"Tribal, Is the Vive Pro worth $800?!?!" 

What do yall think of this?!? I opened up this Strawpoll on Discord yesterday. Interesting results O_o: strawpoll.com/dsgwhasp

I personally will wait and see. I was almost on board for $500 but $800 that is too much for me.

Hi there, even the device is great, in my opinion we should not let HTC get away with that money grab. Over here in Europe we gotta pay $1000+ for the headset only which is outrageous.

Not worth it.... Doesn't come with anything else. $499 would have made sense for the pro standalone and $499 for the original bundle.

it should be released on April 1st, cause it's a fucking joke

I own the original Vive and have had terrible customer support, and had to pay $150 for a new controller because the quality control at Htc is shit,and now they wanna milk their loyal customers for $800 just for the hmd? Hell no, my next headset will be from any company not named Htc.

Can I interest you in a quality used car? It was owned by a sweet old lady who only drove it to church on Sundays.

F**K!!! £799 here in the UK!! That's $1124!!!!

The only people this product will appeal to are early adopters, who have already spent $800. Then, many of us spent an extra $100 for the Deluxe Audio Strap. Now, we have to spend $800 more for a mild resolution bump. You won't find a bigger Vive fanboy than me, but even I can't get behind this.

I will be pulling the trigger on the HTC wireless solution and possibly knuckles controllers before burning $800 on a Vive Pro. Hopeful the PiMax can bring some competition to the table and drive pricing down in the future.

Given the release of the Pro for a while now I have to ask, is it worth it right now to just buy a regular Vive or should you wait?

I think what will happen is that the vive pro with controllers and lighthouses will ultimately becoming the $1200 business edition.

I wonder what price the wireless adapter will be at - currently the TPCast for example costs almost as much as a oculus headset itself and thats just way to much imho.

I know a gtx970 is the minimum for the vive. Does the vive pro change the requirements any?

Got my Vive on wave 1. I had to pull over as I was driving down the motorway at the time! (To do the pre-order) I've certainly enjoyed using it and have no regrets, but I think I'll be waiting a bit longer before upgrading at this price. Especially as I'll probably need to upgrade my gfx card to something ridiculously expensive too. (Using 2 X R9 290X at the moment and I'm sure I'd be struggling with a higher resolution display).

What will it cost to add the new base stations and controllers separately vs buying them in a bundle with the Pro when they are available? That is the big issue for me.

I would consider $800 for a full setup+knuckle controllers.

Looking forward to your review of the new headset.

does the htc vive still work on games or only vive pro

In Australia it will be $1400 plus, HTC could have been a bit more gentle, but they didnt even use lube with the Vive pro pricing.

I pre ordered on Amazon and I will return after 29 days. No way HTC!!! Overpriced Vive, Overpriced Vive Pucks, Overpriced Vive Focus, and Overpriced Vive Pro! We need some SteamVR competition, where is LG and PiMax?!?

Very interested to see what you say after a good long comparison

Because the resolution is higher doesn't it require more gpu to get those improved visuals?

I really appreciate the nuance when discussing if this is worth it. I don't think it's worth $800 any more than I think a flagship phone is worth $500-$1200, but if I decide to buy it's because I think that I'll enjoy the experience they enable and it's not money I absolutely need for something else. HTC know the vast majority of current Vive owner won't upgrade because they set the price at $800 (the same price as the original Vive bundle). The premium price means fewer will enable HTC to gauge demand for the future and produce a product that doesn't have to be rushed out the door (causing quality control issues). Those who opt to buy the new Vive Pro standalone headset will most likely enjoy the upgrades from the original, share their satisfaction online, and generate demand for the product when it is bundled and sold at a lower price later this year. This isn't HTC's first rodeo and it certainly won't cause mass hysteria at HQ that most people aren't upgrading to a product that cost $800 for marginal improvements. Personally, I'm upgrading from the original with no mods other than Vive N'Chill (which I love). For me, the upgraded comfort, resolution (which I should be able to push pending my 1080ti doesn't die), and ease of use is worth the money. Here's a little something I worked out that might help people sort out if the upgrade is 'worth it'. If you play VR everyday for a year, upgrading would cost you 2.20 at day, or $15.34 a week. I will gladly pay $15 buck a week to not have to deal with putting on headphone or resetting Velcro straps after anyone else uses the unit. The adjustments and frustration of getting the HMD to be exactly as I wanted it was sometime enough for me to just forget it all together and decide not to use VR that night. That's just me and that might be ridiculous to most, but if upgrading allows the experience to be that much less of a hassle, I'm all in. Maybe it's just safe to assume VR all together is way too expensive, the PC, the HMD, the games. Perhaps some of us just have less self-control and are irresponsible with our money. We'll probably all look back in 10 years on how much money we spend on getting into VR and wonder what sort of spell we were under.

Is it more comfortable than OG vive with DX audio strap?

You may have addressed this in either a previous video or a comment but far too many to check. What are the dimensions of your play area? Do you find it tough to utilize actual motion in your space in a game that also uses locomotion?

i cant stop watching at the red spot behind you that should be green

well, over in Australia the vive bundle is around $850, and the vive pro HMD is $1,200... and the weirdest thing is that $500 US D is equivalent to $600, not $850. Online shopping has screwed us.

I'm from Europe and it costs 879€ here which is 1070 USD, and we're talking about the HMD alone, for that moneys i'm gonna gift myself a cool holiday somewhere in the sun, instead of feeding those thieves at HTC

£600 i could of swallowed but 8 is a joke

Honestly Tribal, I would recommend you wait for a few months, and see what the Pimax 8K has to offer. If Pimax come through, it will be a "True Generation 2" VR headset, "Gen 2" Lighthouse tracking and "Gen 2" controllers based off of Valves Knuckles controllers. The HTC Vive Pro is "Gen 1.5" at best, and could become virtually obsolete overnight for the VR Enthusiast crowd.

I agree with you 100% Tribal! And I pre-ordered mine the same day it was released! (19th) Skyrim VR is going to be shipped a few days earlier.. is it FATE!?!? in under a month, we will be playing with some serious quality!

I think they're going to make a lot of money out of people who would pay anything for it. This should be a discounted price around $300-$500!! Especially if we have already invested in the current system. There's also no trade in program. We need to not let HTC swindle like this, if we don't complain it won't be accessible for the average VR consumer until 2 years from now when the Vive 2 comes out with a 4k headset after everyone else is at 16k. In which, the headset alone will be $600.

I wonder how future generations of windows mixed reality and oculus rift will put pressure on the vive.

It's $1,095 in Sweden. It's insane. The regular Vive costs about $850. 9000 SEK ~= 1095 USD

i already spent 500+ hours in VR so it is definitely worth it for me. Already pre ordered it :D

Hey Tribal, I bit the bullet too on Amazon yesterday ( I use my Vive multiple hours DAILY!!!) . We shall see , My guess it's tech worth 400-500 with a 800 premium price. Still excited to get it, even though I had to bend over. lol

I was willing to play $400.... so yeah, guess I'll wait

If you think about it, its the same amount as the first one when it was released, the controlers cost 100 each so that would mean thehead set alone cost 800 so this type of price for the vive pro is worth it since it is new with better features, plus the price of the vive pro will decrease by chrismas.

It’s not

What everyone has to realize is that this is an UPGRADE. Not a standalone product. I was thinking I could sell my friend my current Vive set, but it would cost me over $600 for base stations, controllers and gear. That's almost $1500 for a new set with the upgraded Vive.

Vive Pro is not targeting the consumer market. It is a hardware upgrade for content creators. Since there are new hmds on the market with higher resolution than the original Vive, HTC needed to react before developers move to a different brand. For developers a hardware is an investment, so paying $800 for a hardware upgrade which is 100% compatible with their existing environment is actually a good deal.

too much, i spend a lot of time in vr but once i get playing the shortcomings go away. but it will be in the back of my head now.

800 for only the HMD? Screw this man. I was expecting not more than 300.

Pre-ordered it the minute I got confirmation from Vive I could use it for business use, for our arcade it definitely makes sense at that price considering the Vive BE costs us about $2100 CAD a pop. Though I hope Valve hurries up with the knuckles, I'd rather not have to go to the reskined vive controllers when the new basestation 2.0s come out. We've already had to send off about 20 controllers for RMA in the first 5 months of being open 90% of which were from manufacturing defects...

Preordered mine.

They'll shift more gen1 vives than pro at that price! maybe they're looking to phase the old vive out and pick this $499 price to clear the shelves.

Im the same. ye I know the price is high, But there are so many improvements. I just wanna get it, to experience more and better VR Technology :D

Dude i was expecting 500 to 600. Fuck. I bought it too lol

Nope, I was prepared to spend up to $600 for the HMD alone, but it's $1100 where I live, almost twice as much. F* that, I'll keep that money and hope for a somewhat affordable wireless module instead.

No it's not, the Odyssey has the same resolution for much cheaper. If it came with the wireless solution I'd say it may be worth it but not just the hmd.

@TribalInstincts I say it's a crime that HTC hasn't sent you a pro headset already

Where I disagree with buying the Vive Pro is like all products Supply and Demand ... if nobody buying the Vive Pro at $800 it will drive the price down ... HTC have to adjust the price to reasonable amount . As long as there are buyers why should they reduce the price? if people can be patience and the number of Pre-orders are so low (or nil) will drop the price much quicker.

People buy surround sound system for $1000+ for 3D sound that let you "feel like you're in the action". They set up 7 speakers with wires running to a mixer and then into a $1500+ TV. But they cry about actual VR being $800?

Its a tough call is the 800 for the wireless version or the corded? The bump in resolution is definitely tempting though .

I think it’s much more worth it to you, because if I’m correct you won the original vive right? So you’ve been playing with that hundreds of hours but for free So this is like you dropping your first 800$ on the vive itself? idk if that is true tho is it?

The answer is a resounding no. Some people may get their money's worth if they use it enough, but that will never be reason enough for a ridiculous price point.

The Vive Pro is basically VR's 4K monitor. Is a 4K monitor nice? Yes. Would a 1080p monitor be fine? Probably. Do you even have the GPU to drive that 4K display anyway? Maybe not. So people who need the high-resolution display can shell out the money for it, if not they can just get the $500 model that's adequate. HTC is probably already aware that production costs would price this out of normal consumers hands anyway, so they've focused on getting the price of the normal Vive down to normal consumer level.

This feels greatly like, for once, they really do mean it when they call it pro and talk about their target audience. I.E. It's not priced for home consumers because it's not for us.

the streamers will all have the pro who cares though im just happy they made the htc vive pro it adds competition which will bring even more price drops. the more people in vr the better games we will get. the future is going to be fucking pure magic cant wait

$1133 DOLLARS in THE UK Thats just for the headset. Why do we have to pay so much more.

the original vive with everything wasn't worth 800, vive pro ....no. I have both the vive and oculus, I have used oculus a lot more than my vive.

id buy it for $800, but the dam thing costs $1080.17 in Europe...

Clearly, its for VR Pros not casual VR gamers. Its in the name and it is in the price. I am more than happy with the current Vive set up.

For $800 they needed better optics than what they had on the original Vive. Actually, for that price they need a lot more than that but I digress ;)

Can't justify the price atm, i just ordered the Samsung Odyssey, can't wait

I just criticized other sites for letting them call it "prosumer" and/or commercial even though not one thing on it is commercial. Not the license, the warranty, the parts, or even the upgrade. They did not include better lenses or bigger FOV. No wireless or better controllers (confirmed on the "complete" package released later). So even though I enjoy your videos, it is not worth it. It is not commercial or prosumer. And you should not let them have a free pass.

If it were $800 for just the headset, but the headset was wireless, maybe. As it is, no friggin' way. I have no problem spending money on stuff, but I like to know that I'm getting some fair-ish return on the investment. The Pro doesn't seem like good value at all, for the money.

I can't justify spending $800 when I already have a perfectly serviceable vive. At that price point this thing needs to be a game changer and I'm not sure that it is

Just dont let barnacles use this one

I *_REAAAAAAALLY NEEEEEEEED_* one of those ... unfortunately I will also need a new PC for it with more horsepowers* *=currently own a 7gen I7 T 1070gtx compact PC. It's nice but CPU has just barely the horsepower to drive current VR res, I doubt the pro will be in reach ... and the normal vive price also dropped to now 599€ (plus shipping) while I payed at release ~1000€ (including shipping) Sooo .... I just say I *_REAAAAAAALLY NEEEEEEEED_* one of those ...but nor right now. I wait till Ryzen gen 2 and 9th gen Intel ... or even one more gen since then those mentioned will probably be cheaper or at least that gen will be even more powerful and by then the headset will be cheaper as well ... or something new has arrived ... but at least then I have the money to buy that and a matching computer.

No never, I'll be looking at other manufacturers who keep it realistic on price

The way i see it , in my point of view , Is way too Expensive , considering you will need a Beefy PC to run it , that alone will cost $$$ , and then the headset another $1K , total of $2500 with PC , for casual curious VR people , stick with PSVR :) or Oculus GO

If i could sell my vive for £400ish like every one else id do this in a heartbeat but to have to lay out another £800 its just too much especially wen i prefer the rift controllers soo much more when they bring it out complete with controllers with joy stick ill buy it till then im happy wiv my rift my vive 1.0 psvr n galaxy's vr i dont need a 5th that bad

not 800 dollar its 1600 dollars for me.I spent 800 dollars on the first one,not buying another one.plus my 100 dollar headphone headband thingy.nope not buying it again till its wireless completely.

In all honesty, last year i wanted to see what that resolution would be like so i bought an odyssey and while the resolution was definetely better, what surprised me is that it wasnt gamechanging at all. ultimately i returned it and stuck with my existing Gen 1 tech. I didnt feel the price of the odyssey matched the cost over my existing headset. I would recommend that anyone seriously think about this headset for the resolution alone... go buy and odyssey and take advantage of the return policy if you are impressed enough that you need that resolution just keep the odyssey and f@#! the vive pro, ITS the SAME PANEL!

i can tell you with out even using the thing it is not worth 800usd just for the head set they need to get there mind out of this lul of people thinking that great vr needs to be pricey. like if anyone buys this they are part of the problem and you are letting htc mark up there products to unreasonable prices. And I hope that oculus does not follow this.

not buying another one in at least a couple of years when the tech is a bit more impressive.

"Is the Vive Pro worth $800?" No. Did that help?

1000$ in sweden good....WHYYYYYYYYY

Pimax 8K would be a much better investment

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Its not 800$. Its 880Eur in germany (europe). That's over 1000$. ;-)

and yet we will get for ourselves and / or our spoiled children 1000 dollar cell phones ....... right ?

Since I've had that increased resolution from my Samsung Odyssey for a while now, I'm going to say that, no its not worth the money.

In the UK it's £799 = $1100?!?!?!

It is so sad that HTC are so desperate for money with their entire business being in such financial trouble that they would sabotage themselves by over pricing the device like this. Any other aspiring businesses take note: these are the precise steps to ensure failure.

i bought it meh not to bad

NO! Buy a Samsung Odyssey it has the same screens, lens, and resolution.

But the question isn't is it worth it if it is part your buisness and play it more than any regular user. To me "is it worth it" questions if it has enough value for the money compared to the competition or previous models. And I'd say firmly no. If your needs or usage are above the average then ofc it can be woth it to you personally, no matter the price. Seems to me like the samsung odessey has an as good headset, and it has sold with everything included for 399$??? Ofc it doesn't have as good tracking but come on. The inside out tracking and odessey controllers costs something to make as well I'm sure, still the package is about half as ONLY the vive pro headset. Wow. They want 1100$ for the Vive pro headset in my country btw. It's crazy.

Wait for Pimax! Vive Pro is not much more Pro than Samsung Odyssey!

They shot themselves in the foot with that price, most people won't pay that just to play game.

Not worth it, and THIS is coming from someone where VR is a job. You ONLY get the headset and are then stuck with another extra headset, one that you cannot give away or even sell (unless you want to deflate the price by a lot since it doesn't have the lighthouses and the new bundle price is even lower (actually, never mind, the BUNDLE is cheaper than rebuying the damn components!)). Now you know what is worth it? - The Deluxe Audio Strap. That sucker was worth the $100 I paid for it. It's a great add-on and makes putting the headset on and off brainless. - The new Vive Bundle. It comes with Fallout 4 VR. Let me repeat: IT COMES WITH FALLOUT 4 VR. That's damn impressive. - The Oculus + Touch Bundle. Yeah, even though I don't like Oculus, I have to give credit where credit is due, and their bundle is pretty hard to compete with at $400. - The mixed reality headsets. I've been seeing more and more people with them in VR games and... it's pretty good for something that does inside-out tracking.

We need new gpu as well

That's OK if you can't answer. I'll answer... HELL NO its not worth $800 for a glorified Samsung Odyssey and Vive love-child. They didn't even upgrade the fresnel lenses, which is sad that a $50 Gear VR has better optics than a $800 Vive Pro. HTC is clearly just testing what the market will bare, and hopefully enough of us give them the finger and demonstrate to them that it will not bare $800 for merely the unit itself that doesn't even come with a full kit.

RIP VIVE HTC

I will not buy it, and maybe never will. I don't think it's worth it really. But I might upgrade in the next generation.

It might be $800 to you but it's £799 = $1123.61 in the UK. So ask yourself now is it worth $1123.61 ???

well, the original vive was 800 and plenty of people thought that was worth it. It all depends who you are and what value you personally give it. -edit: ohh, just headset.. a bit pricey but i still think it would be worth it

the way i see it, if you are not already part of the HTC ecosystem, (meaning you have a vive already and thus already own controllers and trackers) its NOT worth it. Lets say you are a cockpit gamer, the increased resolution is great in elite dangerous, but guess what the exact same panels are in the samsung odyssey and it comes with everything you need to enjoy VR for half the price