I think it would make sense that no Borg cube is the same. One of the most defined method of Borg methodology is salvaging both people ships and resources.
Pretty stupid idea though. The Oberth class is a science vessel, meaning it has very little weaponry. It would probably have 1 VERY weak phaser and might not even have ANY torpedo bays.
I always imagined that the Borg tactical cube was a direct result of their war with species 8472. You never see it before their encounter with them after all. They had to adapt their tactics from assimlation to survival and become combat orientated and if anyone can adapt, it is the Borg. They removed the drones and assimilation rooms (because they could not assimilate them, so they were not needed), and added more power generators, weapons and armour.
One thing about First Contact that I like about that battle is that it almost implies that the borg cannot keep their adaption up forever. The cube is taking damage even though they've "adapted" to the weapons. I prefer this over adaption being "invincible" mode.
I'd just like to point out that Q probably saved the Federation from being assimilated. From everything we've seen it seems like this ship was already on its way. You had Borg scout ships tearing up outposts in the Neutral Zone but nobody knew what was actually doing that. And you had this ship which was quite a long distance from Borg space, relatively close to Federation space. Q plunked the Enterprise right in the path of this thing and gave them a big heads-up.
Nick Timmins Yeah there are some potential continuity issues. Think about this though: Aristarchus proposed a heliocentric model of the solar system over 2200 years ago, but nobody believed it until only a few hundred years ago when Copernicus resurrected the idea. The Federation may have believed that what the Hansens were proposing was just some wild fantasy.
Nick Timmins Another interesting thing to consider is that the Federation should probably already have had some knowledge of the Borg after rescuing the El-Aurians. Did they just never happen to mention to anyone in the Federation this enormously powerful enemy that destroys entire civilizations? Guinan recognized them right away when she saw them, so they definitely knew who their attackers were.
Tactical officer" sir Borg ship directly ahead" Captain "red alert" Tactical officer " sir the Borg ship is splitting into different shape" Captain " well play audio file j-12354" Tactical officer "aye sir" *tetris theme plays*
With regards to the Borg logo, Stuart was correct saying they had no affiliation. You're forgetting after the episode "I Borg" when Hugh returned to his group, he had a program incorporated inside him that once he rejoined the collective they would gain individuality, therefore destroying themselves. The main collective realized this plan and cut them off from their group. These Borg were now unfocused and without purpose. After contact with Lore, he gave them purpose. I suppose that with their new individuality, these Borg also thought "outside the box" and had a sense of creativity and in doing so, created the logo to establish their group. I theorized that one of these Borg were re-assimilated into the main collective and they continued to use the logo.
The whole thing about Voyager verses the Borg is quite interesting! I figured that by this period a great deal more was known about the Borg and their technology which enabled the crew of the USS Voyager to resist the Borg more effectively! and having Seven on board with all her tactical knowledge was a major help, there were of course the episodes where Voyager was refitted "collective" style with lots of Borg tech!
As sizes of Cubes and Spheres go, I always thought of them as continuously growing as they were gaining mass by assimilating other ships and worlds. From the one episode of Enterprise, we see them adding more and more to a ship, and since then, I picture every Cube or Sphere to start out as an assimilated ship that at first grows like a tumor, in every way that is neccesary, until it receives a designation by the Collective to then become a certain shape, and maybe size.
Rather than send more than one cube, why not travel back in time, then head to Earth? I was reading an interview with Brannon Braga and he said in the initial draft it was meant to be a fleet of Borg cubes, and that the difference between a photon torpedo and a quantum torpedo was that quantums could phase shift, like the Pegasus go through the hull of a ship and then explode, so the Starfleet ships actually beat the Borg fleet up, but then everything got scaled down for budget. I think it might have been Braga and Moores commentary on the First Contact Blu Ray. He Also said the whole non vital system, was a waste reclamation system, it wasn't important to the Borg so wasn't well protected, but was full of volatile gasses which lead to the explosion.
it would awesome if starfleet would build a star ship with a sauser section as big as the star bases an then a secondary hull to match an then they would be huge enough to take on a Borg cube with sheer size comparability with new transphasic torpedoes an new phasers with the fleet as it is now swarming them as well , hell fire that would be something to see . just a dream thought. lol
I've been thinking and feeling the same thing for a long time. Essentially turn Starbase 74 into a ship. I've been reworking my old fan design ideas lately mayhaps might get it 3D modeled. Definitely a dream.
The tactical cube @trekyards definitely was built counter Species 8472's bioships. Even with the modified nanaprobe technology giving the Borg a significant advantage in offence against them, the bioships would still inflict massive losses on a fleet of Borg cubes. If my memory serves me correctly, one direct hit could destroy a cube. At the end of Scorpion, the two ships are essentially equal - one shot means one kill. So, the Borg naturally would want to make their ships less vulnerable by covering them in neutronium armour. This may only give them a few direct hits of protection from the bioships, but this is more economical/logical than having to build far more regular cubes.
I always thought of each cube as a unique design, as a bunch of smaller modules attached to each other as needed or as most convenient. A cube could also replace damaged, destroyed, or unwanted modules for those that would serve its immediate plans more effectively.
1. Internal volume is 27,000,000,000 m^3 or 27 km^3, not 28. Though if they assimilated time travelers, it could be bigger on the inside. 2. The reason the Enterprise wasn't affected by the Borg sphere's time warp was simple: If the Enterprise was affected, it would have been a very short film.
The reason there are so many drones in an assimilation cube, (those are best to handle new situations and explore), is simply because the drones ARE the computer core. Sensor and scientific analysis are processed by the drones themselves. The fusion cube doesn't have as many because ship operations and tactics are easier to process.
As far as why the Borg always send just one cube.. They keep attacking a very inventive civilization, the Federation, and just barely losing. Maybe they're just prodding the Federation to develop better technologies, such as the quantum torpedo, so they have better technology for the Borg to assimilate. Kirk vs. Borg... Well, the Borg are all wired into their computers, right? And we know Kirk can make those explode just by talking to 'em.
+Darth Wedgius Oh, very sinister and VERY Borg. Toying with an enemy to provide better technology, and after they have innovated as much as the Borg expect, THEN the Borg fleet moves in. I like it.
+Darth Wedgius Good point. That I think brings me to the 2 part eppisode Best Of Both worlds were in that epp it indeed was one single borg cube that was sent into federation territory but sent mainly to attempt to capture Picard thus leading to the creation of Locutus Of Borg. Aswell as the symbolic battle that was Wolf359 along with a starfleet ship graveyard that featured such ships like the USS Kushu (New Orleans class) aswell as the Nebula class USS Melbourne which Riker had turned down to remain on the Enterprise.
Delluminati Because they would lose their individuality. People innovate with their minds, and the Borg all share a hive mind. New points of view and ways of thinking are kind of the one thing they can't do.
Darth Wedgius pretty sure research can be done with a hive mind as well and probably a lot faster since people wouldnt need to ask each other questions or look up info on internet or whatever they use in 24th century to prove theories etc. But it also makes sense tthat they are using Federation as kind of technology farm and every time federation invents something useful to them they assimilate just enough to have that tech themselves but also leave federation alive so they can invent more stuff, like picking a plant for fruit without killing it.
I am thinking the cubes grow in size as they encounter other ships. They assimilate portions of the ships they defeat along with the crews and the cube grows. In this way smaller Borg ships may even grow into cubes. This would explain why they bother with multiple classes of ships. The other classes are not really different designs they are just not as developed in construction.------ The Borg logo/banner could be attributed to and or a remnant of the original Borg race.
The interior picture at 24:46 is of a borg sphere, which was only seen in voyager, not at all in first contact. The assimilation cube may just be used for mass assimilations, like a factory, it can be set down on a planet (sto) and pump borg Nano probes throughout the atmosphere, and the brigs are probably to hold excess people whilst they cut off limbs, and modify their captives. And the borg symbol was used in the tng episode decent, I think that the faction Lore was leading, managed to take over the rest of the collective, and kept the symbol as a keep sake
"The interior picture at 24:46 is of a borg sphere, which was only seen in voyager, not at all in first contact." It's the zoom-in of the Borg Cube from Picards nightmare at the beginning of First Contact.
They talk about at least two other types of cubical Borg vessels in the "I, Borg" episode of TNG. One very small that crushes on the planet and another one, probably larger that rescues Hugh. That might explain the "large cube" mention in FASA diagram.
In some of the books, we find out that Borg ships are just collections of nanites that hold onto each other like army ants crossing a river. Then it turned out that nanites were corrupted catoms.
The initial look of the tactical cubes, like the appearance of the Borg themselves, told us that to the collective, only functionality mattered. The collective had no aesthetic sense at all. Captain Foley mentioned slipstream drive, but I think the Borg transwarp works on a different principal. At one point, Voyager stole a transwarp "coil" from the Borg, and integrated it in to their warp drive. So slipstream drive projects tachyons, but the Borg system modulates the warp field. No wonder the coil burned out so quickly, Voyager has a non-spherical warp field.
Indeed XD Those Fusion cubes were the most insane kinds of ships that were ever possible ingame. Infact my reaction to this image at 11:14 is WHAT THE HELL WHAS ACTIVISION THINKING at the time that star trek armada2 was being made XD.
Just going thru some of your guys content and saw this. The borg very very remind me of sci-Fi zombies... in star trek online they even walk like zombies..
Here's a thought. What if all the Borg ships start with a standard base shape, like a sphere or whatever with minimal drone compliment. As they move through regions of space, they assimilate to get new drones, technology and raw materials. They would grow layers based upon what they assimilate. It wouldn't seem efficient to fully outfit every ship with drones and capabilities, when different species and tech requirements change from engagement to engagement.
+bpezzano1 Thank you! Who says our current ranks aren't recent promotions...and who says our current ranks are rather important to another project coming up.... ;)
By the time of the TNG era the Borg are roughly 1,000 years into their assimilation history. They started off slow, Assimilating 2-5 species per year in their first couple of centuries (on average of course), then gradually they moved up a notch to 10 species a year after a long time ... and finally when they got Trans Warp conduits they started to assimilate more selectively across the galaxy and encountered or assimilated 20-50 species a year, but that was only in the last 100+ or so years of their history. The interesting thing is this ... if the species designations are issued in order of contact, then how did the Ferengi get to be species 180!!!
The tactical cube was made in response to the beating they took from 8472. That's why they didn't send one to Earth. They weren't created until after Scorpion, which didn't happen until after First Contact.
With warp, you don’t technically need a device on the outside for propulsion, because you create a warp bubble around an object, the object never moves, the space around it does.
The Borg logo/icon could simply be from their civilization before they became what we know as the Borg. Also, it was stated that Borg cubes didn't have centralized systems. Therefore there was no 'central engineering' section. Instead every system was spread out through every part of the ship. This is why it could remain operational with so much lost structure because there was no 'engineering' area to take out.
Johnny Tek also they tend to augment humanoids adding limbs even rather that letting nanoprobes replicate components onto your existing body major surgery may be preferred
lrdofstrms Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the destiny trilogy also about how a big invasion of many many many borg cubes to the alpha quadrant happened? If so, I would love to know if the books specifically refer to the whole collective being destroyed or ended at any point. Just a little detail that bugs me in my headcanon for quite a while but I did never find a concluding information about that even on the internet and never had the time to read the books completly yet:/ But I love many ideas in there and would love to connect it somehow to the rest of ST universe, where the borg seem to pop up again in STO.
As for the Borg logo, I think it is a symbol assigned by Starfleet to the Borg. I imagine it's used to demonstrate Borg presence on star charts (or their territory). Remember the maps on DS9 where symbols showed Federation, Klingon, Romulan, and Dominion positions? Something like that.
Such an imposing ship. Always remember in Voyager when you see two of them and then some unknown (Species 8472) alien takes them out. It was like WTF!? Someone more powerful than the Borg!? I always wanted to imagine the zoom out from Picard's in First a Contact would have continued until we were outside the ship, that would've been cool imo. Also, I think the original script for First Contact called for a larger battle sequence involving more than one Borg ship including a tretragon?
Borg Cubes. The absolutly most terrifying thing I can imagine in the ST universe. At least as a "ship". I'd disagree with stuarts idea to have them just flat blank black. You are right, it would look more imposing and scary, but from what I've seen about the borg, that would not really fit them. Borg cubes are not invincible and actually really easy to penetrate at first. I thing in the very first episode the enterprise fired a phaser on it, it did quite a lot of damage, about 20% of the whole cube. That is enourmous.The strength of the borg, in my opinion, was never to be invincible against any attack. what made them so scary was their ability to adapt. They send hundrets of drones that get easily killed with one single phasershot. Scary is: They have a million waiting that will adapt. The industrial-detaled design represends that dynamic and evolving side of the borg a bit more I think. But black would look awesome still, can't argue with that :D What I think is really, really questionable about a lot of those pictures: They try to put on technical details to these cubes. And that is something Star Trek always did, what really really annoyed me. It seemed like (especially in endgame) like they wanted to get rid of the borg somehow because they realized that this was just a too powerful force to handle in any story or something. But for all we know in canon, the borg have assimilated about 10000 or more species, over a whole quadrant. There is simply no possible way anybody in starfleet could know anything anyhow specific for sure about them. Especially about their fleet size, designs or purpose. For me, the borg are more like a force of nature, something that is just there and you can't do anything about it. I don't even buy that the borg really focussed on assimilating earth at any point in a serious manner. There is really no, not a single reason why they don't send just a few hundret cubes. Nobody could have done anything about that in TNG era. They would just go in, assimilate and go out, like thousands of times before. But earth is very far away and the borg are focussing on their activities in the delta quadrant. So...I don't think it was really too important to them to deal with anything there. And an addition directly to the commander: Samuel, I absolutly LOVE you with all my trekkiness I can bring up for how you explained that the voyager was not detroyed by the borg queen:D That information together with your tone is absolutly fixing that issue for me forever!
maybe have a fully shinny black cube with green lighting in a unique pattern of computer circuity moving from the top to the bottom on each of the 4 sides every few seconds
The Borg are certainly the scariest species in Trek. However Star Trek Online upped the Borg terror by giving them planetary assimilation probes. These ships can land on a planet and pump assimilation nanites into the air, assimilating the population of whole planets in mere hours !!! Whats ironic about the Borg however, they are limited by their own mechanical logic. Which is why I think Kirk could actually beat them if the Borg did appear in TOS.
I would love to see that incarnation of the Borg. Basically a rebirth. Eliminating the Queen with this version of the Borg have them essentially be a different iteration seeking the same goal. Maybe make them an older version from another galaxy.
I always thought it was strange that, as they mentioned, the borg has a logo. Not only that, but that the borg would have something with curves in their logo.
I don't recall Borg in FASA ... I thought they lost license and halted publishing their Star Trek long before the Borg were even introduced. Although ... typos in ship names as seen in 7:46 is indeed FASA's style, lol.
Also thought it was dumb that Starfleet didn't concentrate their fire at a single spot regardless of knowing the "sweet spot" that Picard knew about. You would think making a big dent in the cube as they did even if it didn't hit a critical area would be far more beneficial than spreading their fire at various locations. But hey...movie logic.
Well technically Picard knew the Borg cube had bee damaged enough in that area. It's not that that was the 'sweet' weak spot. The Borg ships are highly decentralised, so enemies have little to no ability to destroy a Borg ship.
Well technically Picard knew the Borg cube had bee damaged enough in that area. It's not that that was the 'sweet' weak spot. The Borg ships are highly decentralised, so enemies have little to no ability to destroy a Borg ship.
The one thing about First Contact that bothered me...if the Borg could go back in time so easily, why do it RIGHT over Earth? Do it in Borg space and THEN fly back lol...cmon!
It would have been interesting if the Drones themselves powered the Cube rather than vice versa. Creepy too that the organic part of the Borg powers the inorganic. Like walking batteries.
I think it's been described as a mix of both, and we've seen that power and parts can flow both ways. Usually the ship recharges the drones. Sometimes some drones are cannibalized to keep the ship or other drones functioning.
Where was space dock in the opening battle of First Contact? Also the "borg logo" wasn't the emblem of the real Borg, just Lore and Hugh's band of freed renegades. There was only one cube because the Borg would only assimilate a few ships to gain the new technology and come back every few years to grab any new inventions
My impression is that the Borg use a variety of assimilation techniques...which makes sense! Species who cave in easily would still need to be held in secure locations; then be taken to the assimilation bay for surgical modification. For example, in the Voyager episode where the Queen reacquires Seven, we see her rescue some zoned out individuals who have clearly surrendered & are not resisting as the Borg surgeon removes the mans arm. There are no implants erupting from their skin. Clearly, the Borg saw no reason to inject nanoprobes! Other species put up more resistance, such as Klingons, Romulans & humans, so need to be injected. Also, am I remembering wrong, or was Third of Five, a.k.a. Hugh, rescued from a small cube? Side note: I recall from Trek coverage in Starlog Magazine that the Borg originally WEREN'T supposed to be cyborgs! The invasive slugs which were infiltrating Starfleet in a first season episode of Next Gen were the original concept for this menace, & that episode, rather than a one-off, was intended to lead into the invasion storyline with the signal that was broadcast! However, when plans to introduce the menace progressed, the aliens had been revised into the pasty-faced cyborgs the Q episode introduced. The costume designer tasked with creating the Borg look didn't have the slightest clue what cyborgs were, & came up with a ribbed look the costume MAKERS were unable to replicate, resulting in the original Borg look with hoses wrapped around parts of their bodies! I apologize for the incoherence of this. I sold the vast bulk of my Trek memorabilia & Starlog collection when I moved, & am struggling to remember.
The Borg literally butcher brains into submission. They'll keep carving out the troublesome chunks and replacing or "upgrading" them with technologically implanted conformity. Any components of the individual which continue to stubbornly resist/reject Borg assimilation will simply get discarded or modified until the final product is an obedient drone.
If you depopulate a planet, the surplus potential drones have to be stored somewhere. Imagine racing to the bunker, then finding yourself beamed into a packed cell. Smaller groups are then beamed to assimilation compartments; then you're led in a post assimilation daze to assembly compartments, where reconstruction takes place. The Borg began with Species 01, which I always imagined were called Borg & was a culture obsessed with the pursuit of perfection. One faction focused on cybernetics; then, as cyborgs, refined the software to link minds regulated by operational protocols. They became the first drones, enslaved to those protocols; & desiring to assimilate A) the rest of the species, B) the physical assets of allied species; & C) assimilate those species. And on, & on... The Borg sigil is a vestigial remnant of the original, ill-fated Borg culture. My pet theory, anyways!
the Borg ship is de-centralized. instead of using one or a few large power generators there are many smaller power unite throughout the ship that work in concert. in fact the entire cube's design follows this philosophy. also there are no animates aboard (rec facilities, lounges, bars, etc.) so this makes even more room for critical systems. another frightening point is that the cube is "over built," as in it has more power generators, shield generators, etc. then it normally needs to operate. indeed like you touched on , an ant colony, just with the ability to adapt and repurpose as needed.
So the tactical cube is only 15 million metric tons yet the enterprise with a hundredth of the internal volume weighs in at around 3.5 million? That doesn't seem to be a realistic number, maybe somewhere in the 250 million range sounds better.
I've gotten into a discussion with someone on a different website over the following match-up: a single common Delta Quadrant-type *Borg Cube* versus the Reman warbird *_Scimitar_* Reminder: Praetor Shinzon intentionally held-back the full force of the _Scimitar_ when engaging the _Enterprise_- it was a slow and methodical fight to disable, _not_ to destroy. (It was also a fight of ego- Shinzon slowly and methodically picking apart Picard's pride-and-joy.) Otherwise, had the live capture of Picard not been an issue, she would have torn through the Starfleet ship like tissue paper just as quickly as she had the two Romulan warbirds. Also, the majority of damage the _Scimitar_ recieved was a result of the collision- had that not happened, she would have remainded the superior on the battlefield (hence Shinzon's dick-ish move of casually sitting right in front of the crippled _Enterprise_). Using on-screen sources only (and no video games), I think that because of Trekkers' common reaction to her "OP-ness", the _Scimitar_ would have a good opening while the Borg try to track her. Then, once they see through the cloak, the _Scimitar_ would turn the cloak off and redirect _that_ power to her weps and shields. Since we know disrupters are more damaging than phasers, and that the Borg have not been directly exposed to _any_ Romulan/Reman technology, they would struggle at first with adapting to what the _Scimitar_ was throwing at them. I am _not_ declaring who would win! My point is merely that, in this particular fight, the Borg would not have an immediate and easy victory in a 1v1. *A* - no thalaron weapon (too many unknowns regarding how deploying it affects an undamaged _Scimitar_ and how the Borg would shield themselves from it) *B* - no Scorpion fighters (they may be agile, but they'd be shot down very quickly and the Borg are not know for being distracted or decoyed easily) *C* - the battle takes place under the assumption that both vessels are not damaged by a ship-on-ship collision, or that the _Scimitar_ flying through some naturally-occuring gaseous, dust or plasma formation wouldn't expose her while cloaked *D* - Shinzon does not have to be in command of the _Scimitar_ during this fight, although his experience in combat would be an obvious advantage (this is mostly a technology VS technology fight)
In my opinion the enterprise from Nemesis is a bit weaker than a borg sphere (i would say that its about 20% weaker). So that would make the Scimitar either equal to a sphere or anything up to 100% stronger than a sphere, which is still a lot weaker than a cube. In a one on one tech v tech fight the cube will surely win, but i dont think that it would be en easy victory. The scimitar will damge the cube quite badly. Leaving the borg aside, how were the reman slaves able to build in secrecy and under romulan supervision at all times a ship that is more powerful than the strongest ship the federation has ever made and two valdore type warbirds? So slaves in mines are better at designing warships than the brightes federeation minds? The feds have a vast supply of resources, scientists from hundrets of different planets, a multitude of different development companies, 300 years of experience and extensive education, but the best warship that they have designed didnt even take half of the scimitars shields. And what do the remans have? No education, no previous shipbuilding experience (no experience whatsoever, they are just labourers, they work in mines all day), no scientific knowledge and they have to work in secrecy. How the f*ck did they build this thing? The whole idea of the scimitar is just pure bullsh*t.
+Stanimir Georgiev Oh, don't get me wrong- _Star Trek Nemesis_ was a disaster on many levels and was _basically_ the _Batman & Robin_ of Star Trek. So I'm not gonna advocate _too_ strongly for it. That wasn't my point in my initial posting. (To be honest, I don't have much respect for the JJ-verse either...)
-Personally I hate the color coding they did for the alien races and it was usually green for the bad guys -The Fleet was wining the fight (the shield were down) -If you listen to the trasmission of the initial encounter the fight started at the Federation border at greater than Warp 9. Defiant was one of the first ships to engage the Cube at the Border. -Cubes are decentralized. Borg Power sources are completely unknown. (I doubt it a warp core) -I don't see anything wrong with the Borg having a logo from what we understand they started off like any other species exponentially expanding their reliance on technology. But remember the Borg Logo was only EVER seen in connection with the Renegade Borg of Descent TNG. The games gave that logo to the Borg because we like logos. -The original Borg Cube was approximately -There really is nothing wrong with Voyager surviving a against a tactical Cube tech wise as long as it doesn't win. The problem is they couldn't even mount a defense against a sphere in one episode so it's really about how they wrote it. I'm not sure why so many fans get stuck on this too the point of controversy. It's bad writing...where's the controversy? www.stexcalibur.com/forum/index.php/topic,7941.20.html -If you plan on a future episode check out Darkstar's database on Borg History from canon. -The original Cube from Q-who was 1,816 meters cubed
+saquist wrote "-The original Cube from Q-who was 1,816 meters cubed" Unless that's a typo on your part, the Q, Who? Cube is *not* that small! Did a scaling of that cube on Starfleet Jedi.net: www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6347 The minimum average is 2.074 km to a *side*, and so would have a volume of 8.92 km^3.
It's good to meet another Trek-Analyst I didn't my own via Sketchup's Photomatch. This doesn't seem to be a lower limit. This seems to be withing at least 200meters of accurate. Check out the the Thread *Six Degrees of Galaxy Firepower and Shields* Thread Beginning www.stexcalibur.com/forum/index.php?topic=7941.0 Q Who Analysis www.stexcalibur.com/forum/index.php/topic,7941.20.html This analysis accounts for the wide angle lens used for the Cube. Tell me what you think.
+saquist Well, its not a bad effort. I wish I could go into more, but it seems that no matter how I try to adjust the settings, I can't put in more than a certain amount of characters in the commentary boxes. Suffice to say, the Google Sketchup, which I've worked with, is flawed because it only attempt at recreating the cube scene from the 1 angle and not the other 2. So no, my final conclusion, especially if you look at 2046's (aka Robert Scott Anderson, aka Darkstar) follow up analysis, the cube is somewhat larger, especially when the third view of the E-D banking in at it to escape is accounted properly for, the cube is at least 2,133 m to a side, or 9.7 cubic km in volume. Also none of you looked at the star surfing episodes, like TNG's "Allegiance " (Lokna Pulsar), "I, Borg" (E-D sits in a star's chromosphere for a long time to hide from the Borg), "Relics" (E-D handles being in coronal mass ejections from a G-type star for 3 hrs on 23% shields). Example: www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2415&hilit=lonka+pulsar
Feel free to join the Excalibur Forum I'm interested in your input on this subject matter. Most of the commentators were remarkably lazy and mostly offered little of substance. -Sketchup can match multiple photos to the same objects. I chose not to because I know the different scenes are actually scaled to the detail of the Borg Cube. I don't propose this is the ACTUAL size of the Borg Cube but it was necessary to determine how much material was vaporized in the Q Who Phaser Strike which could potentially be a ridiculous amount with the Voyager stated Cube size. I determined even this small size was too much but far more plausible. I'm looking into the Stellar Encounters now while Determining a lower and upper limit of Borg Cube Shields.. -TNG: Descent: The CME was called "A super flud Mass Ejection. But I haven't figure out how run the denisty of a superfluid, temperature and the area the Borg ship took the force of from the CME -The pulsar during Allegiance was not a good cannidate because without knowing other characteristics it's too vague -Relics was another good example but I haven't gone into full search for this area. Right now I'm comparing destruction events of Borg Cubes. The CME in Descent and damage and destruction of the Borg Cubes in Scorion Part I from the destruction of the planet because these are more solid quanities that tell us what a Cube can't take. -I'll be studying your numbers in dept you've already been a huge help by providing the arithmetic examples.
+saquist Well, nothing wrong with going with a conservative estimate, it is professional and it helps people get an understanding of just how incredible some of the feats of Star Trek technology really are that many fans take for granted, and most especially by certain people who want to deny or brush it off in the Versus Debates. As for joining Excalibur. My apologies, I can't do that right now as my non-internet responsibilities take too much time and I have only enough for my many other hobbies, and one forum... Starfleet Jedi.Net. I disagree respectfully on "Allegiance" since we know a great deal about real life pulsars. Hence my using information on the Crab Nebula pulsar in the calculations. The fact that the Lokna pulsar was very massive really gives food to thought about just what punishment the E-D's shields were really tanking there! The renegade Borg ship in "Descent" is not a good choice since it uses an off-nominal Borg vessel... one used in a diagram in Voyager's "Scorpion, Part 2" as a 5 million isoton mine! Better to use instead the planet explosion that three Borg cubes tank at the end of Scorpion part 1. If you know how much energy is involved and how to do the inverse square calcs, you'll really get some scary numbers! Another example of the E-D's firepower you guys missed was the "A Matter of Time" example of the E-D's phasers being used to turn all the dust covering a planet's atmosphere into PLASMA, and then the plasma is sucked up by the nav deflector, and shot into space! That's a pretty insanely impressive feat and we get the only canon statement on a Federation starship's phaser output. Data indicates that a if the phaser output variance cannot be controlled to 0.06 terawatts (60 gigwatts... which was considered the narrowest of margins) it will burn off ALL of the planet's atmosphere!
I think it would depend upon the Borgs capabilities at the time. (Meaning TOS era ships vs TOS era Borg collective.) I don't know how old the Borg are as a species. I don't think the Federation would have been able to take on the Borg in TOS era effectively.
