Proving the Trinity - Nader Mansour 

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Love your teachings on the trinity. I have an SDA sister who knows the trinity isn’t and was trying to help others in the church to see the truth but didn’t know how from scripture. I sent my sister right to your videos - this one specifically.

Another wonderful sermon, Pastor Nader Mansour. Many years ago, two friends challended me to explain my belief that The Christ was not, one in the same, as God The Father. So, I prayed on this, and after many days I had my answer. The question came to me like this, "Are you and your husband of the same last name, the same title?" My conclusion to this question was, "Yes, we have the same title, and this shows we are one in marriage, but not one in the same person." For me, this question led me to sound reasoning. I think when we DISCARD The Fathers name JEHOVAH, (PSALMS 83:18) KJV, and replace it with titles such as Lord or God it becomes very confusing as to who the Lord or God is. It is now clear to me, this confusion has been a mighty tool of deception formulated by Satin. I thank you for all your hard work. Sincerely, Regina

Thank you so much Nader. What you teach is correct and Truth. May the Lord bless you and your family in abundance.

I wish preachers who preach truth were as active and passionate in their preaching as this fellow spreading his misconceptions.

I am dealing with people who say they are Christian but obfuscate everything having to do with doctrine, trying to undermine any confidence in Jesus.

Excellent presentation Nader, but you do need to research early manuscripts a little more: 1John 5:7 is not included in most modern translations because it is not found in any Greek manuscripts before the 16th century. Matthew 28:19 is also extremely dubious. Why would the apostles ignore such an explicit command and baptise only in the name of the Lord Jesus? Because this was not found in the original Hebrew manuscript that Matthew wrote. Now we don't have this Hebrew manuscript, but we do have the writings of many early church fathers who had access to and quoted from this Hebrew manuscript. In every case the bit about Father, Son and Holy Spirit is missing. These bits have obviously been added by over-zealous trinitarian translaters some time later - after the Council of Nicea around 325 AD.

The Only way you can ATTEMPT to "Prove" the trinity, is by Falsely representing Scripture.

Just like for us humans, a father cannot have a son with the same authority as himself. A son inherits the father's DNA, and if the father owned a farm, the son inherits the farm. In like manner, God the Father has a Son who inherits His DNA and all that belongs to the Father. I have observed that those whom unfortunately were raised without a father find it difficult to understand this Truth. I pray that the Father may open their understanding to the Truth of who God is, and who His Son is. God bless you brother Nader. I do hope in the future we may arrange for you to come to Papua New Guinea to have discussions with the brethren here who are eager to know more of these beautiful Truths! Happy Sabbath 😊

We have received some responses from our short survey. The question was, “Is the One God who is a unity of three persons also a person himself? That is, will we see the one in three god in heaven when we get there? Does this triune god have the throne of his own besides that of the Father and of the Son?” The responses are very conflicting and confusing. Please consider them for yourself. 1. A pastor said yes, the three persons make up one person. Asked to clarify how, the pastor has not come back to us yet. 2. A theologian said, they do not make one person, it is impossible to make one person from three persons. The Father is the unity of the trinity, and He is the One God. That raises many questions. If the Father is the One God, where is the triune God? How can the Father be a unity of himself and two others, to make one, if he is already the one? 3. Another person whose title is unknown said that the three persons of the trinity do not form one person. They are One God only in terms of having one purpose. 4. From our previous experiences, we have heard some say the One God of the Bible is the Godhead, i.e. just a divinity or deity, without further clarity on what that is? 5. Another theologian said that the One God who is a unity of three persons is not material or physical. That means the One God is an abstraction. In other words, he is a theory, or a concept in the minds of those who believe in him. We question. The Bible refers to the One God as “He” and he speaks. How can an abstraction, a theory or a concept in the mind be referred to as He? Does a concept speak? 6. Another person said the One God is a mystery, thus leaving the One God undefined. Sounds like a quick way for human wisdom to escape accountability for the confusion that human wisdom has created (akin to pleading insanity in court). We raise an issue with this unexplained mystery of human wisdom. The trinity doctrine, that is put together by human minds gives us the triune God. Thus, those who made the trinity doctrine must be able to explain it. In other words, we are not questioning the Bible, but the trinity doctrine, because the trinity doctrine is a product of human wisdom. I don’t know about you, but this sounds like a lot of confusion. It seems there is no one with a clear understanding of what this human creation called the triune god is? To those who say it is a mystery we question. Why should human wisdom create a doctrine which it cannot explain and cannot understand? Is that not a reason to discard the doctrine and return to that only which the Bible says, that the is One God, the Father, who has Only One begotten Son. The One God, the Father has and is also a Spirit? No three equal persons making up confusion? Regards, The Rock Fortress Ministries.

"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" Gen1:26 And this is a defense for the trinity ?? Or is it more appropriate to say that the verse exposes and cripples the trinity fallacy? Truly... it is outside the realm of common sense to make such a reaching premise. We have Eve [as a rib] inside of Adam. And later on the sixth day, she was brought out of him. We now have a total of two. So... is it not overwhelmingly apparent that 2 made 2 ? Two divine beings created two human beings? An adolescent would come to the same conclusion. If " 3 co-equal and co-eternal persons" made our parents , then shouldn't Adam have 2 wives? Or maybe Eve could have 2 husbands?

Great work 👏

Regarding the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit I always wondered ... Why is Satan only encouraging people to blaspheme God and Jesus, but not the Holy Spirit?

Sir, thank you for your teaching. I was always weary of believing that there were three gods in one (and that it was a mystery). That is not how God works. I know that the verse in Matthew, and also in 1 John are highly controversial. that is not what was written originally in the oldest Greek texts.

Good one, Nader. You've added some good points to the arsenal too I see!

I'm Orthodox and I believe in the Trinity, but I really don't like the divide this issue creates. At the end of the day, it's a petty issue. Are we all Christians? Do we all recognize Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour? Put your full faith in Him alone, and as a result, the Holy Spirit comes! Whether you want to recognize the Spirit as God himself, or simply God shining the light of his Spirit on you, is completely up to you. Now, if you don't recognize Jesus as Lord, that's another issue altogether..

Praise God brother Nader for this wonderful presentation, you are truely inspired by the Holy Spirit of Christ, as is was in the days of Elijah, facts, may God continues to lead you with his spirit and many others, to protect and stand against all errors teachings with in the body of Christ, to God be the Glory for ever amen 🙏🏻 🙏🏻🙏🏻

I would've expected the title to be "Disproving the Trinity" but then there it is... yours is more catchy!! Antitrinitarian here.

Keep telling the truth

Thank you so much, all CONFUSION IS GONE!! PAISE GOD!!

Thank you Nader!

Always a blessing listening to you, for me you challenge my thinking and encourage me to study, so thankful the Lord lead me to this ministry

For that matter, does anyone without bias actually buys his explanation of John 1:1?

God bless you Nader, thank you for another feast from the Words of life, which is real food indeed. I have been blessed, hope others are too.

That Malachi 2 is a killer verse. I call that a headshot...it shuts them up quick And get them to thinking quixker

Amen! Thank you brother Nader. You are the only person that I've heard explain eloquently the descending form, by which The Father anointed Christ JESUS at the Jordan River. It was "The Likeness of His Glory" descending upon His Son JESUS Christ in form. An example could be when you are walking on somewhat of a cloudy day, when suddenly, out of no where a ray of sunshine just brightens all around you or like a beam of light from the sun rays finding its way through the clouds after it rains. I hope I've expressed my thoughts correctly. PTL and Maranatha! 🙏🏼💙📖

Enjoyed most of the fast moving presentation. I noticed that a few times he quoted from other bibles to get a clearer idea of the meaning. Perhaps he should do this with John 8 :58. Many trinitarians try to claim that he expression I AM (note the trick use of capital letters) is a direct reference to the account in Exodus. Our speaker seems to accept this and gives a very interesting explanation. However, for many the link with Exodus is simply not there and the use of other translations could have been deployed to show other renderings of I am that also fit with the context of the discussion Jesus was having with the religious leaders who talked about his age.Many Bibles render the verse something like " I have been."

Great sermon, I will be sharing this with others

He says today as if there haven't always been explanations for the Trinity sence before the bible was written.

Thank you so much!

As you well know, to even question "the Trinity" is like lighting a fuse. Someone's bound to explode with anger and accusations. But . . . being mortal as we are, we don't "get" what it's like to be spirit and are poorly qualified to explain spiritual things. *But we can find plenty of trinity non-evidence in the Bible.* ▬ Most New Testament letters have opening statements such as "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ." All these opening statements *_include both God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ_* but all of them *_leave out the holy spirit._* None of the introductions mention or include or address the holy spirit as a person. I believe this is good evidence the apostles did not believe the holy spirit was a "third person." ▬ John 14:23 sheds more light on the topic. Here Jesus explains that both the Father and He (referring to Jesus himself) would come and dwell in us. *They - the two - would make their "abode" in us:* ⚫ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23) (No mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ▬ In 2 Corinthians 6:16-18 we find a similar statement: the Father - "the Lord Almighty" - will dwell in us and walk in us: ⚫ "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." (2 Corinthians 6:16-18) ▬ God is a spirit (John 4:24) and is holy. When God dwells in us, we have the holy spirit dwelling in us. We are His "temple." ▬ We see God as "us" back in Genesis: ⚫ "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen 1:26) ⚫ "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:" (Gen 3:22). ▬ Who is the "us"? It is the Father, and the "Word": who was with God from the beginning . . . And was God . . . and was made flesh: ⚫ "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3) ⚫ "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14) (No mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ▬ Jesus said: ⚫ "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) (No mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ⚫ "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor 8:6) (No mention of the holy spirit as a person.) ▬ Although the Father and Jesus are "one," they seemingly can have separate identity or person: ⚫ "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) (No mention of the holy spirit as a person.) ▬ 1 John 5:7-8 has a reputation as questionable in origin. Look up the "Johanine comma" ("comma" referring to a phrase) to get the detail on that. 1 John 5:7-8 is apparently not found in the majority of early Greek texts, but appears in many later Latin texts . . . ▬ Matthew 28:19 is also questionable: ⚫ "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost It is questionable because what the apostles *DID* was baptize in Jesus' name only: ⚫ "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38) ⚫ "(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)" (Acts 8:16) ⚫ "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:48) ⚫ "When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Acts 19:5) ⚫ "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" (Romans 6:3)

Does anyone who actually is not blind buys this preacher's explanation of Matt. 28:19?

Why you didn't mention this? “And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.” - Gen 1፥26 (MKJV) And this .. “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they cannot understand one another's speech.” - Gen 11፥7 (MKJV) Why you didn't explain this. “And when the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me.” - John 15፥26 (MKJV) What about this. John 16 (MKJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹³ However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come. ¹⁴ He will glorify Me, for He will receive of Mine and will announce [it] to you. And this. John 16 (MKJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ²⁷ for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came out from God. ²⁸ I came forth from the Father, and have come into the world. Again I leave the world and go to the Father.

When you take away everything that Jehovah created, you will be left with ONE single Spirit ...

No created being can tell the Creator how they are going to worship Him. The world has spent the last 6000 years telling God Almighty how they want to worship Him. You have been deceived by Satan, and you love it, that God accepts you as you are, sorry, God requires obedience whether you like or not. Seek his Grace or perish.

After showing this to a oneness, this verse was presented John 2:19 where Jesus says "destroy this temple, and in 3 days I will raise it up" I know other verses where it says the father raised him, so can anyone help?

Something the Lord revealed to me that will settle the debate about “Another Comforter” now you already have Christ saying I’m the Truth, Comforter is the Spirit of Truth I will come to you, I will manifest myself to him,I spoke to you in parables,all these verses telling you it’s Christ and some still believe it’s not Christ.well do you remember what Christ said about the comforter that He will pray to the Father to send him, ok now if you believe the Holy Spirit is another divine being please answer this, in John chapter 17 where Christ actually prayed,Did He Pray for Another Comforter? 🤔, is there any indication of a third divine being mentioned that prayer?especially when Christ says they are one

Deos the sprit has mouth , ear , fingers and legs we saw God poses all of them , isa 59:1, exodus 31:17-18 and Genesis 2:7 explain to me very well.

Why would God say there is no other God besides me and then and ISA 9:6 . Gods speaks through Isiah and call the son who will be born Mighty God

Pastor nader ...am Tonny clavery from Tanzania. Also am Sda. Thanks much for ur sermon. U open my mind. But I want to know u still worshiping in our churches or other one but in Sabbath? Koz now days we are fired when we saying there is no trinity. Pliz answer me?

I have a question: What does Matthew 1:18, 20?

If the word "son" were in the first chapters of Genesis THEN perhaps it could be connected to Colossians, but there is no "son" being spoken of in those two chapters. The word "creation" is used by Paul. However, he is not referring to the Earth itself but rather to different types of authorities both in Heaven and on Earth. Everyone is made or was created to be subject to Jesus, the Son of God. Paul clearly defines this Lordship authority over all of God's Creation in the letter to the Ephesians. However, this authority was GIVEN to Jesus AFTER his complete obedience to YAHWEH God the Father @31 A.D., which made him Lord ( not God) over all Creation.

I have found places in the KJV That translates in support of the doctrine of the trinity. When you understand what it's all about, realizing, history is actually, "His Story". In support of the Trinity, I believe the translators chose to use, "by", when it would have been more appropriately translated, "because of Him". The following supports my understanding; Col 1:16 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: KJV NT:1223 NT:1223 dia/ dia (dee-ah'); a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal, or occasional): KJV - after, always, among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause). . (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) NT:1223 B. with the accusative I. of place; through II. of the ground or reason on account of which anything is or is not done; by reason of because of 1. of the reason for which a thing is done a. with the accusative of the thing: 2 Peter 3:12 b. with the accusative of the person, by whose will, agency, favor, fault, anything is or is done: John 6:57 2. on account of, because of (from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.) I am wondering if the translators, in support of the doctrine of the trinity translated "Let Us make man in our image", as filler as they translated from the Hebrew. I have become aware that liberties were taken as translators, tried to fill the Hebrew during translation, because of the lack of vowels.

In trying to disprove the trinity you have proven to me that there is a trinity. No but seriously my mind is spinning and I don't know what to think about this topic.

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

there are many major problems with the Father Son Movement - They are correct that the Holy Ghost is not a separate entity to that of Christ and that Jesus is begotten, BUT there are many major evangelical teachings that are entering this group, not only feast days but that the King of the North is not the Papacy but modern day turkey. this needs to be put in check.

You find evidence in the bible for the trinity?? Here's evidence from the bible against the trinity..... The notion of God as a trinity of three persons came from the Catholic church around the time of the Council of Nicea in 325AD. Not a single Jew, and Jews wrote the old testament and much of the new, ever believed God was a trinity of persons. When Moses asked God who he should say sent him, God replied: Ex 3:13: “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.” Then there is...... IS 43:10: “But you are my witnesses, O Israel!” says the LORD. “You are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I >> alone

يا أستاذ نادر الله يهديك الآية ال فى إنجيل يوحنا لوحدها وبدون جدال تثبت ألوهية الروح القدس ال انت بتنكرها إنجيل يوحنا ١٦ الاية ١٢-١٤ بتقول ان لى أمور كثيرة أيضا لاقول لكم ولكن لا تستطيعون ان تحتملوا الان وأما متى جاء ذاك روح الحق فهو يرشدكم ال جميع الحق لانه.لا. يتكلم. من نفه بل كل ما. يسمع. يتكلم.به ويخبركم. بامور آتيه ذاك يمجدنى لانه. يأخذ. مما لى ويخبركم أظن هذه الآيه كافية تماما عن ان تظهر ألوهية وشخصية الله الروح القدس. ربنا يهدي انشاءالله

This video is old so I don't expect a response. The speaker says Jesus existed before Abraham, but as what? Jesus didn't have his flesh yet, so as what did Jesus exist?

So, by this preacher's logic, Jesus is God because He is God's son. Following the logic, since we are also God's sons and daughters, we are also God. Congrats to you all.

Good day Nadour to me there is a part in the church manual which says partially love your child in respect to your spouse. What think about this?

By the way, this preacher does NOT understand the concept of trinity. He repeats that there were two witnesses or two entities, "not one." Those of use who believe in trinity, do NOT claim that the Father, Jesus, and Spirit are one person, one entity. So, what exactly is he trying to disproof? Certainly not trinity as it is understood by Christians as the concept of trinity he is talking about is NOT the same that what trinitarians believe in.

The problem came when the name of God the Father was replaced with the title LORD it doesnt matter the case its written either Lord, lord or LORD all mean some thing ....title. And the preface giving reason for doing this is funny. In all the versions that don't use the name YHVH or Jahovah

Revelation 5:1-14 King James Version 5 1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, [1] which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. ......................................................................Here again both the Lamb that was slain(Jesus) as well as the God that sits on the throne are worthy of worship... Two Gods.... NOPE... This is where the Trinity comes in... Multiple persons in one being.... No analogy is perfect and can perfectly capture the idea. The closest analogy is that of Siamese twins who are multiple persons in a single being....

Can anyone help to explain this passage? I hear a lot of insight being given here but it sounds more like self interpreted explanations rather than what the written word is saying. Also I am aware that it’s said that this passage is false, none the less it was included in the KJV. So I would like it to still be explained to me to help me understand how there are not 3 divine natures inside the one God. “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Exactly brother thru the name of Jesus is salvation, to him was all power given, why would Jesus go saying baptized in the name of three? It just does not add, it's illogical and absurd. and then the apostles did not obey and went baptizing in the name of Christ or Jesus. It's simply Ludacris. Those words were added by the Catholic monks in the 2nd century.

So man is made in the image of God and Jesus Christ ? Then the Bible said and God Created man in his image..Genesis 1:27

From the begining me thinks this gentleman does not understand what the trinitarians believe.

HOW DID GOD CREATED BY JESUS ?

But Jesus said I will send the comforter to you not I will send myself.

Was Jesus God when He was creating?

‏شكرا جزيلا

I was born under the tyranny of the Roman religious system and from a very early age, I KNEW there is only one LORD God. I knew that my Father is invisible just as my spirit is invisible; John 6:63. I know that the Holy Spirit is the Living and Almighty WORD of GOD; John 1:1. I know that ALL of the power of GOD is in His WORD. I also know that GOD clothed Himself with "LIGHT; Psalms 104:2 “Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:” Genesis 1:3 “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.” Revelation 21:23 “And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.” Proverbs 8:30 “Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;” John 6:63 “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” I know there have been countless times, speaking to my right hand (my flesh), LET'S DOTHIS ( this to mean any work I want to have done by me). I have, just as my Father gives all power to His son so it is with me, I have given all of my power to my flesh (my right hand). And, any spirit can test me by asking me questions and I will answer with my spirit. YET, I LIVE IN MY TEMPLE OF FLESH, AND MY WORDS PROCEED FROM THE LIPS OF MY RIGHT HAND. MY FLESH IS ONLY A VAIL OVER THE INVISIBLE ME. SO IN CONCLUSION I AM ONE BEING WITH A COVERING OF FLESH (WHICH HAS NO POWER OF ITSELF), AND I SPEAK THROUGH THE LIPS OF MY FLESH IN ORDER TO BE UNDERSTOOD. MY GLORY (MY FLESH) IS NOT ROBBING ME OF MY BEING BECAUSE IT IS THE LIKENESS AND IMAGE OF ME. Think about this; take a bowl of water and place it on a table and speak over the surface of the water then watch the surface of the water MOVE! Genesis 1:2 “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”

Best explanation ! What would you call this ? Modalism is the closest I can say.

Why do you speak on a stage from a pulpit? Why do you call yourself Pastor? Why do you preach out of a building made by man's hands? Did you go to a "School" seminary to learn this information? Why should someone take your word for anything spiritual? Honest questions... What is your Statement of Faith?

Yes, you can "prove" the Trinity just as you can prove that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese..

You're not seeing the overall understanding of the scripture.. Jesus is clearly God's word. He did not exist as independent to God the Father. God created everything through his word just by speaking and Jesus is God's word, so we can conclude that God created everything through Jesus. Just as my word belongs to me but is not me myself, therefore God's word belongs to God, is divine but is not God himself..

Trinity is of pagan origin

I think we have to consider that there is a mother in the God head , I see the the Genesis account in the making of Adam and Eve , appears to support the idea . Rom 1:20 says : for since the creation of the world ; His invisible attributes are CLEARLY SEEN being understood by the things that are made even his eternal power and God , so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE . 21 because although they KNEW GOD ,they did not glorify him as God , nor were thankful ,but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened .22. professing to be wise, they became fools , and Changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an IMAGE made like corruptible man and birds and four footed animals in creeping things. We have changed God into that which can’t be seen in creation. What do we make God to be ? In Genesis God made man in Their likeness . Here we have turn God into corruptible mans likeness .I try to think what does that really mean? Man runs around humping on everything , if they get a woman pregnant, she’s on her own to deal with the offspring , the man’s off looking for new fodder? Living life in the food chain? Was it Gods Plan for Mankind to reveal what and who HE really is ? So is ,there simply no leadership in taking care of the things , as there should be , but only if we get rewarded? Was the son really a Son ,and is the Father really a Father ? Or are those terms that aren’t really understandable , God don’t share the truth with us ?Looks to me like we got serious problems in our view of God .

Not possible, my friend!

WOW. What a "proof"! The Jews did not believe in trinity. This must be final, right? Before you answer, consider the fact that the same Jews with their knowledge of the Hebrew language were the once who rejected Jesus as Messiah and demanded "crucify Him, crucify Him."

The word Elohim is used in plural meaning as well. Not just singular absolute. When OT speaks of other false gods those gods are called Elohim. I agree there is not trinity in sight in Genesis. Just be careful with the Hebrew meaning and usage of Elohim.

Daniel 7 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Both Son of Man and Ancient of Days are worthy of worship...... STRIKE ONE AGAINST UNITARIAN BULLSHIT

Jesus said, I Am. Moses saw Christ. The trinity is a lie, but Jesus is God. He was killed for saying he was God. Jesus is the word. The Holy Spirit is truth. When you do not define everything you are saying you leave room for interpretation. I could be totally wrong, I am a young Berean.

Talk about satan impersonating jesus christ when the time comes

Amen".

Proving the Trinity is as perverse as proving God is a woman. It has consequences.

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انت يا نادر بتضيع وقتك فى حاجة منتهية الله الأب الله الابن الله الروح القدس اقرأ كتابك المقدس كويس. ياترى الأستاذ نبيل موافق معال ولا هو على رأيه من البداية كما عرفناه. رحمتك يارب

You are suppose to preach the 3rd Angel message, Sunday Law is at the door, before your eyes, and here you are with difference little things the whole world are not sure till they make it to heaven.

Before Abraham, I have been..Not I AM ..this is the true interpretation

This is incorrect teaching. Here is what the Bible says about the Holy Spirit. Check it out yourself. Acts 5:3,4/ Eph. 4:30/ Matt. 12:31,32/ I Cor. 12:3-13/ Rom. 8: 14-16, 26 / I Cor. 2:10,11/ John 14:16/ 2 Cor. 13:14/ Matt. 28: 19/ Eph. 4:4-6/ I Peter 1:2/ Gen. 1:26 ...3:22...11:7 Isa. 6:8 These show that the Holy Spirit is God, has emotions, can be blasphemed against, has a will, can lead people, interceded for us, knows things of God, was sent from the Father at Jesus' request;; All three were present at baptism; we are to be baptized in the name of all three; all three are mentioned, and the term "us" is used in reference to the Godhead. All three are mentioned in I Peter 1:2 by name. Father, Spirit, Jesus. You can't miss it. This man is incorrect in his teaching. The Holy Spirit is a person who is God. Acts 4: 3, 4 makes that very clear. He is called God by Peter.

Thank you for your teaching about the Trinity, What's important I believe for salvation is to believe that God has sent a redemption for us his son Jesus. Salvation is the number one thing and to believe in God's forgiveness and salvation is the most important thing. However I don't Like the Trinity teaching for many reasons. Number one it makes our God look to be weak in that he died on the cross. Muslims bodies and other religions will laugh at the Christian God in that he died God cannot die that is a foolish statement and belief. Other religions will mock at the Christian believe the Trinity doctrine is laughable, Foolish. There are countless scriptures that prove Jesus is God's son and god is the father and creator of all. Also Jesus is pre existing Jesus was created before all things. The Bible clearly says that Jesus created all things along with God. Jesus was not created 2000 years ago, He was not created when he was born from Mary, He existed long before that it's in the scriptures. I challenge anyone any scholar any teacher to debate me on the subject. Finally I truly believe the Trinity is a doctrine from the Roman Catholic Church. The early Catholic Church is known for many heresies and false teaching.

Not son of God that he has the same divine nature - it says clearly Jesus was fully human .... in Judaic langauge a son of God inherited the Father’s ruling authority hence king David was called the son of God etc the Father annoints his sons with ruling authority on his behalf Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' God’s word is his logos or memra in Aramaic both coming from the Hebrew dabra - Memra is the Aramaic for “word”, which, in the Greek, is Logos. The concept of the memra is derived from Psalm 33:6: “By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.” The root Hebrew for ‘word’ here is dabar. In the text, the inflected word is bidabar-“by the word” To simplify - God is his thoughts and his plans - you are your mind like your soul are your thoughts - Jesus is the plan of God and was in the thoughts of God his plan becoming flesh -I.e God spoke of Jesus birth and planned and revealed the birth of his son to the prophets - then when Jesus was born this was God’s plan coming to pass. The word I.e the logos became flesh in John 1:1 Both the Aramaic word used for” word “in this verse “Memra” and also the Greek word used “logos” come from the same understanding- the “word of God” has been used before in the Old Testament and is the Hebrew “Dabar” I.e the Dabar of Elohim Dabar means God’s spoken words commonly used when he creates things. The word became flesh is a very common saying in Hebrew and it does not mean God became flesh like when God spoke the world into existence and planned it in his mind -his word became the world 🌍 not that God became planet earth but his plans and thoughts became the world.

You are very good at Twisting the Truth .YOU WOULD MAKE A GOOD LAYER . ALL THE TEXTS THAT YOU HAVEN GIVEN ,MAKE MOORE SENSE, IF THE HOLY GHOST IS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE GODHEAD . THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY MAKES IT VERY CLEAR, IN THE DESIRE OF AGES PAGE 670-671, THAT THE WORK AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE GODHEAD IS THE SPIRIT , THE HOLY GHOST , THAT BRINGS JESUS INTO OUR MIND AND WILL, THAT IS THE ACTIVE AGENT OF THE GODHEAD , THAT MINISTERS , DIVINITY AS WE BECOME BORN AGAIN .

Pure deceptive heresy spoken in this sermon.

“Let us” is the plural of majesty ask any Jew - Jesus only existed in the foreknowledge and plan of God he did not exist as a soul and physically until he was born.

God is a Trinity of Spirit . Prov. 9: 10 Say's The fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Wisdom and the Knowledge of the Holy one is Understanding 1 Cor. 1:24 say's that Jesus Christ is the power or knowledge and the Wisdom of God The True God and eternal life the New Testament promise Eternal life in Jesus Christ He is the Understanding and Life Eyernal ..in order for God to be known to be seen to be praise to be exalted to be worship and to be Understood He created or formed an Image of Himself in the person of Jesus Christ Rev. 3:14 , Isa. 7 : 14 , 9 : 6 ,- 7 , 11: 1 - 2 , 43 : 10 - 13 , Jn 1:1-14 ,1 Tim. 3:16. The Fathet is Lord - Isa. 9:6 , 63:16 ,64:8 the Son is God Jn.1:1-14 ,1 Tim.3:16 and the Holy Spiirit is the Almighty Rev. 1:8 , 4:8 , 21:22 , 22:13 . The Lord is the Name Ex. 6:3 ,Isa. 42:8 ,Luke 2:11 God is the Image and Body 1 Tim.3:16 Eph. 4:6 the Holy Spirit the Almighty Job ,33:4 ,Rev 1:8. in God personality .May the Holy Spirit enlighten you this. God Bless , AMEN .

Cunningly devised deception. Could not accept his shallow commentaries. Doesn’t make sense to me, Arianism: Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God. (Please look up what the Arians believe). This is ‘blasphemy’.

So another antichrist video great

YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE ORCHESTRATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT , YOU ARE TWISTING THE TRUTH , YOU AND THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY ARE OUT OF HARMONY YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO THE TRUTH , AND REPENT OF SUCH FALSE DOCTRINE BEFORE THE HOLY GHOST GIVES UP ON YOU . SATAN HATES THE HOLY GHOST , HE LOVES YOUR MESSAGES .

You make no sense at all. You pick verses and speak nonsense. When you speak nonsense thats nonsense right?