're no slouch, that's for sure.

I’m sure the older ones were better, the new ones suck. No way you getting this bike to 6.8 without spending an extra 15k.

Disc brakes add a pound. SL carbon bikes are another pound heavier than SLR carbon frames. I bought my bike for $2K used and keep it due to it's low weight but I don't have disc brakes or electronic shifting. To get a new Trek with the new tech. and lighter weight you are up to $12,500 Emonda SLR 9 at 14.82lbs. See why I'll keep mine.

A lot of people say that have a good warranty. That’s just tells me a lot of people needed it. It’s kind of like “better to ask forgiveness than permission” style of bike manufacturer. 😂

I actually have had two Trek MTB frames replaced in the last 20 years under Trek lifetime warranty. One was a complete POS noodle, an early Fuel 100. They replaced it with a newer much better model. Another was a Superfly 100 that just would not stop creaking. They also replaced the entire frame with an upgraded full carbon back triangle. No charge. And I did thrash those bikes. So I was actually happy to have them replaced with upgrades.

Great 👍🏻 🙂

That’s a good question, why would someone pay extra for a name, when all carbon bikes are basically the same and some with the same specs are considerably cheaper? 🤔 Oh and lighter. 😉

Thank you so much for the lovely comment. Sounds like you made some great choices and I hope you subscribe for more videos! All the best buddy! 👍🏻

Cool 👍🏻

Big brain move Sir! Litespeed titanium is always a smart choice. 👍🏻

how are you enjoying your Cherhoala? Did you consider getting a Watia?

You are definitely on the same page as me… also you make your own frames? Oh I’m very impressed and jealous as well! 😍

Yes it’s nuts! Basically the industry keeps putting MTB tech on our road bikes and personally I hate it! Thank you for your comment!

I love this comment. I might start doing comments of the week and this would be in episode 1! 🤭 “TREK bikes are Great!” Proceeds to mention 2 negative things about them and nothing positive. 😂 Cracked me up! Super comment! 👍🏻🙂

EXCELLENT

@@reginaldscot165 to be fair he said they were great not perfect.

That’s true 👍🏻

Yes I’m very much in love with titanium. Wonderful material for bikes.

Nice! Yes this channel is rapidly becoming dedicated to telling people to buy titanium bikes. They really are totally underrated as an option. Safe riding!

Cool

Say why you're a fan, WHY do you aspire to buy one?

Yes that’s true, if you have a TREK you can only buy TREK seat post and so on. So if you don’t live near a TREK shop you have a problem. If you have a normal bike (like my Cinelli or Litespeed) you can fit many stem, bar, seat post, BB from 100s of after market brands no problem. 🙂👍🏻 Good point!

@Reginald Scot the components on a Trek are the same as any other bike and seat posts on quite a few road bike brands are proprietary. I'm guessing you are ass hurt that Trek wouldn't sponsor you so now your stuck with the little brand to schill for. So sad. 😔

@Reginald Scot and so when my litespeed needs a derailleur hanger how many shops worldwide can I walk into and purchase it from?

That’s very true! Try squeezing the top tube on my titanium or steel bike… 😄 Thanks for your comment!

It’s true, but there are plenty of carbon disc bikes that are kilos lighter than the equivalent trek bikes. Trek bikes are heavy AF

@@TheMattist Honestly I'd prefer a heavier bike that rides better and is more durable.

@@treygray2817 I believe this video is trying to say that heavier does not equal more durable. Titanium would be the gold standard for durability

@@TheMattist Really? Over steel?

I don’t think you understand the video. Non of those bikes belong to me… I wouldn’t buy a TREK, that’s the point of the video. A good warranty doesn’t make up for bad design and poor construction, it also doesn’t help with the weight of the bikes.

To add when I spec out the bike compared to similar bikes from Canyon, Giant, Cervelo, and Specialized.. they were all very close in pricing. Giant obviously being almost $700-800 cheaper, however, when you factor customer service, warranty, proximity of stores, etc. and superficial stuff like paint schemes .. the difference is negligible.

The problem is you are stuck in the Mainstream carbon mindset. If you get away from the Big Brand’s and look wider (especially in metal frames) you will find bikes that are not only cheaper and better designed but also lighter. The price they ask for the Mad-One is a joke on anyone willing to pay it. They are so cheap to make in Asia it’s unreal. But as long as you are willing to pay the price will keep going up. Happy riding! 👍🏻🙂

@@reginaldscot165 That Domane is almost as heavy as my $750USD (new) entry endurance aluminum with a freaking steel fork, 3x Claris, and Gatorskins. Half kilo difference...

@@cjohnson3836 that’s simply amazing when you think about it! 🤭

@@reginaldscot165 and I was thinking on selling my 2013 Madone and my 2021 Giant TCR Advanced to obtain some money to buy the new Madone, but the price is out of my range. You’re right, the price is a joke, specially for cycling fans like me who are not pros.

Good information. 👍🏻🙂

Great. 👍🏻 Maybe has more to do with your relationship with your LBS than the brand? Just a theory. 🙂

Go work for them and see how “great” they treat you.

Nice 😎👌🏻

Yes… that would be nice. My titanium bike has a PF30 BB… no problems at all… but that’s because it’s not carbon. 🤭 👍🏻

Wait, do you literally think the industry is going to go back to rim brakes from disc? 😂

Nice to hear some real life experience backing up my thoughts. Thanks! 🙂👍🏻

Good for you. 3 cassettes to 7 chains seems high? I get 5 chains to 1 cassette. Consider washing the bike every 300km or If you use Muckoff lube try something like Morgan blue. Wet not dry.

You are not wrong! I LOVE my light bike. At 6.44kg I sprint up hill like I’m on a flat road. 😍 Hope you get the bike of your dreams one day! Safe riding!

A plastic water bottle dropped onto the carbon bike cracked it? I knew carbon was rubbish but I had no idea it was that bad! 😂 Yeah me neither, too risky. Great comment! 👍🏻

@@reginaldscot165 you are taking the piss of us carbon bike owners,arent you?

Excellent 👍🏻 3 years out a frame is better than 1. 😅

I hear some good things about the MTB side of TREK. Being a pure roadie I can’t comment other than as more MTB technology ends up on road bikes the worst they seem to get for us. Stay safe and happy riding!

I have had 3 Trek bikes. I now have a Trek Verve EBike. I’ve biked for 78 years and am hoping to continue into my 9th decade. Also hand a great Specialized hybrid which was marvellous.

Agreed! The older bikes are better.

I’m not Whining buddy, I’m laughing. Because I ride a much better bike than a TREK, I’m just trying offer an alternative view to anyone about to buy yet another over priced, over weight, over complicated carbon bike… Discs work better in the wet… but tyres on Disc bikes in the wet don’t work better than tyres on rim bikes in the wet… if you understand that then you understand my point. 😉

​@@reginaldscot165what are you talking about here, it is probably clear that the tires are the same no matter where they are

A future video perhaps.

Smart move 👍🏻

This guy knows what's up. 👍👍

You're aware that Aluminium cracks, right?

not as easy as carbon

*Mic 🎤 drop* 😂

That’s me all over… straight and no hype. 😂👍🏻

Are you sure about that? I’ve seen paint chip off plenty of cracks. 🙂

Yes the rim bikes were significantly lighter. 👍🏻🙂

@@reginaldscot165and significally less effective. Especially for a heavy 100 kg rider like me. Not even mention riding it in the winter or on long rides.

Well yes but you are clearly intelligent and think for yourself… the majority of people are incapable of that unfortunately. I have spent 6 years trying to educate people on the benefits of a titanium bike… they still spend more money on carbon bikes that are heavier, more fragile, mass production and fall apart after a short time. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Ha ha yeah… not much nowadays makes me want to part with my money. The only thing I like to do is upgrade the bikes I ride already.

I didn’t do anything to it dummy it’s not my bike. I’m not stupid enough to buy one! 😂 Try to listen next time. 😉

Yes the TCR is one of the better carbon bikes IMO. 🙂

Giant TCR is still the gold standard of road bikes. I love mine! I tried a lot of the mainstream brand: Specialized Tarmac, Trek Madone, Cannondale SuperSix Evo, BMC Team Machine. I keep going back to TCR. I love its stiffness and comfort at the same time. So explosive and a great climber. I’m riding a 2022 Giant TCR Advanced Pro 0 Disc AR with SRAM Force right now. It’s amazing.

@@basstheangelo I also have a TCR Advanced 1 Disc Pro Compact but first time I've seen AR in the name of one of the models, what does it mean?

Standard size. Perhaps it depends on the size of the post/rider but it always ends up blocking one side of the rubber pads…. It’s a dumb design anyway. Re-inventing the wheel.

Yes it’s funny how they manage to make the carbon ones so bloody heavy! 😂

That’s what I said in the video, carbon bike lasts about 1 year. 😅

Yes I hear the warranty is good… perhaps a sign that you will need it at some point. 🤭 “Each to their own” as some people say… (Not me) Thanks for your comment and safe riding! 👍🏻

LOL. Just another cheaply fabricated stock CF cookie cutter frameset being sold for a silly price and mark up to the gullible and easily marketed to. That pretty much sums up Trek, Giant, Specialized and all the other similar CF cookie cutter framesets out there that pros are paid (bribed) to ride before they dispose of said junk each season multiple times. 😀😀

the particular experiency of this man is not detterminant to trek quality

Interesting crack and think it was a defect in that area since it happened so young. So did Trek replace the Domane frame under warranty?

why would a company set on making money make a warranty they expect their customers to use? Now I know you can't make a logical point @@reginaldscot165

Yes the older the Trek the better. 🤭

Yes that’s a good point actually, 1 year is all they use it for. I suppose it’s ok if you can afford to replace the bike every year. 😅

Well.... the reason is they are always advertising the latest model.

@@reginaldscot165 except many of my customers have season after season after season after season on Treks. One has over 25,000 miles on the exact Domane frame you attempted to roast with no issues on rough New England roads. I have the same frame. I use it for long rides and gravel rides and often use it on trails. I'm 200lbs. Zero issues. If I do have an issue, zero worries. Trek has my back.

Yes I can agree to this. I’ve always said Specialized is the McDonald’s of the bike world. It’s junk food in bright colours that appeals to the masses.

That’s an interesting comment. I like it. It was a really good attempt at finding some deeper meaning. And I appreciate the complement you started with. 🤭 When compared with a good metal bike I think all the big carbon brands fail for reliability, durability, comfort and value for money. As for financial insensitive. I no longer sell any bikes. So I don’t gain anything from getting people to buy a particular brand. I’d love to be sponsored by Litespeed because I 100% believe they make the worlds best bikes. But it’s not the situation I’m in unfortunately. The reason I make videos is to help people see an alternative perspective on the average mass mainstream media take on the bike industry. There are plenty of channels sucking the D of TREK and the rest. No need for me to do it. As I have showed in previous videos I’m a very honest guy, to my own financial detriment sometimes. But I don’t mind you thinking I have a nefarious agenda, simply because I love that you used the word “Nefarious.” 😂 All the best and safe riding! 😊

Okay, that’s cool! That puts a better context to comments in video. 👍 I ride with a wide range of people with nice expensive & inexpensive bikes, and the fastest dude is on a 10 year old $3k steel bike. But I know it’s not because he’s on a steel bike, just as I know the second fastest guy isn’t so fast just because he’s on a $15k Italian bike. Third fastest dude is a bit thick around the waist and is on a heavy Trek!! 🤪. I’ve stopped paying so much attention to the bikes and more attention to myself and my body and trying (and failing) to keep up with them!! 💪🏽 Keep making vids!

Well, at least it’s not carbon. 😁👍🏻

@@reginaldscot165 Cheers Reg!

I couldn’t agree more, everyone I know who bought a Litespeed couldn’t be happier, including myself. Safe riding!

Titanium bikes are noodles. A carbon bike can be engineered to be rigid with respect to torque forces into the bottom bracket under power yet still compliant vertically for ride comfort. I rode an early Trek OCLV 90s and it was brutal. Then a Serotta Ti which I believed to be the holy grail for 10 years. In 2017 a new Trek Emonda proved that the new Carbon frames make Ti a joke for serious performance. The newer 2019 Domane SLR is better in every category. Ti might be better for durability but after 40k miles the Trek still has no issues. The proof is in riding. Not just once but repeatedly over the same routes many times. I have years of experience on both bikes and Ti is just an overpriced myth. Much like a Brooks saddle, which works great for a certain type of rider. What makes you happy is all that matters but without personal experience it's impossible to know the truth.

@@frankiebguitar I have experience from 4 titanium bikes of different geometry, 2 steel bikes of different geometry and a few carbon bikes. Carbon is hands down the king of stiff performance no question. If you are competitive go carbon and don't look back. Now for titanium, all 4 of my bikes are different. I will say that custom geometry makes all the difference and the skill of the builder. I have an older Guru praemio ti bike that's custom built to be stiff. Let me tell you it's so stiff that it borders harsh aluminum with the compliance of carbon. I am over 80kg and the frame does not flex sprinting up hills. It's super light 7kg with pedals. Titanium can be stiff with the right frame builder. It's not the materials it's the design and geometry. Carbon is king for both weight and stiffness but don't say titanium can't be near as stiff as carbon.

Steel for me. Nothing touches a quality steel frame. I’m getting old. Lol. Gravel now and no more road. Shrug.

Because it's still not possible to fine tune material like titanium the way you can carbon. You can't make it aero because it's hard to work with and welds are very unaerodynamic. Plus carbon is lighter

I hope so too!

Yes, not a prestigious history they are living off. Thank you for your comment. 🙏🏻

Spot on.

That’s true, but I can also say that “my” lightest road bike is also my most comfortable and fastest. 🤭

Indeed 👍🏻

I have 2 Domanes, but I would also like an Emonda. What was time from order date to delivery date? My local Trek dealer says the longest wait is for the Madone.

I disagree, but thanks for the comment! 🙂👍🏻

@@Adair9800 dont know, i didnt order mine i just bought it and took it home with me (not at a trek store)

I'd say from personal experience that one pound off the bike isn't any better than two pounds off the body. Eating everything in sight gets expensive when you are that focused on weight better to watch what you eat first.

@@Adair9800 The Madone is dumb unless you are constantly riding well over 22mph. It's heavy. Emonda is great but after 60 miles you will miss the Domane.

What bike and how old? Makes a big difference. 🙂

Not sure I understand this comment. 👍🏻

Well the video was not an analysis as such. It was why I’d never buy a TREK. As they don’t offer their bikes with rim brakes and the bike I’d buy do… it’s a fair reason why I wouldn’t buy one and the weight simply Illustrate my point. 🙂 Thank you for you comment! ❤️

Older bikes are great! Newer ones… err not so much.

@@reginaldscot165 New ones are fine, I don't mind them much, though I admit that their prices are absoulutely insane.

Rim brakes 👈🏻👍🏻

Agreed, he should try.

Good point 👍🏻

I hear the MTBs are good, but I don’t do MTB so no opinion on that. As for their road bikes I will pass. As I would with any of the big name brands. 🙂

Noted.

Glad to be among fine people such as yourself Sir. Excellent choice! I have a video in the pipeline about how it’s the worlds best bike and how I can prove it. 😂🤭 Happy riding Sir! 💪🏼

@@reginaldscot165 I’ve seen it numerous times, I have two disc brake bikes one is a litespeed Ultimate, however; I feel that it detracts from its performance so I ordered a litespeed Ultimate Rim Brake version being built up exactly the same spec as my T1SL, I’m positive it will out perform the disc version, I’m picking it up Monday

I also own a T1SL rim brake, the finest bike I have ever owned, and still have my 2001 Tuscany which still is a fabulous smooth ride.

Yes indeed, for carbon bikes second hand is definitely the way to go. You can get $4000 bikes for 1k! And they are in good condition sometimes. Ride safe! 🙂

@@reginaldscot165 This is the real truth

I find fully enclosed cables inside a housing tend to stay damp and rust sooner. Also they often have 2x more friction than an exposed cable so shifting and braking tends to be less smooth. But some of this can me mitigated by coating the cable in something before you put them in. WD40/wax so on. 🙂

@@reginaldscot165 cool. I'm sticking with full. Cause reasons. 😑

Cool 👌🏻

No, same spring. That’s why they are going electric everything. Because they messed everything up.

I like/agree with your last paragraph, you are correct, a flexible steel frame will grip the road better than a stiff carbon frame, especially a disc frame. 🙂👍🏻

I wonder the same. Thanks for your comment 🙂👍🏻

Cool 😎

I’m lost for words.

@@reginaldscot165 I'm sorry that you are lost. The Internets are very complex places.

I rest my case. 😂

Sarcasm.