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Triumph Tiger 660 VS Yamaha Tracer 7 - Which Is Best? 

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@JorgeVentura79
@JorgeVentura79 2 года назад
Great content 👏🏻
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Thank you very much Mr. Ventura 💪😁
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Oh my, a SUPER THANKS!! 😃 Thank you very Much Mr. Ventura 😁😎👍
@adzilla1985
@adzilla1985 2 года назад
You can adjust the dash brightness. You press and hold the dash function button before turning the ignition on. One way switches the odometer from mph to kmph and the other way changes the brightness
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Fantastic! Thanks for that 👍
@thunderbear0
@thunderbear0 2 года назад
The reliability and the look of tracer is enough for me to choose
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Yamaha do certainly make great motorcycles, that's for sure 👍
@rivaldealer
@rivaldealer 2 года назад
Awesome content John, thanks for sharing your thoughts on these two bikes! One quick question, any particular reason you're keeping reliability out of your comparison? It's something I'm sure most of us consider, especially as you seem to be interested in putting a lot of KM on the next bike as opposed to just picking it up to "drive around town" or to go to the pub with your mates. Looking forward to your next video!
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hi there 👋 Thanks for the compliment 💪 As you correctly suspect, reliability is a huge issue for us. However, in my opinion, i do think most main manufacturers are all quite reliable as long as you treat the bikes well and get them serviced in a timely fashion. There will always be the ocasional "lemon" unfortunately, and we have all heard the good, the bad and the ugly from the same brand and model... This said, we will be avoiding some cheaper brands, because i believe you get what you pay for, but even those are getting good reviews nowadays.... However, I'm old school, and i am a firm believer of Japanese engineering... 🤫
@punkrockdidi
@punkrockdidi Год назад
Owned a tracer 7 for 6 months,biggest disappointment of all the bikes I owned... If you really want a Yamaha you have to go with the "bigger" models.I've owned 2 of the CP2 platform and it feels like a mass-produced piece of appliance... Triumphs are much more composed,a little bit more expensive but well worth the extra money!
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
That's a very interesting comment 👍 Was it the lack of power that just didn't tickle your fancy?
@punkrockdidi
@punkrockdidi Год назад
@ThePortugueseGuy the performance was indeed one of the "problems" I had with it,it felt really muted.Even after I put an aftermarket exhaust on it (MIVV) It didn't change in the good way.The plastic fairings didn't line up 100%,the DRL broke the first day I picked it up,the wind protection was not good enough (IMO).It's a shame cause the first time I saw it I was hooked by its looks but once owning it the looks faded pretty quickly.When owning a European brand u get the feeling it is made with care and love (currently own a MG v7 special from 2022) the tracer really felt like a machine that does what it has to do,nothing more nothing less 😅 and I repeat IMO 😉 great content you make amigo!
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
@@punkrockdidi What do you thing of the Guzzi? I find the 855 quite interesting🤔
@punkrockdidi
@punkrockdidi Год назад
@ThePortugueseGuy I am in love with the Guzzi,I commute on it every day (yes even in the snow).It is something special,agreed it's not for everyone,it is a more "old-school" bike.The engine is more torque oriented with a great balance between comfort and sportiness on the handling department.For what I use the bike for it's more than capable and it has a 21L fuel tank + it's shaft driven 😁
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
@punkrockdidi great feedback. Thanks for that 👍 I'd also prefer my next bike to be shaftdriven. Lets see 🤔
@tomatedelbueno4177
@tomatedelbueno4177 Год назад
I don't have any problems with turbulences with GT windshield on the Tracer. I'm 1.76, and perhaps the only annoyance is the side to side sway during windy weather, but that's inevitable. I think there is no point in scoring stand position, since you won't stand almost any time. A much more interesting score would be companion comfort.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Hi There 🖐 That's great! Unfortunately that wasn't my experience.. I rate standing, because i stand up a lot, especially off road. Pillion is of no interest to me, so i don't rate it :) As you see, choosing a motorcycle is a very individual decision. What is important to some, may not be for others :) Ride safe 💪💪
@carlosqueiros1
@carlosqueiros1 4 месяца назад
Adoro os videos, estão a saudar-me na escolha de mota. E também gostei muito das botas, pode partilhar a marca e modelo? 🙏
@raphael002135
@raphael002135 2 года назад
boa tarde sr João neves, seus video está excelente muito bem produzido, por favor coloque legenda em português, no por que nem toda gente saber inglês...
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Olá meu amigo. Não se preocupe. Para a semana já temos as legendas em Português 👍 Agora estou de fim de semana a gravar outro 💪🏍
@raphael002135
@raphael002135 2 года назад
@@John_Neves obrigado! assim tem muito mais views, pois eu muita gente não saber bem inglês
@mookyzook
@mookyzook 2 года назад
Completely subjective, rode both bikes hated the tracer loved the triumph a much smoother ride. Two friends owned tracers, both had horrible engine problems almost from new.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Totally agree. Subjectivity is the base of all opinions. This is just mine. I'm looking for a pair of bikes, and I'll buy the bikes i felt were best for me 👍 Others may not agree, and that's fine 😁
@panagiotissarris8683
@panagiotissarris8683 2 года назад
i have a tracer 700 which it has by far the best engine but not a very good protection. i had many motorcycles and i can say one of the best overall was my suzuki vstrom 650 2013. but the truth is that the best vallue for money motorcycle and the one that i would buy if i had the money is the tracer 900. fantastic engine with 3 cylindres and no problems. regards from greece
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hello my friend, how are you? Thanks far watching 👍 I honesty did not like the Tracer 9 so much... Phenomenal engine, but i prefer the 7 in practically everything else 🙂
@margusjuur7881
@margusjuur7881 2 года назад
I didnt like the 2022 tracer9 do to the engine vibration coming from the handelbars, witch made my hands go numb about 30min of riding on the motorway. Also the engine sounds like its going to expolde any second if you drive it hard. Not a good feeling about about yamaha cp3 anymore.
@georgekotsomytis8372
@georgekotsomytis8372 Год назад
Ride a Tiger first and talk about the engine.
@All_SportGG
@All_SportGG 5 месяцев назад
​@@georgekotsomytis8372tracer engine is better.
@DeeoMaika
@DeeoMaika 2 года назад
This propably was the best review I 've seen. Thanks alot for your honesty John. I really appreciate the scoring system. Gread Job!
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Thanks man 👍 I'm glad the video hepls you 👍
@markellis3648
@markellis3648 3 месяца назад
Riding aids are not to combat power it there for rider safety so all bike should be afforded this tech. Yamaha is good at moulding plastic into a good looking bike
@a8uella
@a8uella Год назад
As a young person who needs a reliable, quality built, good looking short commuter this review was the confirmation I needed. Absolutely in love with the tiger sport 660
@duramirez
@duramirez 5 месяцев назад
I am super young with 43 years of age. 🙂 and yes I own a Tiger 660, I don't understand his opinion about age regarding the Tiger at all. Oh well.
@PauloParreira
@PauloParreira 4 месяца назад
@@duramirez I´m a yamaha fan but in this case i wish all the good point went to triumph... a much better looking byke 😇
@duramirez
@duramirez 4 месяца назад
@@PauloParreira truths :D
@derektaylor5351
@derektaylor5351 2 года назад
You forgot build quality, my wife had an out of the showroom zero miles on the clock MT07 and we found the first rust on it after 3 weeks as the paint was as thin as a politicians promise. Triumph have far better build quality and much thicker paint which allows for those inevitable flying small stones.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Oh yes. I fully agree. I could almost swear i mentioned the lack of quality of the Tracer in the vid though 🤔
@derektaylor5351
@derektaylor5351 2 года назад
@@John_Neves mentioned it as you were talking about touring with off road capability and low maintenance costs. Unfortunately Yamaha like most Japanese bike companies shoot their bikes through the paint booth by catapult.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Amigos de língua portuguesa, as legendas saem para a semana. fiquem atentos 💪👍 EDIT: Já temos legendas 😀
@ferdiebeer
@ferdiebeer 2 года назад
Awesome and informative review! Is the CFMOTO 800MT available in your country? It's a Chinese brand but I've been hearing good things about it. I'd love to see it compared in this category.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hey there 👋 Thanks for the compliment 😃 I have also heard very good things of the CFMOTO which has made me very curious also. Let me see if i can get my hands on one 👍
@ruahinesrider
@ruahinesrider Год назад
CF Moto has the same engine as the phased out KTM 790.CF Moto actually made KTM 790 engine for KTM.
@bfurquim
@bfurquim 7 месяцев назад
Hi John. I understand these videos are a bit old. I wonder if you continued the quest in finding the best touring moto for your needs. Also, haven’t you considered the Tiger 900s? In your plan you’ll be testing out more expensive and heavy bikes like the explorer, africa twin, multistrada, and even the bulky BMW GS12. Why not the Tiger 900 instead?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 7 месяцев назад
Hi Bruno, Unfortunately i haven't had time for this channel. I've tried a load of bikes, but still ride my strom. I just haven't found anything that is that much better and worth spending my cash on. I enjoyed the 900 a lot. My wife may buy that very bike 👍 For now she switched to a CB500X. She loves everything about it, apart from the power.
@SandraOrtmann1976
@SandraOrtmann1976 2 года назад
As much as I love my Tracer 700 (2020 model), I absolutely had to get bar risers. With the stock setup, my back always started to protest after a little while. Also, I did not find the comfort seat (got the touring packet) that comfortable and went with the basic stock seat for a while. After a bit of fiddling, I put the heated seat cover from an older model onto the comfort seat base. Works great, never had that before. Also replaced the fancy touring hardcases against my boxy, 20 year old Givi hardcases, each 45 litres. Now it has really turned into a mile-munching machine.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Great! I glad you were able to make your ride more comfortable 👍 I'm sure your comment will help others, so thanks for that 😀👊
@douglasalexander4348
@douglasalexander4348 2 года назад
45 litres each ! Well done. GS riders will be envious haha. Gel seats and memory foam sound good but are overrated. I un-stapled my tracer 9 seat, a 1cm of firm foam on top and staple up again. Way better, but an upright style bike puts a lot of weight on your rear so it’s never perfect. A Chinese copy airhawk is worth a try if you let it down almost flat.
@williamrae9954
@williamrae9954 2 года назад
Gilles on mine from a 900
@rcrossz7
@rcrossz7 2 года назад
really interested to see your bike in pictures but youtube doesnt allow
@SandraOrtmann1976
@SandraOrtmann1976 2 года назад
@@rcrossz7 Maybe I can make a short video with my crappy phone camera? I do not have a fancy one, just an antique DSLR without video function. But I am afraid there is not much to look at, I did not want it to stand out, only to push its touring capacities.
@RN-lo6xc
@RN-lo6xc Год назад
Limeys gonna limey… Tracer looking dated? Compared to the Tiger of all bikes? Hahahhahahahahahaa.
@neilanderson2374
@neilanderson2374 6 месяцев назад
Love the look of the Yamaha. But for 2k less you can get the Honda CB500X/NX500
@1step2deadline
@1step2deadline 8 месяцев назад
És bastante fluente em Inglês mas desapontou-me o facto de confundires "Breaks" com "Brakes". Anyway, boas reviews e espero que continues o bom trabalho.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 8 месяцев назад
Muito obrigado. Infelizmente foi um grand typo... entre assumir a critica e editar tudo de novo, optei por aceitar a critica que sempre dá dois dedos de conversa :) Boas curvas :)
@robertgonzalez4388
@robertgonzalez4388 10 месяцев назад
Everyone can give their opinion based on their criteria and needs which of the two is better, but for me the GP2 engine that the Yamaha Tracer has has no comparison. It is also a very logical, reliable and excellent quality motorcycle.
@PauloParreira
@PauloParreira 4 месяца назад
Didnt know your channel, congratulations. Very good review. Just subscribed.
@Tracerrider7
@Tracerrider7 Год назад
Riding a rebel500, buffeting could ruin my ride. Especially when at high speeds, windy, or in highway
@alpersan
@alpersan 5 дней назад
very nice explanations mate, great and thanks!
@TheVelasquez87
@TheVelasquez87 2 года назад
Hi João. New here...didn't have the opportunity to watch full video but I will 😉 Recently had my tracer 900 for 86k and try the trident 660 as a possible replacement and it is not so far away as I was thinking. For me is a no brainer comparing to the tracer 7, for a little more you get a better bike in every way and is not so far away as tracer 9 (Standart)...in fact I think the trident is more close to the tracer 9 as the tracer 7. Of course, last decision is yours but my 2 cents on vote for trident 660 all the way ✌️
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hi there👋 Thanks for tuning in 😃 Both bikes are fantastic. But for traveling i do think the tracer 7 would be the better bike to have for the reasons i explain on the video 👍
@ezfly5680
@ezfly5680 Год назад
Enjoyed your content. I'm looking at the tiger sport 660 cause here in the US we dont get the tracer 7. 😥
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Seriously? wow.. Didn't know that.... The tiger is a great bike though. You'll love it 💪 Buffeting is however a nightmare
@skysoldier856
@skysoldier856 Год назад
First time watching this creators content. Well done Sir. New sub here.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Wow. Thank you very much! It's nice to know my content is useful 😊
@grtbgf
@grtbgf 2 месяца назад
Regarding the buffeting it maynot be the same for you and someone who's shorter, so it's not fair to judge that.
@stefanferia5866
@stefanferia5866 Год назад
Nice review. Try to put om your list Moto Guzzi V85TT.A great option in my opinion considering price/quality/confortable/autonomy. Good luck.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Thats a very interesting bike also 👍
@staceejaxx3071
@staceejaxx3071 11 месяцев назад
Tracer 7 lacks everything. Doesn't have an exciting engine, no technology, ugly AF panel, meeh. Get a Tracer 9 GT + or if you want a barenaked bike get the Vstrom 650, at least that engine lasts forever
@ed.t.hansen6499
@ed.t.hansen6499 3 месяца назад
the 660 has more power and handling for hills, twisties. tracer hp, size is difficult ?
@nilymusic
@nilymusic 2 года назад
i will follow this series as i am about to buy my first real bike above 125
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
That's fantastic! I hope my videos help you make an educated decision 👍
@AlessandroBallabio
@AlessandroBallabio 5 месяцев назад
Sincerely, TS660 is a sport bike, not comparable with tracer 7.
@douglasalexander4348
@douglasalexander4348 2 года назад
At last. A real world non bs review. Friends tiger 9 was hot also, but the tracer 9 wasn’t, both triples so not sure how the Triumphs hotter ? . Looking at going down from the Tracer 9 to a 7, more relaxing for touring, 9 is like a caffeine shot. Shield on 9. Tried so many, no screen (summer) or a huge Puig touring for distance or cooler weather. Nothing in between worked, so guess it’s the same for the 7 and most adv styles ?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Thanks for the compliment 👍 I fully agree with you. I think you'll be happy downgrading and I'll explain why i also think so in my next video 💪
@douglasalexander4348
@douglasalexander4348 2 года назад
@@John_Neves Title should be ‘less is more’ ? . The 9 has an addictive engine, one of the best I’ve ever had, but I can’t ride it without cracking the throttle, my fault, but that’s when it comes in to its own. It’s a just one more pint type of bike and sometimes I need a more sober day out on a bike haha.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
@@douglasalexander4348 dude, i don't think you need to watch my next video.... seems like you read my script already 🤣🤣
@rustytanks
@rustytanks 2 года назад
Each time I get on my 07' V-Strom dl650 I loose the idea of buying a new bike, thing just gives and gives with no end in sight, but I love the 700 Tracer, simply looks gorgeous
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
I Completely understand you. I have a 1k, and love her. The tracer 7 is fantastic and generally better than a 07 strom. But you can't beat the comfort of a vstrom 👍😁
@SBarbati
@SBarbati 2 года назад
Awesome video meu amigo. You’ve got a new subscriber. Hey I saw that someone suggested you to try the NC750X in the comments. Even if you are not interested I would love to see how you would rate it against all the other bikes you have chosen. Again great video, thank you for sharing your thoughts.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hey there! Muito obrigado 👍 Yeahhhh. The NC750X is a funny looking bike. Neither me neither my wife consider it. I'm sure it's a fantasric machine, but it's also on the heavy side for what it is. Unfortunately i don't think it would be on the series.... each video takes several weeks to produce, so I'm really trying to only review bikes i really consider... but hey, things may change 😁 Thanks for watching 👍
@Forever18358
@Forever18358 2 года назад
@@John_Neves the funny thing is that these reviews, the nc750 is a superior motorcycle than these reviews
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
@@Forever18358 hi there 👋 That may possibly be true, after all it's a Honda 😎 But the NC is one hell of an ugly bike IMO 😬😅😅
@Forever18358
@Forever18358 2 года назад
@@John_Neves it has nothing to do with honda, it is very majestic and beautiful motorcycle
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
@@Forever18358 it's great that you love it my friend and i respect that... 👍
@vageliskoios1062
@vageliskoios1062 2 года назад
1.Triumph Tiger 660 2.Kawasaki versys 650 3.Suzuki vstrom 650 4.Honda nc750x 5.Yamaha Tracer 700
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Nice line up 👍
@PeterValk01
@PeterValk01 2 года назад
Hi John, great content! A question for you. I also hate the turbulence and buffeting. Now I just sold my Yamaha fazer from 2010 and looking for a new bike which will not have that turbulence and buffeting. With a height of 1,85m which bikes would you think of could be good options? Considering most part of driving will be highway?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hi there🖐 Until now, the only ADV i've tried that doesn't buffet is the BMW GSA... There may be others, but i have not tried them all yet. Other than that, most touring bikes are great too. FJR, Honda Pan European, BMW RT for example... Possibly not what you wanted to hear, but bikes have to have quite wide fronts to give riders any serious protection... Hope this helps 👌👍
@PeterValk01
@PeterValk01 2 года назад
@@John_Neves thank you john. I was thinking about a tracer 7 or 9 or a multistrada 950m so really curious about your upcoming episodes. As long as the turbulence is less than my fazer I'm happy
@stefanjepp6612
@stefanjepp6612 Год назад
On my Honda VFR1200 F there is no buffeting. Wind protection is perfekt. The only issue I have is the seating position, which is perfekt for sporty riding but is a little too much leaned forward when I ride all day long.
@mikefrancais
@mikefrancais 2 года назад
Very good review; great editing. But for my size, needs and likes, I bought the tiger 660. Congratulations on your beautiful wife.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Thanks man. The triumph is an excellent bike. I loved it. It's just not the best for our needs. 👍 Happy riding 🏍
@ajdramos
@ajdramos Год назад
The tracer has just received an update for this year. Have you seen it? The one you’re reviewing is already the previous year model and the new one has a bigger wind shield
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Hey their 🖐 I've only seen it in pictures. But the rest of the bike just doesn't quite fit the bill for what we need. Great machine, just not what I'm looking for right now 👍
@motoboyTUGA
@motoboyTUGA Месяц назад
Parabéns João.... Belo conteúdo.
@primalmatter
@primalmatter 2 года назад
For me, as a beginner, the complete lack of any sort of traction control is a big malus for the yamaha.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
I can understand that. Also buy a bike you are most comfortable with 👍
@joaocosta8316
@joaocosta8316 Год назад
Amazing review and it made me decide between these 2 which one was the right one for me. Thank you for this.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Which one did you choose? 🤔
@joaocosta8316
@joaocosta8316 Год назад
@@John_Neves The Tracer 7 but in the end I ended up buying the Kawasaki Versys 650. I'm getting old so I tend to chose stuff made for elderly people :D
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
@@joaocosta8316 🤣🤣
@thomaselliott573
@thomaselliott573 5 месяцев назад
too much blab. Boring. I do not need to know about your trivial personal life. Lucky I stopped you wasting my time
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 5 месяцев назад
Then you missed a great review 💪😂
@ramonandramon
@ramonandramon 2 года назад
great videos, just what i was looking for.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Nice! I'm glad it was helpful for you 👍
@Zbroja69
@Zbroja69 2 года назад
Very nice comparison, thanks. Are you or your wife considering new v strom 1000 or 650?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hi there. Glad you liked the video 😀 I don't think so. From experience i know they are extremely competent bikes, but we are just not to fond of the looks on either 😔 It's not a full no yet, but highly doubtful as the very least.
@janschkeuditz6065
@janschkeuditz6065 2 года назад
Sorry but I could only stand 7 minutes and a few seconds of this robot style speech. Too much home and away ,watching by you maybe. High at the beginning of a sentence and at the end is that normal ? Felt as if I was listening to a radio swinging on a rope . Plus the Trace 7 looked as if you were riding on a donkey ,( so small )
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hey there 👋 I hope that you atleast found the information you were looking for 👍
@janschkeuditz6065
@janschkeuditz6065 2 года назад
@@John_Neves Don't mean yo offend . You and your lady seem to be lovely and genuine people. The donkey thing is not a slur . It just looks like that when a big guy is on a small bike . Yes thank you , your video showed that both the Triumph 6 and Yamaha 7 are both tiny bikes . Although I only managed a few minutes. My its my prejudice against Tony Blair (ex British PM) he talked in that manner .Sorry .....
@alexanderguesthistorical7842
@alexanderguesthistorical7842 2 года назад
Seat heights are too tall. Can't get on them. No I'm not interested in buying without a test ride, because I can't get at least one foot on the floor. Or in buying it and having to spend extra on a lowering kit. OFFER A LOWER SEAT HEIGHT OPTION.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Maybe you could see into another style bike? Most bikes can go where these do anyway, and there are very cool, lower bikes on the market 👍
@alexanderguesthistorical7842
@alexanderguesthistorical7842 2 года назад
@@John_Neves That's the OTHER cop-out, to "just get a lowering kit"; "Just get something else". Unfortunately if you're 6'1" or whatever you don't ever have to experience this, but it's something I've had to struggle with for many years - find a bike you like, then find out the seat height is too tall and you've got to default to either of the two cop-outs; 1) forget about a test ride, buy it without riding it, and then have to fork out for a lowering kit 2) get something else. When all you want is THAT one! How about if you decided to buy a Hyabusa, because you love them? Then you realised you couldn't ride it because the manufacturers had put the handlebars too low down, and you couldn't alter them, without fitting a raising kit? I'm just pointing this out to you, as a reviewer, that relatively few people (especially WOMEN) are able to physically manage to ride a bike with a seat height of 830mm, just because their legs are too short to be able to comfortably and safely put at least one foot on the ground when at a standstill. These bikes are middleweights, not one-litre "elephants", and so SHOULD be able to accept shorter riders - but they don't. "adventure bikes" have a CONVENTION that seat heights are taller than normal. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE. And why should I be excluded from riding an "adventure bike", just because of that stupid design convention that makes the seats too tall. Get my point? As a reviewer, I'm just asking for you to understand that this is actually a BIG PROBLEM for shorter riders - which is completely invisible to taller riders like yourself. Who just reel out the old cop-outs above when somebody mentions seat height (and that's quite irritating).
@zeonos
@zeonos Год назад
a small extra screen on the Tracer 7 worked wonders for me, but it did need some adjustments.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Hey there 👋 Great. The tracer is an amazing Motorcycle 👍
@dannyvan5792
@dannyvan5792 5 месяцев назад
driving in town , no gloves ? ye richt
@james.8442
@james.8442 3 месяца назад
Better or not, i go for Triumph..
@thodoris3790
@thodoris3790 Год назад
hi there!this was the gt version?with the comfortable seat?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Yep. The GT version 👍
@ribbonrides886
@ribbonrides886 2 года назад
Brightness on the screen can be adjusted. And the screen isn't TFT but LCD
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Of course it's a LCD, dammm. My bad 😬 Thanks for that. 👍
@baklcdcvdfv3434r4
@baklcdcvdfv3434r4 2 года назад
Hello why dont you considerAprilia tuareg 660
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hey there 👋 The Tuareg seems like a fantastic machine and i am going to try to get my hands on one 👍
@black_gixxus
@black_gixxus 2 года назад
When are you posting about tracer 9? I can t decide what to buy tracer 7 or tracer 9 and i am waiting for your post😁😁 it s a hard choice and i am looking for almost the same things like you do.. 😔😔 i am waiting for 1 month
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hello my friend 😁 I am sorry to make you wait so long, the video is in production, but it take many hours to put together, which i can only do on my spare time. I will do my best to try to have it out by the end of the month. 💪👍
@black_gixxus
@black_gixxus 2 года назад
@@John_Neves thanks man! You do a great job keep it up!💪
@admiralbeez8143
@admiralbeez8143 2 года назад
I wish there was a sub-700cc sport tourer with shaft drive.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
I agree. I think that would actually make a perfect tourer 👍 Lighter, enough power and ease of maintenance 😎
@beverleynorth4914
@beverleynorth4914 Год назад
Is it a concern that the Tracer does not have a slipper clutch
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
It's indeed always handy... 👍
@CaptainChristianZ1818
@CaptainChristianZ1818 2 года назад
Dude, the Tracer 7 is not a TFT screen, it's an LCD screen.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Yeah.. it is indeed. Silly narrative mistake 👍
@faisalarh
@faisalarh 4 месяца назад
Stumble upon to your channel when searching any Tracer 7 reference for my research of future R25 mod into sport touring one, good comparation too with the latest Tracer 9 comparison. But I found the regularity of publishing the video on this channel are lacking, so reserved for subscribe button for now.
@mickleblade
@mickleblade 2 года назад
The brakes are Sumitomo calipers, the same ones they fitted to the R6 back in the day. For some reason the discs are slightly smaller than the mt07. Another UK youtuber thought the pillion position of the tracer 7 was better than both the tiger 660 and tracer 9. I've done my research 'cos I'm booking a test ride on a Tracer 7 soon too!
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Thanks for that 👌 Didn't try the pillion seat, as it's not really our purpose. But I'm quite sure it's more comfy than the Tiger just by looking at both 😜 Tracer 9 was a huge disappointment... The 7 is a really great bike. 👍 I'd be interested to know if your buy it 💪
@mickleblade
@mickleblade 2 года назад
@@John_Neves BTW I'm not sure the bike you tested was an OE GT model. I think the yamaha panniers don't have a scaffolding underneath.
@SZ-75
@SZ-75 9 месяцев назад
I am 178cm, but have shorter legs and i manouvre with big bikes no problem. Never flipped ot and i ride or rode GSA, Africa Twin, Tracer 9, EXC, SXF..etc. It’s all about tehnique and knowledge, not about the strenght and leg size
@sjoukedijkstra7110
@sjoukedijkstra7110 2 года назад
You're missing the MotoGuzzi V85TT
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
I'm actually very interested in that bike 🤫
@igormorais9362
@igormorais9362 2 года назад
Gostei do conteudo.. tambem estou na mesma situação. Os euros nao abundam para comprar a mota errada e este video esta muito bom. Esse inglês causa inveja a qualquer um!
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Muito obrigado amigo :) Pois... é preciso escolher muito bem...
@kuoni13
@kuoni13 7 месяцев назад
You compare two motorcycles, but in the video you mainly show Yamaha. How can you compare maneuvering, for example, if you can only see how you do it on one motorcycle? This material looks like an advertisement, not a comparison.
@ozantezer87
@ozantezer87 2 года назад
I’m sorry but l could not find the Tracer9vs… video that you mention here 😊
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
I actually have the video done, i just haven't managed to finish editing yet 😬 Sorry for that 😔
@ozantezer87
@ozantezer87 2 года назад
@@John_Neves Good, waiting 😁
@ilbrexx
@ilbrexx 7 месяцев назад
Ok but... I'm still buying the Tiger 660 for quality/price ratio, finishing & design, and dash features.
@nobik66
@nobik66 2 года назад
I had the Tracer 700 (2021) and I´m traveling a lot before I bought the MV Agusta Turismo Veloce. I can underline your result - the Tracer 7 is a very good multi tool with which you can do everything what has to be done on a motorbike. I also had the Tiger 600 on my list. But without a center stand touring and maintenance can be pain in the ass. Thanks for this detailed video with so many aspects. Helps people a lot to make their decision. Keep up the good work and stay healthy...
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Thanks alot 👍 We are truly considering this bike for my wife. Itsa great machine 👍 Happy travels 🏍
@richardhretczak536
@richardhretczak536 Год назад
Agree 100% with you on absent of center stand on Tiger. Big - on my list.
@tiagomilhazes43543
@tiagomilhazes43543 Месяц назад
I really wanted an opinion, you guys know better about motorcycles than me. I need to make 200 km per day to go to the office, like 2 times per week, i was thinking getting a xmax 300 or a forza but im afraid that they might ending with issues for such a big distances. I want a confortable ride. what do you suggest?(i have licence for every CC)
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Месяц назад
@@tiagomilhazes43543 bmw R1250RT 👍
@tiagomilhazes43543
@tiagomilhazes43543 Месяц назад
@@John_Neves Thank you for the suggestion but i was thinking something a little bit cheaper xD like 10k max
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Месяц назад
@tiagomilhazes43543 the 300 engine will rev too high for long trips. Any motorcycle will do everything you need, the difference will be in the comfort or practicality. For specifically 200 km 2 x week you want a big engine for low revs, high-speed stability and lots of wind protection to arrive fresh at your destination. Look for a 2nd hand pan-European, FJR or RT. Thse bikes are amazing for what you need 👍 Maxi trails are also an option, but most have wind buffeting and as they sit high up, they will usually not be so stable as a sports tourer/tourer. 👍
@mitsospouliezos6289
@mitsospouliezos6289 10 месяцев назад
the enormous axcept of the tiger 660 by the riders ....is the truth and not your numbers ...
@williamrae9954
@williamrae9954 2 года назад
Just went from a Tracer 900 to the 700, it never grew on me(loved the triple cylinder engine though). Never have "buffering" as with all bikes, I get rid of the screen... want a screen, buy a car(i sit behind a truck one all day). I had a metal replacement on the 900, still awaiting my 700 conversion. About to start filming a Tracer7 ADV build, but as no one want the brand new wheels and tyres, I'm just about to start using it(motorcyclists are weird people, unused wheels and Michelin Pilots, they'd rather punch out/renew the bearings,shot blast and paint then fit new tyres than bolt on brand news wheels to their old bike at more cost, than buy new)! Fitted 900GT electrics with C/C to my 900, going to miss that, but it is available,aftermarket, all the emissions stuff has bee junked already, Arrow downpipes, no cat and an open can will get the motor running the way it was designed(K+N filter etc). Biggest change coming is the XSR700 swingarm, by fitting the 55mm longer one, it just looks stupid, drag bike-esque. As it's for pottering around the Highlands of Scotland, and up cattle/sheep trails the short rear will be better for turning, etc
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
That sounds like a very interesting project 👌 Where could we see it?
@williamrae9954
@williamrae9954 2 года назад
@@John_Neves Start filming shortly... only been waiting 12mths for a cheque from my late father's estate... need to buy some gear!
@mrEz87
@mrEz87 2 года назад
Go easy on the folks that want screens on their ADVENTURE bikes. If you don't want one or if it's too much like a car, just buy a NAKED. 🤷‍♂️
@jacobwilliams1285
@jacobwilliams1285 8 месяцев назад
So, it has great suspension and is more comfortable than the Tiger...and for me a more characterful engine. I would go with Tracer 7.
@CLCKC69
@CLCKC69 7 месяцев назад
Have your wife wait. Wait untill the CFMOTO 450 MT comes out in late 2024.
@sumadebbarma1495
@sumadebbarma1495 7 месяцев назад
Haw much price
@Treaiser
@Treaiser Год назад
how does it handle? Too wet for me to find out!!! Nice screwdriver though! REALLY?1
@black_gixxus
@black_gixxus 2 года назад
Very good comparisons. I am literally waiting with my breath held for your next videos because in this moment i am searching exactly what are you searching. 😁 and till now i agree with the tracer. 1 more thing wich one do you think it s better inside big city trafic?? Waiting for your next vids
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Hi there 👋 Thanks for the compliment 💪 Honestly? For big city traffic, best would be a scooter 😁 But you know this and don't want one. I do not blame you 😂 Up till now, the only one i find a little cumbersome in traffic was the Tracer 9. All the others were great. But that does not mean the tracer 9 cannot perfectly handle big city traffic, it can, perfectly well. It just won't be as nimble and relaxing as the rest. It's a little top heavy for that 👍
@black_gixxus
@black_gixxus 2 года назад
Nobody really wants a scooter...😁. Thanks for the information. Keep it up! Very good work! Nakeds are good too but i was thinking one of these adv that s why i asked 😁. Thanks again!
@alphawolf0601
@alphawolf0601 2 года назад
@@black_gixxus yes. But you need one.
@KairyuRider
@KairyuRider Год назад
I'd pick the tracer 7.... if it was sold here in japan😢
@bal4av
@bal4av Год назад
Belo review. A respeito da trepidação do capacete, foi o que senti quando experiênciei quando coloquei uma viseira na minha bandit. Cheguei à conclusão que é mais confortável sem a dita. Nunca pensei foi no ar que sobe pela zona das pernas... Boa dica 👍
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Obrigado amigo 👍 Sem dúvida. O que os vidros têm de bom, têm de mau. Ganha-se de um lado para perder do outro. Concordo consigo. Mais vale sem, e ir um pouco mais devagar 👍
@bal4av
@bal4av Год назад
@@John_Neves já agora, que inglês perfeito! Até dá gosto! 👌
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
@@bal4av muito obrigado 😁
@JoaoMarques96
@JoaoMarques96 Год назад
@@John_Neves Já agora uma pergunta à parte, como conseguiste chegar a este inglês? Estudando ou praticando no dia a dia? Obrigado :D
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
@@JoaoMarques96 heeheh. Vivi lá durante uns tempos e esforcei-me para falar com o sotaque deles. Parece que funcionou 😁 Não queria que pensassem que eu emigrante 👍
@MrArty47
@MrArty47 8 месяцев назад
Looks like John kept he`s VStrom 1000 coz we havent see any video since a while :P
@the_freedom_quest
@the_freedom_quest 2 года назад
Tiger 660 is way better
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
😀
@volt8684
@volt8684 Год назад
Until it goes wrong electronics
@chrispack3131
@chrispack3131 Год назад
@@volt8684 Look at MT-07 ( whichis basically what the Tracer 7 is) faults mate..clutch slippage, engine stalls/cut outs,lose of power & surging,common battery problems etc...Ref: Motors & Wheels. So i wouldn’t be worrying about electrics on the 660!
@davisasantos6739
@davisasantos6739 Год назад
Both sounds great, the tracer was better response, more acceleration n top speed, but its ugly If compared against Tiger Sport.
@w8red
@w8red Год назад
🤣🤣🤣 ça doit être ça
@marsarmory6236
@marsarmory6236 Год назад
Would the optional factory lower fairing on the tiger 660 help with the buffeting?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Hey there 👋 Sorry, i didn't quite understand the question? Optional lower fairing? I wasn't aware the was one 🤔
@marsarmory6236
@marsarmory6236 Год назад
@@John_Neves yes Triumph offers a color matched lower fairing as a add-on option. I got one installed on mine but the weather has been so bad that I haven’t had a chance to test it at highway speeds.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
@marsarmory6236 oh i see. The belly pan. Unfortunately you won't see any improvement 😬 How do you find the buffeting on your bike?
@davidefland1985
@davidefland1985 2 года назад
I like the 3 cylinder Triumph
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
It's a very nice bike 👍
@TheOpenRoadExperience
@TheOpenRoadExperience Год назад
That Murphy's Law reference was so funny lol
@prof.2248
@prof.2248 2 года назад
Tracer 7 gt is a perfect machine.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
It is indeed extremely competent 👍
@hezrimustapha6906
@hezrimustapha6906 2 года назад
Again.... excellent review John! Hugely informative... Keep it up!
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Thank you very much. I'm glad it was helpful for you 👍
@duramirez
@duramirez 5 месяцев назад
I love my Tiger 660, don't care for Yamaha. 🙂
@millerjoe1755
@millerjoe1755 Год назад
Lately Yamaha doesn't care about the quality at all ... The Yamaha mt09 is buzzing a lot after 30 kms I don't feel my arms . The 07 is a bit better cause the 2 cilinder .. But if you look the tiger they don't have any plastic on the foot peg what tells a lot about vibrations if they brave enough to give it out like this . In the past 15 years the triumph evolved above the Japanese bikes for my liking.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
I admit the Triumph does feel quite premium compared to the Tracer, but it's not without it's twerks also 👍
@millerjoe1755
@millerjoe1755 Год назад
@@John_Neves i use wilbers springs it's quite good not like the öhlins but the bike become way better and the rear wilbers suspension is adjustable
@millerjoe1755
@millerjoe1755 Год назад
@@John_Neves the other thing I never tried the 700 tracer , but I did try the 900 what is 3 cilinder as the triumphs and the worst thing with that was after 30-40 Kms I didn't feel my hands they got numbed from the vibrations , I never had that with any triumphs , And the other thing was the throttle response in corners when u come out I pulled the gas and I felt no reaction at all for a while and all of a sudden every power come and I felt like that the bike will fly out under me . All the triumphs have bloody accurate throttle response for my liking compare to Yamaha's or any other Japanese bikes .
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
@@millerjoe1755 yeah.. I've tried to convince my wife to get a rear shock, but she's not too enthusiastic about spending that kind of cash, for the experience she has. I can understand that perfectly. How much was yours?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
@@millerjoe1755 The Tracer 9 rider aids are hugely restrictive. To enjoy the bike, you really have to switch every thing off 👍 That's what i did, and i enjoyed the engine very much actually 😁
@9figueiredo
@9figueiredo 2 года назад
Gostava de perceber melhor como achas a suspensão da tracer 07 experimentei e odiei, sempre pensei que a tiger fosse melhor, que tens a dizer sobre isso
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Viva 🖐 Mexeste nas afinações? Eu tive de mexer. Ficou muito bom :)
@9figueiredo
@9figueiredo 2 года назад
@@John_Neves não era de um amigo meu, foi só experimentar assim durante 20km e achei um bocado péssimo, mas ficaste a achar que a tiger era inferior? Obrigado
@MrRui33333
@MrRui33333 Год назад
isso é estranho,. pois tenho a 07 , e nem me queixo ,.. se bem que meu modelo ja veio com algumas melhoria ,..face ao aanterior ,.. mas sei q na tracer , sao bem melhores ,..ja com varias opçoes de regulagens , principalmente a frente ,.. a trás será identica ou a mesma da 07 ,..,..logico que há suspençoes melhor, mas por norma em motos bem mais caras ,..e tbm o peso do piloto inflencia , eu como sou leve ,. nem mexi ,.. , e ate a acho mais ao durinho,.. ja muita gente se queixava de ser muitooooooo mole ,..kkkkkkkk kkkk, mais nas 1- versao das mt 07 ,.. mas isso tbm é algo que se pode melhorar , e sem gastar muito ,..dependendo do que se quer ,..há muitos kit , de melhoramento pra estas maquina ,..!! já exprimentastes a tenere 700 !?
@judge831
@judge831 Год назад
I'd love the Tracer 7. Unfortunately it's not available in the US.
@PokerMuppet
@PokerMuppet Год назад
Can't believe you scored the engine on the Tracer so low for not being lively and having no character. The CP2 engine is the very thing that has got the Tracer, the MT, Tenere, the XSR and even the new R7 such praise over the last 8 years. I've you're not finding it lively it's definitely your riding style and not the engine.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Hey there 👋 Don't get me wrong, it's a great little unit, and i do say that in the video, but the Tiger is just much more fun. In all honesty, I'm used to bigger bikes and these little engines are not enough to get me going 😁 Great for beginners though 👍
@PokerMuppet
@PokerMuppet Год назад
@@John_Neves oh, you're one of those riders, who believes to have fun you need a litre+ engine and that anything less is for beginners. Right... that says it all really.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
@@PokerMuppet Hahaha, That's not what i said my friend. The engine is great, and it can be great fun. I have smaller bikes and i still have a great time on them too. But with time and experience, i just can´t deny that, when rolling the right throttle and feeling a bike literally take off like a jet fighter, whilst the front wheel shoots up in the air with the rear spinning all at the same time, doesn't give huge grin. But hey, that doesn't mean a bike with that kind of power would make the Best Adventure Touring Motorcycle. If you have time, check out my last video and you'll probably be surprised with my conclusion about the Tracer 9, that has more power 👍
@PokerMuppet
@PokerMuppet Год назад
@@John_Neves it's most definitely what you implied. Just as you're implying that you can't wheelie the 7. When it comes to riding, including touring and fully loaded I'd much rather be on twisty country lanes making the most out of every mile. This is something that the Tracer 7 does very well and I've never struggled to keep up with much bigger bikes such as GS1250's, V4 Multi's and KTM1250's. The only time bigger bikes pull away is on more major roads say coming out of a roundabout and open up... even then, we're both doing illegal speeds before they pull away. However, your attitude and perspective is very common among bikers so I am used to it. Riders using a bike's power to compensate for their riding skills which is usually evidenced on track days when a better rider pisses past them on a much smaller engine bike. Either way, it's your choice after all but I'm just calling you out for calling a bike lacking instead of looking at the way YOU ride it. You know what they say about bad workmen and their tools right?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Dude... It's clear you have absolutely no idea as to whom i am as a rider, which is completely understandable. It also seems apparent that I'm not managing to convey the correct message to you, because i say in my video that you can easily lift the front wheel on acceleration.... I completely agree with you. Power will never outrun skill on tight twisty roads. I fully understand you can tail GS's and V4's on tight mountain sections. No dispute. I can relate to that. But if you can overtake those bikes in the mountains, then clearly you´re riding with the wrong crowd. I'm sure you can tail them for some time, but if the riders have the same skill as you, they will gain distance out of every corner. You cannot deny torque and both those bikes have better cornering dynamics than the Tracer 7. Sorry, but it's true. I currently own 4 bikes, mid size and litre bikes. My canyon carving tool of choice is actually my wife's Trident 660. So I'm agreeing once again. It's great fun and i'm probably faster from tight corner to tight corner on that particular bike, but over the distance, my Z1000 and Vstrom 1000 will always make it first to the destination. As soon as i have a chance to fully open the throttle, they will shit on the Trident. You'll understand better when you move on to bigger, more powerful bikes. An experienced rider will only go back to smaller bikes, when their legs can't hold a big bike upright anymore. 😁
@MrTurcao197
@MrTurcao197 2 года назад
Gostei do seu conteúdo João. Ganhou mais um subscrito!
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Que maravilha amigo. Ainda bem que gostou 👍
@mariogomes4847
@mariogomes4847 2 года назад
Excelente review! Gostei bastante! Estou a ponderar voltar ao mundo das motas após 10 anos de paragem. Tenho na lista V strom 650, Tracer 7, versys 650, e talvez a Tiger. Com esta partilha fiquei mais esclarecido e talvez a Tracer seja uma boa opção para viajar tranquilamente e fiável. Muito obrigado. Fiz a subscrição do canal. Parabéns
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Muito obrigado amigo. 👍 Infelizmente ainda não experimentei a versys nem a nova V-Strom 650. Não está fácil arranjar essas duas... Apenas posso dizer que a tracer está muito boa 👍
@moha8136
@moha8136 2 года назад
Excellent, detailed review.
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Thank you very much 👍 I'm glad you enjoyed it 😎
@TheOpenRoadExperience
@TheOpenRoadExperience Год назад
This is my dream bike. I'm hoping this will reach the shores of America. Unfortunately, I am 5'6'' in height, do you think I can get on with this bike?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
The tiger, no. The tracer... sure, you'll be fine 🤣
@maurohorta2382
@maurohorta2382 2 года назад
Olá João! Muito obrigado pela partilha. Eu estou a pensar em adquirir uma mota e as hipóteses que pensei desde o inicio foram a Tracer 7 e a Tiger 660, pelo que estes vídeos têm sido extremamente úteis, até porque aqui assisto a uma análise isenta às motas ao contrário do que se vê em muitos vídeos do RU-vid. Nas últimas semanas comecei a ler mais e a ver reviews da nova Kawasaki Versys 650. Podes partilhar a tua opinião sobre a mesma? Estás a pensar em testá-la também? Ou é uma mota que descartas logo à partida? Obrigado. Abraço!
@John_Neves
@John_Neves 2 года назад
Olá amigo Mauro! Fico muito contente que estes videos têm sido úteis para si 👍 A versys 650 é uma moto que eu gostava muito de ter nesta serie, mas infelizmente não tem sido fácil arranjar uma para teste drive. Até lá não posso opinar, para além de saber que gosto muito da estética 👍 Vou continuando a tentar 💪
@maurohorta2382
@maurohorta2382 2 года назад
Pois, também tenho tentado marcar um test ride com a Kawasaki mas sem sucesso. Também gosto bastante da estética dela mas não é argumento suficiente para coloca-la já como opção. Ja conduzi a Tracer mas da Triumph só consegui testar a Trident. Embora tenha gostado bastante da Trident acredito que a Tiger seja bastante diferente e ainda quero testa-la para perceber se me sinto confortável com ela. Em relação a motas desta "categoria", estar a pensar testar mais alguma? Obrigado!
@PepperGeorge
@PepperGeorge Год назад
Try f900xr
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Not really on my list to be honest 🤔
@davidhall39
@davidhall39 Год назад
Breaks?
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Yeah. I was too late to correct it. I was hoping no one would notice 😁😁
@CS-oj2qp
@CS-oj2qp 8 месяцев назад
What about the Kawasaki Versys 650
@ProGamerKF
@ProGamerKF Год назад
Boas se o capacete abana é porque está largo, estiveste a tomar medidas por uma má escolha de capacete
@tonnynijholt7090
@tonnynijholt7090 Год назад
Hahah I test rode the Tracer 700 last week and had exactly the same when (trying to) activate the blinkers hahah, of course when I was just leaving the dealer 😂
@John_Neves
@John_Neves Год назад
Yeah. Annoying, isn't it 🤣🤣
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