On the road the F900xr will be much better than the Triumph. Off road the bmw was never designed to go there may as well try a s1000rr won't be much worse
@@mikewatson361 still get 19" with 100 tyre vs 17" with 120. And a 150mm vs 180mm at the rear. Don't know why the 900gt does not just have the same as a 950 multistrada. That 100/90/19 front is way to narrow
I was considering either. Going the T7. Simple reliability and after my test ride I felt at home immediately. You can feel the depth of the research Yamaha put in to it with every second you’re riding. It’s just superb. Forget all the tech on the Tiger that’s never going to be totally reliable. If you want a proper ride, the Ténéré gives you that in spades. I sign my name on one this next Thursday 😀 ... sad that Hinckley can’t yet fully compete with Japan but reliability is what I need. The money I save will go in to accessories and personalising.
Hello, I test rode the T7 2021 and Tuareg 2022 and right away the T7 seemed more fit for purpose of a pure ride, it's a "get up and go" machine that you can figure out while waiting for green light on your way to adventure. While with Tuareg I keep staring at the LCD screen with million settings and colours and information overload, not paying attention to the road. Also, Tuareg felt flimsy and small, mind you I am over 6ft and 200lb+.
Anything above 190-200kilos is still way too much for true off-roading. It would be interesting to see how many normal people actually do end up off-roading for significant distances. If it's a just non paved roads that qualifies as off-road, then either of these bikes can do the job. If money were no object, I would opt for the Triumph as most of my riding will be paved or slightly unpaved gravel roads. I prefer the long distance comfort of the Triumph over the Yamaha. But money is an object and I would imagine that the Tenere does 90% of Triumph at 70% of the cost and probably 80% of the comfort. So I guess, Tenere is the choice for me.
I’ve been riding fifty years, the last twenty includes owning and riding plenty of off-pavement “adventure” bikes. The best advice I was given about pre-purchase adventure bikes is this simple three step test: 1) Pretend you own it. 2) Take the bike off the side stand, hold it steady, then then let it drop on a rock hard surface. 3) If you don’t feel any sense of remorse, dread, or panic it could be the bike for you. Albeit, a fourth step may include a quick getaway from the dealership, but you get the drift . . .
It would have been nice to have a description of the difference in on road performance, acceleration especially, between the 2. The 900 may be around £3000 more but if it's way faster and has better torque off of corners then it might be worth the extra quid.
Great review at last with a bit of dirt road rather than tootling around the village back roads in U.K. As an ex-Yamaha dirt bike rider I would go for the Yamaha if I could own only one bike. To get it ready for serious adv rides I would spend $ on sorting out the suspension to a decent performance for my weight + 30 kg of luggage. It would need a throttle lock device for the long hours on sealed roads. I would add a 30 L Safari tank too ( if/ when Robin Box makes one ). Extra costs about $2000 Au. I did keep my DRZ400 adventurized for long distance hard terrain trips ( 600 km range) but bought a Tiger 800 Xcx in 2015. I have ridden the Tiger across Oz twice and it coped better than I expected it would. Fuel range with luggage was 340-380 Km at 100 kph. Fuel consumption goes up as you increase speed! As you stated the Tigers are comfortable and fully equipped. I used a flexible fuel bladder to get the 600 km range I needed (fuel stations are rare in the Outback). From what I can see they have addressed most of the weak points on the 15-19 model, with the possible exception of the front fender is too low and prone to breakage if you use knobby tyres ( needs 15 mm riser kit, but not TT kit/ poor design). Can you adjust riding modes on the fly on the Tiger yet? As an experience dirt rider I found the Tiger easier to ride with the Traction Control switched on in slippery mud than my DRZ. Picking up a fully loaded AV bike by yourself several time a day is exhausting on slippery roads or loose gravel! One other thing you didn't mention is air box access. Getting to the air filter on the Tiger is a pain, but you can fit a Uni Filter pre -filter which is a 5 minute change over job. One last thing; you need to test the bikes with 30 kg or so of gear on the rear end to see how it behaves in its role as a mule ( ADV bikes primary role). If you don't, your impression of a bike being good in the dirt unladened, might change to "way too light with load'.( think BMW F800) You can use a strap on system like the Mosko Moto Reckless 80 ( brilliant design IMO) for this task.
Brillian reply mate, very helpfull in deciding and also what to pay attention too when going remote with a bike. My next adventure is with a bike in the near future so thanks allot
@@70xr7Cougar you are welcome. If you are new to dirt riding , my suggestion is to go small with your first ADV bike. Around 300-500 cc. Not too heavy or powerful. Ride it for a few years and then maybe go bigger. The current Tiger range has risen in price by a lot since I bought mine. Too much now imo. I don’t know what bikes you can get in your country, but I am considering a Royal Enfield Himalayan for my next mount
@@kymstock1852 Thanks, was also why i was looking at the tenere 700...but for my job i also travell allot of highway and then i think a tiger would be better.. Buying a second bike would be too expensive so that means i will take the tiger for remote travelling also. Do have some experiece on dirt with 300cc's and allot on normal roads so easy does it. Sweet bike that Himalayan, very retro in a cool way
Great video. I've been interested in both of these bikes but I'm tired of waiting for the T7 here in the U.S. (my local dealer says we won't get one until December of 2020). The T7 would have been my first choice because I am the person who really enjoys taking the big bikes off-road literally. I used my KTM 950 Super Enduro R as my dirtbike while riding with my buddies on their 2 stroke machines. The challenge of riding a big bike in hard terrain is incredibly rewarding. That being said I do enjoy long trips also. I rode the TAT - Trans American Trail on my adventurized KTM 500exc and honestly 99% of the time the bike was way overkill and I wished I was on my bigger more comfortable bike. I thought about getting the KTM 790 Adventure R but something about it just doesn't interest me. So basically what I'm saying is there is no right answer. Get what you think will suit you best. I'm thinking I will go with the Tiger 900 Rally Pro when it's available to me here in a month or two. Maybe one day I'll get to test ride a T7 but I'm not holding my breath that long.
@@paoloc3318 Way to bring a 2 year old comment back from the dead lol. I've had multiple bikes since then. None of them being a T7. I've completely lost interest in the Yamaha.
I loved this review, since I can make my own conclusions. ... The weight is not properly assessed, and even in the video the reviewer claimed Tiger is 220kg, but in reality the Tiger is 201kg dry ... +20kg of fuel, +oil, +brake fluid, +coolant, +fork oil, +etc ... and the final weight will be much higher than simple extra fuel (until someone measures it). So what is the actual weight? ... It may also be possible that the radiator is larger on the Tiger to account for larger motor, hence more coolant. ... We need someone independent to properly weight all the bikes with all required fluids using the 3 scales method (front wheel , bike wheel, side stand). At the end of the day all manufacturers should provide weight of their bike fully fuelled and ready to use, not 80% of fuel, or some arbitrary number. Even minimal maintenance tools should be included in weight, and normal tires not extra slim ones lasting only the trip home from the dealer. People tend to show only their good side and when there's no good side to show, they change the way data is displayed, I hate manufacturers that show only dry weight, makes me not trust them. ... Those 4 extra fuel litres on the Tiger will be weight you have to carry most of the time ... you will probably add fuel less often, but you will be at least 4kg heavier all the time. And this is weight up high. And I suspect that since the motor is bigger you need the extra fuel to account for displacement, weight, etc. ... The crash bars on the Tiger are only for the motor and there is no protection for the radiator and upper fairing. To have the same protection on the T7 you would probably need to add 2 or 3 kg, so that's not that very much. ... The Tiger does have more power since it's a 888cc vs Tenere's 689cc ... so this the the extra 200cc of power, but also extra maintenance, and probably even more expensive insurance. ... Those 20HP more on the Tiger will be of no real use in the trail unless you go flat out and will obviously consume more fuel ... all other reviews point out that int he trail you do not really need a lot of HP. I guess it depends on the rider, but comparing a Tiger 900 with a Tenere 700 we need to realize these things. Where it will help having more HP is going two-up and that's probably only tarmac anyway. ... The actual range is more than 200 miles on the Tenere 700 and this will probably be enough for most... (see link) rockriverpowersports.motorcycles/Motorcycles-Yamaha-Tenere-700-2021-Johnson-Creek-WI-fb7f155e-46bd-45fa-a909-ab11004790bf ... Yamaha also claims a fuel efficiency of 56 mpg and a range of 215 miles ... but it depends on the rider ... the Tiger has an estimated range of 230 miles ... so there is not much difference there ... ... if the T7 carries an extra 4 liters = 0.89 imp.Gal * 56mpg = 49 miles ... so this will put the T7 in front of the Tiger on actual range with an extra 34 miles. ... The actual mileage range on flat ground will also be different as opposed to going up a mountain since the less weight you have to carry the easier it's going to be and the less fuel you will use. The devil's in the details, I know. ... for all those wanting more ... here is another option ... www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/triumph/triumph-tiger-900-2020-rally-gt-pro-review-price-spec ... I think I have to stop analyzing these reviews, ... at the end of the day we should all buy what we love and make the most of it. ... so go out here, buy a motorcycle ... and ride baby ride ...
I would have thought that the triumph is pitched against the BMW 850 Gs, KTM 790 adventure and probably the Honda Africa twin. Maybe these should be compared?
Nice video...i need a suggestion , I ride 350cc bike and i am thinking of Rally pro....Is it a good decision to switch from 350cc to 900cc or i should go for 600,700series....??
Good video and a balanced assessment. However your seat height specs are incorrect - the Rally Pro is 850-870 (the road focused GT has the lower seat).
Surely if you were doing apples with apples you'd have gone with base Tiger900 Rally at £11,700.00 against T700 £9,313 (with heated grips) for the price? Rally Pro has all the electronics which T700 clearly can't ever have.
Great video, what is the tiger 900 top speed ? And have you ridden the bmw f850gs, if so who would win in a drag race between the f850 and the tiger 900 ?
Hi i would love a comparison video of all adventure bikes that got a 19 inches front wheel: Tiger 900 GT/GT pro, V85TT, V-Strom 650 XT /1050 XT, CB500X, F750GS, R1250GS... I wish we would have much more choice in that category!
It's the lack of complicated systems and electronics on the Yamaha that appeal to me . Just get on it and ride. The much lower price would be hard to ignore too.
I get what most people are saying about this not being a "good" or "fair" comparison, and you're all right to an extent. Though I'd wager most of you are just adventure bike lovers or just pounding away at the internet, and not seriously considering purchasing either one of these bikes. If you're seriously looking to purchase a bike right now then this comparison is the one you're looking for (though its conclusion was predictable and not the most helpful). If you want to buy a serious mid weight adventure bike right now that is 60/60 on road and off then you're looking at the Yamaha T700, KTM 790 Adventure R, BMW F850 GS Adventure, and the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. All of these bikes will do what you want them to. You can draw a line between the first 2 and the last 2 I mentioned and you would have fair comparisons... but then take the overall winner (including price and styling) from each of those 2 comparisons and this is what you have the cheap no nonsense bike that can do it all (T700) vs. The better equipped more luxurious mo $$$ bike that can do it all (Tiger Rally Pro). It's like Jeep Rubicon vs. Range Rover (land cruiser vs. range rover would be more country appropriate but the modern land cruisers are really nice and cost about the same as a range rover). The Jeep wins in almost every category except for long distance travel and pulling tail from a bar saying I drive a Range Rover ( I literally saw a kid do this in college... didn't work for him that night but I'm sure it has on the wrong kind of girl). If adventure motorcycling is your only interest and hobby, or money isn't an object, then get the Tiger. If you're crossing desserts, already have a bike, or just want to save money then get the Tenere. It looks like I'm going to end up draining the wallet on the Tiger because Yamaha can get almost everything right except for its US product Launch. Really Yamaha? Also apparently dealers are trying to charge full MSRP for the Tiger... that's almost enough to make me wait till December for the T700. Maybe the new version Yamaha has planned will be out by then and it will have a tft screen with bluetooth connectivity and possibly a bigger/ second tank?
Hey guys thanks for the video! Just wondering what the engine performance is like between the tenere and something like the versys 650 or the v strom 650? Which of the bikes feel like it has more torque? Or which one cruises better on a highway or which has the higher top speed? Thanks guys!
Contrary opinion, I think this was a great comparison. I like the idea of both of these bikes for various reasons. I think they mailed the final verdict. The T7 would be great if you had another bike for long distance travel but the Tiger 900 Rally Pro is a better do it all machine. I'm confident I could ride the same terrain on both bikes although off-road it would take a little more concentration and picking a better line on the Tiger rather than just blowing through stuff on the T7 and letting the suspension soak it up. Everything else I believe the Tiger has the T7 beat hands down. Riding 500+ miles to get to the start of an adventure rally would be much more enjoyable on the Tiger with it's cruise control and the bike would still handle the adventure tracks just as you would on the T7. I would take the T7 to a local off-road riding park and ride it like a dirtbike and be happy. If it were actually available for me to buy here in the states.
@@dracer35 that T7 was made for a reason. Ditch all that fancy electronics, bring the price down. It would be a very good long long distance bike, although not as comfortable as it's big brother, and better than most off road with it's lighter weight. I think Yammy may have a popular bike here T7's lack of weight compared to larger adventure bikes make it more versatile
I can see most people agreeing with you...... but. I'm trying to buy a bike right now and these are the 2 I've been mulling over for the past 2 months. I'm leaning towards the T7 but I love Triumph and im a die hard fan of matte khaki green (even though they tainted this one with all that effing white). The Tiger has everything I could want on a motorcycle and looks great as always, plus they've bumped it up to be a true contender in the off road sector. If the tiger maxed out at $13-14k I probably wouldn't even be here having this conversation. Then you have the Tenere, which is a bonafide high displacement dirtbike tweaked to be comfortable on the road and for longer periods of time, and has the added benefit of being extremely easy and cost efficient to maintain. The Triumph, with it's more sophisticated styling, is more to my taste and something I'd use for more occasions... but the tenere just looks wicked. Plus Yamaha nailed the price point. If you're looking for fun bikes to actually adventure on (not just tour) these 2 are the top contenders... if you don't like orange.
172cm here... don't let the seat height of the Tenere discourage you, bike is slim, I faced no issues during my recent test ride. I was super happy with the road performance as well... even in the motorway. So yep excellent commuter.
A nice to the point comparison, thank you. And it’s about what I figured. Tell me, which bike is more comfortable to stand up on? I’m 6‘2“ and have yet to stand on a bike I can stand completely straight up on. I’m probably too tall for that, but I would like to mitigate the hunch lol
Thank you very much for this honest comparison. What is about a comparison of big (like BMW r 12(50) GS (Adventure) bikes with those bikes, like the 900 Tiger rally pro? I would be eager for your report. Thanks a lot in advance.
has anyone ridden a GT Pro offroad? would be keen to hear how much offroad (read: light offroad, gravel, green lanes) it can handle. I am a shorter rider and the rally pro is unfortunately too tall.
How come you never did a review on the BMW S1000XR... and if you do can you please not compare it only to the old model, and give more emphasis on what can get closer to this bike by real life approach.. Keep doing the great job you already done.. Cheers
They say the tenere is 205kg wet , every other review l've seen says 209kg, the tiger comes standard with crash bars, rear rack, alloy handguards and spotlights, the tenere does not, the tiger also has a 20L tank while the tenere only has 16L, so by the time you put all that gear on the tenere and the same amount of fuel in each the difference is about 5 or 6 kg , if you want to compare like for like and the tiger has 25 hp more, just sayin
Greg bristowe I doubt optional crash bars are accounted for when measuring wet weight. That being said I doubt the weight discrepancy between all bikes in this class will be a limiting factor for most users off-road.
I own and love both of these bikes. Why? They are both too good to let go. Yes they overlap but they are different enough that everytime I sit down and think about which one I need to sell I just can't. I could offer them both up for sale and the Yamaha would be gone tomorrow, the Tiger would take a few days longer just because it's more expensive (they are both pristine, under 5k miles!). If you had two beautiful wives/girlfriends that wanted to stay together with you, why wouldn't you? 🥰
I would like you to compare a Triumph 900 GT pro to a BMW GS 1250. I know there different category but people still cross shop for these two bikes. It would be interesting to know how the tiger being 100 lbs lighter and the bmw having about 40 more horsepower on real world use. How big is the bmw beside the tiger., etc. It would be awesome of a review. Thanks.
I have tested both with my wife as pillion. The T7 surprised me by the capability of its engine to deal easily two up ride, with uphill roads and stops, no problem. The new three cylinder is amazing, much more reactive at low rpm. As mentioned in the video, the T7 is more off road oriented and the Tiger more complete as an allrounder. As I would like the T7 to fit me better, I calculated that I would arrive to the same price, maybe even higher as the Tiger, where I don't have to add so many things. I don't really like all the electronics manufacturers put on bikes nowadays but I guess it is like that unfortunately.
A triple comparison for budget adventurists needing to cover wide open spaces (and with similar prices)... - KTM Adventure 390 - Honda CB500x - V-Strom 650 All three have their own issues often tied to rider height. Three stature riders to swap back & forth would make for an epic review for shoppers such as myself.
This is a nice review, and I understand the point. But the bikes are different. It is a bit like comparing the Kawasaki KLX 250 (very competent dual sport) and the Kawasaki Versys 300 - they do not do the same things, nor are they intended to.
This seems to be a trend. They are either recycling their own footage and framing it as an actual live head to head road test or they are using stock footage from the manufacturer. I don't know how you can compare bikes without being able to quickly switch between machines to measure them up. Disappointing.
We are getting to carried away with electronics today, if the control module packs it, and some do, you can bet it happens outside the warranty, they cost $1000 average, when the T7 is ABS, and the rest is up to your riding ability, which you need to gain yourself.
One thing that is never mentioned is that the Tiger has tubeless rims and the T7 does not, add that to the T7 and see how much the price starts to shrink
I hated the Tenere on the highway so bought the Tiger 900. The real question is how much comfort and power are you willing to give up on the highway before you even hit the dirt.
In any case, the Tiger 900 Rally pro. Weight or not I had previously a BMW GS but the Rally pro is a quantum leap in the direction of handiness with the best Design from the UK. the front of the technically certainly good Yamaha is but very accustomed and has something of KTM. Who likes it OK. But with us they say my cat likes mice I do not. Thanks for the test . Continue so
So to summarize: ~If you are married, like wearing ties and ride pavement to a cubicle for work, choose the Tiger. ~If you wear flannel shirts, like dirt roads and tattooed women, choose the Tenere 700. Either way, you get to ride something. Which one makes you feel more alive is up to you.
Only just bought the Tiger 1200 but think will be seriously tempted in a few years to go for the 900. The Ten is out.....Im a short arse (leg wise anyway)
For me, the complete lack of safety features on the Yamaha strikes it off my shopping list. I love the light weight and price, but I will happily pay the extra $7,000 to get cruise control, heated grips and seats, advanced ABS and traction control, and more street-ability. I want to do some light trail riding, but I don't have a vehicle to tow a bike, so I need to be able to ride to the trails on mostly freeway-speed roads.
Yamaha for reliability and mass of aftermarket parts. I'll take the most dirt focused bike. Anything will shuffle down tarmac ok just to get to the next fun bit!
I don't understand why people are still comparing T700 with bikes from different classes. The Tiger is great, but it is in a group with BMW 850, Honda AT and and maybe KTM 790. T700 is completely different bike with unique idea behind it, nothing like the other fancy expensive full of electronics bikes.
'styled like a droid out of a star wars film'. All Triumphs' look like that, as if they were made from looted parts; nothing seems to really fit. Nice vid though and as a comparison I would like to add the Moto guzzi V85 tt to these 2, especially how it holds up against the Ténéré
Don’t know what’s the price in UK but in Israel the tiger costs about 30% more so it can’t really compete with the tenere. If the price was lower I probably was ride the tiger
You are going alone to Mongolia maroco etc then t7. Europe and light off road then Tiger. To many electronics on Tiger for me. I prefer t7 idea but it's me. Good we have choice. Both great bikes just different approach.
@Jimmy Lundberg 900mm high for both seats, 74 vs 75 hp, travel front & rear 2x210 mm vs 2x250 mm, the 2 are dual-purpose... Yes the 690 is not the best choice for motorway use but my '15 Enduro-R is perfect for my daily 2 x 30 km at 120 km/h so those 2 deserve to be compared
