I love how he seems genuinely surprised when declared guilty. Like, he is so megalomaniacal that he actually thinks they'll not only let him go, but that they'll thank him for his despicable actions. True politician, that one.
I reflexively starting thinking Shredder would yell that it was a fake tribunal and the court is illegitimate. There is a widespread turtle conspiracy with media giants like April O'Neal that seek to spread misinformation against heroes like Shredder in order to take over via the deepstate. It was turtle fascists that committed those crimes while dressed as peaceful Shredder protestors. #WWG1WGA
@@arturocardona140 Shredder is a progressive revolutionary that seeks to advance the planets he conquers as a means of creating a fairer system of government galactically. He has shown a desire to improve technology, and further women's rights in practice in positions of power within his organization, as well as in diverse hiring positions of his top staff. SHREDDER TRUE GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED ANYWHERE. ALL THIS PROGRESS WAS TAKEN AWAY BY THE FASCIST SUPREME COURT.
It's funny, yes. But also justified because on Earth he had to start from scratch, and on his parting words to the mayor, it was pretty obvious he was coming back in the future to do some lovely things to earthlings after he went back to space and got his stuff ready.
_"The show has barely commenced, and I already give it a standing ovation! This promises to be more entertaining than the Darkmoon Faire! I will not say I am guilty, for that denotes shame. Nor will I protest innocence, for I claim no such. Let the Comedy Begin!"_ -Garrosh Hellscream, _War Crimes_
Yeah, but spreading terror was something every other emperor, king and warlord did on earth anyway. Really, he was just going native on earth with that, it is hardly a war crime to act exactly like everyone else at the time on that planet. Especially considering that the more successful one was, the more stability they brought for a while, and i would assume he was really successful.
Shredder is a psychopath, they're mentally incapable of grasping anything beyond themselves. Even if they know it's not true intellectually, they just can't emotionally. As far as he's concerned, the universe exists solely to sate his vulgar appetites.
I like how they mention the shredder deliberately killed 6849 quadrillion people and not only need a moment to simply declare him guilty, but he is also surprised somehow
This scene was so cathartic. Even then Karai still blindly defended Shredder and swore revenge. She was there at the trial, she knows her adoptive father was an alien, and she has seen his cruelty but still followed in his foot steps anyway. I’ll just chalk it up to Saturday morning cartoon logic.
I agree, I hate that despite all of this she still swore to follow his wicked ways, but at the same time ignorance is blind, and in that moment all Karai took away from that was that her father had been forcibly taken away from her, and it’s somewhat fitting because Karai’s biggest flaw is that she always followed the shredder despite all his evil doings because she believes it’s her fate to serve him no matter what
@@eazyboibreezy4077 that what happens when you're indoctrinated from a young age, she was so conditioned she could never break free even when she knew she was on the wrong side
Utrom Shredder committed a genocide on Galactic scale. Trillions and trillions were killed. And even in one point tried to destroy the multiverse. Truly THE most evil Shredder of all.
By my count of the numbers that the utroms said he was responsible for, it was somewhere over four million. But maybe your also referring to that episode where Donatello gets sent into the future or something.
Is it just me or the animation and art style on that show was really stellar? It doesn't look dated at all, which is what you would perhaps expect from a show that debuted 20 years ago.
2000s 2d animations hold up really well, for the most part. I mean animations are more stiff than some modern cartoons. But other than that, it still like how it looks
@@teneesh3376 Well that also depends on what team is working on what title. There's 2D animation from the 60s that looks better than even a lot of shows nowadays. Throughout almost any era there's different qualities of animation to different shows/movies since it's literally whatever you can draw that gets made. The late 70s and especially early 80s are about the only era that is almost consistently not good when it comes to American animation. For this show it's stiffer than some, but it's definitely more animated than other shows. The impressiveness of it I think comes more from the actual art of the show.
2003 series was interesting mix. 80's series featured no utroms or triceratons at all (Krang is visually one on one with Utroms, but they do not exist in that continuity and Krang current form was result of him losing original body) while this series lifted some storylines directly from original comics and melded some ideas with 80's series. Current IDW incarnation is quite interesting as well: Shredder is back being separate person but isn't backed by Utroms in any way. He's dead now, but chances are he might be resurrected. Krang and Ch'rell are also back and now part of Utroms and Triceratons have gotten some retcons as well, since now they're lifelong enemies of Utroms and Federation is allied with Krang. I should really look into it more.
Krang is an Utrom in this. Near the end of the second episode of secret origins an utrom who sound a bit like krang says he hates walking on his tentacles and the one next to him tells him to shut up and calls him krang.
“You are not fit to judge me I am the Shredder!” That lines so badass even with his theme playing in the background you forget he’s about to get exiled 😂😂😂😂
I think murder of Guardians (which Yoshi was one) would be classified under "crimes against the Utrom Homeworld" since you know he died protecting the stranded Utroms who were trying to find a way back home
It could be since earth wasn't a galactic species yet they couldn't include his earth crime but instead ruled his earth crimes as interference with a primitive races world.
There is no Alpha Ceti VI! Complete Edit: Line should be "This is Ceti Alpha V!", I got Wrath of Khan and The Doomsday Machine mixed together by mistake. The line I mixed it with was "There is no third planet!" said by Kirk to Matt Decker.
Yeah but this time he wasn't able 2 get out on his own, the 80's shredder & krang r the only reason y he escaped they teleported him back 2 earth & instantly regretted that they did
Well, in their defense, in this case the exile actually was fairly effective. He didn't show up for the rest of the show, and when he finally did come back in Turtles Forever, it took a Shredder from an alternate reality to bring him back. Compared to comic book villains who constantly escape, this was surprisingly effective.
@@Theokal3 and dig this in a lost fast forward episode shredder was going to come back in a triceraton cyborg hybrid body. Since a triceraton recon ship found shredder in his asteroid prison and freed him by accident not knowing who he was exactly ( since pan galactic alliance code apparently stated that any celestial body giving off life signs was to be investigated) he wound up taking over the ship and gained the new body in the process and was headed to earth to get revenge. It would have also been the return of morto and Leatherhead
I feel deep down he knew Shredder wasn't so easily disposed of. He just tries to make peace with that fact every day, no matter how good Schadenfreude would feel.
It must have felt like all of the most satisfying things happening at once. Peeling a sticker without and of the paper being stuck to it, being able to cut a straight line with an xacto, all of the satisfying feelings at once.
@@SuperVladdrakula Nope, actually^^ the Shredders we got in the next seasons were different characters entirely. Ch'rell himself didn't return until Turtles Forever, and they killed him here.
@@Theokal3 "Nope, actually^^ the Shredders we got in the next seasons were different characters entirely." You're wrong. The Shredder is an evil spirit/entity that just has many forms, naturally. How is it different if he doesn't really change? You don't make any sense.
I’m glad that the Shredder got what he deserved, but the person (or Turtle) I feel bad for is Leonardo. After all the events that happened after the trial, Leo went through a phase of depression, of anger, and he wasn’t himself. I think that he got that way not only because of what he, his brothers, and his master went through, but also because Karai stabbed him in the side after he tried to help her.
Don’t forget that he almost committed attempted multiversal genocide like when he tries to murder an entire multiverse of Ninja Turtles by killing off the Mirage comic versions (the original versions of the Ninja Turtles).
@@ArcTrooperRod-269even worse: a psychopath. Sociopaths would try to justify what they did (warped moral compass) but shredder genuinely doesnt give a crap.
He was forced to be more careful on Earth because of Bishop and the justice force, but when they defeated him he tried to be elected mayor, from there the path was paved for him to the presidency of the United States and then world domination
@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233. I haven’t watched the show but assuming he ran a terrorist group with similar rates of murder as say the taliban which managed to kill 1095 people between august 2021 and may 2023, he would’ve killed 59.7 thousand people by the end of the century, assuming my math is right.
2003 TMNT is still my favourite version of the turtles to this day and in my opinion the best version. Plus I found this version of the Shredder to be very intimidating unlike the 80's cartoon version or the 2012 version
@Thomas Elliott John Campbell you’re crazy,2012 Shredder was just as intimidating if not more as 2000s Shredder. 2012 Shredder eventually gave us the first cartoon version of Super Shredder,and even killed Splinter
@AdamAddict This shredder is actually stronger than that version of shredder, and spooned even confirmed that shredder almost killed him. And 2003's shredder used more lethal force. And cruelty. A prime example is Baxter stockman. In 2012 Shredder mutated stock man into a fly, but that PALES in comparison to what he had to go threw in 2003, every time we saw him he would come back missing a limb he stated that he was torn apart piece by piece, limb by limb, until he was literally just a brain with one eyeball. 2012 stock man got off very easy compared to what 2003 had to go threw. And this shredder had the best design and a more intimidating voice.
My only complaint is that this Karai became really stupid when despite all the evidence otherwise she still chose her father over the turtles because of fucking honor
Would we agree that this shredder is the most cruel and most diabolically, destructively evil version we got. He literally discovered that his existence was connected to the turtles from the comics and if they perish, they all do and he decided that it be better to seize from existing rather than being connected to the turtles😐
Out of all the tmnt villains the utrom shredder of this series is probably the most dangerous villain not just in the 2003 show but including the 2012 which had a lot of guys that did similar things but also the movies comics and 87. He even killed almost all the turtles in turtles forever if the prime turtles died everyone died including the 87 1990s 2012 and Michael bay turtles and villains would have died including kranng prime hun kavaxas lord dregg and the tricaretons
He is indeed the most vile of all incarnations to date, but the 2012 Shredder also was quite self-destructive when fueled by hate. He actually caused the apocalypse because he willingly prioritized his revenge over saving Earth.
@Kojirremer there's still a tiny, microbial smidgen of humanity in his disgusting little heart, as we see when Leo speaks to him shortly before Shredder's killed. Ch'rell, though? Absolute sociopath. No empathy, no attachments, just pure malice and spite.
Back when I was a kid, I watched this version of TMNT from the time it first came on, and when the Utroms first showed up, they SCARED THE LIVING *SHIT* OUT OF ME. I mean, come on, these guys all stand in a circle, their skin falls off and reveal these metal skeletons with muscles still on them, and these shriveled, disembodied heads just come floating out of holes where their stomachs are supposed to be... I was so horrified I *LITERALLY* threw up from the sheer fear alone! I didn't even care whether they were the good guys or not, that image scarred me for a looooong time! XD
You got 2 Shredders ...this one that is a genocidal madman --and the other one that wears blade-wielding body armor, a cape, with a black bodystocking?!? No wonder the genocidal Shredder tore the other Shredder an new one LOL!
Actually, in the original comics Shredder never was the main villain (in fact he was killed in the first issue); Krang from the 80's cartoon was loosely based on the Utroms alien race (the ones you see onscreen) who were recurrent foes (and later allies) of the Turles in the comics (which is also why the evil Utroms from the 2012 TMNT cartoon are called "The Kraang" as an homage to him, heck he even appears in the "tran sdimensional turtles" episode as one of them!), they were also the ones who created the mutagen who turned Splinter, the Turtles, and Leatherhead into humanoid beings. So Ch'rell is techically an amalgamation of Shredder AND THE UTROMS, not Krang...but it's a commom mistake, since the 80's cartoon was far more popular than thecomics back in the day!
Actually,Krang and Ch`rell were separate rogue Utroms who rejected the pacifistic and diplomatic reforms of their species. The difference being Krang reluctantly accepted them out of cowardice and insecurity whilst Ch`rell regarded his fellow Utroms as traitors to what he saw as their glorious warlike and intergalactic colonial past!(Indeed, it`s somewhat implied his fetish for feudal Japan was influenced somewhat by his nostalgia for the Utroms` more warlike glory days.)
@@ChildofNature-hx8ev That's in a different continuity. In this the Krang are not a species. There's an Utrom named Krang, but that's it. Krang was made up more for the original cartoon where he was based on the Utroms.
Yea, the creators of tmnt 2003 decided on the Ultrom twist for Shredder, which was great writing imo. Shredder was also a historical figure and rumored anyone who takes his mantle develops his persona
@@edward18517 I know. Krang`s species varies from version to version .In the 1987 one, he was part of an unnamed reptilian species that was melted down to his brain and subsequently had to use robot exosuits like the Utroms to survive on Earth but he was never identified as an Utrom explicitly. In the 2012 series, the Kraang were said to be a rogue faction of the Utroms mutated and psychically corrupted into a militant hive mind by Kraang-Prime though some like Bishop,Queen and Rook eventually broke the conditioning.
Seriously, Karai? You're shocked by this? You KNOW what your foster father is like. You SAW the testimonies! You heard the body counts! You KNEW what verdict was coming.
If the 2012 Ninja Turtles ever do a crossover with the 2003 Turtles (just like they did with the 80's show), it would be cool if they bring back Ch'rell!!!!!
Atleast The Nickelodeon Turtles treat the 80's Version with Respect, Unlike The 4Kids version, also 4Kids turned Shredder into an Alien before it was Cool, *cough* Teenage Alien Sci-fi Turtles *cough*.
Nothing against 2012 shredder but chrell had bigger gialsxand ambitions. And he came close archiving them. He was also darker and arguably more ruthless. 2003 series may have some flaws but chrell wasn't one of them.
That explains why shredder didnt die from the water tower falling on him..how he was able to vanish through flames and most of all how he was able to get up and walk away headless. Cause he wasnt human..he was an alien who took on many different disguised identies as a warlord..shredder was a robotic suit like Crang had in the original series.
One if the best version of the turtles. Real shame stockman couldn't be present in the court he'd be laughing historically with contempt/satisfaction. I like the cgi Nick cartoon aswell but this one tops it
I LOVE both those versions! This, and the tmnt cgi movie were part of my childhood, i think i either saw the tmnt movie in theatres then rented it over and over on dvd(possibly either saw the trailers in dvds and or in theatres and on tv beforehand), or i saw the trailers on dvd, saw the movie on dvd, and then rented it a ton. I still wonder which series and it's events that movie is technically canon to... I would LOVE to know.. Still... It would make sense if it were this one. Since the shredder was dead(and if this one is indeed the prequel to the movie, that would mean the true shredder and the one that was mirai's father) and that mirai and the foot had no quarrel with the turtles enough to try and actually kill em and they easily worked together in the movie. This and the fact that casey and april and splinter in portrayals are honestly A LOT in for near or exactly like their character designs in this show. Plus, the fact that they didn't use the mystic martial arts or weapons they learned and earned in the movie, shows that they really were done with some of the biggest threats they had faced and were ready to settle and do what may come with their lives and all. I mean, they basically wereon hiatus or practically done with so many major villian fighting that things got boring for them, but then a great new threat appears, even greater than before and possibly worse than the original shredder himself. So i guess it makes sense... Maybe i was right.....
@@matthewnewman6039 Krang is also just an utrom. And a random one. EDIT: I mean the **2003** Krang. Just in case someone is preparing to torch my house.
2:37 You got to be kidding me with that reaction Karai. Shredder kill Trillion of innocent species and she is shocked. Shredder is a irredeemable monster how could she not see that. What she think the utrom expected to give Ch’rell and nice vacation to the section B the beach planet.
Cause he raised her as her “father” and was the only one who gave her meaning from when they met when she was a homeless child in Japan, she loved him for saving her, so she did as he asked, as stupid as it may sound, she just couldn’t believe what was happening, was indeed so.
I think she is shocked by the numbers, on Earth from what I saw of the show Shredder really only killed as needed, in his other crimes though he wiped out nations, add on the motives for some of them for example: he funded a civil war for the sole purpose of mining.
@@samhershey4644 the production team weren’t allowed to use any graphic terms, they had to put the word “Perish” in place of “death”, because it was a kids show, and rated such, they were wormed for using the backstreet stockman new body where he turns into a zombie etc etc, it wouldn’t really be possible to kill off ch’rell, they couldn’t really say 100% they were getting rid of him, he’s the shredder, a massive part of the story
@@NapoIeoneBuonaparte Right, I was more responding to the point Nova made, how Karai seemed shocked when she heard the numbers that Shredder's crimes killed, yet she knew Shredder's character
So Shredder commits numerous war crimes galaxywide, and his punishment is just exile? For every villain like that in existence, exile is just a vacation, compared to worse fates that they actually deserve!
Probably weren't allowed to just flat-out execute him with 4Kids. It does allow him to come back one last time though where he finally does get killed.
@@timezerohour8864 the asteroid he was sent to has NO RESOURCES WHATSOEVER. It's in the middle of what is essentially a barren wasteland of space. No one knows where it is to rescue him, and even if they could Morgal-Tal is on the edge of the known universe (to my understanding). The judge essentially said "Here's your grave. Get comfortable."
Well, they exiled him on an ice asteroid that basically has nothing in plain sight but just the cold. They can't keep him on their world, nor any other planet. Hell, not even an uncivilized planet would fit him. So that's basically a fate worse than death.
This is what should have happened to Steven Universe's Diamonds instead of "I am a child, what's your excuse"? Innocent lives lost for less then nothing and the villains aren't even punished for their crimes.
Then how would they uncorrupted the gems then. They needed all of the diamonds to be alive to uncorrupt the gems. So killing them won't really help in the end.
You will bow down to me, Splinter! I swear it! No matter that it takes an eternity! *YOU WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE ME! BOTH YOU AND THEN ONE DAY YOUR HEIRS!*
Eh, Shredder and Utrom. Krang was made up for the first cartoon but he was based on the Utrom species from the comics. This show is the closest they've done to the comics so it's just Utroms in this one.
“What TMNT is supposed to be” will you shut up. TMNT has different adaptations that appeal to different people. 2003 TMNT is a great series and a mostly faithful adaptation to the comics but ain’t no need to sound condescending about it
Watching this episode and seeing how close Shredder was at beheading Leo, it was satisfying seeing that giant suit disintegrated and Saki sent to his icy prison!
Eheh... I do remember Leo beheaded Shredder before... In your case, I guess the effects would of varied if Shredder went through with it--Leo wouldn't of gotten up..
I think that'd be in mostly anime. But I mean. The befriend villain part is bad unless done right which I would argue in many cases are. But I do know many cases where it's just.... Oh no.
Ch'rell:(holding Mikey by the neck) I AM the Shredder, no mortal can defeat m... "ring ring" Hold on. (throws micky down and answers his phone) Hello? I told you not to call me wile I'M WORKING... alright, quart of milk...dozen eggs... yes... yes I will... YES... love you too mom.
I gotta be honest, from here on out, Karai's loyalty to Ch'rell pisses me off, especially when you consider it continues even past him trying to kill everything in existence (including her).
@@beastwarsFTW Well in brutal fairness, these two listed atrocities by Ch'rell are not targeted genocide for the sake of genocide itself, aimed along ethnic, national, religious, and other grounds I can't neatly label. The second one was him was just chaos to keep any environmental regulations from being enforced. They don't say why he attacked the first one, butt if was just kills for the sake of killing, I'm inclined to think that Ch'Rell is an equal opportunity oppressor and mass murderer. Still a horrific monster, just not a bigot.
Always wondered how even after having Chrells crime proven directly to in front of her during a fair trial she seems to think he's being treated unfairly
Kraang prime is just the name of the hive mind that corrupted all connected utrom.kraang sub prime just goes along with the chaos. The other affected utrom just call themselves as kraang just because they are caring kraang prime’s will. I’m talking bout the 2012 one to be clear
Yeah it kind of irked me that they just decided to merge Krang and the Utrom species into kind of one thing after this. In this show it's more like how it was in the original comics.
in the 2012 they are basicly under a hive mind control by the actual utrom called Krang this is resolved in one of the latest arc's, with the remaining counsel of actual utrom's that have not fallen under his control. they are named after chess pieces for some reason, the guy meeting the turtles was bishop
@@robertlinke2666 Well I'm pretty sure they were named after chess pieces because they were following the naming of Bishop. Bishop was created for the 2003 show. He wasn't an Utrom but he looked the same as in the 2012 show and before he showed up in the 2012 one I kept wondering if they made the Krangg "bodies" look like Bishop intentionally (which it turns out they did since Bishop was an Utrom in that one). In the 2003 version Bishop's a human, and the soldiers that follow his orders are called his "Pawns".
It’s amazing how there able to teleport shredder and have this awesome alien technology but don’t have some futuristic device to heal the ninja turtle and master splinters wounds and just give them plain old bandages
Wasn't really combining the two, it feels more like it's expanding on what the original comics did. Krang was made up for the first show, but he was based on the Utrom species from the comics. This show is the closest they've done to the comics, but to make things more connected they had it turn out that Shredder in this one was an Utrom linking him more to the origins of the Turtles.
This scene inspired me to create an art piece that is called: The Trial of the Lord of Darkness. Where he is placed in front of God, the Angel's, and the Reapers of the Universe.
Karai: How dare you do this to my father! He was right about you Utroms. You are all heartless monsters! You all had no right to judge him this way! I swear, in honor of my father you will all pay with your lives!
@@ilikethecokev2 Why should she care? For all she knows, he's still her father and closest thing she has to a family, and they are their sworn lifelong enemies. Would you honestly listen more to what your enemies say about you and your family than to your own gut and family? They are your enemies, they say and do anything to hurt and destroy you, because that's what enemies do. What kind of brain-dead would willingly agree and go along with his enemies destroying him? You don't live with such problems with self-defence instinct for very long.
SuperVladdrakula if that’s the case why did she always question his cruel methods and go behind his back to help the turtles? She’s clearly a blind loyalist idiot. Remember that scene from static shock when two brothers were fighting and one said “blood is thicker than water” and the other one said “right and wrong is thicker than blood” being family shouldn’t get in the way of knowing what’s right and karai failed to know this
@@joshuawillis602 "being family shouldn’t get in the way of knowing what’s right" Right? "Right" is subjective, while family, if you have one, is the only thing you have and only thing you can ever. And you shouldn't abandon it just because of something someone said. "if that’s the case why did she always question his cruel methods and go behind his back to help the turtles?" Well, apparently, not enough.
Utrom 1: Ms. Karai, do you what to end up like your foster father for what he did to hurt our new friends, the turtles and they father, do you what to hurt them or kill them because you be a clumsy that you are stupid to never think, how many people they get kill by HIM! And also the childrens they get kill by him, you are a selfish and Dishonored for your so call clan and you become monster just like your foster father and don't you ever think about starting a war against us because you will join him as prisoner and don't you dare kill all innocent people of galaxy too, because we will put wanted poster of you and you'll become our enemy no matter what, so keep your mouth shut or you will join your foster father!😠
It's crazy that the place the Utrom Tribunal sent the Utrom Shredder to the very place that the Shredder from the 1980's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Kraang found him frozen in in the TMNT episode 'TURTLES FOREVER'.
Yeah that's true and the fact that of all the Shredders the G1 Shredder was a complete idiot,a crybaby and absolutely pathetic and whines a lot like he did numerous times throughout the G1 TMNT series.
You are sentenced to exile on a frozen asteroid! Now let's turn on this device that makes it look like you've been painfully disintegrated, despite the lore of teleportation being very difficult in this timeline!
From my understanding, the Utrom were far more technologically advanced compared to the D'Hoonib Federation, hence why they possessed teleportation tech whereas the latter were still unsuccessful in perfecting it.
Notice how they leave out the crimes he committed on Earth. Some people may say, "Oh, that's minor compared to what he did on other planets," but think about it. A crazed murderer and war criminal was stuck on Earth for over 1,000 years. He bought a ninja clan of assassins and thieves which eventually grew into a criminal empire. Countless people were killed by the Foot Clan, let alone by Shredder's hands. He even mentioned when he got the Sword of Tengu back how he used it to lay villages to waste, brought castles to ground and vanquished armies. He conquered Japan and gave power to the Tokugawa clan, which was a military dictatorship in the Edo period. The number of people he's killed or have been killed by his commands are still bound to be pretty high in number.
