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The beginning made me think it could be fun to do a one off game where the players don't know their roles. Maybe their alignment, or maybe evil would know their roles, it would need experimentation. But anyway, everyone would basically be amne, but would know the pool of options they could be. Some roles would definitely be easier to figure out then others.
Fearmonger is just too easily to mechanically nullify; never execute anyone who doesn't vote for themselves until final 3, and then it is just a normal game plus the added benefit of distrusting anyone remaining who was previously sus and refused to self-nom. So a minor bluff potential at the cost of tedious mechanical play with nothing else to make it a fun addition worthy if the added tedium. If all evil refuse to self nom, final 3 is just final 4 etc. Just not a fun minion.
"Fearmonger is just too easily to mechanically nullify; never execute anyone who doesn't vote for themselves until final 3." Me and my two evil buddies are gonna not vote for ourselves. It'll be a shame that we'll be mechanically nullified, but I think automatically winning the game will console us a bit. - Ben
2 evil win scenarios (but hindsight is a bitch) after the hatter. 1. Have the ojo claim goblin, despite the preacher claim, town back off after the preacher says thet aren't real, which sends it into the real goblin in a 50/50. 2. Reverse the goblin and Ojo picks, as it was 'obvious' the demon would run from Ben's scarlet woman pick, and double bluff town, and see if the preacher would back down.
Something very similar happened to me in a game the other day. I was Scapegoat and the FIRST person I talked to told me who the demon and other minion was. Went to the other minion and learned they were the scarlet. The Imp star passed so we went to kill the final one and the kill BOUNCED ONTO ME. Turns out he just pulled the exact demon and exact minion out of his ass, his neighbor just happened to be the poisoner instead of him.
I honestly think Ben played it well, if he decided to hold back it wouldn't have been a natural progression, because he would be, would I have had that information, or when do I tell them I knew all long. Get the win, and then re-rack.
Commenting at the moment an alchemist is informed of a role change to ask about a hypothetical. Sorry if it's covered later in the video. If the Fang Gu is killed, then the Philo Alch SW is informed they have become the Fang Gu, then is the Philo-drunk Alch SW no longer Philo-Drunk because the Philo is no longer the Philo? At which point, if the PASWFG offs themselves in the night for a win, the ASW would also then become FG. So in that world, I think town would wake up to a single dead player, as if nothing out of the ordinary had happened, except for the fact there are two incredibly loud players shouting about being a good demon.
So what’s the idea behind disallowing juggling and gossiping at the same time? Just seems like it fucks either the gossip or the juggler. Example, the whole town goes gossip so the juggler can’t hide his juggles so they either can’t use their ability or have to risk the evil team knowing exactly who they are, but I’m distinctly aware I could be missing some logic behind it
Sorry, but I'm not sure what you're asking here. Who is disallowing juggling and gossiping? If you're referring to something specific in this game, would you mind timestamping it, as it's been a while since I played it. - Ben
So if they did kill the hatter, one could have gone goblin, one SW, and one demon. At that point it becomes a who’s lying about the goblin/ demon, who’s the goblin, and the SW for a safety net.
@@Ellie-rx3jt it was floated to vote the hatter for execution day one. It still wouldn’t have changed anything like they said, those three would still be evil, but it would make it a 3 person shell game. Could have hit goblin day two, games over anyway. Or it could have gone on a third day at most. The fortune teller could have helped figured out the demon, but overall it could have made it a little more of a gamble than it was, but still didn’t change a re rack was needed.
I don't get why Jojo didn't vote for Kat when they saw Malaki voted and thus they couldn't be out-voted. I get if Duke hadn't caught on if Jojo hadn't told him about the switch, but Jojo could have just said "Duke vote" and won the game. People are too hard on Kat for the leech host bluff, when they had the votes. As for the other thing... I love a good spreadsheet, but it felt more like someone opened a twitch stream with that "what if it were two mez turns" idea out of no where. Or at least got the idea suggested in a dm or something. I just don't believe anyone could come up with something so ridiculous to explain the information the good team had available. There were so many more likely things that could have kept the window ping off. It's unfortunate that this wasn't an in-person game, because if that was a legit solve, there is just no way to prove when the whole thing was being streamed live. I wouldn't even buy Edd coming up with that world at the end out of no-where. I would buy him going oh shit it must have been two mez turns before Ben explained it, but not before hearing "evil won" and working backwards. If anything, it is a compliment to the player if they genuinely solved it, that it was so clever as to be literally unbelievable, and it only matters that they know whether or not they did.
I’m sorry but ST should not have made Samantha Harpy mad after plague doctors death.. doesn’t follow rules and is inconsistent with how both Be on and others have played the character before.. especially at a pivotal point in game..
Huh. If a cannibal inherits a flowergirl's abilities, does the inherited "demon and minions don't know who each other are" trump the "if you die, they learn each other that night" of the original flowergirl?
I'm confused by the question. Are you perhaps mixing up the Flowergirl with the Poppy Grower? If so, the Poppy Grower's "demon and minions don't know who each other are" is something that happens during the game's setup phase. It has no relevance after that point. The only part of the ability that is relevant after that point is the "if you die, they learn each other that night" part. So not only would they learn of each other, but if the Cannibal then died, the ST would be obliged to show them each other a second time! - Ben
And this is why people on the evil team are super cagey when it comes to people that might be on their team, but next to impossible to confirm. Ever wondered why people might not trust a mesephelis turned player? Because evil does not get actual confirmation on who said the word first.
"It's true, I am seven evil players" is the BEST answer ever. I love it. Made me laugh. Though, like, this game had a few good moments. Like Milk coming out of his chat with Malakai saying "I just claimed three different roles to Malakai and I think he believes I am all of them, so that went great." Or announcing Borts death to have Borts head come sideways into the frame. It's great. Also absolutely love the joy from Ben when the Banshee actually was killed. I just love it. AND the absolute joy ana ctually working Banshee brings out in everyone around a circle, all the time. A dead Banshee just has to nominate, if only because they can. And put up two hands at least once to show that they can, too. Or, like, switch between one and two hands constantly. Also, if Beardy had voted in the end there.... wooow. Sucks. But, great game.
Such a cursed game! In hindsight, as soon as Ben picked JC I should have screwed token integrity and made him apprentice baron...but i wasn't expecting him to hook JC quite so cleanly
To the people implying Ben did something wrong here: nah, I did something wrong. Sometimes you get played. Ben played me. It happens. Apologies to my evil team!
Communication within the Evil team is too important, you did the right thing. If they snipe the Demon night one, sure, gg, but on average it pays off to trust. Unless the meta radically changes and all travellers always try to do this -- but that would imo be bad for them...
Would choosing the Kazali as the new demon have allowed the new Kazali to choose two new minions, making one of them the Scarlet Woman and thus continuing the game?
I did this successfully my first two times being a good traveller (though in one case, I didn't get the demon on my first conversation... wasn't until 2nd or 3rd.)
@@happenable unfortunately I think this was back in February so the VOD is most likely lost to time. I would have loved a double feature like those two godfather/snake charmer games a few months ago, though!
@@SharienGaming as I recall, I just believed Ben unquestioningly because I didn't think he'd lie about it to me twice in a row after he'd felt a bit icky about it the first time, and if I'm the ST in that position and the chance to make Ben and me a team after that last game exists, I'd run with it :D .
