oh man achilles could possibly take on anyone in game of thrones but yeah if achilles was in that place and time jaime and his guards would not last a minute against the lion of Greece
@@nighthasfallen456 Golden hair, green eyes, master swordsman and ridiculously good looking. I would say Achilles is more like Jaime Lannister rather than Aegon I.
@@fawadgul4945 he really didn't. Hector was cautious because he thought he was fighting Achilles so he didn't exploit any early openings, likely thinking they were traps. Eventually he grew confident enough to be more aggressive and as a result Patroclus died. The average Trojan soldier Patroclus likely could've handled with his eyes closed, but Hector was a different type of monster.
This was an easy task for Odysseus. He knew about Achilles thirst for eternal glory. Especially his last words in this scene are exactly what Achilles cant refuse.
Sean Bean was perfect as Odysseus. He has the cunning, the easy charm, the silver tongue and the twinkle in his eye to play the character. Wish they did a sequel with him on his return home.
kungfuman82 And I would dress up like Patroclus. What do you say? Can we begin our training now before someone dress up like Odysseus shows up too? ✌️😀😃😄
I love how this shows just how far beyond Achilles is with his skills, he's teaching someone to fight just like him, that gets mistaken for moving like him later in the film, yet even while he's half concentrating on a conversation he's still completely in control of the fight and getting finishing strikes too.
Every single manipulation attempted by Odysseus: 1:49...2:07...2:22...2:28...2:40...2:48 Then Patroclus talks about Ajax...2:59 and Odysseus sees Achilles's reaction...3:07... Odysseus's eyes shift as he sees Achilles didn't like the comparison with Ajax 3:09. ...3:12. Patroclus mentions Hector 3:21 and Odysseus uses it. 3:32...3:50...3:55
Odysseus playing mind games with Achilles & Achilles knows it. Yet Achilles still can't help but be convinced with king Odysseus bedding that he joins him to fight in Troy.
He knows Achilles very well and when he said at the very end that this war will never be forgotten, nor will the warriors who fought in it, he knew that was all he needed to say to secure Achilles and his men.
Im sorry but Patroclus is my favorite in the whole movie. He is just so adorable and I just love his innocent enthusiasm and he's so cute and I just wanna hug him!!!!!!!
Patroclus keeps trying to hit Achilles even while Achilles’ attention is somewhat divided by the chatter he still doesn’t get hit. If Achilles didn’t have that one weakness no one can defeat him.
Even though the movie tries to portray the whole universe as being "more realistic" and without any fantasy elements, yeah, Achilles is pretty much invulnerable until shot on the heel. Still, Hector managed to almost cut him in the chest, so that was a good one for him.
I dont think Achilles has the invulnerability like in Illiad, when he fought Boagrius he used the shield to block the spear, and later dodged the second one. If he was invulnerable, he wouldn’t bothet doing all that
@@nhataile4275 he had a conversation with the boy in his first scene who asked him if he's immortal he sarcastically answered him that would he even be bothering with a shield if he is, although he is immortal, he chose not to show it to the world, that's how I understood the character in the movie to make it realistic and less supernatural
@@thepope8240 you know how he is unscratched is because no one ever be able to hit him right? He used shield block and dodge all the time, and not to mention his mother is a normal human, cuz Olympian is deathless and never getting old.
Sick footwork and choreography in this movie if nothing else. One of the few modern movies that really hit the nail on the head. Rob Roy also comes to mind. I miss the good old days of Basil Rathbone and genuine stunt work from the actors. It gave the action so much more weight and intensity. Most sword fights in movies these days don't convince you of the supposed "skill" of the characters. This movie really succeeded. Achilles-Hector one of the best sword/spear/shield fights ever.
In the Behind The Scenes portion of the old DVD I had of this, the director stated, "In the Iliad, it was said that 'Achilles fought in a most godlike fashion'. Well, that's terribly easy to write. How do I portray that properly on screen?'." He then went to explain that, like most of Troy, they mostly pushed for a far more realistic portrayal of things while still trying to stay true to the general heart of Homer's story. To that extend, they largely tried to imitate the most realistic form of fighting that Trojans and Greeks used, with aid from historians and medieval weapons enthusiasts. But for Brad Pitt's portrayal of Achilles', to give him a more "god like" fighting style, they made a very flashy, unrealistic, visually appealing "hollywood" style of fighting, with less focus on realism and far more focus on what looked good and effortless. This can be readily seen here, not just in the way that Achilles' seems to effortlessly outperform the young-and-learning Patroclus but in the dramatic poses, movements, whirls-and-twirls that most stick and sword fighting enthuisiasts would criticize. They tried as best they could to make it look like Achilles' had abnormal, unrealistic fighting skill. So if any might criticize that Achilles' has a most unrealistic fighting style that would never work...that was done on purpose. The idea is to portray that Achilles' is that 1 in a million that can do things other cannot and fighting in a way most could never successfully do. That he fights in a "godlike" fashion.
@Lhein33 well said. and there´s another danger: ppl watching a movie like "Troy" and then thinking they know the Iliad. they don´t: not only are the fates of some major characters different in the movie than in the Iliad (or in other classic literary writings), but the movie fails to transmit the deeper meaning behind many events & incidents. but that´s how it is nowadays: ppl watching a movie think they know the classic writings.
Still, its good that they made a decent effort to film part of it. This movie will cause many people to hear of the Iliad and some will read it who otherwise wouldn't know it existed.
No, it wasn't. It was awesome...the only thing was that a group of illiad fools got mad that the movie portrayed a realistic view of Troy, and not all the original story filled with gods interfering with mortals.
The song/track used in this extended scene was "stolen"/borrowed/ripped off "The count of Monte Cristo (2002). If you search for the training scene from that movie it is the same exact track.
These people lived thousands of years ago, if at all, it's a bit late to be arguing about their decisions. In any case, the thing to remember when reading mythology is that all the characters are created as symbols for the people who are listening, offering role models to emulate, and villains to avoid acting like. If you treat them superficially as though they were real people (with flaws like the rest of us) you're missing the point of the story.
As witty & cunning Odysseus is, Achilles is able to reason with him very well. But of course Odysseus' reasoning & smarts are of different level that is why he was able to convince Achilles to fight in Troy. Odysseus simply knows how to inflate Achilles' pride by throwing praises at him & yet challenging him that there's no better way to prove that he is the greatest warrior alive than to fight Hector & the Trojans. Such trick by Odysseus was enough to convince Achilles to fight the biggest battle the world would ever known.
Wish they'd kept Achilles disguising himself as a woman to avoid the war, would have loved to see Odysseus tricking him into revealing himself Also its a shame that Achilles and Patroclus went from incredible close friends, or lovers depending on your reading, to cousins - if you're going to make them family why not at least be brothers? Cousin seems a bit random
And Patroclus was older and as far as I remember was Achilles mentor before becoming his Therapon. This scene was a total role reversal. I wished they went for the lover narrative between the two. It's still a popular ship since Plato 😂.
It's not random. Patroclus father is Menoetius and most versions of the myth have Menoetius as brother of Peleus, Achilles father. So they were indeed cousins.
@@cantbetamed2210Plato recanted that opinion and later said homosexuality was abhorrent. In any case it was merely an opinion of one man, that nobody in his era agreed with.
1:18 thank God they took the time to film this shot of someone taking the spear out of the tree to please the test audience member who went "movie sucked cuz why didn't anyone take the spear out of the tree ZERO.STARS"
kinda portrayed achilles as a soft spoken warrior, whereas in mythology, he was always angered by his killings, especially at not killing hector until the fall of troy.
Are the Greeks tired of fighting each other? For now
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Edinburgh lad : Pitt was mis-cast in this movie. They should have chosen an actor who had the physical build and personality to play the part properly. Pitt was a joke playing the part of Achilles in my opinion.
@Lhein33 well thank you for clearing it up.. so who is the author of the Iliad? Homer right? and if it was him is it true that when he wrote it (that and the Odyssey), it was already centuries old?
Considering how they had MENELAUS of all people die in this, I was surprised the guy played by Sean Bean didn't kick the bucket too. XD Good for you, Odysseus.
Sean Bean:I want to die as i always do. Director:No, this time you will live through the whole thing. Sean Bean:Never, my destiny is to always die in movies! Director:I said no, it is crucial that you stay alive! Sean:Fine, but then everyone else besides the foolish boy dies! Director:What, you can’t be serious! Sean:This is the only way otherwise the deal is off. Director:Aargh, fine!!!
I wish they make a new movie about the Odyssey with Sean Bean playing the leading part, he´s such an amazing Odysseus. And maybe Brian Cox, Brad Pitt & Eric Bana could play again Agamemnon, Achilles & Hector: in Homer´s Odyssey, Odysseus meets them again in Hades, the Greek afterworld.
Maybe not as "acceptable today" but when you consider the region and humidity maybe wouldn't be so strange, even in present Day the attire in tropical climates is quite different whether because more practical or style. Obviously not proper attire to go to war.
In actual Greek mythology, Patroclus was Achilles's lover. But making them cousins is better than the entire "They were just friends" 19th century historians tried claiming.
In the myth Achilles was dressed like a girl as cover because her mother had a really bad feeling about the war (that's also why she dropped him in the styx) eventually Odysseus tricked him but I wanted to see that: Brad Pitt dressed like a girl!!
