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Agreed. Even the most flamboyant moves are often inside striking range, and there's a 10% practicality sense. Other films today just hammer, or make wide swings that wouldn't land or reach a target (The Last Jedi + Rise of SKywalker + Game of Thrones season 5-8)
Nothing like the C- grade stuff from today. In this film the actors were consistent in range to hit somebody with their props, not flailing too far out of range to even be a threat (cough* Last Jedi cough*cough* &--cough* Rise of Sky--cough*Skywa--) man, I'm still allergic to that film.
I slightly disagree, as did some people in antiquity. It's not explicitly stated that they were lovers, but they most certainly weren't cousins. It could have been a very close platonic (haha) friendship. Either way, the decision to make Patroclus the cousin was obviously made to avoid gay connotations. I would've much preferred it if they had kept the original ambiguity.
@@bsseb2914 There's enough gay erasure and cringey whitewashing in media already. When Patroclus died, Achilles falls into inconsolable mourning, flies into a grief-stricken rage, kills fuckin' everybody, and makes a pact with Patroclus' ghost that their bones will be intertwined together in burial. Only a coward could look at that relationship, and go "Yep, for a modern retelling there's nothing romantic to read there! Platonic! Best buddies! Close chums! Just like Sappho! Gal-Pals all around!" We should leave the pearl-clutching back with the powdered wigs. Achilles and Patroclus are gay as hell. Besides, Plato agrees :)
You can believe sick lies all you want in order to feel good about your sickness your decadent barbarian. They were true men brother bound by the sacred institution of friendship. Keep those great men out of your sick mouth.
Fantastic scene by amazing actors playing roles for the greatest scenario ever. Iliad was not just a poem about a battle, it is full with symbolic encrypted messages and meanings about life and philosophy. It's extremely difficult to decrypt it because you have to know ancient Greek and spend a lot of time.
They still could make the movie of the Odyssey with Sean Bean. The Trojan war lasted years. And it’s been years since the movie Troy was made. So Sean Bean would be about the right age to make the movie of The Odyssey and King Odysseus’s voyage home and his fight with the suitors and later life.
True. Bit of an insult to Agamemnon as a Homeric character, though. The guy was prideful, an overprotective brother to his hot-headed sibling Menelaus, a reasonable dude 80% of the time whom sacrificed and lost a lot for the sake of the war (his daughter, men, and later got murdered upon returning home), and in the Iliad Agamemnon did fight on the front lines. Even Athena in a passage of Homer's work intervened to stop Agamemnon and Achilles from drawing weapons against each other out of worry they would kill one another.....think about that a second.
True. THeir relationship also depends on the writer or the tale told. In the Classical period, other playwrights wrote and had different "episodes" of the Trojan War done; something like modern fanfiction today. Each individual introduced something slightly new. In Homer's works (The Iliad & the Odyssey), Achilles and Patroclus are extremely close, maybe cousins (depending on the transcriber for English, Italian, French ,etc.). They were lovers in Aeschylus' tragedy about the Trojan War, but Hesiod casted them as cousins (Patroclus' father Menoetius as a brother of Peleus, the father of Achilles). And all of these variations span different works written between 100, 200, or 400 years apart. TROY decided to cast them as cousin, and give spotlight to Achilles & Briseis; plus Brad Pitt's reaction to learning his cousin, likely his charge or adopted son, had died is no less intense.
You can believe sick lies all you want in order to feel good about your sickness your decadent barbarian. They were true men brother bound by the sacred institution of friendship. Keep those great men out of your sick mouth.
Yeah. They ruin several of the later climatic scenes by overdoing the music, too. The biggest one is the Achilles vs Hector duel. In the theatrical release they fight to this great, minimalist drum track. In the directors cut they replace it with this overblown orchestral piece which is infinitely worse.
Fun Fact: Seans Bean's character was orginally supposed to die in the first second of his first scene by Achilles's spear but Brad Pitt shot missed and hit the tree instead and so the director just rolled with it.
That is bullshit and false (anyone can easily find the original screenplay of this movie), but a good meme of Sean Bean's characters dying in their movies and TV shows. But why are there people that are addicted to lying? Why tell a pointless lie?
knowing the mythology, it could never happen, since Ulysses had the mission of convincing Achilles to participate in the Battle and, once he was dead, there would be no Trojan War without the decisive participation of Achilles and especially of Ulysses himself. Just a detail, did you notice Achilles' robes? Yes they are female, it was his mother's strategy, the goddess Thetis, that Achilles remained hidden on the island of Cyros, disguised as a muse, adopting the name of Pyrrha (redhead), so that he would not be enlisted in the war. Which is why ulysses goes after him. big hug
Those clothes look nice 😏. It is nice to see that there was more freedom in designing and using certain styles of clothing in movies. And to think they don't do stuff like that anymore.
"Buff man in a cropped tank top has tense exchange of quips with his 'cousin' while working out." I know they had to shuffle things a bit for the time but that whole exchange isn't so much coded as it is subtitled.
Easy to see why Troy's cousin dies with the fight against Hector. Focus too much on style than effectiveness of his strikes and little on defense and counter strikes hence why Troy kept picking him off.
I remember, after Achilles threw the spear, Odysseus said to Achilles"I hope you did not miss your shot". Achilles replied "I never missed." Why is this scene not in this video???
Thanks??? People get angry because they portray Achilles as black but are happy when they make him straight. It seems historical accuracy only works in one way.
From a commercial standpoint it might be right, but it is mile away from the original source material in terms of the relation of Patroklos and Achilleus. The film was shot in 2004, most parts of the society had a more than questionable view on homosexuality. So in order to make money with the ovie zhey chose to put Pitt in it and cross out or rewrite the ,,problematic parts". In terms of the original telling it is safe to asume that Achilleus and Patroklos were lovers (Platon, Martian and others for reference). If you look at it from a financial perspective: it was made very well. If you look at it from a historical perspective: it is most-likely garbage.
Wooden swords a long used technique. Wooden swords are dangerous and can kill. Most famous duel in history was wood against metal. Metal swords feel heavier and move faster. Nothing like fighting with metal long swords and feeling the striking power as sparks fly...except maybe horse back archery...and other thangs. I imagine a sharp edge makes a difference too.
@@haitolawrence5986 bruh even Plato himself said they were lovers. But in all honesty it's fiction and the story has been retold/reimaged countless times. Also remember the original story was an oral tradition before it was ever read so it kept changing depending on who told the story. Maybe they were lovers maybe they weren't depends on the adaptation.
To be fair, in antiquity, those two things need not be mutually exclusive. Marrying your cousin was by no means taboo or an unfrequent occurrence. Different times, different norms
it was the norm back then to be casual about it , they even considered being just a heterosexual man is strange and weird, just like these days so i think it's not different at all it's just history repeating itself, i was just making the gesture movie wise since it was made way before the Rainbow era and there was no way to introduce an openly gay protagonist in a movie.
Everyone saying they were lovers. NO. This was never in Homers Iliad (written ca 1000 BC). However, it became a sexual fantasy of the Athenians around 400 BC, hence why Plato includes references to a homosexual relationship between them in “the Republic”. That’s SIX centuries after, in a very sexually liberal Athens. Not that it’s so important, but just saying…
Watching this scene again now make me feel very awkward... 2 handsome men wearing dresses touching swords with each other in a very private/ quiet/ romantic scenery... I feel... Odd.
@@khusizwane7590 Yes, but hear me out: from the descriptions of Achilleus in the Iliad you get the impression that he can and will get furious over certain things, especially shwon in his descision to stop fighting for the Archaeans. So I would say that Achilleus is the one initiating the fun part in the night and ,,tries" to be the top, but surrenders to Patroklos. Fight me.
You must master the basics of fighting first. This is often repetitive actions. Block, thrust, block, thrust. Boring, but effective. However, there are unique situations where you may want to block, thrust, slash. Or, in this case, switch sword hands.
