Trouble Brewing on Expert Mode - We Are Loony 

While that would be funny, he’d probably work it out way too quickly

Those three really all played phenomenally this game.

jams is a girl ?

@@ass-master-deluxe unsure what your point is?

@@supay_inca jams girl?

The Atheist, obviously. Any Demon as always. Who else?

I was sadly dumb enough to scroll down and read this comment, but thankfully only spoiled about 30 minutes of gameplay. Firstly remember that we know perfect info so you're being a bit overly judgmental of how people are playing with limited info and 8 people getting the same 3 bluffs. Evil were playing a pretty decent game considering they didn't double up like mad to make it obviously Legion, and the Lunatic had all the info on who's good or not and sat next to an Empath. Even Nicky's silly Atheist play was messing with people. This ending shows quite well how dangerous it is to vote as a good player in a Legion game. If you sow doubt into just ONE player, they'll pounce. If Malashaan went for Atheist win, the exact same thing would've happened.

@@TheFinalChapters Oh, hi again. You're wrong yet again, sadly. It's common for Legion to double up because, though the ST doesn't *have* to, they generally get the same 3 bluffs to balance things out. Legion has more room to bluff by just guessing blindly because there's less good roles out there, but reality is that some of them inevitably double up--especially if they're not heavily experienced players. I think I've only seen a handful of games where Legion didn't double up claims (and I've seen non-Legion games where good double up and think it's Legion because of it). If I were wrong about this, why do people mention it regularly when they play Legion scripts? This is another case of you thinking what the ideal play is and not realizing the actual human players involved and how they behave. Just like last time, you're ignoring the fact you have perfect info. How does the good team know evil players are being executed or that good players aren't?

@@TheFinalChapters You did. You said it's not a good metric and sells Atheist. You also suggested we can know people's alignment when there's no set way for evil to play. They can be outed evil, they can pretend to be a shy good player that doesn't want to vote, they can "confirm" other Legion, they can do whatever they want. Good can also act evil in literally any game of BotC.

​@@TheFinalChapters "Instead you should be looking at who was getting executed... and it wasn't the good players." Your words. Who knows that it wasn't good players? Us, because we have perfect info. The players certainly didn't know that. So why is your argument even slightly relevant? Also not sure what any of this has to do with my original comment. I simply said it was impressive Legion wasn't doubling up and they almost got good team with an Atheist play, but the key point was that all it takes is a single person to turn on another good and it's game over. How is anything you're saying relevant?

@@TheFinalChapters Why is what the players know relevant? LMAO. I don't know, maybe because it's a game between players and a huge part of the game is the players' experience? You've got to be kidding me, man. You're so wrapped up in ranting about meta and best plays, you can't even see why it's such a silly thing to do. Who cares how the game went from the perspective of us, the spectators? They're not playing for our entertainment. Our view of the entire game isn't relevant to the player experience. It'd be like watching someone play a FPS game but you see the entire battlefield and map and you judge them for not seeing an enemy coming to flank them. I don't know what weird narcissistic world you live in, but man do you need some perspective.

Upon watching several more videos, I now think that the zero result is only given if the required number of votes are reached with only Legion votes. If true that makes the mechanic much less scary for the evil team but they would still have to watch out. Open to confirmation either way from those who know.

@@ThisisnotTwitter Different story tellers run it differently. if the vote is 3 Legion 0 good, and 3 is the limit some would say "Three may be enough", some would say "0 is not enough", some would say "3 is enough" and then at the close of day "With three votes Skilz is on the block but the execution fails go to sleep". (My personal preference is the "may be enough" being used whenever legion is on the script). In the case here, 3 was not enough either way so there is no benefit in revealing legion for a vote that can not cause an execution.

@@mrmalaki thanks! That makes sense that it must reach the minimum vote number before being revealed. Saying maybe would make it clear it is Legion just the same as saying zero though? How does the maybe option work differently to saying zero votes is not enough? The execution failing is a good option as it leaves it open to being other things rather than certainly being "these guys are Legion, nom them all now."

@@ThisisnotTwitter if you use "may be enough" on any nomination where legion is on the script (whether it is in play or not) it removes that players mindset of "they said maybe its definitely legion". Especially if you keep using it after something has proven that it's a different demon type. The "execution has failed" actually proves the Legion. In other circumstances STs should say "Player_Name is executed but does not die". However the length of time between Nom, votes and announcement gives evil time to try and get someone else on the block, or it might give good players time to forget which players actually voted. I don't think that there is a perfect way of running legion, by final 5 most players will know its legion. Similar to how it is often clear when it is Lil Monsta. The game solve isn't just from working out the demon type in those games (as it can be in a No Dashii/Pukka/Fang Gu game) - but rather in finding and confirming the good players.

@@mrmalaki Thanks very much, that all makes sense and I see the differences between each method.

Hey, thanks for the question. The Storyteller can only be nominated and voted on if the Atheist is on the script. If the Atheist is not in play when the Storyteller is nominated an executed, then the Evil Team instantly wins. This is why good players don't nominate and execute the Storyteller on day one. If you're on the good team and someone else is claiming to be the Atheist, you know that either (a) they are the Atheist and telling the truth or (b) they are an evil player who knows an Atheist is not in play, and are trying to win by tricking you into executing the Storyteller. - Evin

@@BloodontheClocktower thanks for the answer, does it explain the loss condition in the almanac or somewhere else since it sounds like nom the st would lose in any script where you can only win if the atheist is in play

Yep, it's all taken care of in the almanac.

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