trinities 371 - Dr. Steven Nemes on divine Christology in the New Testament

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In this episode Dr. Nemes and I discuss chapter 6 of his new book Trinity and Incarnation: A Post-Catholic Theology.
Clearly the Jesus of the New Testament is supposed to be special, indeed, unique, and in some sense he must be “divine.” But in what sense, exactly? And what if anything does this have to do with God’s giving Jesus his spirit?
Topics include:
whether the full deity of Christ is an obvious New Testament teaching
Spirit Christology
what Dr. Nemes calls the basic argument for Christ having two natures and how this compares to analyses given in my debate book, pp. 17-24
traditional partitive exegesis and Dr. Neme’s objections to this
whether only God (or only a divine Person) can forgive sins
Jesus as a “deified” human being
the New Testament’s portrayals of Jesus as having various human limits
A trilemma based on the question: Exactly who did God the Father empower to forgive sins and to perform miracles?
Whether a non-divine Jesus should be called “a mere man” and how this tradition originated in the 2nd Christian century.
The ancient Dynamic Monarchians within the Christian mainstream.
“Kenosis” and the modern suggestion that the Incarnate Christ, even though divine, nonetheless had to do miracles though the power of God’s Spirit, rather than using his own divine powers.
Opera trinitatis ad extra indivisa sunt.
divine simplicity and immutability
Why John 3:13 doesn’t presuppose Jesus’ literal pre-human existence.
The significance of Jesus’ baptism by John.
How Philippians 2 and 2 Corinthians 8:9 are about the man Jesus
why Paul says in Galatians 1:1 that he’s not an apostle “through man”
Why John 17:5 doesn’t presuppose Jesus’ literal pre-human existence.
Links for this episode @ trinities.org/...
podcast 370 - Dr. Steven Nemes’s formal challenge to Trinity theories
Trinity and Incarnation: A Post-Catholic Theology
Dr. Nemes’s homepage
A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me
podcast 334 - “Who do you say I am?”
podcast 338 - What John 1 Meant
podcast 291 - From one God to two gods to three “Gods” - John 1 and early Christian theologies
Racovian Catechism
podcast 188 - Dr. Paul W. Newman’s Spirit Christology - Part 2
podcast 187 - Dr. Paul W. Newman’s Spirit Christology - Part 1
Clarifying Catholic Christologies - by Dr. Dale Tuggy
podcast 235 - The Case Against Preexistence
a reading of Philippians 2:5-11
podcast 268 - Another look at Philippians 2 with Dr. Dustin Smith
podcast 145 - ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
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@tetearalte3993 6 месяцев назад

I think the interviewer is underestimating Dr. Nemes but Mr. Nemes always make extraordinary answers to the interviewer's arguments

@RalphHumphries-th1ym 4 дня назад

Yeah thanks guys feel same thing about it from Trinity to biblical Unitarian is hard to find people who live in my area and fellowship with but thanks for the message

@evegershom5041 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for this.

@matthewmcdaniel8086 10 месяцев назад

Your content has been an enormous blessing. Wondering if you could address an argument I heard a trinitarian use recently to imply Jesus is omni present hence is God. John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. His argument suggests Jesus is the one answering/addressing prayers in his name because he says “I will do”. He asserts that if Jesus is the one doing all that is requested through Christian prayers in his name, he must be omni-present and must be God. I’d love to hear your viewpoint on that interpretation of John 14. Can God empower Jesus to be in some sense omnipresent or should this verse be handled some other way. Thank you brother!

@MasculineEndings 9 месяцев назад

I think it means when a disciple prays to God in Jesus name God commissions Jesus to fulfill his request. It may also insinuates that Jesus may intercedes on the disciple's behalf

@matrixlone 11 месяцев назад

I bought his recent book the other day

@socketman 11 месяцев назад

Great interview

@claudiozanella256 11 месяцев назад

No trinity exists. Jesus says "He who has seen me has seen THE FATHER", "He who sees me SEES HIM who sent me.". What if.... JESUS HAD BEEN THE FATHER? Consequences: 1. if Jesus had been the Father, then "Son" surely means that He DERIVES from God, He is not an actual Son. 2. if Jesus had been the Father, then the Father cannot be here, i.e. Jesus must be ALONE, 3. this means that the Father is only IN THE PAST so that nobody could ever see Him ("nobody has seen God at any time" "The world has not known you") 4. if Jesus is ALONE, this means that He is the ONLY KING of heaven, not the Father 5. since everything in the world happens as the Father were here, this means that the Father is ABLE to be active here even from that past temporal dimension ! 6. from point 5. you can say that the Father is VIRTUALLY PRESENT here with his talks and actions but He is actually ABSENT. "Present but absent", you could say that God is "like a spirit" here ( He is the "Spirit of God" aka "Holy Spirit"). 7. is Jesus almighty? What is the purpose of that? All almighty actions can be performed by the Father who is in the past. Jesus may have the freedom to be like a normal man, with no power at all. This is indeed the difference between Father and Son ("the Father is greater than I"). 8. How may Gods are there? Jesus is NOT the almighty God, He is like a normal person. Yet He is not distinct from Him "I am in the Father and the Father in me" because Jesus WAS that almighty God. In other words They are not the SAME ONE God, yet They are not "TWO distinct Gods". You can say that God is more than one and less than two.