Trent Horn | Answering LGBT Revisionist Theory | 2023 Defending the Faith Conference 

Wait, I only know about venial and grave sins, is there a sin rating guide I should know about? My catchiest only taught about that one unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit. Maybe I missed the part you’re talking about.

Evil has been called good, and good evil, since Proverbs

@robertstephenson6806 What's your argument?

@@videonmode8649 Aw, c'mon. He's pretty clear. It's that although conservatives spend a lot of time condemning gay sex, they don't spend nearly as much time condemning adultery and fornication. That's a valid point.

@@saints51 Don't worry about politics. We are all sinners and those who downplay their own sins without repentance will reap what they sow.

but homophobia is the sin

Dear@@pastorbri, yes, homophobia rejects a *person* by conflating that person with the particular sin by which that person is tempted, and that is sinful. (We often make the mistake of calling someone "a homosexual", as though a person's identity IS that person's sexual orientation! Could anything be sillier? People are much. much more than that!) Let us reject all sin, absolutely! (Starting with our own sin!!) But... People are people -- sinners though we be -- and deserve to be loved. Second greatest Commandment, you know, is to love one another.

@@susand3668 Well we call you homophobics "Homophobics" as though a person's identity IS that person's bigotry! Could anything be sillier? People are much. much more than that! Let us reject all sin, absolutely! (Starting with our own sin!!) But... People are people -- sinners though we be -- and deserve to be loved. Second greatest Commandment, you know, is to love one another.

U know homophobia is still a sin?

Dear@@pastorbri, excuse me, did you read what I wrote? My very first word was "yes" -- and the rest of what I wrote was supporting my agreement with you. Yes, absolutely, homohobia is a sin. And I know it is a sin. I just think it is silly besides. Are you okay? Not understanding that I am on your side worries me.

AMEN!!! SO GLAD U CAME TO THE SACRAMENTS!!! I try2 bring everyone I can to healing from Jesus through the Sacraments which Jesus instituted for us to eliminate oppression from the devil and to bring us God's grace. Hallelujah. God bless you!

homophobics hate truth

Homophobics defend satan

Faith is , what made the Canaanites believe in their gods and sacrifice some of their babies to them.

Two young archeologists, Derek and Margo, and their nomad friend Mochi, suddenly find themselves trapped and sinking in a whirling pool of sand...

Why? The majority of believers operate purely on gullible credulity and psychological need. Apologetics is esoteric pseudo-intellectualism that persuades almost no one with intellectual depth and advanced education.

u know homophobia is still a sin?

At least the old VeggieTales did.

Kids also know homophobia is a sin till religious folk lie to them

@@pastorbri Lol, according to whom? Most people are naturally disgusted by same sex relations. The fact that people pretend that perversion is beautiful is far greater evidence of social indoctrination

​@@pastorbriDon't worry, most of us aren't afraid of same-sex attracted people. It is better to have objection towards the disordered sinful acts instead.👍

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 No as homophobia is not a fear so I know most homophobics are not scared of LGBT....you have a love of distorted hate instead.

homophobia is sinful

@@pastorbri what exactly is homophobia? Phobia is an irrational or pathological fear, but I doubt that this is what you mean. Do you mean that regarding homosexual acts as a sin is itself a sin?

@@cromi4194 But what are homosexual acts???? As homophobics don't even know. Is it 2 women holding hands? 2 men who hug? Is it anal sex? If yes then thats most heterosexuals stuffed but not lesbians as they don't do that......I bet even you don't know what is a homosexual act. After all, a homosexual is simply someone attracted to their own sex and an act could be anything, doing the bills or shopping. Maybe u need to re think what it is you want to condemn?

that condemns billions olf heterosexuals then who can't or choose not to have kids.

@pastorbri the catholic church teaches that having sex while chosing not to have children is a disordered act, as it contradicts the very purpose or telos of sex. The idea is that creation is structured in a perfectly meaningful way. The reason sex exists at all and is pleasurable is because of its procreative power. In a sense you could view it as a self-contradictory act to engage in sex and actively prevent procreation. The very reason why there is sex is because of procreation. You divorce it of its meaning and therefore alienate yourself from meaning itself and thus from God. Now reality is there to serve your pleasure. People who cannot have children are different, as they are not actively preventing procreation. I would assume they are still called to go to the medical professionals to try to solve the issue. But if you chose not to have children, the church demands that you live s celibate life, indeed. You frame this as a condemnation but the church would say that sex doesn't have a purpose in that case and ought to be avoided. Also you should not get married if you chose not to have children as again you divorce marriage from one of its attributes. The teaching is actually very simple and appears very coherent to me. It is very much in line with the idea to not value the worldly things as much and store treasures in heaven.

J.Martin

@@MB-zn9vg Gee big surprise.....

Sadly many and they have blockaded men who disagree with them from the priesthood. +

homosexuality is not the issue there

well homophobics are simple folk @@MPFXT

Over and above abortion?

@@matthewthomasjames I am in jest

no there is just the old law as one

No there is the Ceremonial and Moral Laws according to the New Testament. The New Testament teaches there is a New Covenant, and that Jesus fulfilled the Old. That we are still bound not to sin, and to follow His Commandments (Moral Law), but that all good is clean for example, that we don’t have to be circumcised, etc, because the Ceremonial Law no longer applies

As a Deist I think all of those laws where man made, not given by god. If they were from god and thought for all humanity god wouldnt have created humans 300k years ago, then hide 295k years to humans and then 5k years ago give those laws to a very small group of people while the planet was already full of humans.

no it condemns male same sex acts in idolotry

Never mentions idolatry though?

All it says is that a man should not lay with a man as a wom-n

@@kyrptonite1825what

and yet it does@@kyrptonite1825

i would also argue that the ppl of Israel stand as everlasting testimony that a Nation CAN exist without physical borders drawn on paper maps

...sorry i'm talking to myself,... But it just now occurred to me: in Shakespeare, there is comic relief because like in Titus Andronicus where Lavinia's uncle (?) interlocutes her abuse (her tongue was cut out) to the audience, was actually a moment to use props and grotesquely portray in comedy something so horrific that the emotional pressure valve was released... is there any chance Lev. acts the same way but by way of inversion? "Gee Genesis & Exodus are some heavy hitters... We need to tone it down a bit... Get scientific and cool it down with stats...or everyone's gonna lose it!! " 😂

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Trent doing ANY kind of comedy is unsettling

yes we can blame homophobia for this

@@pastorbri I had homophobia for a few friends of mine who thought they were immuned to their partners' disease in hundreds of one night stands in the 80s. Mother nature made quite a statement in taking the lives of some 30 mill perverts. By the way, I'm also an incestophobe, beastophobe and also detest child abusers, aren't U?

I would be inclined to agree in some sense, but to push back and say that isn't the point of this talk. This talk is to refute the trend of watering down the message of Scripture regarding this particular sin, but not to condemn or convert anybody who is struggling with the sin

You are right! As a Deist I think all religions are man made subjective interpretations of a possible god/gods with man made moralities based on the knowledge and situation of the time they where written in. So the bible contains man made wisdom as much as man made fallacies: + light wasn't there before the sun + the earth wasn't there before the sun + Adam and Eve didn't exist + insects have six legs not four legs + the value of Pi isn't 3 + homosexuality is not a seduction by a satan, but a natural born healthy sexual orientation with an evolutionary sense + the "firmament" is not a solid "roof" over the world + the moon doesn't produce visible light + etc etc Hopefully they understand that one day and correct that fallacies.

I know it's dangerous to assume, but would you say the same thing to a pedophile? Is it arrogant to tell a pedophile they can never have a meaningful physical encounter? I'm not being smart. I'm really asking where do you draw the line? What about sibling "love?" Trent isn't telling people. He's only relating what God is telling people.

@@motherbhaerbear3807 To make your point, you have to compare 2 consenting gay adults to a pedophile. Why not compare them to a murderer or a psychopath? Sorry, but this does not work and is called a straw man arguement. Gay men are not pedophiles.

@@willchristie2650 you can compare them to pederasty. Two consenting people, one is just older. The point is that the Bible gives instruction and limits on behavior. If you don't believe the Bible ok, that's a different argument. If you do believe it is God's word then you need to submit to it.

@@motherbhaerbear3807 You look for a line? How about consensual sex?

I see your point and agree...But, I have to reflect to myself, "What does it accomplish?" by naming him? Does it not give him and his sin more attention?

Trent has several videos where he specifically discusses Fr. James Martin and his ministry. His distaste for Martin’s work is no secret. But Fr. Martin isn’t nearly the only priest who (deliberately) says confusing things regarding the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. Why single him out when it’s a much bigger problem than just one Jesuit priest? Many of the viewers likely personally know a priest who does the same thing.

He does call him out by name at the end of this talk around 58 minutes into the talk. So....

well homophobics are simple folk

I agree

YES. And he often tries to come across as a jovial fellow when I find him to be a pompous, bigotted little troll

He isn’t funny, but I don’t know why anyone would be hateful towards him. I think he does a pretty good job. I’m not Catholic or heterosexual.

Where does the Bible say you can interpret it as you please? And furthermore, what about 1 Corinthians 6:9, and other verses where Paul condemns such practices? Not to mention the Old Testament.

I’m not sure you know this, but the Catholic Church rejects the notion of sola scriptura. The whole point of the Magisterium’s existence is to definitively teach matters of the faith so Catholics aren’t left to interpret Scripture by themselves. The Bible was not intended to be the sole source of divine teaching.

It is easy to forget that our church does not make the rules for over 90 percent of the world. Many people read the Bible. And see things differently than you or I or our church.

@@johnhancock9384 Certainly. But that doesn’t make their interpretations correct. Especially when they directly conflict with other parts of Scripture.

We cannot pick one verse & interpret we have to take the whole Word.The greatest commandment Jesus taught us is Love the Lord thy God with all your heart,mind & soul & then love your neighbor as yourself..its not vice versa. Unless you love the Lord & follow his commandments first one cannot pretend to love their neighbor.