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I never get tired of your videos and this truth regarding there is no Biblical Trinity BUT RATHER: the Father who is God, Christ who is the Son of God, the Holy Spirit which is the presence of the Father and his son that abides in the believers... Great work to you and your entire team... I pray for your continued success in ministry.
What light in a world of spiritual darkness, I have no words to thank for how much these sermons helped me to understand God and to understand the subtle and subversive deceptions of the trinity.
I love your videos. I was Trinity believing SDA . But within two days , you convinced me the truth. Watched more than 10 videos. I believe now and understand more. I always had doubt concerning holy spirit and it's working.
I like the explanation of the Spirit on 35:38. The 'Holy' Spirit is not a name but a tile. The Spirit is holy (divine) because it proceeds from a 'Holy' God. Straight and clear.
As always Nader a very clear and unambiguous preaching.In the strength of the Father-his spirit-keep it up! It is totally true that we must approach the bible as it reads unless is something symbolic or metaphorical involvement.But is also true that the evil one tampered with the Word-always did,does and will do it to the end.Therefore is absolutely necessary to see and understand where in the bible we have to deal with that and is my humble opinion that Mathew 28,19 doesn’t depicts entirely accurate what our Lord said.It makes no sense whatsoever that latter on,none of disciples followed.Would they disobey the Master?!Or simply the Lord said it differently?Upon further study we will find out that Eusebius -who by-the way -was a trinitarian - never translated this verse like actual reading.According to him wasn’t even mentioned the baptism issue, but as in other two ref. Mark and Luke was all about sending the disciples to go out an teach all what Jesus said.Almost all encyclopaedias specify that the actual version was a latter insertion merely as a liturgical formula.I know that this thing is a bit hard to understand as SDA’s especially when SOP endorses it as a biblical trinitarian formula of baptism or....it didn’t...Will see later.
Regarding Matthew 28:19, how to explain that Sister White confirmed the verse and the apostle Paul in Acts of the Apostles of Ellen White, she also states that Paul baptized in the name of the Father of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, it seems that no one has an explanation for this and that has always intrigued me.
Hi Nader, one question that we are still struggling with: in the Old testament in Isiah the following words are mentioned "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god." Here it is clear that God the Father is speaking, and in the book of revelation Jesus said " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." My question is the following : We do not accept the trinity doctrine, but how can we explain these 2 verses if Jesus and God the father are not the same?
According to the trinity doctrine, the father is God, the Son is God and the Holy spirit is God, so this way each one can replace the other, but at the same time they are distinct. So my question was that in Isiah the verse states" I am the first and I am the last; BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD." And in Revelation 22:13 Jesus said "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End" The conclusion is there is ONE God. But what you are saying in the video ( and I believe it, I just need clarification)is that also Jesus is God, so now we have 2 Gods. But the verse States "BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD" so only one God exist. How can we put this together? I hope I was able to present my thoughts clearly and thank you.
Yes, there's only one God, one source of all things and none besides him. The son has his father's God nature, but he's not there one God, and he's not another God. He's the son of God. He is referred to as God to describe what category of being he is classed as, not to confuse him with the Father or in addition to the Father. After all, the son came from the one God and source of all. The Father is his God as well.
I agree thank you, but what about being called everlasting father in the old testament? in Jesus himself said do not call anyone Father except God " For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
Jesus is called everlasting Father in a prophecy relating to his salvation mission. In other words, when he comes as a man one of his names shall be called everlasting Father. This is in reference to him being the second Adam and the one through whom we are born again. He's the Father (Adam) of all his saved children. It's got nothing to do with any Trinity.
and consciousness. Prov. 8:22 and John 1:1 speak of the beginning of the Father's embodiment and the Son's embodiment. The Spirit is the fullness of the Godhead. John 4:23,24. He took two personalities. But the life mystery belongs to the Ancient of Days (John 5:26; 14:23) God said to me that the Tree of Life is a profound symbolism of Himself; two Trunks, one head or mind.
Gteat Controversy p. 493 proves that the Godhead has two solid persons, but the Spirit is the mystery that took the two embodiment with understanding and contiousness. Prov. 8:22 speaks of the beginning of the Ancient of Days way, which had to do with the time He took embodiment to reveal Himself. And John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the Word.........." When the Spirit (God) took His form to reveal Himself He gave birth to his Son. God revealed that to me my brother. I'm a SDA 45 years ago. Time doesn't matter, but I'm just ensuring you the length of time I'm in this movement.
Hi Nader, ive watched and thought on this video, and I must say that the unsound exegetical methods that you and others use really get me upset. For i notice large holes in your reasoning, I will try to explain what i mean. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: All three Persons in this passage share one Name. That Name must be the Lord of Hosts. If Christ and the Holy Spirit are the same person as you believe, then it would be redundant for Jesus to mention the Son and Spirit as seperate. But lets look at other passages in Matthew about the Spirit and get a context. Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: Ok, now, If the Spirit IS Jesus Christ as you believe, then one must also believe that it was actually Christ that descended upon Christ at Jesus' baptism!?! Was Jesus NOT His full Divine Self before His baptism? Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Ok, So, If the Spirit is simply the "influence" of Jesus, or some Non-living entity; then how is it possible that Jesus was LED of the Spirit into the wilderness!? This suggests that the Holy Spirit posesses intelligence and cognitive powers just like Jesus said in John 16:13,14. Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. It is kind of difficult to conceive that the Holy Spirit IS Christ's person in this passage. Jesus mentions himself and the Spirit as seperate. Our Lord mentions that speaking offensively against Christ and the Spirit is two seperate sins. It would seem obsurd that Jesus would have His hearers here understand Christ and the Spirit to be the same personage. Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. Ok Now, Jesus says here that the Spirit can Speak In us. This requires intelligence. The Spirit cannot actually Speak in us unless He has intelligence and cognitive functions. surely the Holy Spirit is not simply a non-living influence from Jesus, but an actual Divine Person. So Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: So Yes, Here we have the Divine Trinity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; and these three are ONE, and share the same Name. It is true that in the salutations in the NT epistles do NOT include the Holy Spirit. Does this mean though that the Spirit does not exist as an individual Divine person? No. It simply means that the Spirit's office is not to receive our Thanksgivings and prayers as the Father and Son are to. For Jesus said :" For He shall NOT speak of Himself, but that which He hears that shall he speak and shall shew you things to come..." and He continues,..." He shall GLORIFY Me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you". Jn 16:13,14. Thus The Spirit simply passes on Divine blessings to us. He is to turn our attention and our affection to Jesus. Thus, the Spirit would have us to recognize, to thank, to honor and Praise Christ and the Father as the source of grace and peace. This is the reason why Paul does not include the Spirit in his salutations. Another aspect of the Spirit's work on the heart is to write the spiritual realities of God's law within the experience of the person. He brings to us the "ministration of the spirit" and not the 'ministration of death" He is to remove that vail that blinded many in Paul's day. Again, all this requires divine intelligence. Thus, having the Spirit within you, molding you; IS to have Christ within you, molding you. The Divinity of the Spirit brings this liberty to us and settles us. That Divinity is posessed by Christ also.That's why Paul said.." Now the Lord IS that Spirit..". 2 cor 3:17.
Correct, the holy Spirit does NOT exist as an individual separate person to the Father and son. Demonstrate one biblical case that someone's spirit is a different person to the owner of that spirit and you'll have my attention. No need for a long discourse, just quote the relevant reference.
hi nader in my previous posted comment i cited many bible verses and provided thorough exegesis. These should be more than "relevant" to any sincere christian suitable for their "attention". Narrowing yourself to a predetermined category of evidence shows a biased slant of mind.
I agree with you but what you're saying doesn't apply in this case. I'm not asking for a specific wording. It's an open request for evidence. You claim someone's spirit is a different person to the owner of said spirit. Prove it... It's a simple request. If it's true please show at least one Bible example of that. If you don't have the evidence then don't charge me with being narrow for requiring it. It's like you want me to just believe you coz you say so. No can do 😉.
hi nader, my original post on this thread provides much evidence about the nature of the holy spirit; along with thorough exegesis. Ok yes, you did not ask for "specific wording"; however that is the very thing that you SHOULD be asking for; Why? because it is the specific wording of a passage that conveys the meaning. It is THIS that any sincere christian should go to first. Any other desired category of evidence is secondary. In light of the passages i posted in that comment above, I see that the Nature of God's Holy Spirit is Cognitive; it is Spirit; It has Divine abilities like omniscience; It is Divinely intelligent; and it is mentioned as an individual other than Christ. I get these ideas from how the passages are worded. Also from these conveyed thoughts i gather that God's Holy Spirit is NOT to be compared with your spirit or my spirit in every sense. This is why your particular desired category of evidence is somewhat irrelevant at this point.
