Recently theorycrafting a land tribal deck that’s 5 colors. Main goal is to animate your lands into creatures in whatever way possible, make them tough enough or indestructible, then use Najeela for info time combats killing your opponents with basic lands punching them in the face over and over. Jank tribal is always more fun than super supported tribal
I'm a yugioh player who just recently started playing magic because my friend told me a card called Voja was recently released and I could play a wolf deck. I've seen other people say tribal decks' biggest strength is getting new players into magic and it certainly checks out for me!
Great video. Very interesting hearing your take one this. I am the complete opposite. I started in onslaught so tribal decks feel like nostalgic magic to me. I wish tribal wars was the main format, and each tier was clearly defined with certain tribes moving up or down in tier levels as cards are printed. It would be pretty fun playing a tier two or three tribe against someone else who was running a similar power level.
@@thetrinketmage they are really fun. I personally really like thallids. It would take too much banning to work as a format. Aether vial is too good in merfolk or elves, but it isn't overpowered in an aurochs deck.
I have two Angel tribal decks that work completely different from eachother. One is graveyard recursion, flash speed, doesn’t give a shit about board wipes, very aggressive with removal. The other is super defensive, pillow fort, battle cruisers that are immune to spot removal and centers on soft locking out opponents. I call them the nice angels and the mean angels
I like when tribe is not just alphobet soup, but has some mechanic that ties them together. Like hydras with +1/+1. Or like dinosaurs...were in the beginning. Yes, i'm still salty that they abandoned enrage, and turned dinos into another meatball tribal. Thats why fungus tribal with spore counters is my favorite
I also love building interesting decks. I built a Kykar deck that transmutes into Grozoth every game to grab a pile of 9 mana spells (most of which are split cards or blasphemous act etc), but the deck is built around casting worldfire. I have suspend spells, Chandra damage emblems, other ways to win after worldfire goes off. I’m very proud of the deck and it feels unique to me. However, some people don’t like brewing as much and just want a solid consistent deck that leads to satisfying wins. Combo decks and be randomly useless or broken and win early depending on how you draw, or can do nothing the whole game and randomly win after the whole table let you live out of pity. Tribal decks are consistent and fair, and just lead to satisfying games where you can see what’s coming and play around it. They are also very flavorful and have a unique restriction. If you want to be hipster, you can always play random tribe overlooked tribe members or pick a less popular tribe, or just build around a certain ability common among the tribe instead of just go wide combat deck
The Kykar deck sounds like fun! But I don’t agree with tribal decks leading to satisfying games. In fact combat damage is not at all what I would consider when thinking about satisfying games at all. Tribal decks normally win when players lack board wipes and usually do nothing when they are present. Combos are fine and fun I don’t think that just cause someone won with a combo it is not a satisfying game
@@thetrinketmage Yea that's fine, but some people just want to play decks that make funny board states instead of playing combo decks, as there are combo decks in every format and cEDH is also a combo-based format. I find a lot of combos to be not that satisfying for the table especially if they are too fast or easy to assemble or win in an obvious or easy way. But of course if you are playing high power and trying to just win the game by any means combos are the most efficient way to do that. Most people know running more board wipes would help them win but getting board wiped every turn is just not fun IMO. But people want different things out of commander games so it's totally fine just understand that going to an LGS and showing up with a control deck that board wipes every turn and then randomly wins with a 2-card combo, most tables won't have fun. But it all depends on the group I guess.
To me building fun synergies around your commander and having it stick around for a while really emphasizes the unique selling points of commander, especially as a casual format. When I get board wiped 5 times in a row trying to play commander, I think, I might as well not build around this and just play broken main deck 2-card combos like thoracle consultation, etc. But I don't find that really interesting.
I understand where this is coming from. I go to different game stores and I'll see the same decks builds; But I feel like that's more indicative of the state of the game in relation to EDHREC. It's a tool, but most people just use it to download decks. I'm relatively new to the game; but I started by going into Bulk bins and grabbing creatures that looked cool. I don't think people build decks with flavor or intention. My first commander build was built from a Draft box, I couldn't go over budget because the budget was the $100 I spent on the Box. The other issue is that people see your "durdley" deck and complain that it's not running optimized cards in the middle of the game. Dude I'm not going to check EDHREC every time a new set comes out. Everyone laughs in *sword of Feast and Famine* at Elfball until the Eldrazi with Annhilator 4 comes out. But I'm also the Hipster who wants Kithkin Tribal to get supported
I love building weird, uncommon tribal decks. Some of the ones I made, like Spiders and Myr, habe since recievef dedicated tribal commanders. Which, while it's nice to get support, it does mean decks are less unique. My Myr deck for example used Traxos as the commander and a win con, but now using anything other than Urtet is putting a handicap on your deck. Having no dedicated commanders means anything can work One of my favorite decks is technically tribal. It's a mixture of Kor Tribal and Equipment, using Nahiri, the Lithomancer as my commander. Balancing the two while building that deck, one I'm still refining, has taught me a lot about prioritizing cards.
Reason why i love my Eowyn human tribal deck. I have 3 main versions of this deck (human mid range/human tokens/human stax). Human is such a versatile tribe, with tons of options to build.
I’m currently trying to build for Gishath but every deck I reference for inspiration seems to be going the route of “high dino density, smash face” without leaving much room for support to make up for the deck’s weaknesses. They also don’t tend to focus on the enrage mechanic which is something I love and that helps separate dinos from dragons (I’m trying to build my deck around this sub theme but I’m an amateur brewer). I don’t think there’s necessarily anything wrong with the same-y vibe of tribal (except “go wide” tribes with anthems, those have never been interesting to me) but I do wish there was a bit to make individual tribes feel more unique. I also want to see some crazy tribal I’ve never seen or that doesn’t have as much support. I’m also not fond of tutors mainly because the people I know who run them seem to just use them to play the same small handful of cards every game and it’s boring. I’m not saying I’m completely against them, I also like playing toolbox style decks and they’re useful for that but the people I know don’t use them in this fashion.
Gishath is pretty simple. Fill it with the best dinos, white protection pieces, green ramp, red ramp/card draw. Then fill the rest of the space with creature buffs, particularly ones that let your creatures fight things. And there you have it, you're swinging every turn with huge damage and decent removal, protection on your key pieces and temporary ramp and draw with red
Ezuri, Renegade Leader decks, played carefully and without Eladamri on the board can regenerate their best elves they control to neutralize destruction wipes. Agree though that decks that are just about getting enough power on the board aided by type synergies and then winning with mass-buff/evasion/trample all out attacks can be kind of linear. Thus the EDHREC salt score for Craterhoof.
I play Sliver tribal, but my actual game plan is to set up a somewhat convoluted loop with the following cards: -The First Sliver -Morophon the Boundless -Hibernation Sliver -Darkheart Sliver For every two life paid I can keep bouncing The First Sliver and casting it from my hand for free, cascading each time I do so. Bonus points if I can keep it out and instead bounce any other 5 color Sliver lord to get the maximum cascade effect. Since the deck is packed full of Slivers ranging from 1cmc to 4cmc I can get a ton of them out pretty easily, then I can sacrifice the ones not required for the loop to gain three life per Sliver, then once I've cycled through all my Slivers in this manner, I can reset my deck by cracking Elixir of Immortality to keep cascading as many times as I need to to burn out my opponents with either Lavabelly Sliver or Sarkhan's Unsealing.
@thetrinketmage I don't have one typed up, but its going to go through a few changes anyway. Most of the Slivers in the deck are going to be serving utility purposes such as giving them haste, flying, the ability to tap for mana, etc. Then I run a suite of tutors and a few mana rocks to help get things out a little quicker. I've considered running Dormant Sliver in the deck, but I fear it'll actually just make me draw too many cards. The bulk of the deck however is just utility Slivers with cmc 4 or less, the Sliver lords that are WUBRG, and the tutors that can search out what you need like Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Signal The Clans, Eladamri's Call, Homing Sliver, etc. I've found there's not a ton of difference between running Overlord or First Sliver as the Commander, but either will do. And a lot of times once you assemble just a few pieces of the combo you'll end up cascading into the rest of it, or tutors to search them up.
Tribes got me into the game. I built a ur dragon deck that is different. I put my favorite dragons and has a ton of recurrsion because wipes end those decks. My main objective is to burn and i win 3v1s quite often and typically knock out control players quick😘
ive had people get actively frustrated/confused why my scarab god deck isn't a zombie deck. like bro? theres more to life than seeing the word "zombie" on a card and ramming your deck with the same 40 zombie cards
I basically always build decks towards a gimmick or a theme (whether its tribal or not). Like i have a mono white cat deck but its also my equipment deck. I have an elemental tribal deck that is specifically built around ETBs. I also have 2 tribal rat decks that play completely different and have almost no overlap and I am going to be building a third in BR with the Eldraine uncommon and its going to be a sacrifice deck, which is not something the others do at all. In response to the lords thing...thats kind of a narrow point of view. The +1/+1 is not the interesting thing about tribal support nor is it the thing that makes the decks hum. Its all the extra weirdo abilities those cards also tend to have or give. Dragons are the best because they just have a ton of support. Dragon support doesnt even give +x/+x more of the time. It gives keywords or other effects that trigger on cast or attack. Sure elves and goblins have a lot of old lords that just give +1/+1 but the bulk of tribal cards printed today are much more interesting than that....I also have also cut almost every tutor from every deck I own. Redundancy is not the same as fishing out the same best card in my deck every game. Also, the commander can make a big difference in how the game plays out. Ur Dragon, Myraim, and Zurgo and Ojutai all overlap red and blue but i assure you those decks do not feel the same.
You have 2 rat decks that don’t share any cards???? How?!?! As for the dragon thing at the end there I would argue those all feel very similar. They just play dragons and attack for the most part I don’t see much difference
@@thetrinketmage I have a mono black rat deck with....well I haven't decided who I actually want to be the commander yet. I keep swapping....honestly thinking I might end up with Lord Skitters because he's a doofus and his card isn't very good. But the deck is just basically 1 copy of every rat and the rat related cards (no relentless rats or rat colony). The other is the new Nashi and it's a relentless rats deck and then the rest of the deck is mostly just legends because Nashi also cares about them. Other than a few rat legends I happen to have duplicates of, there's little overlap. I also have a 60 card rat colony deck but that's not really in the conversation. (For the record I don't personally have a problem with the "it's against the spirit of Singleton" thing for tutors. I just 1. Prefer lower power decks with weirdo themes or gimmicks and 2. I just think it's really boring to go find the same key card every single time I play the deck) Honestly, it sounds to me like your issue is with creature based aggro decks, not tribal decks. Sure, in the end, all of those dragon decks want to beat face to win, but they pilot completely differently on a turn to turn basis. They feel different to play. I landed on Zurgo and Ojutai and it's a lot more fiddly and I have significantly less overall board presence than my friend's Ur-Dragon deck, but it's still dragon tribal.
I reall don't agree for instance the mono green elf commanders you showed you said they shared 56 cards together 28 being lands which makes sense. So no they share 28 cards that can basically change how they play. The picture you shown has alot of green staples whether it be mana creatureslike llanowear elves orbirds of paradise ramp like kodamas reach and sol ring, destruction like beast within, protection like lightning grieves and heroic prevention, or wincons like craterhoof behemoth. I mean your looking at maybe 10- 12 staples in green that is in almost any deck with the color in it. Not only that but you chose two elf commanders that play somewhat similarly both in protecting elves and making an army strong or unblockable. But if you chose Marwyn the Nurterer as a commander you would have different ways to build your elf tribal either using elves to make your commander bigger, doing something with the counters, or making a elf army to use mana to cast big spells. You chose two commanders that play similarly. And the example of kodama west tree and vorinclex is BS. Both commanders do different things with said counters. Vorinclex doubles counters so you would put plainswalkers to use ultimate abiilities versus kodama also cares about aura and equipment as well as dealing damage to mana ramp. Its not a fair comparison at all.
I mean that's like comparing Lorcan warlock creator and Chainer Dementia Master they are roughly the same card except chained also buffs nightmares. They are both in mono black so they use sim8lar strategies as well as sharing black staples.
My example was BS? Huh both Kodama and vorinclex want you to play other creatures that get counters on them. It’s not like I picked a Voltron commander for one and go wide for the other. I do also realize that some of the cards shared between decks might be green staples but look at the 2 color examples we still see a massive disparity of cards from the counters decks to the elf decks. Yes it is possible to play an elf deck that is different and I did mention that, I talked about dragon decks that play differently and I am totally cool with those
I kinda did the opposite - I got bored with the typical Meren deck, so I turned mine into zombie tribal. Also, as someone who plays some tribal decks, why do I hate tutors? They really just bug me when it turns into people running every tutor they can just to tutor up their combo, and I find that very boring.
Oh interesting! That’s a fun way to do zombies though using a non traditional commander! As for the tutor thing I recommend checking out my video on them see what you think
Fundamentally I disagree with your argument that tutors ~= redundant copies. If 5 versions of thoracle and 5 versions of demonic consultation existed, no one would use all 10 in a decklist (at least on the merits of thoracle combo alone) to save on the mana required to combo. If you draw multiple of a tutor, you never have too much or too little of something, but rather exactly how much you want when you want it. For the good tutors like demonic tutor, vampiric tutor, etc., I find that versatility (and redundancy, if you’re playing with big power pieces like dockside, mana crypt, etc.) to be both game-warpingly powerful and responsible for repetitive play patterns, even when decks aren’t built to be able to abuse tutors very well. That being said, that’s my mid-power perspective on it. In high power I’d imagine tutoring out the ol’ dockside isn’t nearly as much of an issue.
To say Trinket, about your tutor comment i feel as if it was in truly bad faith, yes there are a million lords however the mana costs and effects are infinitely worst than just a 2 mana oh guess its over button. People hate combos simple as
I don’t appreciate you saying my argument is made in bad faith. I don’t have an agenda to push I make these for fun. Every thing I say is actually my opinion… with that out of the way you said you don’t like combos… ok? That’s not a tutor? If I tutor for a supreme verdict that’s not a combo it’s just a board wipe? If you don’t like combos don’t put them in your deck. If you have no combos in your deck then how do tutors win the game? They don’t instead they are just a really flexible utility card
@@thetrinketmage Same guy, if its not in bad faith my apologies however the comparison between lords and tutors is so incongrous its unfunny. I understand the hating consistency thing but the strength of a tutor vs demonic tutor is so massive. Also I do agree wit you that the popular tribes are annoying in fact dragons are my least favorite archetype to fight. That said they are far less annoying to players simply because not only are they "cool" in terms of art but also the act of paying 2 mana and going to get ANY card from a library is just boring guess. As for your if you don't like tutors thing ummmmm i don't have tutors in decks and I'm not the guy building my opponents decks. I didn't comment that to piss u off but I don't think the comparison is nearly in line. I feel hating them tho, plus i literally never comment unless i want ppls engagement up so I'm doing this a bit to help keep up the vids. I often disagree with u but ur content is solid.
I don’t hate consistency at all I really like tutors a lot. I play them in a lot of decks because I use a lot of hidden commanders in the 99 I only mentioned it in this video because I get a lot of flak for liking tutors often
