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@@tank19768 I can see the Gwyn's connection to Zeus and Nito's connection to Hades, but I'm not seeing any other parallels. Could you please elaborate?
@@Epicmonk117 I could see Gwyn and the other founders of the age of fire being a parallel to the Olympians usurping control from the Titans. Gwyndolin's association with moonlight, femininity, and archery also gives off Artemis vibes.
@@Epicmonk117 If we're talking general parallels between Dark Souls and other mythologies, there's obviously the creation myth, which has the gods overthrowing the dragons to bring about a new world order, similarly to the Greek gods overthrowing the titans. There's the world tree from Norse, as the world of Dark Souls lies atop an archtree as seen when descending through the Great Hollow to Ash Lake (notice how the lake extends all around despite being far below ground). The titanite slab is engraved with 100% legible and translatable runes. Anor Londo, being a city of gods on top of a mountain has parallels to Mount Olympus. There's the primordial serpents, which are obviously involved in a lot of mythologies. There's the balder knights, which while bearing no explicit parallels to Baldur, is a pretty obvious reference. I'm sure there are others, but these are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
L Guffee dragons are evil super rich people, who throughout history would reign terror on the poor. Just think of gangsters who made it as big as could be. After a few generations, power corrupts, they sit on gold. Hydra is their organisations, when you cut off the head, another arises. What is more likely, real dragons and mythical creatures, or it's symbolic of reality from people who couldn't write, but would draw images to pass on information. Propaganda is real.
An explaination for that would actually be; indo-europeans. Those guys had a HUGE worship of the dragon as both a god and a monster symbolizing war and violence. That's why, with some variations, a lot of the places they went to ended up having some kind of dragon in their mythos. That would actually explain the "defeated by a storm god". That part had to be in the original indo-european myth. That's of course excluding the Mesoamerican and autralian dragons, which were simply a serpent worship mixed with birds/rainbow. So, dragon-coincidence? I think (mostly) not!
@@Mecanthro That's why Susanoo slaying the serpent Yamato-no-Orochi is now believed to be Indo-European in origin as well, probably introduced to Japan from India with the arrival of Buddhism. It's amazing how that myth managed to find itself spread all the way from Scandinavia to Japan!
It's funny. In French, he says "Nous ne parlons pas la même langue" before doing the tongue thing (aka "We don't talk the same language") so there's a nuance that's lost in translation there. The more you know...
@@evagriusponticus4080 Fun fact: Godzilla (aka Cthulhu aka Kraken aka Leviathan aka Kagutsuchi) straight fulfil definition of a dragon. Quetzalcoatlus northropi, so actual big (33ft/10m) lizard what did fly, do not.
@Waffie The Dweeb A elemental deity. Word dragon originated from bible where it is used in Latin version of bible as title of Satan as the Serpent. But later it become used to describe broad category of wild elemental deities and overpowered monsters such as Lindworm or Wyvern. Here it is worth to mention that most famous and most stereotypical (gold hording) dragon is Fafnir who actually is a dwarf, who in Nordic mythologies were also a deities (earth elementals specifically). Being a deity is in fact most constant trait even in many cases overshadowing snake part. For example in Journey to the West white dragon Bai Longma spend way more time as a horse and later human then actual serpent. Anyway, even if most elemental deities are serpentine some also appear as birds (Phoenix, Suzaku, Rok, Geruda, Ziz, etc) or other types of beasts (like Behemot, Byakko, etc), also a "sacred steeds" (Unicorns, Griffins, Kirins, Burak, etc) and of course human. In fact it is quite possible that smith/knight defeating dragon in legend dating to Proto-Indo-Eurpeans as storm deity was a dragon himself.
Glaurung would like a word. Ancalagon would too, only he can’t talk. And letting Glauring talk to you is a really bad idea; just ask Turin, or Nienor. *Especially if you’re unwise enough to look into Glaurung’s eyes are the same time.*
Dragon Hunters stretched the definition of Dragon to its absolute breaking point. I mean, you had the Ramadur and the "Draft Dragon" (that pulled an airship), both ofwhich fit the european description, but also more outlandish stuff like Hector, who was a fuzzy dog-ferret thing with roughly human intelligence, the Vanikoro, which was just a huge Chameleon, and the Aartog which was a huge Spider Creature that could shapeshift into human form, and had a desire to live *as* a human as opposed to being a "Dragon" (It still got killed at the end after it tried to take the place of one of the Protagonists), among other species. I think in that world, "Dragon" seems to be a catch-all term for any monster that isn't more or less a normal animal, like sheep or pigs, though domesticated Dragons, like Hector, also existed which muddles the whole thing somewhat...
@@phoenixfire1074 It will be very interesting for you to then go and play the other games in this fantastic(al) series. I will give you some guidance. If you want a dragon as a villain, play a fire emblem game. Like, any. Even Corrin opposes one in their own game xD That kinda coincides with the apocalyptic thing. Rideable dragons also come into play fairly often. There are Unit-, classes that ride what FE calls Wyverns. Which are basically the animalistic and tamable kind. There are people in the FE-Universe who can transform into Dragons by the use of a special object called a Dragonstone. In FE-Lore they are called Manakete and technically Corrin is one of those. So the shifters and humanoids are covered as well as the Jewelry. Some FE-Stories are about a clash of Gods. Usually represented as Dragons. So we have the Divine Good as well as evil. And when it comes to the last one.... Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates allow you to establish romances between a variety of characters and units with a degree of freedom. Those pairing then can even have children. In Awakening one of those is a Manakete called Nowi. I will let you Google her yourself to figure out why OP was a bit... Uncomfortable about that 😅
Dragon hero: Corrin Dragon villian: like half the franchise's main villians Divine dragon: Alear Demonic dragon: Sombron Apocalyptic dragon: the fire dragons from fe7 and medius from fe11 Nuisance dragons: alot of them Human like dragon: tiki, Fae, myrrh, ninian and Nils Animalistic dragon: maneketes Dragon shifter: maneketes Dragon riding: wyvern riders Dragon banging: eliwood and ninian
@@toprak3479 'A people' is grammatically correct, as it refers to a single body in collective. Upon further thought, though, it's probably more historically accurate to say "some number of peoples", 'cause mesoamerica had as much diversity of people groups as anywhere else.
Well if you think about it, dragons are ultimate, powerhouse, magical, juggernauts. So it’d kinda make sense to throw them up against the more powerful gods in any given story. Said gods are usually storm gods in some capacity. ...I think... idk
"I'm punk, so I must rebel" "I'm asian, so I must like math" "I dye my hair crazy colors, so I must be looking for attention" *"I'm a dragon, so I must be defeated by a storm-god"*
Uncle Iroh: Ancient, powerful, breathes fire, central to the plot, central to the theme of the story. Even beyond the name Iroh fits the idea of a dragon completely. Love it. You even get a subversion of expectations as you’d expect a general of the bad guys to be a power-hungry maniac but he’s a kind, philosophising, old man who loves his Jasmine tea and Pai Sho. One of my favourite characters ever.
11:15 By Tolkien's definition, Toothless would absolutely be considered a dragon. 1) Mechanics: I don't know, is the dragon important to the plot of How to Train Your Dragon? 2) Ideas: Toothless helps to convey a lot of the themes of friendship, misunderstanding, and other things I'm too sleep-deprived to come up with.
He is definitely important, First of, in many ways he is kind of a mirror to Hiccup: -One of a kind and an outcast -far smarter than their peers -unwilling to submit to a hierarchy kept in place through force -missing a limb -leaders of their respective sides (by birth, but both had to prove themself and earn their positions by gaining the necessary respect of their peers) And only a dragon with the necessary intellect and understanding of what it means to be an outsider would have given Hiccup the chance he needed to discover the true nature of dragons and bring about the changes he did, And Hiccup and Toothless both recognised themself in the other - the story would likely not have worked out with any normal dragon
@@galning2768 I mean, the movies sprang from children's books, it can probably be excused for being a little on the nose lol tl;dr: it's about Toothless counting as a "real dragon" by _Tolkien's_ standards, which include more than just the physical shape - WE might see all the dragons as "real dragons", but Toothless might be the only one of them that Tolkien would ALSO consider a "real dragon" Okay, long explanation: there's a huge difference between movies and the books - in the books, dragons are more... kinda like livestock? A mix between pets, hunting dogs, and working-animals. But they also have a language, one that humans can speak, even if it's forbidden - the movie made them a dangerous force to be reckoned with, but also much more animalistic; smart animals, DAMN smart animals, but still animals If you went by "how to train your dragon", it sounds more like a guide for training a *pet* rather than a story about befriending an intelligent being that's on the opposite site of a generations-long war But even then, Toothless is still quite exceptional - with him and Hiccup it's more like we have two people that are learning to work with each other, while with the other dragons, it really feels a lot more like training an animal with food and commands and so-on I can see Toothless understanding a lot more from the human language than the other dragons - hell, he expresses exasperation, kind of sarcasm at times, and plays along in fake-arguments, he actively follows the human's conversations, etc.... and Hiccup talks to him like just another person a lot more than we see the other riders - they talk to their dragons a lot more like pets, or well-trained dogs, not expecting a reply or full understanding Hiccup also doesn't talk to other dragons like he does to Toothless, likely knowing that there is a pretty big gap in how well he will be understood So, like I said earlier, Toothless would count as "a REAL dragon" by Tolkien's standards, not because of what he physically is, but because he was necessary for the story itself- it wouldn't have worked with a Nadder or a Monstrous Nightmare, which WE also classify as dragons, but with Tolkien's view on the subject might not count as "real" dragons
Seeing as dragons can range from nigh-omniscient to mindless, can appear in a practically uncountable number of ways, and the consistent through-line of their portrayals is that they're incredibly powerful, I'm putting forth the thesis that dragons are Lovecraftian eldritch beings that decided to look more fashionable at the cost of not being able to melt someone's frontal lobe just by existing
I wonder if that "lightning god x dragon" is caused by how thunder is the loudest thing most pre-industrial people could have the chance to hear so it makes sense that the biggest baddest monster would be fighting the lightning
The idea of a thunder god fighting a dragon has roots in a pre-historic culture group known as the "proto-Indo Europeans" who were spread across (get this) Europe and India, bringing their stories and mythology with them. One of those myths featured a thunder god facing off against a sea serpent connected to the ocean. It spread across the continents and changed over the course of thousands of years, but the seeds of the story remained mostly constant. The story of Susanoo and Orochi is actually a relatively recent myth that likely originated from Buddhist (i.e. Indian) influence on Japan.
Less likely but what If someone say on those thunderstorms that sometimes come off of volcanic Eruptions. That could easily appear as fire and lightning doing battle. On second thought is that Typhons thing? That He was trapped under as mountain that’s actually a volcano in real life? I can’t remember
Pesant: "Excuse me, Lord Player Character Sir. Please. There are those mudcraps that occupy the river banks and keep me from catching fish to feed my hungry children. Please Sir, help me and slay those mudcraps. I'm just a simple pesant and wouldn't stand a chance agai..." *dragon appears in the village Pesant: "Excuse me Sir..." *Pesant draws iron dagger and charges the dragon: "Leeeroy Jeeenkiiiiins!!!"
It is. Gold is a very soft metal so it makes sense that dragons, who hoard gold to begin with, also use it for a bed. This gives them a comfy mattress and protects against thieves
“So as shown in this ancient poster of some sort, they worshipped some sort of goddess with a snakelike tai and deer like horns. We have yet to translate these ancient Japanese runes, but we think she has something to do with the copious depictions of the goddess with cat ears.”
Imagine them thinking the dragon maid dragon was a fertility goddess because of her… well y’know, and pondering the connect BEWD had with Ancient Egypt.
@@IdiotinGlans Aren't giant spiders in Japanese folklore also inclined to be prostitutes as well? Now I'm upset about European Dragons are not all whored up standing on the corner in the Red Light District... >.>'
In Korean folklore, there are 'near-dragon' entities called 'Imugi's. When a serpent lives for a hundred years, it becomes an imugi, which has the ability to bring storms and waves. An imugi must survive another thousand years and earn the 'Yeouiju' and ascend to become a dragon without any mortals watching it. Most Imugis are depicted as nice and helpful, but there are some 'evil' imugis in korean folklore. For example, an imugi lived for 1000 years and found the Yeouiju and when it was finally ascending to the sky, a mortal saw it ascending (which makes him turn back to an imugi), and it obviously became mad and killed the mortal. The 'evil turned' imugis become monsters called 'Gangcheori's and cause drought and fire (kinda similar to the flame breathing dragons) Imugis that succeed in ascending become dragons and become immortal.
Honestly I'm not sure that's entirely evil, if I had to wait 1000 years to become a dragon and then had start all over again last second just because some guy couldn't look the other way, I'd be extremely pissed off as well
I'm pretty sure that the whole Dragon taxonomy debate started because everyone bought that Dragonology book at their school's scholastic book fair and took it WAY too seriously
I remember trying to carefully tease open one of the sealed envelope elements so as not to leave any tears or damage the book when my mum came by with a letteropener like "oh I'll help with that" and just ripped the thing open. Almost two decades have passed and I'm still upset.
@@hogndog2339 on the spiders with wings: there are spiders that can fly in real life, using a process called ballooning. It's awesome. I had one float in front of my face while I was on a hike. It's more floating on the wind. And I also find this really cool and want to ramble about it.
@@epauletshark3793 What species do that? (My only experience with weird spiders is with social spiders, which raise their young instead of eating them.)
There is one example of dragon riding in folklore. The Romanian concept of the Scholomance was a black magic school taught by the devil. One of the graduates would be chosen to become Weathermaster, riding a dragon to control the weather. This idea was adapted into the Scholomance series by Naomi Novik, minus the devil and the dragon. R.I.P. Weather Dragon. Also storms and dragons...again.
In Asia too. In Taoism there is an entire category of deities that ride dragons, either on their backs or with chariots. Partly because Asian dragons are to animals what dosas are to humans: who are enlightened in the Tao and ascended. We even have 용마, which is a literal horse-dragon.
Norse: Dragon defeated by Storm god. Egyptian: Dragon defeated by Storm god. Japanese: Dragon defeated by Storm god. Mesopotamian: Dragon defeated by Storm god. Greek: Dragon defeated by Storm god. Coincidence, I THINK NOT!
I found the comprehensive compendium in the book bus when I was a kid, and I got so exited because I thought dragons were real and this was an actual record of different types of dragons. I cried so hard when I read the part about extinct dragons because I thought it meant that I’d never get to meet a real-live Krakatoan dragon and have it eat out of my hands like the book said they did and have a cool pet mini dragon. I was a stupid kid. But I absolutely loved that book, so thanks for reminding me that it existed.
now I'm remembering that one tumblr pose about a noble dragonborn knight being sent to slay a dragon and rescue the princess only to realize she is both the dragon she is meant to kill and the princess she was sent to save
“If you thought it was actually a curved, spiked club, it’s actually a fun sized dragon.” And just when you thought Aztec mythology couldn’t get more metal, we get god wielding dragons as personal weapons
As much as I love things being metal, it honestly gave me more cartooney/looney tune vibes xD Just imagine the other Aztec gods going around bending other beings into weapons and engaging in slapstick shenanigans together while their human followers are all the polar opposite engaging in tortorous blood-rites and shit.
but you never get to ride him as a dragon, he just goes into lame horse mode. Thats like saying Bumblebee is a giant anime mech because he is a giant robot and people drive him. there both true but not at the same time and thats key
I find the concept of having a tiny dragon as a weapon hilarious. Like when a character's in a pinch and pulls out a pocket dragon or maybe there's a standoff with a bunch of characters in a circle pointing tiny dragons at each other. XD
@@thearchitect2112 even better, discover a creature that exists and nobody knows, write a book were said creature is a dragon, then reveal the creature saying "real dragon found in nature"
I think anatomically Dragons are by way of their disparate nature a taxonomic Order, rather than family or a genus or one specific species. Because of this any creature that can reasonably be recognized as a dragon can be included in that order, because it shares some nebulous characteristics with all the rest of dragondom, even if not every dragon shares ANY of those characteristics. In fact I think the only characteristic I've never seen missing from dragons is that they have scales are very similar to reptiles.
@@yusheitslv100 Nah, because dragons DEFINITELY seem like they're in the clade Sauropsida, considering they're generally reptilian, and although some have wings, birds are Sauropsida too; the Reptilia class contains all sauropsids other than birds, so dragons fit right in there. As the original commentor said, they fit as an order, although I *guess* I can see making them a different class, considering that birds and reptiles are both sauropsids but are in different classes.
haha, have i got news for you...(go read the dragonriders of pern books and marvel at the dragons' "soft hides," and wonder (as i do) how these creatures can still be so clearly and obviously dragons despite missing the dragon's only consistent defining feature)
The closest thing to this that I can think of is the character Monkey D. Dragon, the leader of the Revolutionary Army in One Piece. He mostly just watches, but if he stops watching, well, let's just say there's a reason he's considered the most dangerous man in the world. He was introduced early on, but hasn't done much. His underlings have popped up from time to time helping the heroes, and they are always powerful, but he mostly stays away. He has helped train one of the main characters, he is the father of Monkey D. Luffy(the main character), and has declared war on the World Government, so he is important, but still, he watches. I thought that the sole reason for his name was that he could control wind, but this seems like it fits as well.
@Hans Hanzo In this instance, Kaiba wouldn't count, as I am talking about someone who lives up to the Greek meaning of Dragon, with that as his name. Seto Kaiba is closer to Iroh, in being an honorable Dragon, not someone named as such. Even still, he isn't a Dragon, he just likes the power they represent. Someone who fits more what you were talking about is (spoilers) Kaido, who can become a Dragon. He is ridiculously powerful, and people used to think that Dragon had the fruit that Kaido has. I don't really know where I am going with this.
I always love it when dragons are depicted as like actual animals, rather than just beings of power. It kinda makes them feel more grounded into the world and more interesting
I like it when there are both intelligent and animal-like dragons in the same world. It sets up so many potential storytelling opportunities about the world and its lore, on top of any story's revolving around a central set of characters who need to interact with dragons.
That’s how I depict all monsters. The Realm of Dragons is a project on my DevaintArt where I treat dragons like real creatures, give them scientific names, and try to classify them as best I can.
“My armor is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath...death!” -Smaug
"Storm Gods vs Dragons is more universal than you think." *Remembers how the storm deity of my DnD campaign wrestled his Eastern Asian inspired dragon servant for nearly five hundred years straight before defeating the dragon, resulting in the dragon's servitude* Oh my god, I had this idea for MONTHS, I guess it's more ingrained in fantasy than I thought.
@@scorfadontis8110 Haha, I use the Dawn War pantheon and The Alrisen from GenuineFantasyPress' Compendium of Forgotten Secrets: Awakening and twist them to fit my own world. It's not nearly as cool or original as I made it sound.
When I read that, I imagined the undertaker with Thor's hair grabbing the dragon by the back and doing a suplex with him sending thunder down to the earth on impact.
Playing D&D as teens a random farm was smashed up by a giant drake. My brother knew a drake was a dragon and hunted it down. A drake is also a male duck. What he caught up with was a half ton male duck. He dragged it back to town and hosted a feast for the entire village.
The How To Train Your Dragon book dragons are cool, because they have the tiny harmless dragons but also dragons the size of mountainsides that see past, present, and future. And dragons of all different species. Some hardly look like our idea of dragons except typically having an isocelene on their tail, wings, and four legs. They range from intelligence beyond humans to animal stupidity, and most of them speak Dragonese. Also, the exploration of their “selfish, malevolent behavior” is very interesting.
Exactly, and this is why I never liked the movies - I was a hardcore How to Train Your Dragon BOOK fan. The movies basically just stole the character names then wrote a completely different story that spit on everything that made the books good - that being the unique take and perspective on dragons as a species and their interactions with humans.
A fun reason I heard for dragons sleeping in mountains of gold [for d&d lore and such] is that since a dragon's weak spot is often their underbelly, sleeping in gold for thousands of years can encrust their stomach in gold, making elder dragons [who could sleep in gold for hundreds of thousands of years] effectively immortal, their only weakness now plated in golden armor.
i'd assume sleeping in lava would work better than gold. soft sheets of malleable, meltable gold vs layers upon layers of stone that's heat resistant, cooled down lava.
Pretty sure that's why Smaug was so tough in the original book. His underbelly was so encrusted with jewels and gold that he was basically invulnerable, except for a small weak patch on his left breast, where Bard shot him with the black arrow.
Dragons as cats: *Stares at viking leader, unblinking for a solid minute, his paw outstretched, watching the viking leader keep saying "Noooooo! Don't you do it!" as the Dragon mimes knocking the lower-ranked viking off a cliff*
My theory for the Storm god/Dragon thing: People witnessed large sea mammals and assumed they were sea serpents, then witnessed lightening strike the sea and assumed the sky gods hated those sea serpents
"Even a character who's not physically a dragon in any way can still get that kind of reputation by being nicknamed after a dragon." *Immediately pictures Iroh.* *Sees Iroh a moment later* "YES!" Also this made me really want to draw
Dragons are one of my favorite mythical beasts. Their colored scales, how they can spew breath of different elements, their claws and fangs. I would love to have one as a pet or friend.
"Dragon isn't a specific type of creature, it's a category, like fairy or demon" That's honestly the best way I've heard it put. I've definitely gotten into debates with people who insist that "wyverns aren't dragons" like there was ANY kind of universally agreed upon definition for the term. Edit: And here comes the "well actually" crowd. Seriously folks, it's such a pointless hill to die on.
Exactly. Plus there is a chance somewhere in history, there are stories that describe a dragon to be more wyvern like before the term wyvern became a official thing.
@@elvenlemonade OKAY SO in the early 1900s two kids (a teen and an 8 year old) cut out a bunch of fairytale pixies and superimposed them into photographs and told everyone they were real photos. Sir Arthur Doyle himself believed them (mans was really gullible), and discarded most accurate and reliable research in exchange for these. He wrote fairies into the sherlock Holmes books as fact and that mostly why fairies are seen as harmless and sweet instead of MINOR GODS.
So I’ve been reading the Wheel of Time lately. This video really makes me step back and look at the main character a bit differently. The Dragon Reborn as he’s called echoes all the tropes of a physical dragon without being a scaled winged scary lizard. Just the name of him can inspire that awe that dragons have had for millennia. Fascinating, thank you
Red: "The audience will know to expect something powerful and important, no matter what shape it is" Me: *stares at the Horse from Journey to the West*
The domestication of horses is one of the most important developments in human history. No joke. Don't underestimate just how big of a deal it was to have access to a horse, especially a good one, let alone a devine dragon in the shape of one. Look up what happened when the Comanches unlocked horse-tech.
Ah, now that I think back on it learning Uncle Iroh was called Dragon Of The West was foreshadowing his epic combat prowess and reinforcing that he was wise and a guiding force.
I think the reason people like trying to taxonomize dragons, and magical creatures in general, is because it's just an interesting thought experiment. What would these creatures be like if they actually existed? What would they look like? Where would they live? What would they eat? For me, at least, it just makes the fantasy feel so much more real.
"Let's be real, the ultimate fusion of human primal fears would probably have a lot more spiders involved" welp, guess i know what kinda monster im making for my party to fight in my 5e campaign
This jsut made me imagine my draginbkrne charater wi th an armor class of 17 at level one, overwhelming confidence, and almost no fears, seeing what ungodly creature you have created and for once in her life speaking quietly in her thick russian accent and saying "spider dragon, that is a spider dragon"
I like to think that dragons don't hoard just because they like shinies, more likely they've just always been employed to guard treasure... BUUUT I also like the idea that they actually gather a hoard like a bower bird's bower, something made to attract a mate or something, that could be an interesting spin on the old hoarding thing.
I always liked the Spyro games where the gems are implied to be the dragon's collective treasure that's shared among all of them and that's why they want Spyro to get them all back. Meanwhile it's actually a bear named Moneybags that forces Spyro to spend the gems like a currency until you "reclaim" it all at the end
Dragons: Oh, hi- Storm Gods, already aiming their lightning bolts: Looks like you're going to the Shadow Realm, Jimbo. King Ghidorah, both an apocalyptically huge dragon and a storm god: Oh yeah, it's all coming together.
I LOVE how you used an image from the original how to train your dragon series by Cressida Cowell for the cute/tiny dragons. That series was my childhood and still an absolute favorite ;)
Well if you believe in creationism these dragons are what we call the dinosaurs. There is no real evidence for evolution. Real scientists can't find non-theoretical evidence for it. Evolutionism brought no real good to the world.
@@zoro115-s6b seriously what good does it do to study evolution. Evolution is what inspired the extreme racism of the 19th and early 20th centuries. Hitler thought one race had to be superior to other now that sounds like evolution. Unstable families, abortion,. I'll believe evolution if a troop of chimpanzees unassisted by humans starts having court room trials with a gavel made out of a accacia branch. And yes I know the dragons this video is portraying isn't real, but, there are bettles able to shoot out fire like poison that burns. Furthermore richard Owens called the dinosaurs dragons.
alexander the paladin Here we have a person who doesn’t understand cell theory, genetics, or microbiology, thinking they’re smart enough to disprove it.
you see what appears to be a dragon approach you but there are a few things that are off, most noticeably its approaching you on the roof of the cave, and perhaps more noticeably the sound of its eight legs makes it quite clear that this is no normal dragon that is sprinting at your party
@@mranderson9553 Let the party roll perception. If they get a decent, but not super good roll, tell them there must be 2 or maybe even 4 dragons by the footsteps they hear.
You forgot one of the most well known dragons, the one from Revelation: "Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth."
I thought she was going to mention that one. Which reminds me, I've the word Dragon appeared a lot more in the original King James Version. It has since been replaced by other animals, namely the jackal. It's was likely referring to dinosaurs, as it is believed that many tales of dragons came from dinosaur bones.
My personal favorite tidbit about Satan in his seven headed serpent form is that japan was like "Yamata-no-orochi has eight heads lol" and the greeks were like "Hydra has nine heads lol"
This was probably meant to be a manifestation of the power of the Roman Empire, specifically the Imperial Cult that forced the worship of the Emperors into Jewish temples. Going by Red's guidelines in her video about it, would this make Satan the first kaiju?
I'm reminded of a line from King of the Monsters. "Slaying dragons is a western concept. In the east, they are sacred. They bring wisdom, strength, even redemption."
It's not all THAT western a concept. Marduk slew Tiama, Indra slew Vritra, and Susanoo slew Orochi, I will agree it pops up in Europe a lot more often.
@@Bob-lr2xp Youre onto something but not because youre attempting to making a commentary about China and the various other totalitarian states that had and have existed. The west is more about individualism and personal strength. Look at the power of this man who slayed a dragon. The underdog vs a big threat is a common theme in the west. The east has more respect and veneration of their elders. Look at this old and powerful being whom we can go to for guidance and understanding. We should respect their strength and let them guide us.
A long time ago, I ran a D&D 3.5 game where I presented the players with a dungeon containing celestial monstrous spiders. In order to reach the ancient artifact at the end of the dungeon, the players had to (a) realize that the spiders were not mindless killing machines, and (b) learn how to communicate with them.
“So you know lizards?” “Yeah, what about them” “What if we have them wings?” “Why would we-“ “And made them breath fire?” “Wha-“ “People will love it” “I don’t see why this will be more popular than the hundreds of other hybrids that have been created” 2000 years later ...
*dragons: complex creatures with thick, long history often associated with other monsters, divinity, and generally something to be feared and awed. often infinitely wiser and beyond humans and have multiple heads. definitely not the kind of creatures that you would think about trying to domesticate or woobify logically* *humans:* *humans:* *humans:* but what if we could sit on it and go weeee
You’d also think that about Lovecraftian Eldritch Abominations, but no matter how grotesque or terrifying or awful you make it, SOMEONE will crawl out of the gutter to tell you, personally, that they would totally sleep with it.
Trope Talk Idea: Downtime. Basically, in any story where the characters spend most of the time fighting/running/otherwise in danger, showing what they do when they're not fighting can help flesh out their character. Using ATLA as an example (because of course), Tales from Ba Sing Se and The Beach both did this well
"The power that comes with the utterance; the awe, the respect, the presence, the status - the dragon, embodiment of fear and reverence." This little quote is something I found that perfectly embodies what the concept of dragons ultimately boils down to. A living, universal symbol of power that everyone knows and respects for one reason or another. Just being called _a_ dragon in any sense of the word tends to garner respect or even fear, hence why the trope character of _the_ Dragon is often more easily recognized and feared even by viewers than the Big Bad might be, especially in cases where the Big Bad doesn't play a massive part in most of the story. In certain cases, the Dragon carrying more weight than the official Big Bad is a plot point in itself, hence the Dragon-in-Chief trope.
"nooo! you can just combine the most common predators of ancestral humans and primates into one animal as a representation of destruction and primal fear!!!" "haha fire lizard go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" Edit: this was particularly about european dragons, i think the point OSP made is true too. i think it makes sense that dragons as fearsome creatures in culture originated from our past predators, but they have become much more, and didn't start that way in every culture. Edit edit: also y'all know you can have interesting discusion about this stuff without being dicks right? as long as no views that directly harm people are being perpetrated no one is morally in the wrong.
@@squid5523 You sound like you didn't refute any of what they said. If I'm an asshole because I shout at an idiot, sure, I'm an asshole. Does that mean he's correct in being a idiot? No, it means both him and myself are wrong in some capacity.
“Let’s be real, the ultimate fusion of human primal fears would probably have a lot more spiders involved.” Be careful Red, don’t temp the fantasy authors. They will do it for no other reason than to spite you.
I honestly feel like there would be at least about equal parts large, many legged bug and spider but maybe that's just because bugs creep me out *way* more than spiders
The fire breathing trope may have originated with the leviathan who is described as literally breathing fire and making the ocean depths boil with it's breath.
"You can classify a dragon however you want" Case in point, just look at all the Elder Dragons in Monster Hunter. Sure you have traditional European-looking dragons, but other elder dragons include a giant flying mountain octopus, a colossal squid that wears bones for armor, and of course the Asiatic dragon who's rut cycle causes the plot of Monster Hunter Rise
There's also the Kirin which always makes me laugh because it's a goddamn unicorn (If I remember correctly, the reason Kirin are classified as elder dragons is because they are pretty rare in the MH univers)
@@w0ri_fgc also because they don't fit into any other category/have unexplained powers. Basically and Elder Dragon is usually classified as such if it has at least one of the following A: is a classic European dragon B: Has unexplainable potential apocalyptic powers C: doesn't fit into any other biological category
@@thecommenter6773 Nah. Feathers, fur, (fish) scales, dragons have it all. The fish scales are especially important when thinking of dragons as reptiles, since it's hard to distinguish them.
13:15. In case you didnt know, that is Toothless the dragon from How to Train Your Dragon. The original book, obviously. The movie just took a few names and the overly broad concept "vikings and dragons" and made a completely new world and story. Which turned out very well.
The cinematic treatment is far superior to the books. Movie Toothless is more personable and likeable and the storyline is much more engaging and poignant.
@@QueenBoadicea I feel like the books hold up better as a running series, though. Alvin in the books was such a good foil for Hiccup that it seems as if they had to backpedal and make a replacement for him after they spent the name making a dark mirror of stoic. Between Hiccup's rise to being a hero, slowly gathering friends, allies, and tools while honing his abilities to a sharp point only half on purpose, the mirrored fall of Alvin the treacherous into being a borderline Darth Vader of a bad guy, having lost massive portions of his body and wearing a suit of armor full-time as well as becoming more powerful in tandem with Hiccup, the repeating echoes of the prior Hiccups and their dragons and the tragedies embedded within those tales that continued to affect the world, and especially the last few books' redemption stories and final falls set against an ending so resonant that they put it in the third movie even when it no longer made sense given the themes of that series, the books kind of give a stronger unified showing than the movie and tv series line. Also, I can't help but think Cressida Cowell has a writing style not wholly dissimilar from the late great Terry Pratchett. Which is enough of a recommendation to check the series out on all on itself.
