Trekyards EP209 - Vulcan D'kyr Class 

lol this is why the klingons are afraid of the vulcans at the time

I hope the vulcan ships are included in Star Trek Discovery! They are so nice!

Vulcan ships were always pretty sleek in the Enterprise. I wished they showed more of them.

this is probably my favorite ship design of all sci fi. The Normandy from Mass Effect was pretty amazing to. But yea, this is my fav.

Aerodynamics in a spaceship,at least in the star trek universe,is important because they often have to pass through gaseous formations whether nebula's or weakened ionized plasma flares being emitted by stars,etc...where shields often can't be used for whatever reason. So you guys shouldn't feel bad if you refer to it when describing them. I can't help but wonder if the warp ring is supposed to actually swivel down protecting it during combat at impulse speeds by the main hull. I never realized how similar the vulcan ships,including the shuttle/captains yacht,look like the stargate ori ships including the fighters. That vulcan yacht was VERY cool. Another thing to think about is the large "wasted"space this has similar to the romulan d'deridex class,a hint at their common ancestry? The ring/circle makes me think of "infinite diversity in infinite combinations",like the infinity symbol.

You know, I think ships of a certain shape have warp bubbles of a certain shape and don't need deflectors.

.... Uh, I think people forget vulcans are logical, yes, but they do have emotions.... Don't they come from an artistic culture?

So here is a question: Vulcans join the Federation, but why don't their ship designs get incorporated into the Federation fleet. Why does the Federation fleet look only like those made from earth? Was this ever explained int Star Trek canon?

this is in reply to the exterior details comments: Vulcan have always had a sense of aesthetically pleasing styles. Usually downplayed by the Vulcan themselves but it seems pretty self evident in T'Pol's clothing, the Zen(ish)/Feng Shui type interior design, their ships, and the few city scapes we're afforded through out the series history, that Vulcans prefer simple beauty. Why be ugly and drab when it can just as easily be beautiful and sleek. Seems logical to me. :o)

This makes me wonder how the Terran Empire in the Mirror universe conquered Vulcan if their ships are much more advanced than the Terran ships.

Vulcans are logical, but they are also very creative. It's a high culture. I think those ships fit that pretty well.

Enterprise showed that, prior the Federation, the Vulcan R&D was very slow & methodical. With their long lifespans, they could afford this approach, moving at their own pace. We also know-- primarily from the movies-- that Vulcan society had a rich, TRADITIONAL way of doing things which, while not purely logical, expressed itself in their design aesthetic. We also saw that, in the era of ST:Enterprise, the Vulcans were not yet the adaptively logical society seen in TOS, on. All of that needs to be taken into account when studying Vulcan ships: long lifespans, slow & methodical, a reverence for traditional designs. I always assumed that, because the Federation was conceived as a sort of interstellar United Nations, the different member planets/species were still sovereign nations with their own commercial & defense fleets. The Federation Starfleet probably grew out of an initial amalgamation of the different militaries, at least until naval architects could discuss & analyze the engineering & compliment merits of each species' best starships. Starfleet vessels represent the best compromise between different warp drives & engineering philosophies. Given that it would be practical for Vulcans to build with respect to their lifespans, many of the original craft seen in the era of Enterprise would still be around in TOS. They would have been upgraded as new technologies became proven & available. Membership in the Federation created a platform for the easy sharing & merging of ideas, which the formerly standoffish Vulcans had avoided in their own, cautious interspecies relations.

Space Battleship Yamato fleetyards?

The Vulcans do not lack an art aesthetic.

To me at least that the Vulcans were traditionalists almost as much as they were logical (we got remember that vulcans aren't unfeelings but rather they supress those emotions in favor of a more logic based way of thinking), So those hull details could something "since our heavy cruisers always had this style of hull details and there's no logical reason not to have them, this ship will have them".PS.was there every a version without the ring?, all I can remember are versions where the ring was turned 90 degrees so it was inside that "hole" in the hull but never one where the ring was missing. Even the damaged ship from season 3 ENT had the warp ring present (I can't remember if it was intact or not though)

So, is it safe to put a ship between the warp field grills? Or should I say, is it logical?

Have you guys heard of the Minetrek Minecraft server? it's a Minecraft server where they build full scale Star Trek ships with blocks. You should contact some of those guys. It's pretty cool!

To a point i have raised on previous videos: When you do the side-by-side comparison of the Ent-E to the D'kyr it is misleading. The Ent-E is aided in its length by the nacelles extending long off the back of the ship. Since the nacelles provide no functional useful space, it would be more appropriate to adjust the image so the back of the D'kyr lines up with the rear of the secondary hull of the Ent-E. Doing so would provide a much more useful representation of scale. Going forward it would be great if you could make the adjustment of removing the extra length the nacelles provide to your comparison shots, as it would in some cases reveal dramatically different size comparisons. Thank you, Love the work and the videos you are making. It has been fun watching your subscription base jump ~3K in the last few months. Looking forward to that 20K mark.

Since aired, among my 2 favorite designs, the D'kyr and the Klingon Bird of prey, both very unique... but I never been a fan of that Vulcan's brown and Klingon's green ship paintings. ❤🙂

Four minutes into it and the captain is questioning the LOGIC of the contoured hull compared to the presumably "perfect" TOS Connie. I would say this is an example of the balance of two conflicting concepts of designing anything from a Walkman to a starship where smooth simple lines make construction easier but adds mass and leaves wasted space in the final product and contouring requires I higher degree of craftsmanship but is difficult to accommodate post production upgrades. That being said.... Where is the LOGIC in Windows? I picture a Vulcan ship to be almost completely devoid of Windows other than in communal gathering areas. I don't yet know if the episode or any other Vulcan ship episode brings it up but I would expect a Vulcan ship to be designed more like any naval vessel or military housing structure with privacy concerns at a bare minimum .

The detail on the ship's hull matches more contemporary styling of Vulcan architecture; looks like it's based on European curvilinear Art Nouveau (early 20th C design)- like designers such as Georges de Feure and Victor Horta both of which look really alien compared with their contemporaries and used a lot by SF illustrators. The circular annular drive ring ties into that aesthetic .

Maybe I'm reading too much into the fact that Sarek disapproved of Spock's choice to join Starfleet, buy I always got the impression that while Vulcan was a member of the Federation, they didn't necessarily enthusiastically participate in the development of Starfleet. We even saw Vulcan ships in the TNG era, so even hundreds of years later they maintained their own ships.

I know it's a nitpick, but Vulcans are not, inherently, logical - they practice a regiment of self discipline and emotional suppression. They also, (at least when depicted in the various shows and movies), do clearly display emotion, and just use logic as a rationalization, and are very subjective with their logic, to boot.

Don't feel bad about calling something aerodynamic... even if MOST of space is mostly empty with the few stray grains of matter deflected away, there are still denser sections and atmospheres where your ship MIGHT find itself

Ori motherships always reminded me of D'kyrs tbh, I sometimes imagined Ori being Romulans that took Vulcan ships and made them larger, followed the evil path, etc. I seem to remember the D'kyr being called a science vessel in STO btw.

I think you have missed an important historical detail! The Vulcans of the first 3 seasons are far more militaristic than the Vulcans of the TOS area. Maybe they have abandoned building these kind of warships because of the cultural changes in season 4?

To add to the "aerodynamic" argument. Why not have space ships fit that aesthetic, a species would have art and culture (something the Vulcans are very big on) and that always influences designs, as well as other flora and fauna to draw inspiration from. Function should always supersede form, however, they can be integrated. Look to every car ever produced or any aspect or architecture and industrial design. It would only stand to reason that we would take the fundamental lessons learned over time and apply them to ship design as well and with that the aerodynamic look of a ship will always work. also the classic "but do we know for sure it cannot land or enter an atmosphere?"

Doesn't anyone find it curious that the Vulcan ships of Enterprise have warp rings, similar to what Alcubierre drive ships would have?

You're "quoting" Beyoncé and you still don't get a single dislike? That's the true power of the Dark Side. ;)

When humanity gets to the point of creating warp-capable ships, THIS is what they should look like, but a little less organic in appearance.

It's the one ring to rule them all. I wonder what they looked like during the TOS era. In what order did these Vulcan ships appear. Is this the last big Vulcan ship to be seen on Enterprise series?

Correct, after Enterprise, the only entirely Vulcan ship we saw was a cargo ship called the T'Pau.

even though you may not need to adhere to the science of aerodynamics in space, the idea of slipping through a warp-field bubble in space some of the same aerodynamics science May apply especially later on when you get into the idea of slipstream

If you take the bottom part and ring away from the small ship, but add a handle, you get something that would look like the Bajoran phaser.

Can't help but wonder if the massive size of the this, along with the also massive D'deridex class is indicative of a common disposition towards large vessels by both Vulcans and Romulans.

Size comparison Oberth vs Aux-craft would be interesting.

I have an idea, maybe ships are sometimes built aerodynamic for in atmosphere flight and for travel in nebula

Scout ship in the middle. Maybe what landed in movie First Contact?

That secondary craft has to be a Captain's Yacht/Survey craft hybrid.

The beam weapons on this class might be disruptors given the Romulans use them--not phasers.

Started to feel so bad. Don't let it shake your confidence! You know what you're talking about! We're all wrong once in a while.

they talk aerodynamics and not needed in space but this assumes it's incapable entering an atmospere

i liked that future vulcan ship they saw on that temporal thing with all those ship designs in it it had three rings

I think this ship is an eyesore. They should have stuck with the Suurok design.

the little ship comes in handy because of the lack of transporters in enterprise

you could always say Spacial Dynamic for the aerodynamic naysayers.

Why do Vulcan ships look like Buick hood ornaments?

I would love to get a model kit of this ship. Any resin ones out there?

I really love the design of this ship

I had mixed feelings about this ship, it seemed to rounded. We first saw the vulcan aesthetic in First contact and aside from the red I don't think it fits...

perhaps it's an hommage to historical vulcan ships

It looks like a covenant battle cruiser from Halo

The top speed is warp 6.5. It is the Suurak class that is warp 7. The Constitution is warp 8.

What's with the fingernail on the tip of that ship?

small ship looks like count dooku's ship

What I dont, like with those newer Vulcan ships is that they don't match the aesthetics of the Vulcan shuttle we saw in TMP.

You didn't compare it to the J. That should be the new standard. :)

Art is one of the few public outlets for Vulcan emotion.

I actually like the vulcan designs more than the federation ships. They look more purposeful. More cohesive. I think with a few upgrades the D'Kyr and Suurak wouldn't look out of place in the 24th century.

4:27 I find it curious you said that, especially considering Doug’s comments about this ship. 5:48 In the novels the Terran Empire only defeated the Vulcans because of a mutual threat in the Kzinti. 6:00 Imagine an XCV-330 next to a D’Kyr in a “humanity aspiring to vulcanity’s level of spaceflight”-sort of way. 6:30 Organic. In the background on the Jellyfish it was postulated that the Vulcans grew their ships. 16:22 It reminds me of the Multispatial probe designed by Tuvok. 17:40 The USS Defiant obliterated a D’Kyr, so yeah. 18:10 That was a Vulcan-Starfleet cooperation. 20:22 Did the Romulans invent warp drive separately from the Vulcans or is the D’deridex meant to be a throw-back to the ringships?

We want these in "glorious 1080p". The res of these 720p destroys Commander Cockings awesome renders :( The render times on comps this simple are not that much longer compared to the quality upgrade we would enjoy ... anyhoo. keep up the work! I watch Trekyards almost every day

The ring is a support ship.

Still waiting for a T6 vulcan designed ship in Star Trek Online, they are my second favorite non-fed type of ships (andorian being first).

So waiting for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Overkill class.

Doug's ship is more cool

would have bin nice to see the ring flip up just to go to warp. thanks for your time.

Is it a V8 or a four cylinder?

I like how the warp ring also ties into nasa's current ftl ship design.

Is this a mistake at 12:44 ?

Non canon as is the entirety of Enterprise.

The Vulcans are essentially a bunch of religious fundamentalist Romulins. They fled Romulis on a sub-light generational ship thousands of years ago. I suspect when they arrived in the Vulcan system they were a little disheartened to find no habitable planets. Having exhausted their resources they decided to colonize the best planet. The harshness of Vulcan kept their population low but forced rapid technological advancement. I suspect in the first few generations the Vulcans invested heavily into genetic engineering to adapt their physiology to the harsh conditions on Vulcan, the legacy of which is contemporary heartiness of Vulcans. Romulins are not known for their heartiness. By the 22nd century Vulcan technology had advanced beyond that of their neighboring contemporary species but their population was still only around a billion and largely confined to Vulcan. The Vulcans were aware that their superior technology would not be able to protect them against the superior numbers of their neighbors. this was compounded by the fact that their technological advantage was shrinking while at the same time the numerical advantage of their neighbors was increasing. I believe the Vulcans took a long term view of their situation, if they did nothing the probability of war with the younger races increased and the probability of loosing also increased. The logical solution was to integrate the Vulcan civilization into a larger civilization, thus negating the numerical superiority of their enemies. To this end the Vulcans began to study the younger races in their vicinity. They discovered that the cultures of Humans, Tellerites and Andorians were highly malleable between generations. I believe the Vulcans then began a very intentional campaign to modify the cultures of these civilizations such that they would become more cosmopolitan, equitable, peaceful, scientifically literate, respectful of authority, duty and capability; essentially all the qualities a society would need to accept Vulcans among them and in positions of leadership.

I love STAR TREK, but these guys alway make anything sound so BORING!!!

boring....